First I have some JungŽs on my homepage I have only historic side on my homepage (se belown=my ancestors)in germany about the area from Enkenbach and Alsenborn. Any way if you click on the homepage of VG Enkenbach-Alsenborn (se belown=homepage for VG E-A) you can find more history about that area. vhartman@algonet.se www.algonet.se/~vhartman/index1.htm (my ancestors) http://members.aol.com/vgea/historie/index.html (homepage for VG Enkenbach-Alsenborn) SOLA FIDE, QUOD DEUS BENE VERAT ----- Original Message ----- From: Fritz H. Friederich <friederich@surfside.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] History of the Pfalz > Michelle, is that near Sargenroth? Because I have Jungs from that area. > Fritz H. Friederich > -----Original Message----- > From: Michelle Nardone <kitkat1@ptdprolog.net> > To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:38 AM > Subject: [PFALZ] History of the Pfalz > > > >I have been researching my mothers' family of JUNGS, who were born in the > Pfalz area in the town of Dörrmoschel. I recently ordered the Church > Records (Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirch Dörrmoschel-BA. Rockenhausen) through > the Family History center and have had great success. I plan on ordering > the films for the Church from Rathskirchen also. The Old German Script was > very hard to decipher, but I have been able to determine many of the words > with some luck. > > > >My question pertains to the history of this area and some words I would > like to confirm the meaning of. I came across the word, which I think is > spelled Schmeidermeister, can someone confirm that this means a Master > Blacksmith? I also came across the word gütsbesitzer, and have found in the > German dictionary that it means Landowner? I also found many towns in this > area with the ending of Hof - Spreiterhof, Felsbergerhof etc. would these > (Hof) towns be small farming communities, maybe named after the major > Landowner or Manor House in the area? > > > >This leads to my final question being, does anyone have a particular name > of a book or website that deals specifically with the history of this region > especially during the late1700's to early 1800's? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Michelle Nardone > >kitkat1@ptdprolog.net > > > > > > > > > > > >

If you take a look on my homepage you will find some Raquet, maybe you find a connection, in that case pse inform me. Happy hunting Jürgen Hartmann -Sweden- vhartman@algonet.se www.algonet.se/~vhartman/index1.htm (my ancestors) http://members.aol.com/vgea/historie/index.html (homepage for VG Enkenbach-Alsenborn) SOLA FIDE, QUOD DEUS BENE VERAT

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I wanted to thank everyone that sent a reply to me on the history of the Pfalz. All the replies were very interesting. I do not read German, but I wish I was able to, since there are many histories of the Pfalz printed in German. Unfortunately I studied Spanish in school. Michelle Nardone kitkat1@ptdprolog.net

Hello To those wanting history of the Pfalz. Go to "rootsweb" and search the archives of this and the other Germans lists. It is also possible to use a search engine , on the Internet, to obtain the desired information. John

I have just come across a line on my father's side of the family which stems from the area surrounding Frankenthal near Mannheim. This line includes the following: Konrad Kling (b. approx 1900), son of Jakob Kling and Barbara Raquet Jakob Kling is the son of Jakob Kling and Elisabetha Ahl (Roxheim Ch. June 1845) Barbara Raquet (Lambsheim - b. May 1868), daughter of Mathias Raquet (Dirmstein - b. June, 1834) and Elisabetha Hess Mathias Raquet is the son of Johannes Raquet and Elisabetha Grafenberger Elisabetha Ahl is that daughter of Peter Ahl and Elisa Trapp Any and all information is much appreciated. Elsa Kahler

Michelle, is that near Sargenroth? Because I have Jungs from that area. Fritz H. Friederich -----Original Message----- From: Michelle Nardone <kitkat1@ptdprolog.net> To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 10:38 AM Subject: [PFALZ] History of the Pfalz >I have been researching my mothers' family of JUNGS, who were born in the Pfalz area in the town of Dِrrmoschel. I recently ordered the Church Records (Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirch Dِrrmoschel-BA. Rockenhausen) through the Family History center and have had great success. I plan on ordering the films for the Church from Rathskirchen also. The Old German Script was very hard to decipher, but I have been able to determine many of the words with some luck. > >My question pertains to the history of this area and some words I would like to confirm the meaning of. I came across the word, which I think is spelled Schmeidermeister, can someone confirm that this means a Master Blacksmith? I also came across the word gütsbesitzer, and have found in the German dictionary that it means Landowner? I also found many towns in this area with the ending of Hof - Spreiterhof, Felsbergerhof etc. would these (Hof) towns be small farming communities, maybe named after the major Landowner or Manor House in the area? > >This leads to my final question being, does anyone have a particular name of a book or website that deals specifically with the history of this region especially during the late1700's to early 1800's? > >Thanks, > >Michelle Nardone >kitkat1@ptdprolog.net > > > > >

