Does this mean anything to anyone? I just got copies of naturalization records for several of my German ancestors. For the letter of intent for one of them (1880's) it says---Renounce: Ethe Barerin. For the final papers it says : Baron of Bavaria. Is that the same thing? Thanks __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

Hi All,.. Thank you all for all the help. Frankenthal does seem like the stronger possibility, in 1627 wasn't the east side of The Rhine part of Pfalz? Would it have included Darmstadt?...... The family name I am inquiring about is BECHTEL. Georg BECHTEL from Eppstein to Edigheim in 1627, then to Oppau in 1681, This is an excerpt from a book about the history of Oppau. This Georg's gr'dau or gr'gr'dau married my gr'gr'gr'gr'grandfa. Isaac Hoffmann in Oppau in 1779, Their gr'dau Rosina Hoffman came to America in 1837 & she married Jerome ERB. Jerome ERB was born in Germany in 1816, I have not been able to locate an area in Germany for him. The ERB who came over in early 1700's were from Alsace, but I am not sure about mine. I need a lot of help on thiis. Any suggestions would be gratefully accepted.... Elaine ERB McBride

Hi Billie: I have checked my Ahnentafel and could not find the names you are looking for. Have you tried Vetter. The German "V" is sounded as an English "F" and could be a possibility. As mentioned in the msg to Elaine the LDS IDI and the churches in Frankenthal have a wealth of information. Any other research tools I discover in September I will share. Elsa

Hi Elaine, I agree that the Eppstein you are looking for is the one near Frankenthal. I have it on a map that I located through Shtetleseeker on the "Jewish Genweb" site which is marvellous for locating obscure German villages. Eppstein is right next to Flomersheim which is where my father's birth father lived. An excellent research tool for me was the LDS IGI at familysearch.org. Extensive records were filmed at the catholic and protestant churches in the area. The Catholic church is Sankt Dreifaltigkeit in Frankenthal and, from what I have seen of the records, it appeared that a large number of the population of surrounding villages utilized the services of this church. Since receiving my Ahnentafel, I have gone back to the IGI and have found most of my ancestors listed. From the extensive records I received, I am assuming (perhaps wrongly so) that there must be a fairly active genealogical society in the area. My newly-found reltive has gone on vacation until September, but I will correspond with her in an attempt to find out about research in the area. I will share what I find out with the List. Elsa

Hello Elain, There are two Eppstein in the German Zip-Code book 1. 65817 Eppstein, Taunus (near Frankfurt am Main) and 2. Eppstein now-a-days part of 67227 Frankenthal, Pfalz, which is probably the one you are looking for. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elaine McBride <eemb145@webtv.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 4:28 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Need Help > I have just learned that my Ancestor moved to Edigheim (now in > Ludwigshafen) in the year 1627 from a place called "Eppstein". I am > trying to locate " Eppstein " It is not on my map. Thanks for any & all > help. Elaine Erb McBride > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

I have just learned that my Ancestor moved to Edigheim (now in Ludwigshafen) in the year 1627 from a place called "Eppstein". I am trying to locate " Eppstein " It is not on my map. Thanks for any & all help. Elaine Erb McBride

Hello All! I have run across a few more family names -- any of these familiar?? ANDREAS, FISCHER, GEIER, MISTLER, GELLER/GOELLER, GERLACH, ZEH, BEMON, KELSCH These are mostly, if not all, from the area around the town of Trulben, south of Pirmasens. I found them out with the help of a German friend who is a genealogist. We have the family back to approximately 1691 now! Let me know if any ring a bell. Chuck Schwartz

Looking for anyone with information about a Joseph Christian Vatter (with I think 2 dots over the a) and his wife Maria. Believed they had at least two children, Jacob born 1759 near Frankenthal and Anna Clarissa also born in Germany. Came to the US in 1775 aboard the King of Prussia. The last name was anglicised to Fether then Feather. It could have been Fetter in Germany. I have Jacob's desendants once he got here. I am looking for his ancestors and any other relations in Germany. Billie Lovett GGGgd of Jacob

First time asking for information. I would like to know where in Stuttgart or who I can contact for information about grandparents. I also looking for grandparents in schaffhausen Switzerland places or people to find information My name is nancy e-mail address is nancri@aol.com thank yopu

Hello Maudean, I have a friend named Thoma. He is Schwabian, living in a valley south of Stuttgart on the east side of the Black Forest. I believe he told me his family has lived in that valley for many generations. If you want more, I can ask what he knows. Hal Stitt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Maudean" <tigersmom@jps.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 07 July, 2000 6:32 PM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] EBERLE > Marian my Mary Josepha Thoma was born in 1844 and died in 1900. You are the > first one I have heard from that had the name Thoma. One branch of the > family say she was French and the other branch say Swiss. Sounds German to > me though. Also my Eberle's ,some say were from Bavaria and some just say > Black Forest Area. > > Maudean > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Marian Dietrich <myrnnch@prodigy.net> > To: Maudean <tigersmom@jps.net> > Cc: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 7:27 AM > Subject: Re: [PFALZ] EBERLE > > > > Nadine, > > My great grandmother's maiden name was also Thoma. Adelheid Thoma was > > born in 1814 in Pfaffenhausen, Bavaria, Germany and married my great > > grandfather, John George Huber, in 1841 in Oberrieden, Bavaria, > > Germany. They came to the US in 1854 with four children and settled in > > Cincinnati. Don't know if this has any connection to your Mary Josepha > > Thoma as they would have been a generation before her. > > Marian Huber Dietrich > > > > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

