Hello. No, one couldn't say that everyone knew what their "coat of arms" was in the 1700's/1800's because few people had them. Grants of arms were given to individuals, but these were often not heritable, and if they were they were usually passed on to a specific heir, e.g. eldest sons. Generally, if a person inherited a true grant of arms, the person knows it, if for no other reason than because people are constantly addressing that person as "My Lord" or "My Lady. (g) What many people mistake for "their" coat of arms, or "family crest", is usually a rendering of a grant of arms that was given to some person who shared the same surname long ago. Many mail-order and now Internet companies will provide these renderings for a fee, but they can easily be looked up in many geneological libraries for free. For the Pfalz area (or any German speaking area) the Siebmacher series of volumes is considered to be fairly complete. These surname crests are interesting in their own right and generally harmless, unless one imbues them with a genealogical meaning they usually don't have. Thus, for example, while I am curious whether the 15th century Lesmeister that was granted arms is related to me, even if I can prove he was I don't plan on claiming a "family crest". Of course, cities, principalities, organizations, etc. were often granted arms as well. Perhaps this is what your grandson's teacher was referring to. I see someone has been kind enough to provide a link to the Pfalz crest already. You can probably also find one for the town or city your ancestors came from as well. Hope this helps. -----Original Message----- From: smada@webtv.net [mailto:smada@webtv.net] Sent: Wednesday, September 06, 2000 10:16 PM To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PFALZ] Coat of arms Did everyone know what their coat of arms was /were in 1700's 1800's or earlier? Was there separate and many of these insignias for each principality.? Who designated them? Were they important to the everyday manual laborer? This is prompted by grandsons questions for his first German class..His mother tells him--grandma's know these things Eventually , he will find me out- It made me curious, too' <g> Florence

Looking for parents of JOHANN HEINRICH KUHN m. ANNA MARIA KOPF and all of their children. The information I have is: JOHANN HEINRICH KUHN m. ANNA MARIA KOPF May 1, 1798 in Evangelische, Moerzheim, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany Parents of: 1. BARBARA KUHN m1. FRIEDRICH SILBERNAGEL January 19, 1823 in Oberhoffen, Germany. m2. JOHANN KONRAD BEKER March 13, 1827 Germany. It is believed they remained in Germany. 2. ANDREW KUHN SR. b August 20, 1807, Moerzheim Bavaria Baiern, Germany d February 12, 1870 Shelby County, Indiana m. ANNA MARIA THEOBALD, April 4, 1831, Evangelische, Moerzheim, Bayern, Germany. 3. GEORGE MICHAEL KUHN b May 13, 1810 Bavaria, Moerzheim, Rheinpfalz, Germany, d February 24, 1886 in Union Township, Shelby County, Indiana, m SOPHIA SILBERNAGEL January 3, 1834, Belligheim Germany, daughter of JOHANN and ANNA KUHN SILBERNAGEL.

>Kathy- You wrote: >I'm looking for any info on: > Martin Menz, b. 9 Jan 1817 >immigrated 1847/48, m. Maria Anna Wegerle >in Stark Co Ohio 11 Jan 1848. >2 sons born in Germany were: >Thadeus b. 10 April 1842 >Linus b. 23 Feb 1845 >The only info I have on location is a story that passed down in three >different lines that he told of him and his brothers walking to >Luxembourg. In another line they said he was from Hamburg >(That's a long walk.) Could have been port of embarkation. >But when I found Homburg I thought ahha.......... >-Any help will be appreciated. Even a concentration of the >name would help >Thanks It is not possible to know what you have already tried in your research. There are four entries in the IGI for Michael Menz(en), have you investigated them? www.familysearch.org If Michael was born in 1817 he would likely have married about 1840/ 41 (22-23 was the usual age) and this fits with your chronology. Without the name of his first wife you have only the son's names to go on but the IGI might yield some information about them. Neither of your family ancedotes is much help, especially that about "Hamberg." ShtetelSeeker at: www.jewishgen.org shows 12 Hamburgs and 11 Hombergs. I'd suggest you go into the online German phone book and determine where there are Menz or Menzens living today. That might provide a clue. If nothing turns up on the IGI and if you have some hints as to where there are Menzs today, you will need to determine if your the LDS Church has filmed the records' for that location and, if so, order them at your local Family History Center and search the films for your ancestor. On the US end, have you investigated the record of his second marriage for any clues as to where in Germany he might have originated? This is unlikely to provide any information but is worth investigating. Rob Hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

Dear friends, My German surnames are: Kuhn from Huttengesaess/Langenselbold in Hessen-Nassau."Palatine" emigrants,to Rotterdam in 1709,to England and to New York State in 1710. Baz from Lauscha,about 1879(not even near the Pfalz,but...) Thank you, R.B.Coon Jr. 210 Nalomeli Pl. Kapa'a,HI. 96746

