--- LarkLine@aol.com wrote: > From: LarkLine@aol.com > Date: Wed, 2 Aug 2000 20:32:17 EDT > Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Old German naming patterns > To: rmuerer@yahoo.com > > Reading comments on the German naming pattern > reminds me that the usual > middle name Johann LEONHARDT Kirchstetter, is, in > German, the RUFNAMEN, > meaning the "called name" rufen = to call and Namen > = name. His neighbors > called him Leonard, but some records, especially > those done by English tax > collectors (in 18th century PA), come out as JOHN. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Deothoricus is not Latin for Theodore. Deothoricus is a form of Theodoricus, that is the "Latinized" form of Germanic *Theodarikaz (Gothic Thiudareiks, Old High German Diotrih, Old English Theodric) > German Dietrich English Derrick, Dirk, French Thierry, etc Joao SL ----- Original Message ----- From: W. David Samuelsen <dsam@sampubco.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2000 1:44 AM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Question > Dietrich is sometimes Richard. Derrick > > never David because it is one of common German given names. > > Deothoricus is Latin for Theodore. > > W. David Samuelsen > > "Sarah J. Adams" wrote: > > > > Hello one and all, > > > > Since we are on names I do however have one question. I have a hunch that I > > may be on the right path but I want feedback to make sure I have it down > > pat. > > > > I have come across the name Deothoricus in the Otterstadt Church records > > from LDS. Prior to this entry there is a Theodore Lemmerich and shortly > > after the Deothoricus. I am suspecting that Deothoricus is the Latin form of > > Theodore. Am I on the right track? > > > > Second question: Is Dietrich a form of David, Theodore and a separte name on > > its own? > > > > Thank you in advance for any insight. It is appreciated. > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Sarah Adams > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

Hello. I don't have any firm answers but just some other things to consider. I believe the most common Latinizations of Theodore (which comes from the Greek for "gift of God") are things like Deodarus or Theodorus/Teodorus. So, your scribe *may* have meant Theodore and either misspelled its Latin form or used a different Latinization. However, there is another name in German that you should consider. It's similar to Theodore though not related to it in origin, namely Theodoric. Perhaps the scribe meant Theodoricus, a straightforward Latinization of Theodoric, and wrote Deothoricus instead. Dietrich *is* a form of Theodoric. I have not seen it used as a form of David or Theodore, but that doesn't mean it wasn't used in that way. -----Original Message----- From: Sarah J. Adams [mailto:ladyaedin@prodigy.net] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 10:49 PM To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PFALZ] Question Hello one and all, Since we are on names I do however have one question. I have a hunch that I may be on the right path but I want feedback to make sure I have it down pat. I have come across the name Deothoricus in the Otterstadt Church records from LDS. Prior to this entry there is a Theodore Lemmerich and shortly after the Deothoricus. I am suspecting that Deothoricus is the Latin form of Theodore. Am I on the right track? Second question: Is Dietrich a form of David, Theodore and a separte name on its own? Thank you in advance for any insight. It is appreciated. Sincerely, Sarah Adams

Dietrich is sometimes Richard. Derrick never David because it is one of common German given names. Deothoricus is Latin for Theodore. W. David Samuelsen "Sarah J. Adams" wrote: > > Hello one and all, > > Since we are on names I do however have one question. I have a hunch that I > may be on the right path but I want feedback to make sure I have it down > pat. > > I have come across the name Deothoricus in the Otterstadt Church records > from LDS. Prior to this entry there is a Theodore Lemmerich and shortly > after the Deothoricus. I am suspecting that Deothoricus is the Latin form of > Theodore. Am I on the right track? > > Second question: Is Dietrich a form of David, Theodore and a separte name on > its own? > > Thank you in advance for any insight. It is appreciated. > > Sincerely, > > Sarah Adams

Hello one and all, Since we are on names I do however have one question. I have a hunch that I may be on the right path but I want feedback to make sure I have it down pat. I have come across the name Deothoricus in the Otterstadt Church records from LDS. Prior to this entry there is a Theodore Lemmerich and shortly after the Deothoricus. I am suspecting that Deothoricus is the Latin form of Theodore. Am I on the right track? Second question: Is Dietrich a form of David, Theodore and a separte name on its own? Thank you in advance for any insight. It is appreciated. Sincerely, Sarah Adams -----Original Message----- From: Lowell Kuntz <jlkuntz@fuse.net> To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 3:11 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Chateau WEGELNBURG Hi Listers, Could someone point me in the direction of information about Chateau Wegelnburg, now a ruin. I am interested in historical info about it and if there are any records that may have survived it dating from 1500-1700. It is located in the Pfalz near the border with France. The nearest village to it that I see on my map is Schönau. Other villages in the vicinity are Northweiler, Dahn, Rumbach and Niederschlettenbach. I have used several search engines but have only retrieved hotel and hiking info. Thanks Lowell Kuntz ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe

Is there a " HESSE-D Digest" available to join? Or would the Darmstadt Area Queries go through this Message Board' Elaine in Chester Co. Pa.