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Absolutely must share my amazing stroke of luck with this list that I have patiently been following for about a month. Hopefully, it will spell HOPE for others. Starting with an "Ahnennachweis", I concentrated most of my search to date on my mother's side in another part of Germany, when I hit a slight impasse. Decided to check out my Dad's roots in the Frankenthal area, particularly the birth father whom he never knew. On a wild gamble and a prayer that I would not meet with rebuff from a family who did not know of our existence, I called one of the handful of Kling's listed in the phone directory there. I picked this gentleman because he was a school "Rektor" and I felt that such a person might have some tolerance for genealogy. I reached his wife who informed me that he had died 12 years ago, BUT he had a tremendous interest in genealogy and had compiled a fairly extensive "Ahnentafel". WELL, sure enough we were related. His GG grandfather was my GGGgrandfather!!!! I have just received a copy of the Ahnentafel which goes back to the late 1600's and I am THRILLED OUT OF MY MIND. All of these people lived right around the same little area in small towns and villages circling Frankenthal. If any of you have any connection with the following names in the same area, please contact me: Kling ( also Kleng, Klengin), Mersinger (also Merssinger, Mercinier) Peter, Eichinger, Siegel, Schardon, Fruth, Adrian, Fries, Bersch, Ungefehr, Christmann, Wippel, Baumgartner, Schubach, Boxheimer, Storzum, Fouquet Elsa Kahler

Marian my Mary Josepha Thoma was born in 1844 and died in 1900. You are the first one I have heard from that had the name Thoma. One branch of the family say she was French and the other branch say Swiss. Sounds German to me though. Also my Eberle's ,some say were from Bavaria and some just say Black Forest Area. Maudean ----- Original Message ----- From: Marian Dietrich <myrnnch@prodigy.net> To: Maudean <tigersmom@jps.net> Cc: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 7:27 AM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] EBERLE > Nadine, > My great grandmother's maiden name was also Thoma. Adelheid Thoma was > born in 1814 in Pfaffenhausen, Bavaria, Germany and married my great > grandfather, John George Huber, in 1841 in Oberrieden, Bavaria, > Germany. They came to the US in 1854 with four children and settled in > Cincinnati. Don't know if this has any connection to your Mary Josepha > Thoma as they would have been a generation before her. > Marian Huber Dietrich > >

Helen and others going to travel to Europe. Don't leave questions like this to the last minute. Start researching months in advance. Get a good German map. Look up your towns and see where they are located. For Gimbsheim, Frankfort seems to be a good base. For visiting other places take the train. They go almost everywhere. Go to http://mercurio.iet.unipi.it/home.html which has a link to Deutsches Bundesbahn where you can get schedules. If you live near NYC visit the German Tourist Bureau in the Chanin Blg at 42nd and Lexington. do a search on Rheinland-Pfalz. Look at getting a German Railpass as it usually saves money and much more convenient. If possible take the boat from Mainz down to Koblenz. Eurrail pass is good and maybe GRP. Send a message to geo@genealogy.net of Gimbsheim. It will show you the district etc. it is located in. bob gillis HKO26426@aol.com wrote: > > My 2 sisters, a cousin, and I, are traveling to Gimbsheim, 12 July, for 2 > weeks to visit the area of our Kimmel ancestors. We have tried, in vain, to > contact the town historian and other Gimbsheim residents. Anyone out there > ever been to Gimbsheim ? We would appreciate any information or advice from > all who have traveled in Germany. We are flying into Frankfurt and renting a > car to drive to Gimbsheim. We are hoping to visit other areas of Germany as > well--as long as we have money for gasoline! My cousin speaks fluent German > which will be a big plus!! Thanks, Helen Kimmel Orndorff >

Hello, There is no location called Zwillinge. Zwillinge means twins. You should perhaps examine your text once more. Regards Ernst Dierich ----- Original Message ----- From: Krystyna Podraza <Podraza@Princeton.EDU> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 8:30 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Where is Zwiilinge > My ancestors left a village called Zwillinge, Germany, in 1732. Does anyone out there know where this place is or was? > Gene Podraza

Nadine, My great grandmother's maiden name was also Thoma. Adelheid Thoma was born in 1814 in Pfaffenhausen, Bavaria, Germany and married my great grandfather, John George Huber, in 1841 in Oberrieden, Bavaria, Germany. They came to the US in 1854 with four children and settled in Cincinnati. Don't know if this has any connection to your Mary Josepha Thoma as they would have been a generation before her. Marian Huber Dietrich

In a message dated 07/06/2000 4:28:32 PM Central Daylight Time, Podraza@Princeton.EDU writes: << My ancestors left a village called Zwillinge, Germany, in 1732. Does anyone out there know where this place is or was? Gene Podraza >> If you get a response to your inquiry would you please let me know? Zwilling is one of the names in my ancestry that I am searching. My research has it that they were from the Boheim area of Germany. I would like to know if there is a village or town called Zwillinge in the Boheim area. Thank you. Cindy

Thanks to all who so generously helped me decode this word. It is appreciated. Martha

Hello Martha, if I would have a guess I would interpret the "Kingright Byrun" as "Koenigreich Bayern" which in fact could be phonetically understood and spelled as your "Kin..." . The birth place of Andreas Johann Gaab is not indicated. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: The Engelbachs <jme240@inav.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2000 3:07 PM Subject: [PFALZ] "Kingright" > I have a death certificate for Andrew John Gaab (1830-1902) that lists his place of birth as > "Kingright Byrun". > > I am assuming the "Byrun" is Bayern/Bavaria and the "Right" is Reich. > > Could some kind soul please help me de-code the name of this town and where it is located in the Pfalz? > > In Appreciation, > Martha > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

My ancestors left a village called Zwillinge, Germany, in 1732. Does anyone out there know where this place is or was? Gene Podraza