I'm not an historian, but as a resident of Ohio, particularly Cincinnati, I do know that with my city, we were one of the largest cities west of the Alleghanies until after the Civil War when cities such as Chicago and St. Louis began to eclipse us in size. I think Ohio was partly a major stopping point in the 1800's because it was one of the first areas settled after the Revolutionary War, it's easy access by water by both Lake Erie and the Ohio River. After visiting Germany myself, I came to realize too that many Germans settled in this area because it reminded them of home. I ate dinner once at a home on a high hill across from Heidelberg and looking back over to the city itself, I knew that my ancestors saw in our hills both on the banks of the river both in Ohio, Kentucky, and Indiana would easily have reminded them of home. Of course in Cincinnati, the area north of the Miami Canal is still called "Over the Rhine" Just my educated guesses. joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Elsa Kahler" <ekahler@sympatico.ca> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 6:20 AM Subject: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > I too have ancestors that settled in Ohio. Would be very interested in > knowing why? > > Best wishes from Canada > Elsa Kahler > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Hello,Listers; Can anyone tell me what Catholic archdiocese to contact re:Churh records for Waisbadt ? Waisbadt is village approx 10 mi SE of Heidelberg.Thanks. George Ferguson

Lucy: My Lutzes seemed to remain in NYC until Peter LUTZ's second wife died in 1920. Her name was Marie MULLER from Alsace. Then they sold a tenament they owned in Yorkville,the German area in Manhattan, NYC, and scattered. At that time Marie Lutz had 4 grown sons, way over marriage age still living with her as well as a daughter Helen HOFMAN. I believe Marie Muller was a cousin of Elizabeth BOSCH Do you see any likelyhood of a connection? Marie's sons names were Peter Frank John Vincent, Nicholas. Florence

My Pfalz ancestor, Frederick Ertel, b. Kandel in 1816, settled in Indiana. Why? Perhaps they were following the old adage, "Go West, young man!" America had achieved a vast reputation as the land of opportunity as long as one was willing to work. These new immigrants wrote home urging their friends and relatives to join them. Perhaps, you'll find through further research, the connections you seek to Ohio. My Frederick left the SE corner of Indiana in 1860 and moved to Adams County, IL. Again, we wondered why did he move? Only a few years ago after internet contact with other researchers, did I find that many people from his father's hometown of Neuburg am Rheine settled in Adams County. There must have been communication between the immigrants which caused them to want to settle in the same areas. I have not seen them, (couldn't read if I did) but towns with considerable German settlers had newspapers published in German. There was more of a network than we realize. Nan Harvey Jackson, MS ----- Original Message ----- From: Elsa Kahler <ekahler@sympatico.ca> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:20 AM Subject: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > I too have ancestors that settled in Ohio. Would be very interested in > knowing why? > > Best wishes from Canada > Elsa Kahler > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Hi, Does anyone know the address of the Speyer Archive? Do they accept letters in English or German? I am looking for a newspaper clipping on Wohlrad Best done in the 1930s. Janette

I am attempting to find the birth date and death date for Carolus "Karl" Bengel. I have found that he was christened at Roemisch-Katholische in Bad Duerkheim Pfalz, Bayern on July 19, 1815. Hence, he was likely born within the week prior, but I would like to have the exact date. I would also like to know where and on what date he died. Carolus was married to Sara Lauer who was born November 6, 1815. Thanks for any information you can provide. Regards, Robert McFarland rbmlionsb@aol.com

I too have ancestors that settled in Ohio. Would be very interested in knowing why? Best wishes from Canada Elsa Kahler

Can any researcher give me details about why my Oppau ancestors settled in Lawrence Co., OH in 1847? I'm guessing that they arrived in NY, traveled by rivers and canals to Lake Erie and then more rivers and canals to Portsmouth on the Ohio River, but WHY?

Bob, Heinz, Alfred, Paul_ Thanks for the info and map. My family name is Lutz, if I could find them in Bayern,Pfalz and kissing cousins located in Alsace, (Catholic), and someone suggested Kaiserslautern besides Edenkoben and Arzheim I might have a chance. Am I even in the ballpark..Peter Lutz married Elisabethe Bosch c 1860...But Where? Florence

In a message dated 8/6/00 11:40:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, smada@webtv.net writes: << Is/Are the towns of Edenkoben, & Arzheim close to each other and if so is Baden Baden near these Pfalz Bayern. towns ? >> Arzheim is 6.2 miles SSW of Edenkoben. Baden is not within 30 miles per Shtetlseeker. Arzheim is about 1 1/2 hour ride by horse and buggy from Edenkoben. The way your question is phrased reminds me of my search. The 1870 US census said my ancestor was from Baden and I found him in Pfalz. The Pfalz being part of Bayern at the time and the census taker not knowing Bayern was German for Barvaria probably assumed he meant Baden. Bob

Is/Are the towns of Edenkoben, & Arzheim close to each other and if so is Baden Baden near these Pfalz Bayern. towns ?

