In the 1600-early 1700 period several Silbernagels married into my family. They were from the area around Bergzabern, namely Drusweiler-Capellen and Pleisweiler. I have only about 3 Silbernagel names, but that might be an area to try. Pinky Palladino

----- Original Message ----- Subject: Re: Fw: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > Why Ohio? Don't know except for my Weyersheim ancestors. Great Great > Grandmother Catherine Matter Gremminger. He brother came over first and > settled in Carroll Co., Ohio. When my family came over in 1843, they > went directly there, and immediately brought land from the brother. > > Several more from Weyersheim came too and setted there. Why? Because > it was close to New York? It was just west of the Ohio River across > from PA. > > I would like to add my 10 cents to the debate on Immigration from the > Pfalz. > Both sides could be correct. This is the story about Konigsbach. In > the 1800s the parishes started Family Registers. > Konigsbachs was outstanding--the best one I have found. No other town > comes close. I photocopied the whole thing, and it was a big help. > Each family was listed by name. Father, Mother, 2nd or 3rd wife if > necessary, then children. The next columns were birth date, year of > First Communuion, Year of Confirmation,then marriage and death years, > and every blank was filled in. The last column was Comments. The usual > stuff--prostitiute, died in name of town, had an illegitimate son in > name of town and date. But I also found--left for America on Dec 1849, > left for America on Feb 1852, left for America onMarch 1854. If a whole > family left the name had slashes on it. > > I ended up making lists on each date. The actual date was given, but I > don't remember all three. Most of the people like most of the town were > related to the ancestors in some way. The people were entire families > often with a widowed parent along, young men single, and young women > single. That was true of each ship. Then under the name of a man named > Sauer was a big note. He was appointed to e head of the group whose > main purpose was to find the place in America most suitable for the > immigrants who would come later to settle. The Sauer name was not there > when the records started in 1650. That came later and was never an > ancestral name, but became a collateral name often enough. > > I also found a letter from the French somebody giving the Konigsbac > immigrants permission to cross the border into France on their way to La > Harve without having to go thru the hassle at the border--get French > passports and travel papers etc. > > Yes, they were encouraged to leave because the town was overcrowded. > The town is in the Weinstrasse. The only industry was growing grapes. > The most important people were the landowners. The next in mportance > were the barrelmakers. They were so important that most sons only > married daughters of other barrelmakers. But they also were accepted by > the landowners and many married the landowners' children. > Not so the poor shoemaker. I found baptismal records earlier that only > said--baptized the daughter of the shoemaker--no names. > > So for some years the town of 2 to 3 hundred souls with 10 to15 > marriages a year and 30 births, to suddenly have 30 marriages and over > 100 births a year, and people were living until 50, 60, 70, 80 years. > Even 90. Something had to happen. The people were shipped to America, > but could they all afford passage. Or did the town subsidize them. > Someone was appointed to lead them--the town arranged to make their > passage into France easy. As I said earlier, there could be some truth > on both sides of the issue, but I don't know the answer. > > Interested in what happened to them? > The first ship landed at New Orleans on Jan.30, 1950. I didn't try to > trace them because there were no close relative on that ship. I figured > sometime I will go thru the 1850 Census Index for all the states up the > Mississippi--both sides. Maybe some stopped along the way. I do know > that there is a Sauer farm in Paoli, Dane Co., WI which is about 15 > miles from Madison. I haen't checked the land records in Madison to see > when that farm was purchased. > > I don't know when or where the second ship landed, but most of those > people ended up in Paoli. There were some close cousins, and I have met > some of their decendents who still live in Paoli. > > The third ship, the important one, landed in New York. Gene's great > grandparents were on that ship plus Grpa John's brother Bernard and his > family, and their sister and her family. Lots more cousins too. How > they got to WI I don't know. By water to Milwaukee then overland. The > railroad from Milwaukee to Madison was completed until 1855 a year > later. Did they come by railroad to Chicago/ All I know is they came > fast. Within a week of landing in New York they were in the Madison > courthouse making their Declaration of intent to become citizens and > buying land on which they built lovely big houses. Their family were > the landowners in Konigsbach. But these were smart people. They picked > beautiful > Wisconsin to live in and raise their families. > >