Hello: Just read Karen's response to the question about Hundheim and where people worshipped. I have a similar situation: I know my ancestors came from Bliesen and Namborn. Both are tiny villages near the larger Sankt-Wendel. Do you suppose Sankt-Wendel is where these people would have gone to worship if they were Catholic? Or would Sankt-Wendel hold duplicate copies of the church records? I ask these questions to try to narrow down my search. I found many many rolls of film on Sankt-Wendel indexed on the LDS site, but very few for Namborn and Bliesen. Thank you, Johnn St. Clair

I'm new to the list and hope someone can assist. My Eller family came from Germany in 1746 via a port in Holland. The holy grail for all Eller researchers to locate the location and parents of these immigrants. Are there Ellers from the area studied by this list? Thank You, Jim Eller

-- head -- Good evening, Here is a web site that may help you. <http://www.genealogy.net/gene/reg/regio.htm> Click on Regional Resources. Scroll down onto map click on Rheinland Pfalz. Scroll down to and click on Rheinland-Pfalz (Rhineland-Palatinate) in the text. At the bottom of this page under Miscellaneous click on Civic Arms. -- Je vous prie d¹agréer, Monsieur, Madame, mes sincères salutations. Regards, Richard Rozon (dit Vadeboncoeur, dit Vive L'amour) - 40 - > From: smada@webtv.net > Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 23:16:13 -0400 (EDT) > To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PFALZ] Coat of arms > Resent-From: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 20:16:09 -0700 > > > Did everyone know what their coat of arms was /were in 1700's 1800's or > earlier? > Was there > separate and many of these insignias for each principality.? Who > designated them? Were they important to the everyday manual laborer? > > This is prompted by grandsons questions > for his first German class..His mother tells him--grandma's know these > things > Eventually , he will find me out- > It made me curious, too' > > <g> > > Florence > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe >

From: "Mike Summerer" Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 Subject: Re: [PFALZ] BROSCHART/BROSCHARD, Wallonens (> Franz von Sickingen 1481-1523) was a military leader in the early >Reformation > The Thirty Years War ended in 1648 I am very interested in the above comment. In a printed genealogy of early GROSSARTH ancestors there is this sentence: "Johann Nikolaus Großarth wurde 1704 von Franz Friedrich von Sickingen seines Amtes als Schultheiß zu Feil bei [unknown] entsetzt weil er als Katholik mit einer luth. Frau verheiratet war und seine Kinder in Glauben ihrer Mutter erziehen ließ. Er wanderte aus und fand auf dem Disibodenberger Hof im protestantischen Herzogtum Pfalz-Zweibrücken eine neue Heimat." This was translated to: "Franz Friedrich von Sickingen dismissed Johann Nikolaus Grossarth from his position of mayor of Feil in 1704 because, he as a catholic, married a Protestant woman and raised their children in her religion. He moved away to the Disibodenberger Hof [near Odernheim am Glan in der Pfalz] where he found a new home in the Protestant Dukedom of Pfalz-Zweibrücken." Could this be a descendant of the Franz von Sickingen (1481-1523) mentioned above? Is there a published genealogy of his family? I am also trying to locate the town of Feil mentioned in the paragraph about Johann Nikolaus Grossarth. There are two in Meyers lexicon: one which is only a few km from Odernheim and a had Lutheran church so it does not seen to fit the other, in Kr. Erstein in Elsass, is a Wlr = Weiler = a very small village. This is certainly a Catholic area, although I did find some evangelische listings in the FHC for this area. Would a "Weiler" have a Schultheiß? How would I find more information about a "Franz Friedrich von Sickingen" who would have been alive in 1704 and had control of a place named Feil? Thanks for any suggestions for where to look, Karen Grossart

Did everyone know what their coat of arms was /were in 1700's 1800's or earlier? Was there separate and many of these insignias for each principality.? Who designated them? Were they important to the everyday manual laborer? This is prompted by grandsons questions for his first German class..His mother tells him--grandma's know these things Eventually , he will find me out- It made me curious, too' <g> Florence

This is my 1st post to the list - I've been reading for a couple weeks since I signed up- Hope I get this right. I'm looking for any info on: Martin Menz b. 9 Jan 1817 immigrated 1847/48 m. Maria Anna Wegerle in Stark Co Ohio 11 Jan 1848 2 sone born in Germany were: Thadeus b. 10 April 1842 Linus b. 23 Feb 1845 The only info I have on location is a story that passed down in three different lines that he told of him and his brothers walking to Luxembourg. In another line they said he was from Hamburg(That's a long walk.) Could have been port of embarkation. But when I found Homburg I thought ahha. Sorry for the length. Oh his 1st wife died in passage and I haven't been able to find out who she was. -Any help will be appreciated. Even a concentration of the name would help Thanks Kathy

