Lately, I am getting a lot of messages from subscribers who are using different addresses (not same addresses as the ones they subscribe under). NO one can post any message or any reply to the list using different addresses - like subscribed in yahoo address and posting using AOL address. This do NOT work. Do NOT use any addresses you did NOT subscribe to this list. Use only the addresses you DID USE to subscribe, in order to post reply or post new message. W. David Samuelsen, listowner

I would like some help in translating some abreviations that are from a book on my family's genealogy. The abreviations are in text giving names, births, deaths, etc. If someone knows where there is a list of these abreviations used in German records, I would appreciate the information. The words are: Herm. KL. beide 16.03.1792 Rod. led. Herm led. Wagner +20.07.1851 Stein. Schäfer, Wfb. Zimmerm. Bu. Holzmacher, Bu vorehel. Soldat b. Napoleon Wo? * 11.06.1781 Bann. Zimmerm. Acker.Wfb. Thank you for any help you can give me. Kathy bigelow@teleport.com

I know this might be a FAQ, but I'm going to Germany in a few weeks and was wondering a few things: 1. Is Speyer where the records for the Pfalz (Like Leimersheim and Hordt to be exact)? 2. Is it too late for me to call them and make an appointment to see records? 3. How do I find out what records they have? I imagine they wouldn't want me wandering aimlessly - slack-jawed and drooling over the variety of records, without a very specific agenda ;) Thank you for any suggestions! Gabrielle Ophals GEOSHARK@aol.com

I am looking for info on the area that was known as Zweibrucke, Pfalz circa 1712. My family Johannes Nicholas KEMMERER is said to have been born there, he later came to Easton, Northhampton, PA. I have done searches on the 'net and have not hit Zweibrucke ! Can anyone on the list tell me what present town/city it is near??? I have been watching this list for a long time waiting for some reference to this place or family. Thank you ... Judy

Dave, I understand completely. Just wanted to know you were OK. Kaye

Michael, I received some maps of areas of the Pfalz from relatives in Germany a few years back. I scanned them and thought I would put them on the Internet for all to use. They been folded and written on a little so they might be hard to read. Herxheim is definitely listed on most of them though. Hope they help. Good luck. Rich Aspenleiter http://www.ieway.com/richa883/maps/map2.htm http://www.ieway.com/richa883/maps/map2b.htm http://www.ieway.com/richa883/maps/map3a.htm http://www.ieway.com/richa883/maps/map1b.pdf At 09:04 PM 8/21/00 EDT, you wrote: >In a message dated 8/21/00 3:02:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, >PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > ><< Hello folks: I am trying to determine just where "Herxheim Landau, >Pfalz, > Bayern" would have been / is now.... as a relative was baptized there in > early 1813.... ANY help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Michael Metz. >>> > >Michael, > >Herxheim is a very small place just a few kilometers to the east of Landau. >Landau is in the Pfalz, near the Rhine River and the Weinstrasse. What is >your ancestor's name? My G G Grandfather Schwaab came from Dammheim, which >is just a few kilometers north. Somewhere back in the distant past one of >his ancestors married someone from Herxheim. There are church records for >Dammheim for this time period at the LDS. They sometimes reference marriages >or baptisms in nearby villages, especially if the folks were related in some >way. > >Irma > > >==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation longer than 4 days? >send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) >mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe > > > Rich Aspenleiter 4417 S. Havana Spokane, WA. 99223-7819 U.S.A. Phone 509-448-5411 Fax 509-443-1707 mailto:richa883@ieway.com GRHS Village Coordinator for Neu Speyer and Neu Karlsruhe Researching: ASPENLEITER, ASPENLIEDER, ASPELEITER, ASPENLEIDER, BAST, BUSCHOLL, DEUTSCH, DIETRICH, HUBER, JAHNER, KUHN, LANG, LAUNTMAN, MARSAL, SCHAAF, SCHAF, SCHAFF, SCHANTZ, SCHANZ, SCHMIDT, STOCKERT, URLACHER, WÜNSCHEL, WINSCHEL,