Family History Center has these on microfilm. I have Weidenkopf there.

Have you checked on; http://www.familysearch.org? E-mail for Speyer Catholic archives is; bistumsarchiv@bistum-speyer.de. Person in charge is; Mrs. Hiltrud Mitsching, & she is proficient in the English language. Ray __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Hi Listers, Could someone point me in the direction of information about Chateau Wegelnburg, now a ruin. I am interested in historical info about it and if there are any records that may have survived it dating from 1500-1700. It is located in the Pfalz near the border with France. The nearest village to it that I see on my map is Schönau. Other villages in the vicinity are Northweiler, Dahn, Rumbach and Niederschlettenbach. I have used several search engines but have only retrieved hotel and hiking info. Thanks Lowell Kuntz

Dear Bonita, Dot, Myrt and list: I have just returned from Europe and had a wonderful time visiting all of my KLIPPEL "Cousins." About my visit to the archives in Gau Algesheim. Fru. Fritzen and Herr. Hinckel were just wonderful!!! I got ALL of the information on my family! They had everything. I had gotten all of the names I was researching from the Herr. Heiko Schmuck at the Church in Ober-Hilberheim. My g-grandfather was one of the 22 children of Johann KLIPPEL who had married four times. The church gave me everything on the family and I took it to the archives in Gau Algesheim on the day of my appointment, they said it would take a day or two to make photo copies since there was so much to look up. I went back on Monday and they had everything and since I found a few more names over the weekend I gave these to them and they looked them up right then and there. When I asked how much the cost would be they said nothing since I was a friend of Dieter Linck the Mayor of Ober-Hilbersheim. I then went to the Church in Groß Winternheim to get the records on Johann KLIPPEL since he was born there and moved to Ober-Hilbersheim in 1802 to open a Bakery. Herr. Weber met me at the time of our appointment and I told him what I wanted. He said he would give me ALL of the KLIPPEL records back to 1650! I almost fell over. He spent the next four hours taking photo copies of all of the church books from 1800 back to 1650 where the name KLIPPEL appeared. When he was finished there was a stack of paper four inches thick. I asked how much and he said what ever I wanted to give so I gave him 20DM ($10.00) and he thanked me and we said good by. I was told later by Dieter that this amount was fine and not feel it wasn't enough. I mailed all of the documents home at a cost of 64DM ($32.00) since I did not want to carry all of that paper around Europe for the next five weeks. I now have my KLIPPEL family line back to 1650 when the first KLIPPEL arrived in Bubenheim, up to the present date in Ober-Hilbersheim, since there are still KLIPPELs in the village who are my cousins, and my bloodline to my grandchildren. The only thing I am missing is the ship the three KLIPPEL brothers and four sisters came to the New World on, and my cousin Helmut KLIPPEL in Hamburg has an appointment at the archives to do the lookups for me. The machines were all in use when I was there with Helmut, and we were told they would not be available until that date. I was a lucky man -- all of the leg work before hand opened all of the doors, and it pays to have friends in high places (the Mayor of Ober-Hilbersheim), and loving cousins like Helmut and his family. Also Dear MYRTLE gave me some wonderful advice before I left. Oh, yes the books and new US $ coin that were suggested by people on the PFALZ and HESSE lists went over great. Denzil~ -------------------------------- End of PFALZ-D Digest V00 Issue #261 ************************************ From root@lists6.rootsweb.com Thu Aug 3 11:53:24 2000 Return-Path: <root@lists6.rootsweb.com> Received: from lists6.rootsweb.com (lists6.rootsweb.com [63.92.80.125]) by listsearches.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) with ESMTP id e73IrOS01512 for <indexer@listsearches.rootsweb.com>; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:53:24 -0700 Received: (from root@localhost) by lists6.rootsweb.com (8.10.1/8.10.1) id e73IrMZ24924 for indexer@listsearches; Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:53:22 -0700 Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 11:53:22 -0700 Message-Id: <200008031853.e73IrMZ24924@lists6.rootsweb.com> From: PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com Subject: PFALZ-D Digest V00 #261 X-Loop: PFALZ-D@rootsweb.com X-Mailing-List: <PFALZ-D@rootsweb.com> archive/volume00/261 Precedence: list MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/digest; boundary="----------------------------" To: PFALZ-D@rootsweb.com Reply-To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com ------------------------------ Content-Type: text/plain PFALZ-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 261 Today's Topics: #1 [PFALZ] FINK-Oggersheim (Frankenth [George Ferguson <gtferguson@mindsp] #2 [PFALZ] Chateau WEGELNBURG [Lowell Kuntz <jlkuntz@fuse.net>] #3 [PFALZ] Frankenthal Catholic recor [Ray-Linda Meurer <rmuerer@yahoo.co] #4 [PFALZ] My Research in Germany [DENZILKLIP@aol.com] Administrivia: Subscriber, Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal To unsubscribe from PFALZ-D, send a message to PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com Going on Vacation 4 days or leaving the list? send your message to Trier-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) mailto:Pfalz-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe

Hello,Listers; I am trying to locate Catholic Church archive info for researching Frankenthal area-can anyone help with that? Researching Valentin Fink,& children Gabriel Fink b.1806; Peter Fink b.1827 from that area. Also-George Wirth. Any similar research by anyone? Thanks. George

Well, thank you, Al, This is good! My little ancestral village is still there! Your description fits the map Burgert had in her book on the western Palatinate to include the number 420 highway. This is the right village. One of my ancestors married a girl from Rathsweiler and they went from Erzweiler to Ulmet to the "field church" to have their children baptized. Yes, the LDS libraries, aka Family History Centers, do have the church records, which I have reviewed on two occasions. The Thirty Years' Wars appears to have decimated some records during that time period because the Ulmet records begin in 1639. I have the "Palatine Church Visitation, 1609" Deanery of Kusel, translated by Ricardo W. Staadt, so there is that 30 year gap in the records. This book covers Protestant Parochial visitations. So, all I need now is someone who is in the area to take a picture of Erzweiler for me. Any takers? In appreciation for all those who have been so helpful, I will lookup names in the 1609 Palatine Visitations book. Contact me personally, please, if you choose to do this. Cheerful regards, Colleen ----- Original Message ----- From: Alfred J. Spiry SR. To: rpgillis@bellatlantic.net ;cme332@earthlink.net Cc: aspiryfam@fuse.net Sent: 8/1/2001 9:06:33 PM Subject: Re: [PF-L] Village of Erzweiler, Rheinland Pfalz Hello Colleen Bob: Unfortunately Bob is correct in that there is a village called Elsweiler. HOWEVER, the village of Erzweiler still exists and is located in the Rheinland Pfalz state. It lies north of Kaiserslautern, on Hwy 420 past Ulmet and Rathsweiler north of which Highway L169 goes NW past Wideralben to Erzweiler. So that both of you can locate places in Europe with ease, suggest you go to URL http://www.expediamap.com When it comes up, the very top gives you to get maps. Click on it and the second page gives you two choices. The first is for North America, and just below that you type in Europe, and the name of the town/village you are looking for. Click on the get the map at the lower left hand. The next page comes up with the name of the place you typed in, and a square below that with the various places that are spelled the same as the one you typed in, and others that sound like it. You click on the one in the box that is the same as the one you typed in. Click on the lower left hand button. The last page that comes up will have the map that shows (in this case Erzweiler). To the right of the map is a pyramid of lines with which you can zoom in and out on the map. By playing with it, you can get the proper perspective of the location of the town in relationship to major cities. If either of you have a problem with his let us know and we will talk you through it. We are glad that Colleen now has learned that the village of Erzweiler, is good and well. Suggest she go to the LDS Family Library Center nearest you and have them check to see if they have a microfilm of the church records. Also Colleen, you are right in that the book by Annette K. Burkett Vol. II is really great. We too found a couple of generations of our Spiry line. Regret that too many of the listers are using poor Atlas references which first of all fail to record the small villages, and secondarily lead to imagining what the searched for town could be. Everyone Good Hunting. Al and Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob gillis" rpgillis@bellatlantic.net To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [PF-L] Village of Erzweiler Unfortunately no one replied to the list so I cannot read the replies. I suspect the the village you want is Elzweiler about 7kM ESE of Ulmet. Send a message to geo@genealogy.net Elzweiler You will get location and political info. If it is part of another town today you will be told. bob gillis PS The year on your computer is 2000. Colleen Eagan wrote: Hello to all who responded to my Erzweiler query, Many thanks for your interest. This mailing list has a lot of very nice respondants and I am extemely appreciative of your help and suggestions. It's very possible the little village of Erzweiler has disappeared since my Doll ancestors emigrated in 1737 and 1739. If that proves to be the case, then a photograph is out of the question. I was incorrect in my first message and want to correct the location of Erzweiler. It is northwest of Ulmet or it was when it existed in 1737. In any case, there is documentation for its existence in the records, as well in a very good book "Eighteenth Century Emigrants from German-Speaking Lands to North America, Vol. II: The Western Palatinate," by Annette K. Burgert, [Birdboro, PA: The Penn. German Society, 1985]. For those searching for ancestors who came to the eastern areas of Pennsylvania from the western Palatinate, Germany may find this book a good resource. Burgert's research matches the immigrant's Pennsylvania records to the German records. She took my Doll line back three more generations. Again, thanks to all for your interest and suggestions. Colleen --- Colleen Eagan --- cme332@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html to unsubscribe ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html to unsubscribe --- Colleen Eagan --- cme332@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

David, Would you know by chance if anyone from the area around Veldenz monitors the Trier list ?