Michelle Nardone inquired about histories or the Pfalz in the late 18th and early 19th centuries. I know of no histories of the Pfalz published in English although there may be in German. Others might know better than I. There are several specialized books on church history or the intellectual ferment of the 1848 revolution. How- ever to begin with I suggest a good history of the French military campaigns in the late 18th century to set the stage and then two general histories of Germany: The long 19th century: a history of Germany, 1780-1918 by David Blackbourne, and The history of Germany since 1789. by Golo Mann translated from the German by Marian Jackson. One or the other ought to be available in a local library. I have not checked to see if they can be bought. Rob Hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman Professor and Director of Graduate Studies Department of Biology Boston University 5 Cummington Street Boston, Massachusetts 02215 Phone: 617 353-2470 Fax: 617 353-6340

I have been researching my mothers' family of JUNGS, who were born in the Pfalz area in the town of Dörrmoschel. I recently ordered the Church Records (Evangelisch-Reformierte Kirch Dörrmoschel-BA. Rockenhausen) through the Family History center and have had great success. I plan on ordering the films for the Church from Rathskirchen also. The Old German Script was very hard to decipher, but I have been able to determine many of the words with some luck. My question pertains to the history of this area and some words I would like to confirm the meaning of. I came across the word, which I think is spelled Schmeidermeister, can someone confirm that this means a Master Blacksmith? I also came across the word gütsbesitzer, and have found in the German dictionary that it means Landowner? I also found many towns in this area with the ending of Hof - Spreiterhof, Felsbergerhof etc. would these (Hof) towns be small farming communities, maybe named after the major Landowner or Manor House in the area? This leads to my final question being, does anyone have a particular name of a book or website that deals specifically with the history of this region especially during the late1700's to early 1800's? Thanks, Michelle Nardone kitkat1@ptdprolog.net

Thanks to everyone that sent me information on visiting and staying in a German small town. Denzil Klippel

Many of the towns within 5 to 10 miles will have hotels. Ingelheim, Alzey, Bingen, etc. We have visited the area twice. Haven't stayed in the towns I listed, but have stayed in others. Mainz is also nearby. We have stayed in Osterrich, Nierstten and Oppenheim. You definitly need a car or some one to hall you around. Little to no public transportation between the small towns. Check Michelin Red Book for hotel listing and prices. Ralph K. ----- Original Message ----- From: bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] No Hotel In Ober Hilbersheim > DENZILKLIP@aol.com wrote: > > > > I will be visiting Ober Hilbersheim (Population 960) the birthplace of my gg > > grandfather later this month and there is no hotel. Friends will try to find > > me a place to stay with a family and asked what price is OK per night. I have > > no idea what to tell them. Can anyone give me some advice. I don't know if > > this will include meals or not. Do you think there are places to eat out > > there? > > > > Ober Hilbersheim appears to be a very small town. You will probably > have to have a car to get there. You should find hotels in Bingen or > Bad Kreuznach or Mainz. > > If people do take in guests, ie Bed and Breakfast, then you will > probably be served breakfast as you will be in hotels. There might be a > snack bar for lunch. > > Do a search for Rheinland-Pfalz Tourism or German Tourism. There will > probably be a link to hotel diectory for the area. Or look at the > station in the twon you descide to stay in. > > bob gillis > >

Hello to all, Hoping someone can help me with information on: Jacob Blauth born 1810 in Kaiserslautern marrried Anna Mary born 1808 (? maiden name) second marriage Catherine Oehl born 1820 ? Children: Elizabeth 1840 born ottenberg Jacob 1843 Kaiserslautern David 1830 Baden Emma 1846 somewhere in Germany Anna Mary born 1855 in Trenton NJ usa anyone with information please contact me at: Chickadee2@aol.com CHICKADEE2@AOL.COM researching: BEGLEY, BUHOFER,BALL,BLAUTH, BRASSINGTON, BLOOD,CHRIST,CHRISTEN, CLAY,COXON, COATES,CARTLIDGE,CARTWRIGHT,DUNCAN,ELDER,FINK,FOSKETT,HUBLER,HOUSELMANN,HENZI, LIEM,LALOR, MALLOY, MOLLET,MARTI,MULLER,MAGLIN,MILLS,PERNA,PIERSON, RUFER,STUBER,SCHUMACHER,SPAHR,SANER,SCHMIDT,SMITH,SCHINDLER,STERCHI,WILLIAMSON ,YOUNG,ZURCHER.