Hi, I am looking for this family in the Pfalz area. It seems that I cannot find any people with this surname listed in the German phone book. What would the correct spelling be? I even tried Fessig and Vessig. We are also looking for the surnames, Silbernagel, Hennscheid, Bund and Nelles. Thank you for any help that you can give us. Karla Nurnberg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

List, thank you so very much to each person who was kind enough to email me about Rheinheimers. I appreciate all the new information. I still don't have a connection to find out the name of the town he came from. But I will continue to track every clue. Vernia

My GxxG-Pa Peter DORST and GxxG-Ma Anna Maria ADOLPH left Idar-Oberstein on the Nahe River to the Rhine River to London on the ship INDIAMAN. They left London on the ship DRAGON and landed in Charleston, SC in 1764/65. How do I contact anyone in Idar-Oberstein for archive/church or any information to go back another generation. Have read previously (and deleted) :-( other postings ref this. Thank you Frank Gray in Thonotosassa, Florida USA

Walton wrote: > > Can any researcher give me details about why my Oppau ancestors settled in > Lawrence Co., OH in 1847? I'm guessing that they arrived in NY, traveled > by rivers and canals to Lake Erie and then more rivers and canals to > Portsmouth on the Ohio River, but WHY? > If you are asking why did they leave Oppau, then get a good book on the History of Germany which will tell of the conditions in the Pfalz, Bavaria and other states. As others have said there may have been people from Oppau who had settled there before. Also land owners advertised land for sale in German newspapers and through sales agents. As to the route, I would think more likely through Philadelphia, the canal and/or train to Pittsburgh and river boat down the Ohio to Portsmouth. bob gillis

Thanks to all who responded with Niederbayern being an area rather than a city. Judy in NC

I have just located relatives of my gr gr grandmother; they lived in Niederbayern, Germany but I cannot locate it on Mapquest. Can someone tell me where Niederbayern is or was located in the 1850s? Thanks in advance. Judy in NC

Hello Sarah J. Adams: Up through World War I, the Pfalz (as it was called at that time) was an integral part of the Kingdom of Bayern (Bararia is the English version, as they had a bad habit of changing an ethnic name to suit the English Language, the French did that also to most of the towns on the left bank of the River Rhein (again Rhine is the English version). In 1852 the Pfalz contained a number of Dukedoms, ruled by a Duke. Otterstadt is a small town, 3 km north of Speyer, and southeast of Schifferstadt, in the Rheinland Pfalz. Marian Dietrich on Monday in PFALZ-L gave us the address of the Archive for the state of Rheinland Pfalz which is located in Speyer and also, Speyer was the Kreisstadt (admininstrative center that has all the records for Otterstadt). The address she gave is as follows: Landesarchiv Speyer Otto-Mayer-Strasse 9 D-67346 Speyer Germany E-mail address: < info@plb.de We have not as yet tried to contact them, but will in the near future, so we can't tell if you have to communicate in the German lanuage or can do it in English. However, you can use < http://www.altavista.com > to get a translation from English into German. Happy hunting: Al and Margaret "Sarah J. Adams" wrote: > If I recall right, Is that the Bavarian government sent over 100 people from > Otterstadt, Pfalz in 1852. Most went to Canada and later trickled down into > the US. Another group left in the 1880s from the Otterstadt area and my > ancestors were included in this group and the bulk of them came to Reynolds, > Dakota Territory and splintered from there to St. Paul, MN; Humboldt, SK; > New Rockford, ND and Oregon. > > Sarah Adams > -----Original Message----- > From: Sue Masten <masten@gateway.net> > To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:34 PM > Subject: Fw: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > > > > >Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > > > > > >> I have a cousin that has traced LOTS of our families from Germany. She > >> states that several small towns in Pfalz ( especially around Hambach, > >> Deidsfeld) shipped 30 families each in 3 shipping's, to American. These > >> shipping's occurred between 1830 - 1870. The states reason was "These > >towns > >> were out growing their towns so fast (as they were very small) and > decided > >> to send families to American. > >> > >> The first shipping (my family) went through New Orleans, up the > >Mississippi > >> River to St. Louis and then she lost track, but they ended up in Quincy > >IL. > >> The next shipping came through New York and through the water ways ended > >up > >> in Wis. The last shipping (her line) ended up in Ohio, around Columbus. > >> > >> When I traced the families (in the US), our lines are found as she > states, > >> IL and Ohio. > >> > >> This story might not apply to all, but I have certainly found it to be > >true > >> for a great number of my line. > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Elsa Kahler" <ekahler@sympatico.ca> > >> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:20 AM > >> Subject: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > >> > >> > >> > I too have ancestors that settled in Ohio. Would be very interested in > >> > knowing why? > >> > > >> > Best wishes from Canada > >> > Elsa Kahler > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > >> > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > >> > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to > >go) > >> > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > >==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > >Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > >send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > >mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe

Hello list members, Many of my ancestors settled in Hancock Co. Ohio. They did so because of free land. For those of you that have ancestors from Ohio, you may want to look at the following web-site as it deals with land grants, and you may find an ancestor listed. It is a must look ! http://www.glorecords.blm.gov/logon/logon.asp John Feldenzer

If I recall right, Is that the Bavarian government sent over 100 people from Otterstadt, Pfalz in 1852. Most went to Canada and later trickled down into the US. Another group left in the 1880s from the Otterstadt area and my ancestors were included in this group and the bulk of them came to Reynolds, Dakota Territory and splintered from there to St. Paul, MN; Humboldt, SK; New Rockford, ND and Oregon. Sarah Adams -----Original Message----- From: Sue Masten <masten@gateway.net> To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 7:34 PM Subject: Fw: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > >Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > > >> I have a cousin that has traced LOTS of our families from Germany. She >> states that several small towns in Pfalz ( especially around Hambach, >> Deidsfeld) shipped 30 families each in 3 shipping's, to American. These >> shipping's occurred between 1830 - 1870. The states reason was "These >towns >> were out growing their towns so fast (as they were very small) and decided >> to send families to American. >> >> The first shipping (my family) went through New Orleans, up the >Mississippi >> River to St. Louis and then she lost track, but they ended up in Quincy >IL. >> The next shipping came through New York and through the water ways ended >up >> in Wis. The last shipping (her line) ended up in Ohio, around Columbus. >> >> When I traced the families (in the US), our lines are found as she states, >> IL and Ohio. >> >> This story might not apply to all, but I have certainly found it to be >true >> for a great number of my line. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Elsa Kahler" <ekahler@sympatico.ca> >> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:20 AM >> Subject: [PFALZ] Why Ohio >> >> >> > I too have ancestors that settled in Ohio. Would be very interested in >> > knowing why? >> > >> > Best wishes from Canada >> > Elsa Kahler >> > >> > >> > >> > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== >> > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? >> > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to >go) >> > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >> > >> > >> > > >==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation longer than 4 days? >send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) >mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe >

It seems a lot of us had German ancestors who settled in Ohio. I am researching Adam RHEINHEIMER who was born in Bavaria in 1822, came to the US in early 1850's and settled in Columbiana County OH. I have been unable to find the town in Germany where he came from. Would appreciate any suggestions. Vernia B. Brooks

Thank you to all who responded. Your information was quite interesting and sheds some light on immigrant settlement patterns in the States for this particular Canadian. Thank you. I have found one branch, Peter, which settled in Seneca County and others, namely Wippel, Eichinger, Fruth and Christmann which settled in other parts of Ohio, including the pomeroy area. Unfortunately, Canadian school geography lessons did not cover these areas, so I don't know exactly where they would be. Elsa Kahler Best wishes from Canada

I am looking for any information on my father's family and their siblings, last name BROSCHART. Before about 1800 the last name was spelled BROSCHARD. The earliest ancestor I have is Lambert BROSCHARD who is married to Elizabeth. They had a son Noe BROSCHARD who was christened in 1755 and married Anna Eva RUBLE. Their son, Johann Adam BROSCHARD, was born in 1775 in Schallodenbach and was christened in the Cross Chapel. He married Elizabetha Bosslet and then Maria Elizabetha Kuechler. The son of John A. and Elizabetha Bosslet is Adam BROSCHART born-1813 in Oberhausen, married Mary Elizabetha Ziegler in 1839. The son of Adam and Mary Ziegler was John Adam BROSCHART born in 1841 in Zweibruchen; he married Elizabeth Buchheit and came to the USA in 1867. Thank you. Kathy bigelow@teleport.com