There is a history of the Reformation at http://www.associate.com/ministry_files/The_Reading_Room/NotesOutlinesHelps_1/Church_history_the_Reformatio "Wallonen" were the french speaking residents of the southern part of the Netherlands Bartholomäusnacht refers to the St Bartholomew's Massacre in Paris in 1572 (massacre of Hugenots) Franz von Sickingen (1481-1523) was a military leader in the early Reformation The Thirty Years War ended in 1648 bigelow wrote: > I had a letter translated that gave some history on my father's family name, BROSCHART/BROSCHARD. In the letter it mentioned that the two earliest ancestors that I know of were connected with the Wallonens. What or who are Wallonens? > Also mentioned was that Otterberg "was palatinatish and Schallodenbach was sickingisch". Later in the letter the word Sickinger is written. What is the meaning of these words? > In the letter it says, "...the Broscharts first came after the Thirty Years' War as Catholics from Walloon or somewhere else." Where or what is Walloon? Is it connected to the Wallonens? > Last question-what is the Bartholomäusnacht in Paris that would cause a group of people to flee from there? > > Any help with these questions concerning my family history would be appreciated. Thank you. > > Kathy > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe

Hello: I'm not sure I understand your references in items 2 and 3. Do you know what HBR stands for? If it's Heimatbuch der Deutschen Aus Russland, those journals should eventually be available through interlibrary loan from the North Dakota State University Germaans from Russia Heritage Collection. (http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/gerrus/ )Actually, that goes for just about any German/Russian journal or reference, so even if HBR stands for something else, you should still check it out. I say eventually because the NDSU library is still recovering from a flood and I'm not sure what kind of requests they are honoring right now. The Heimatbuch is also in the collection of the Germans from Russia Heritage Society (GRHS) ( http://www.grhs.com/ ) but if I recall correctly they don't do interlibrary loans, though they can arrange for someone to do research in their collection for a fee. Since I surmise you are located in Germany, interlibrary loan from the US may be difficult to arrange, so perhaps having someone in the GRHS do the research for you would be the way to go. However, one would think the journals would also be available at numerous libraries in Germany as well. To answer question number 1, you may want to post your query on the Germans from Russia Genealogy Discussion Group, which can be joined from this link: http://www.lib.ndsu.nodak.edu/gerrus/listgerrus2.html The people who post there are the real experts on anything dealing with Germans from Russia. Some of them are located in Germany, and they would probably know if there are copies of the references you need available over there. I read the list regularly, and in fact, if you want, I would be happy to repost your query to the list if you don't want to join. (But joining is easy.) You may want to check out some of the other links at this site, which belongs to yet another German/Russian organization, the AHSGR: http://www.ahsgr.org/ahsgrwww.html In particular, notice the link to Odessa: A German-Russian Genealogical Library, which is a full-text searchable online archive of documents concerning Germans from Russia. http://pixel.cs.vt.edu/library/odessa.html -----Original Message----- From: Frank Hummel [mailto:eningen.germany@juno.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2000 9:13 PM To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PFALZ] Hummels to Russia from Germany Hi: Hummels to Russia While reading “From Catherine to Khrushchev” I came across the following items that I wish to pursue. Any help would be appreciated. 1) Talks about a village named Brockhousan (Hummel) that is on the east side of the Volga (The Volga and Karaman Villages on the Wiesensat). They do not give much information but for some reason they renamed the village from Brockhousen to Hummel. I would appreciate knowing the Why, When and Who. 2) Would like to obtain copies of the following: Lutheran Separatist in south Caucasus (Helenendorft) it suggest for the history of the Church and school in south Caucasus see “Hummel HBR 1995 and HBR 1961” 3) Also looking for the following articles; Schrenk & Hummel, HBR 1954,and pp 35-38: Schrenk, F. HBR 1961 pp. 20.21 I am attempting to trace my great-ggg Uncle JOHN GEORGE HUMMEL who was born in Eningen unter Achalm, Wurttemberg, Germany. He left for RUSSIA in 1817. Would appreciate any direction, help suggestions. Thank you, Frank Hummel Visit my web site. http://members.xoom.com/EningenGer/Hummel

The previous E-mail was mistakenly sent to the wrong web site --- should have been the Irish site rather than the German site. So please ignore the request. Thanks, Robert McFarland

Hi: Can anyone tell me where Tedd in the parish of Derryvullan is located? Is there a web site which had a map which will show the location? Robert McFarland Lions Bay, BC, Canada rbmlionsb@aol.com