I am researching the following surnames: Altman Kunkle Eck Shaner Walthour Croushore Steffey Dunmire/Dormeyer Noel Hoak Kathy Altman Walker

Greetings Listers, I am not sure if I am on the right list but would like to post these names in case there would be a contact. My ggrandfather,Ludweig WINKOFSKE and his wife, Wilamina WITTE, sailed from HAMBURG in June of 1881, arriving New York, June 28, 1881. Surname can also be WINKOFF. I found a Bernard WINKOFF on a Christening record for his son Johannes. dated in 1689. Name of place was Heimback Neuwied, Rhineland, Preussen. Has anyone heard of this place or the above surnames? I would very much appreciate any feedback. Having a hard time locating them. Thank you. Dee in Arizona DEEBEE4@PRODIGY.NET

I'm researching the following: Lambrecht: Descendants of Louis Miller 1 2695 Miller, Louis b: November 03, 1833 in Lambrecht, Rheinpfaltz, Bavaria, GERMANY d: March 27, 1908 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA .. +2696 Baum, Katherine b: June 16, 1835 in Lambrecht, Rheinpfalz, Bavaria, GERMANY m: 1861 in East Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA d: January 05, 1925 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA .......... 2 2626 Miller, Louis Matthew Peter b: April 24, 1868 in East Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA d: November 17, 1946 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA .............. +2627 Plaughjeck, Josephine b: 1867 in ,, GERMANY m: July 19, 1886 in East Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA d: August 10, 1955 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA .......... 2 2698 Miller, Lena b: October 26, 1869 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA d: 1951 in .......... 2 2697 Miller, Emelia b: 1871 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA d: 1962 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA Baums: Descendants of Michael Baum 1 14555 Baum, Michael .... +14556 Unknown, Unknown .......... 2 4710 Baum, Frederic b: Abt. 1760 in Lambrecht, Bavaria, Germany d: November 15, 1832 in Lambrecht, Gravenhausen, Bavaria ................. +4711 Fuchs, Catherina b: Abt. 1768 in Germany d: April 08, 1834 in Lambrecht, Gravenhausen, Bavaria ....................... 3 2600 Baum, Andreas b: July 01, 1814 in Lambrecht, Bavaria, Germany d: December 14, 1874 in Lambrecht, Bavaria, Germany ............................. +2597 Koelsch, Anna Elisabetha b: November 08, 1820 in Germany m: September 22, 1844 in Lambrecht, Gravenhausen, Bavaria d: December 05, 1868 in Lambrecht, Bavaria, Germany .................................... 4 2593 Baum, Andreas b: March 10, 1858 in Lambrecht, Rheinpfalz, Bavaria, GERMANY d: November 05, 1923 in Frankenmuth, Tuscola, MI, USA .......................................... +3367 Hoffman, Maria Margaretha b: June 1860 in Frankenmuth, Tuscola, MI, USA m: March 16, 1892 in Saginaw, Saginaw, *MI, USA d: October 08, 1926 in Frankenmuth, Tuscola, MI, USA .................................... 4 2492 [3] Baum, Elizabeth b: May 01, 1863 in Lambrecht, Gravenhausen, Bavaria d: February 26, 1950 in Richville,Tuscola, MI, USA .......................................... +2513 Miller, Johann Carl d: August 12, 1918 ....................... 3 3331 Baum, Michael b: September 17, 1806 in Germany d: March 17, 1881 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA ............................. +2703 Koelsch, Elizebeth b: Abt. 1799 d: June 10, 1866 .................................... 4 1221 Baum, Helena b: May 02, 1839 in Lambrecht, Bavaria, Germany d: March 03, 1929 in Frankenmuth, Tuscola, MI, USA .......................................... +1223 Raquet, Peter b: September 30, 1838 in Lambrecht, Bavaria, Germany d: January 21, 1890 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA .................................... 4 1222 Baum, Louisa .......................................... +1224 Mickel, Adam .................................... 4 1198 Baum, Adam H. b: January 26, 1831 in Lambrecht, Neustadt, Bavara, Germany d: December 01, 1905 in Bridgeport, Saginaw, MI, USA .......................................... +1199 Junckner, Anna Marie b: 1833 m: June 27, 1853 in Detroit, Wayne, MI, USA d: June 05, 1911 .................................... 4 2696 Baum, Katherine b: June 16, 1835 in Lambrecht, Rheinpfalz, Bavaria, GERMANY d: January 05, 1925 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA .......................................... +2695 Miller, Louis b: November 03, 1833 in Lambrecht, Rheinpfaltz, Bavaria, GERMANY m: 1861 in East Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA d: March 27, 1908 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA .. .................................... 4 2701 Baum, Elizebeth b: 1837 in ,, GERMANY d: June 14, 1913 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA .......................................... +2704 Kipfmiller, Mathias K. b: 1835 m: September 1861 in East Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA d: 1888 .................................... 4 3226 Baum, Peter b: August 16, 1845 in Lambrecht, Bavaria, Germany d: November 26, 1894 in Saginaw, Saginaw, MI, USA .......................................... +3227 Roneike, Eva b: in NY, USA Kathy