DENZILKLIP@aol.com wrote: > > I will be visiting Ober Hilbersheim (Population 960) the birthplace of my gg > grandfather later this month and there is no hotel. Friends will try to find > me a place to stay with a family and asked what price is OK per night. I have > no idea what to tell them. Can anyone give me some advice. I don't know if > this will include meals or not. Do you think there are places to eat out > there? > Ober Hilbersheim appears to be a very small town. You will probably have to have a car to get there. You should find hotels in Bingen or Bad Kreuznach or Mainz. If people do take in guests, ie Bed and Breakfast, then you will probably be served breakfast as you will be in hotels. There might be a snack bar for lunch. Do a search for Rheinland-Pfalz Tourism or German Tourism. There will probably be a link to hotel diectory for the area. Or look at the station in the twon you descide to stay in. bob gillis

Hello List, I am wondering if someone on this list could point me in the correct direction.. I know that my relative MELKUS was living in Germany, Otterberg near Kaiserslautern from 1800-1870 or so... I do not know what year he emigrated into Germany from another European (I assume ) country... Would the Germans have a list of such people... ? What would the name of this record book be called ? ( It is possible he came as a member of an army...) Thanks for any ideas you have and will share with me... Margaret in Maryland

I will be visiting Ober Hilbersheim (Population 960) the birthplace of my gg grandfather later this month and there is no hotel. Friends will try to find me a place to stay with a family and asked what price is OK per night. I have no idea what to tell them. Can anyone give me some advice. I don't know if this will include meals or not. Do you think there are places to eat out there? Denzil Klippel denzilklip@aol.com

If anyone has the Rumbach area Family Registry Vol 1, I would be grateful for a lookup of the WINTER family. Catherine WINTER b.c. 1796 and illegitimate children: Dorothea WINTER born 1816, April 14, Steinalben Jacob WINTER born 1827 She may later have married Joseph SCHLICK MANY THANKS

Hello. Since your know where your relative lived, look at the Court House of the County in which they were living. John

no. Permament alien. W. David Samuelsen "michael d. mahaffey" wrote: > > I believe PA stands for Papers Applied for. Meaning that was his status in > the Naturalization process at that time. JFM. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <JHetterick@aol.com> > To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:50 PM > Subject: [PFALZ] EMIGRATION QUESTION > > > I have found a census of a relative and the citizenship says PA. Is this > the > > state of Pennsyvania? Should I look in PA for his papers and maybe the > ship > > list? > > Thanks, > > Missy Hetterick > > > >

I believe PA stands for Papers Applied for. Meaning that was his status in the Naturalization process at that time. JFM. ----- Original Message ----- From: <JHetterick@aol.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 3:50 PM Subject: [PFALZ] EMIGRATION QUESTION > I have found a census of a relative and the citizenship says PA. Is this the > state of Pennsyvania? Should I look in PA for his papers and maybe the ship > list? > Thanks, > Missy Hetterick > >

Perhaps a native German speaker has already answered question in private, but if not, here's my two cents. My German-English dictionary translates Pedell as "caretaker". Duden's Rechtschreibung offers further information, in German, which I translate as follows: Pedell: mostly Austrian. Archaic for: Caretaker of a school or college. Unfortunately, neither my dictionaries nor my Duden's have an entry for Ortspedell. This is just a random guess then, but perhaps then Ortspedell meant "local caretaker", e.g. the person who maintained the local public buildings. By the way, the dictionary also translates Pedell as "beadle" and "porter". And just so you don't have to look it up if you don't know it, (I didn't) a beadle is defined as a minor official in the Church of England responsible for keeping order. Somehow this last definition seems a little far afield to say the least. Hope someone has better info, but if not, well, there you have it. Cheers, MJLL -----Original Message----- From: Lutzem@aol.com [mailto:Lutzem@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2000 7:44 PM To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PFALZ] Ortspedell An ancestor's occupation between 1771 and 1815 is listed as a farmer but after this occupation is the word, Ortspedell. The two are written as follows: "Ackersmann/Ortspedell." Orts means place and pedell means servant. What would have been expected of this person in the late 1770s? During the same time period, another man connected to my ancestry has Schuhmacher/Pedell after his name which would translate as shoemaker/ servant. What is the difference between an Ortspedell and just Pedell in terms of responsibility? Thank you for any assistance. EM Lutz