----- Original Message ----- From: "fulwyler" <fulwyler@one.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2000 10:55 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Re: PFALZ-D Digest V00 #270 To see the Pfalz today, its an Emerald Green Picture Book Region and its hard to picture it any other way.... - -------------------------------------- I got a letter earlier in the year from a Metz in my family's home village who wrote, "How can I describe this region? We live in a small paradise." Joe Cincinnati, OH

If there anyone else on this list researching in the towns of KAIFENHEIM or LUTZERATH, both located near Cochem? I would like to ask a couple of questions. Thanks, JoAnn in Tucson, AZ

To add to the many varied ways our subscribers have described Their ancestors arrived in the USA... our interloper Swiss Fullweilers settled in Gimmeldigen in 1717 ( just north of Speyer), from there they moved south into Frankweiler and Spirkelbach.... As the story goes our Family was tired of the many wars and the impreesion of men into the armies..... Sooo in the middle of the night they left Spirkelbach dressed as women and headed to Amsterdam... I always wondered why men would dress as women and the travel with women and children. I felt they would stick out like sore thumbs.... In 'Germans to America' I found Anna Maria (Jüng) Fulweiler 1846 traveling with Jacob (my GGfather) and his brother Micheal and Elisabeth thier younger sister. No men ! At this moment I realized that the men came over first and sent for the rest of their Families later, after getting established..(in Cincinnati) As of yet I have not found where the men came in at and what year, tho the family story states NY or Boston about 1842... My thoughts are what did the women have to do to leave Germany LEGALLY since the men slipped out avoiding notification.... To see the Pfalz today, its an Emerald Green Picture Book Region and its hard to picture it any other way.... Ann (Fulweiler = Jüng = Weissenberger = Mühlhaüsen = Kost = Pfaffman) Frankweiler = Spirkelbach = Gimmeldigen

In a message dated 8/21/00 3:02:48 AM Eastern Daylight Time, PFALZ-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << Hello folks: I am trying to determine just where "Herxheim Landau, Pfalz, Bayern" would have been / is now.... as a relative was baptized there in early 1813.... ANY help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Michael Metz. >> Michael, Herxheim is a very small place just a few kilometers to the east of Landau. Landau is in the Pfalz, near the Rhine River and the Weinstrasse. What is your ancestor's name? My G G Grandfather Schwaab came from Dammheim, which is just a few kilometers north. Somewhere back in the distant past one of his ancestors married someone from Herxheim. There are church records for Dammheim for this time period at the LDS. They sometimes reference marriages or baptisms in nearby villages, especially if the folks were related in some way. Irma

Al & Margaret and Michael- You are all quite correct about Germany history and that of the PFALZ is particularly complex as it never quite recovered from the 30 Years War. Most maps deal with post 1871 Germany such as the 1883 Atlas des Deutschen Reichs map available at the University of Wisconsin web site, or the modern as Map Quest. As Al & Margaret pointed out, for this Herxheim it matters little as it is still there, tiny as it may be. I have great belief in maps and keep hard copy of the section of the PFALZ from the 1871 map which is of interest to me and front of me. While most road maps will not give coordinates, topographical maps will do so. However, in this case, I cheated. I simply went into www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.html and got both the coordinates and the link to Map Quest. Rob Hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

>Date: Mon, 21 Aug 2000 09:49:03 -0400 >To: MMetzMPLS@aol.com >From: "Robert E. Hausman" <hausman@bio.bu.edu> >Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Do you know where "Herxheim Landau, Pfalz, Bayern" was? > >Michael- > >If you simply go into Map Quest you will find >Herzheim am landau just NW of Karlsruhe at >coordinates 49 31 8 11. > >Rob Hausman > >At 12:13 AM 8/21/2000 -0400, you wrote: >>Hello folks: I am trying to determine just where "Herxheim Landau, >>Pfalz, >>Bayern" would have been / is now.... as a relative was baptized there in >>early 1813.... ANY help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Michael Metz. >> >> >>==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== >>Going on vacation longer than 4 days? >>send your message to Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com (click and ready to go) >>mailto:Pfalz-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=unsubscribe ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

Is anyone aware of the family name ABRISS which apparently originated from near the Saarland/Rheinbayern border. Don Dove Cortez, CO

Hello folks: I am trying to determine just where "Herxheim Landau, Pfalz, Bayern" would have been / is now.... as a relative was baptized there in early 1813.... ANY help will be greatly appreciated! Thanks. Michael Metz.