In a message dated 8/1/2000 6:03:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time, PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: >>Hi all I'm trying to track my great grandparents families. The surnames are Thinnes and Leidgen. I'm virtually certain that the Leidgen's are from Losheim but no living relatives have enough information to give other than "grandma Leidgen was from Losheim". If anyone has any information on these families from around the mid to late 1800's it would be very helpful.<< Dave and Maryanne; I have a Thimmes Family in my ancestral line, also from the Pfalz, but from quite a bit south of Trier. Jacob Thinnes married Anna Maria Bubel in the Pfalz, location and dates unknown. They had a daughter, Anna Maria Thinnes, born aby 1844 in Bliesmengen She died 20 April 1944 in Reinheim, Pfalz, Germany. She married George Zahm, pprobably in Bliesmengen. Jacob and Maria Bubel had another child, Peter Thinnes. He married Anna Maria Kallenbrunnen on 30 Jun 1877 in Reinheim. Anna Maria was born 18 Aug 1854 in Reinheim. I have no birthdate for Peter. This is not much, but perhaps it helps. I certainly hope so. Vincent Falter

Looking for information on Valentin Greim arrived Phil. PA 10/25/1740 on ship "Loyal Judith". Born About 1690 in Unkenbach, Pfalz, Germany. Known sons: Jacob, born abt. 1722 Adam, born abt. 1720 Sebastin, born abt. 1729 Jacob came with his father in 1740. Adam and Sebastin arrived 08/25/1751 on ship "Anderson". Any information would be great. Peter Grimes Hucks

C try Haag or try Haag or Creussen in the Bamberg area of Oberfranken, Bavaria. My three greats grandfather, Simon Fuhrmann was from Haag. His first wife was Elizabeth Hertel from there. His seconsd wife was the widow Margaret Freyberger. His third wife, my ancestor was Elizabeth Mather from Gottlsfeld in Creussen parish, her mother was a Freyberger. There are a lot of Freybergers from the area that settled in Dubois and neighboring southern indiana counties. Hope this helps T Diemer New Orleans On Sat, 5 Aug 2000, Manfred Haertel wrote: > I'm looking for the marriage of David Bixel (or B�chsel or Bichsel) and > Elisabeth Freyburger (or Friburger) before 1772 (possibly in the late > 1760s). > > They appeared (already married) in Dannemarie, Alsace, France in the > early 1770s where they had several children. It seems that informations > about the origin of this couple can not be found in the Alsace. > > According to the current state of my research, David seems to be born in > 1732 or 1733, Elisabeth between 1736 and 1740, but most probably around > 1740. > > I have informations that both surnames Bixel and Freyburger appeared in > the Pfalz. At least Bixel seems to be known in the Hassloch area in the > appropriate time frame. > > If anybody knows the marriage or the births of my ancestors or has other > informations for me about this surnames, I would be very happy. > > Best regards > > Manfred H�rtel > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

I'm looking for the marriage of David Bixel (or Büchsel or Bichsel) and Elisabeth Freyburger (or Friburger) before 1772 (possibly in the late 1760s). They appeared (already married) in Dannemarie, Alsace, France in the early 1770s where they had several children. It seems that informations about the origin of this couple can not be found in the Alsace. According to the current state of my research, David seems to be born in 1732 or 1733, Elisabeth between 1736 and 1740, but most probably around 1740. I have informations that both surnames Bixel and Freyburger appeared in the Pfalz. At least Bixel seems to be known in the Hassloch area in the appropriate time frame. If anybody knows the marriage or the births of my ancestors or has other informations for me about this surnames, I would be very happy. Best regards Manfred Härtel

The following information is, admittedly sketchy, and I am on a fishing expedition so I apologize for the lack of specific information. I also apologize for my lack of proper knowledge of German geography. I'm looking for information on the line of a Johann Steffen DIETZ. I don't know when he was born but I'm estimating that it was in the mid 1600's. I do know that he was born in Raubach, Rhineland-Pfalz in the current German state of Neuwied. He had one son that I know of, Wilhelm also born in Raubach but who was in the area of Niederschelden, Westfalen in the current German state of Siegen. The next generation of this line, that I know of, were a Johann Adam DIETZ (1699-1760) and Hermannus DIETZ (1701-?). Both were born in Siegen. I have a total of 8 children listed for Johann Adam DIETZ but only one, Johann Jost DIETZ, that I can track from Germany to America. If this surname and timeframe matches anybody elses I would be extremely interested in hearing from you. Thank you very much. Dereck L. Dietz dietzdl@ameritech.net