Are there any Veldenzer surnames that monitor this list ? would like to contact any Veldenzer's in the Veldenz, Trier and/or Nussbaum area. Have traced ancestors to (VELDENZER) to Nussbaum/Nusbaum and Veldenz area. John Feldenzer

Hello to all who responded to my Erzweiler query, Many thanks for your interest. This mailing list has a lot of very nice respondants and I am extemely appreciative of your help and suggestions. It's very possible the little village of Erzweiler has disappeared since my Doll ancestors emigrated in 1737 and 1739. If that proves to be the case, then a photograph is out of the question. I was incorrect in my first message and want to correct the location of Erzweiler. It is northwest of Ulmet or it was when it existed in 1737. In any case, there is documentation for its existence in the records, as well in a very good book "Eighteenth Century Emigrants from German-Speaking Lands to North America, Vol. II: The Western Palatinate," by Annette K. Burgert, [Birdboro, PA: The Penn. German Society, 1985]. For those searching for ancestors who came to the eastern areas of Pennsylvania from the western Palatinate, Germany may find this book a good resource. Burgert's research matches the immigrant's Pennsylvania records to the German records. She took my Doll line back three more generations. Again, thanks to all for your interest and suggestions. Colleen --- Colleen Eagan --- cme332@earthlink.net --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

Losheim and Trier aren't in Pfalz. They're over in Rheinland/Saarland portion. Subscribe to Trier-Roots-L. And I'm familiar with Losheim as a good number of people there are intermarried with people from Britten and Hausbach. There are a number of subscribers on Trier-Roots-L whose lines include Losheim and Trier. W. David Samuelsen dav-mar@es.co.nz wrote: > > Hi all I'm trying to track my great grandparents families. The > surnames are Thinnes and Leidgen. I'm virtually certain that the > Leidgen's are from Losheim but no living relatives have enough > information to give other than "grandma Leidgen was from > Losheim". If anyone has any information on these families from > around the mid to late 1800's it would be very helpful. > > Thanks > Dave > Dave & Maryanne Pease > Dunedin, New Zealand > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe

I'm located in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. I'm g-g-g-grandson of Maria Christina Christ, from Wahlbach, Huensruck. Joao SL ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary & John Widener <widener@brightok.net> To: João Simões Lopes Filho <jodan99@uol.com.br> Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Re: John > Hi, > Enjoyed your names of John, where are you located? We are in Oklahoma, USA. > My husband is John, he was unaware of some of the names, especially the > Arab, in 1952 he spent a year in Saudi Arabia, but never learned that. > John and Mary Widener > ----- Original Message ----- > From: João Simões Lopes Filho <jodan99@uol.com.br> > To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 9:50 AM > Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Re: John > > > > That's right, JOHANNES (also Johannis) is Latin for John. > > German Johann; English John; French Jean; Italian Giovanni; Spanish Juan; > > Portuguese Joao (my name); Russian Ivan; Hungarian Janos; Arabian Yahya; > > Polish Jan; Lithuanian Jonas, etc > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <smada@webtv.net> > > To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:17 AM > > Subject: [PFALZ] Re: John > > > > > > > I believe Johannes was Latin for Johan. > > > > > > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > > > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to > go) > > > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > ______________________________ >

Hi all I'm trying to track my great grandparents families. The surnames are Thinnes and Leidgen. I'm virtually certain that the Leidgen's are from Losheim but no living relatives have enough information to give other than "grandma Leidgen was from Losheim". If anyone has any information on these families from around the mid to late 1800's it would be very helpful. Thanks Dave Dave & Maryanne Pease Dunedin, New Zealand

couple of weeks ago I read on this or another list, that the John/Anna?maria business was from this - boys were named in honor of John the Baptist, girls in honor or the Virgin MAry or VM,s mother Anna. T Diemer NewOrleans

Dear List, This is my first letter to this list and I will stay on the list just until Thursday eve this week, so if you have any info after that please send it to me privately. My great grandmother, Mary Lander, is said to have been born in about October 1834 in Rheinfalz; she married Christian Wolf from Bavaria probably about 1867, probably in Germany. They were members of the Evangelical Church in August of 1869 in a small town, Mascoutah, IL. Christian was a farmer. Mary, sometimes called Anna, died in 1876 at the age of 41years and 6 months. I do not have much to go on, and thought perhaps someone of you may have these two in your family history. I will be very grateful for your help in finding a record on either of both of these ancestors. Thanks in advance. Darlene Burzynkis