I am researching the following family- 1 Peter HILGER, b.? Godramstein, Pfalz, Bayern, d. 12 Aug 1890 Elchesheim, Baden, m. Louisa SEIDENSPINNER, b.?, Godramstein, Pfalz d. 10 Jun 1873 Elchesheim, Baden 1.1 Reinhard, b. 1857 (poss Godramstein), d. 17 Sept 1905 Elchesheim, m. Hedwiga ALLARBARTH, b. 1857, d. 4 Aug 1915 Elch. 1.1.1 Wilhelm August, b. 1883 Elch 1.1.2 Windolin?, b. 5 Aug 1886 Elch, d. 17 Sept 1905 Elch 1.1.3 Elizabeth, b. 11 Jul 1889 Elch, d. still looking 1.2 Valerian HILGER, b. 8 Nov 1858 not sure, d. 27 Sept 1935 Elch m1. Maria Anna BAUMANN, b. 21 May 1863 Elch, d. 19 Dec 1888 Elch m2. Rosa HECK, b. 22 Jan 1862 Elch, d. 2 Apr 1943 Elch 1.2.1 Augusta, b. 27 Sept 1882 Elch, d. 15 Feb 1884 Elch 1.2.2 Elizabeth Amelia, b. 15 Feb 1884 Elch 1.2.3 Rosa, b. 21 Apr 1886 Elch 1.2.4 Albert, b. 27 May 1888 Elch, d. 13 Jul 1888 Elch 1.2.5 (can't read), b. 14 Nov 1894 Elch (child of Rosa HECK) 1.2.6 Gottleib, b. 12 mar 1891 Elch (child of Rosa) 1.2.7 Peter, b. 5 Nov 1895 Elch (child of Rosa) 1.2.8 Eugen, b. 3 FEb 1903 (child of Rosa) 1.3 August HILGER, b. 13 Dec 1859 Elch, d. 15 May 1922 Yonkers NY m. Marie Louise MODEN, b.c. Feb 1861, d. 23 Apr 1923 Yonkers 1.3.1 Carolina, b.c. Mar 1884 Yonkers, m. Henry CREDO 1.3.2 August P., b.c. Jun 1888 Yonkers, d. 4 FEb 1913 Yonkers 1.3.3 Marie Louise, b.c. Apr 1890 Yonk, d. 28 Jun 1959 Yonk (unmarr) 1.3.4 Emma, b.c. May 1892 Yonk, d. 13 Oct 1958 Yonk (unmarr) 1.3.5 C. Frederick Wm, b.c. Jan 1894 Yonk, d. 30 Aug 1923 Montgomery, NY, b. Emma Dorothy SIEBERT, one dau Dorothy M. m. ___ FORMAN 1.3.6 Leonie, b.c. May 1896 Yonk, m. ___ REICHENBACH 1.3.7 Harold, b. 21 Nov 1899 Yonk, d. Apr 1975 Yonk 1.4 Maria Francesca, b. 3 Jan 1862 Elch 1.5 Louisa HILGER, b. 21 Sept 1864 Elch, d. 20 mar 1952 Yonk m. 10 Sept 1892 NYC Leopold PFAFF, b. 8 Jul 1868 Dormettingen d. 25 Dec 1935 Yonkers 1.5.1 Barbara PFAFF 1.5.2 Louisa PFAFF 1.5.3 Otto August PFAFF (my husband's grandfather) 1.5.4 Leo Clemens PFAFF 1.6 Georg, b. 24 Dec 1869 Elch 1.7 Katharina, b. 9 Jun 1873 Elch, d. 28 Nov 1874 Elch There is another daughter, Elizabeth, who died 21 may 1888, not sure where she fits on the family chart. I also believe that Peter, husband of Louisa SEIDENSPINNER, had a brother named Georg. I'm hoping someone else is researching HILGER or SEIDENSPINNER in Godramstein. Nancy Pfaff Wallingford, CT

Annweiler is a beautiful town in the Pfalz region of Bavaria west of the Rhine and less than 10 miles north of the French border. The LDS family History Library has microfilms of the Catholic records from 1761-1924. These ,of course, are in German, but once you find your surnames you should be able to decipher the info. I have all the protestant records for this town. Pinky Palladino