Suggestion: click the search engine www.google.com enter Theodoricus and discover: THEODERICH =Theodericus, Diedericus, Deodericus, Teodericus, Dietrich, Dieter, but never David, Richard or ........ Hans ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Eggert" <EggertJ@crosswinds.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 6:01 AM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Question > on 8/3/2000 12:44 AM, W. David Samuelsen at dsam@sampubco.com wrote: > > > Dietrich is sometimes Richard. Derrick > > never David because it is one of common German given names. > > and on 8/3/2000 1:07 AM, Mark Lesmeister at mmeister@houston.rr.com wrote: > > > Dietrich *is* a form of Theodoric. I have not seen it used as a form of > > David or Theodore, but that doesn't mean it wasn't used in that way. > > Well, it all depends. My great-grandfather was baptized (in > Schaumburg-Lippe, not the Pfalz) Heinrich Dietrich Wilhelm Bredthauer in > 1870. After he came to the United States about 1883, he came to be known as > David Henry Bredthauer. > > -- > =Jim Eggert EggertJ@crosswinds.net > > ______________________________

I do not get junk mail from this list. However, when I had a Secret Pal on a swap with a friend, I had overabundance of junk mail on microsoft's Hotmail. It was a mess. Good Luck. JJ PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > PFALZ-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 263 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [PFALZ] Question [Jim Eggert <EggertJ@crosswinds.net] > #2 [PFALZ] Re: PFALZ-D Digest V00 #24 [fulwyler <fulwyler@one.net>] > > Administrivia: > Subscriber, > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal > > To unsubscribe from PFALZ-D, send a message to > PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com > Going on Vacation 4 days or leaving the list? > send your message to Trier-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com > (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Question > Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:01:07 -0400 > From: Jim Eggert <EggertJ@crosswinds.net> > To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com > > on 8/3/2000 12:44 AM, W. David Samuelsen at dsam@sampubco.com wrote: > > > Dietrich is sometimes Richard. Derrick > > never David because it is one of common German given names. > > and on 8/3/2000 1:07 AM, Mark Lesmeister at mmeister@houston.rr.com wrote: > > > Dietrich *is* a form of Theodoric. I have not seen it used as a form of > > David or Theodore, but that doesn't mean it wasn't used in that way. > > Well, it all depends. My great-grandfather was baptized (in > Schaumburg-Lippe, not the Pfalz) Heinrich Dietrich Wilhelm Bredthauer in > 1870. After he came to the United States about 1883, he came to be known as > David Henry Bredthauer. > > -- > =Jim Eggert EggertJ@crosswinds.net > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [PFALZ] Re: PFALZ-D Digest V00 #243 > Date: Fri, 4 Aug 2000 11:33:58 -0400 > From: fulwyler <fulwyler@one.net> > To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com > > negative on junk mail > > PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > > Subject: > > > > PFALZ-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 243 > > > > Today's Topics: > > #1 [PFALZ] Junk Mail [Rose Johns <torosebud@earthlink.ne] > > #2 Re: [PFALZ] Junk Mail [GGKinzer@aol.com] > > #3 Re: [PFALZ] Junk Mail [bob gillis <rpgillis@bellatlantic.] > > > > Administrivia: > > Subscriber, > > Can you spare $10 dollars to support Rootsweb? > > http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html#personal > > > > To unsubscribe from PFALZ-D, send a message to > > PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com > > Going on Vacation 4 days or leaving the list? > > send your message to Trier-Roots-D-request@rootsweb.com > > (click and ready to go) > > mailto:Pfalz-D-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > ______________________________ > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > Subject: [PFALZ] Junk Mail > > Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2000 08:13:08 -0500 > > From: Rose Johns <torosebud@earthlink.net> > > To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com > > > > Has anyone else started receiving junk email since subscribing to this > > list? In 3 years of surfing the net (and being careful where I go and > > leave my address) I never received any spam of any kind.......until I > > subscribed to this list. Now I receive at least two a day...always from a > > country other than the US. I'm not "blaming" this list......just wonder > > if somehow these places are obtaining our addresses from it. 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on 8/3/2000 12:44 AM, W. David Samuelsen at dsam@sampubco.com wrote: > Dietrich is sometimes Richard. Derrick > never David because it is one of common German given names. and on 8/3/2000 1:07 AM, Mark Lesmeister at mmeister@houston.rr.com wrote: > Dietrich *is* a form of Theodoric. I have not seen it used as a form of > David or Theodore, but that doesn't mean it wasn't used in that way. Well, it all depends. My great-grandfather was baptized (in Schaumburg-Lippe, not the Pfalz) Heinrich Dietrich Wilhelm Bredthauer in 1870. After he came to the United States about 1883, he came to be known as David Henry Bredthauer. -- =Jim Eggert EggertJ@crosswinds.net