Louise, You are on the right list for Hundheim. Have you used the Hinzweiler church records? That is where people from Hundheim worshipped in the 1600s. Some later moved to the Bosenbach parish by the mid 1700s, but only a few ended up there. There are civil records for Hundheim starting in 1799. But the Hinzweiler records go back to 1648. I don't recall the Spohn name, but there are Kleins there. Karen LHawthorne@aol.com wrote: > > Hello, Listers: > My KLEIN-SPOHN families come from Hundheim and I would like to know if I am > on the correct list. > I would also like to know if someone on the list knows about this place. I > know where it is on a map I have, but would like to know more about the > actual town. > Many thanks for any help. > Louise > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe

I was here but just missed it. Sorry. I am looking for REEL/REIL in the RHINE VALLEY before 1745 Thank you budr@ptialaska.net Bud Reel

Hi Listers: I was off list for the last 2 weeks, I seems I missed a roll call. Here are my German surnames: (looking for info prior to 1840's) NAUMANN - Namborn, Germany BACKES - Bliesen and Namborn, Germany MÜLLER - Kohln, Germany BEYER - unknown location Johnna St. Clair, Port Jefferson, NY

There was no roll calls. There are some of subscribers trying to start one. That is NOT allowed since this drive a good number of subscribers out of the lists quick and fast. Don't try. Be specific with what you are seeking or replying. W. David Samuelsen, listowner

You never stop learning! I guess it was a mistake to answer to a request about the origine of a name. I am drowned now by similar inquiries. Please understand that it is quite impossible to reply. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy" <DavidandKathy73@hotmail.com> To: "Ernst Dierich" <edierich@t-online.de> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Surname origin and meaning > Ernst, > > Could I request a lookup for three surnames origin and meaning? > > Trittebach (now Tritapoe) > Ehalt (now Ahalt) > Pfaffenberger (now Poffenberger) > > Thank you for taking the time to consider my request. > > Kathy > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ernst Dierich" <edierich@t-online.de> > To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 3:53 AM > Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Surname origin and meaning > > > > Hello, > > HUFFMANN is certainly a misspelling of HOFFMANN, itsself deriving from > > HOFMANN. HOF means courtyard or farm or (noble) court and MANN is simply > > man. > > > > Accordingly to Gottschald: Deutsche Namenskunde, 5. edition, Berlin New > York > > 1982 HOFMANN can have one of the following origins: > > 1) a man living at a noble court (mansion) > > 2) a man running a farm (a farmer) > > 3) a man living and working at a farm. > > Regards > > Ernst Dierich. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <Lbwiese@aol.com> > > To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 12:47 AM > > Subject: [PFALZ] Surname origin and meaning > > > > > > > I am trying to help out a friend's child who is doing a genealogy report > > for > > > school. He needs to know the origin and meaning of the name "Huffman." > I > > > hope someone can help me. > > > > > > About 90% of my ancestors came from the Pfalz area. But I do not have > any > > > books that give name origins or meanings. I know that there is at least > > one > > > book which gives this information, but I do not own it and it is not in > > our > > > library. > > > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > Lois in Lexington, KY > > > > > > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > > > to unsubscribe > > > > >

-- head -- Endres-Prison Families. I am researching the following: Anton Prison born 23 September 1925 at Bitburg, West Germany married to Klara Endres born 31 March 1922 at Lützkampen, West Germany. They emigrated to Canada about 1955 with their 4 children: Johannes, Helmuth, Ingrid (my late wife) and Marion. Any info would be greatly appreciated. -- Je vous prie d¹agréer, Monsieur, Madame, mes sincères salutations. Regards, Richard Rozon (dit Vadeboncoeur, dit Vive L'amour) - 40 -

Hello, Listers: My KLEIN-SPOHN families come from Hundheim and I would like to know if I am on the correct list. I would also like to know if someone on the list knows about this place. I know where it is on a map I have, but would like to know more about the actual town. Many thanks for any help. Louise