I have the Bormnann Book (from Adam's Co, IL) which has lots of Ertle's in it. Do you know of this book? And would you like this info.? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nan and Bill Harvey" <nharvey@meta3.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > My Pfalz ancestor, Frederick Ertel, b. Kandel in 1816, settled in Indiana. > Why? > > Perhaps they were following the old adage, "Go West, young man!" America > had achieved a vast reputation as the land of opportunity as long as one was > willing to work. These new immigrants wrote home urging their friends and > relatives to join them. Perhaps, you'll find through further research, the > connections you seek to Ohio. > > My Frederick left the SE corner of Indiana in 1860 and moved to Adams > County, IL. Again, we wondered why did he move? Only a few years ago after > internet contact with other researchers, did I find that many people from > his father's hometown of Neuburg am Rheine settled in Adams County. There > must have been communication between the immigrants which caused them to > want to settle in the same areas. I have not seen them, (couldn't read if I > did) but towns with considerable German settlers had newspapers published in > German. There was more of a network than we realize. > > Nan Harvey > Jackson, MS > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elsa Kahler <ekahler@sympatico.ca> > To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:20 AM > Subject: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > > > > I too have ancestors that settled in Ohio. Would be very interested in > > knowing why? > > > > Best wishes from Canada > > Elsa Kahler > > > > > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > >

Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > I have a cousin that has traced LOTS of our families from Germany. She > states that several small towns in Pfalz ( especially around Hambach, > Deidsfeld) shipped 30 families each in 3 shipping's, to American. These > shipping's occurred between 1830 - 1870. The states reason was "These towns > were out growing their towns so fast (as they were very small) and decided > to send families to American. > > The first shipping (my family) went through New Orleans, up the Mississippi > River to St. Louis and then she lost track, but they ended up in Quincy IL. > The next shipping came through New York and through the water ways ended up > in Wis. The last shipping (her line) ended up in Ohio, around Columbus. > > When I traced the families (in the US), our lines are found as she states, > IL and Ohio. > > This story might not apply to all, but I have certainly found it to be true > for a great number of my line. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elsa Kahler" <ekahler@sympatico.ca> > To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, August 07, 2000 5:20 AM > Subject: [PFALZ] Why Ohio > > > > I too have ancestors that settled in Ohio. Would be very interested in > > knowing why? > > > > Best wishes from Canada > > Elsa Kahler > > > > > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? > > send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) > > mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > > >

Me Too. My Schlump Family from Bavaria (so it said on a census) were in Ohio before 1844. And that is all I know. Any help would be appreciated. Sandi

Janette, Here is an address I got off the internet: Perhaps you can find out more at the web site listed. Landesarchiv Speyer Otto-Mayer-Str. 9 D-67346 Speyer opened: Mo-Th 8.00am-5.00pm, Fr 8.00am-4.00pm, Sa 9.00-12.00am Tel.: +49 6232/91920 Fax: +49 6232/9192100 eMail: info@plb.de WWW: Landesarchiv Speyer

Hi, We are looking for the Trombauer family, who came to New York in the early 1700's. Can any one help us locate this family? What is the web address for the site, where one can find out how far one village is from another one? I have a few places that I need to inquire about. Looking for a Valentin Faesig, Klock or Glock, Stephan Froelich and other NY emigrants during the early 1700's. Thanks for any help that someone can give me. Karla Nurnberg __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/

Re: your ancestors saying they were born in Baden, when they lived in the Pfalz. Well, in several censuses some family members aid they were born in Bavaria, when they were born in the Pfalz. I spent a lot of time looking for the family in area we now know as Bavaria, but never found them there. So, one really needs to be aware of the history of Germany and the geographical boundary changes when searching for families!! Joanne -----Original Message----- From: BobCall49@aol.com <BobCall49@aol.com> To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Sunday, August 06, 2000 7:28 PM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Re: geography >In a message dated 8/6/00 11:40:03 AM Pacific Daylight Time, smada@webtv.net >writes: > ><< Is/Are the towns of Edenkoben, & Arzheim close to each other and if so > is Baden Baden near these > Pfalz Bayern. towns ? >> >Arzheim is 6.2 miles SSW of Edenkoben. Baden is not within 30 miles per >Shtetlseeker. Arzheim is about 1 1/2 hour ride by horse and buggy from >Edenkoben. >The way your question is phrased reminds me of my search. The 1870 US census >said my ancestor was from Baden and I found him in Pfalz. The Pfalz being >part of Bayern at the time and the census taker not knowing Bayern was German >for Barvaria probably assumed he meant Baden. >Bob > >______________________________