Meisenheim is on the Glan River in what I believe is the Rhein Pfalz, but the Congress of Vienna gave the District of Meisenheim to the Duke of Hesse Homberg. My question is - Where should I be looking for the records of my ancestors who emigrated from Meisenheim in 1845 or 1846 ? In The Pfalz or in Hesse ? Does anyone know some history of the area ? Vern

Hello Listers, Just joined the list and thought I would see if anyone else is researching ancestors from Marienthal, which is now part of Rockenhausen. In the early to mid 1800's when my relatives were there, it was in Bavaria. The surnames from this town that I am researching are HANS, KLEIN and SCHEY. My ggg grandfather, Heinrich HANS, son of Johannes Jacob HANS and Catherine Elizabeth KLEIN, married Catherine SCHEY around 1850. They may have married in Marienthal. Their first child, Jacob L. HANS was born in Albany, NY in 1852. They stayed in Albany for the rest of their lives. P.S. Another family name from Marienthal which may be a relative, was ENGEL. Thanks, Joe Jennings

Deutsch: Hallo; Ich suche nach denen Namen: Vielen Dank für jede Antwort! Bei interesse gebe ich gernall informationen weiter Vielen Groß Richard Sehrbrock ENGLISH: I and search for information on the names below, Any help would be appreicated. Thank you Richard Sehrbrock Oberlahnstein KESSLER: KATHARINE Josepha Kessler, geb 27 April 1878 zu WILHELM Ludwig Georg, geb 15 Jan 1907 AUGUSTE Maria Josepha, geb 7 Dez 1904, zu ELISABETH Henriette, geb 22 Aug 1902 KARL Anton geb 3 Nov 1875 Elisabeth, geb 1 Dez 1873 AGNES Wilhelmina, geb 21 April 1872 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Deutsch: Hallo; Ich suche nach denen Namen: Vielen Dank für jede Antwort! Bei interesse gebe ich gernall informationen weiter Vielen Groß Richard Sehrbrock ENGLISH: I and search for information on the names below, Any help would be appreicated. Thank you Richard Sehrbrock Helena Rief, geb im März 1873 zu Poppelsdorf Wilhelm Sehrbrock, geb 7 Jan 1860 zu Altlünen, _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Hello Listers, I just wanted to drop a note to say thank you for the information provided on french terms. Your input was appreciated. Thank you! Also thank you for the additional information on the Pfalz, it has been very useful. Sarah Adams

Marie, BSKTBTQUE@aol.com wrote: > > While looking at the FHC site for baptismal records online...I keep seeing > Gönnheim, Pfalz, Bayern....but not my Gönnheim, Rhine, Germany, are these two > different places? > To check your town out send a message of: Gonnheim to: geo@genealogy.net. bob gillis

Hello Marie, we are back to our old discussion of last autumn about the border and time limits of the Pfalz (Palatinate), Kurpfalz (Palatinate Electorate) and the belonging of the Pfalz to Bayern (Bavaria) or so. You remember perhaps the fabulous question of Don Hickmann: "Who owned the Pfalz?" There are some points in the statement given by Rob Hausman requiring a more precise formulation: The first German Reich (Holy Roman Empire of German Nation) ended in the year 1806 and with it all those both laic and ecclestical electors as well as a whatever supremacy of Habsburg after Kaiser Franz II. of Habsburg deposed the crown and renounced to the emperorship of the Empire. After the fall of Napoleon in 1815 Europe was "restored" by the Vienna Congress and not only by Metternich. In the course of this merchandising Bavaria became the owner of the left Rhine territories of the former Kurpfalz (Palatinate Electorate). These territories where named in the very beginning the Bavarian Rhinelands (Bayerische Rheinlande) and from about 1825 on the Rhine Palatinate (Rheinpfalz). This Rheinpfalz or often shortly called the Pfalz belonged till the end of WW I in 1918 to the Kingdom of Bavaria which was followed through the end of WW II in 1945 by the State of Bavaria. The kingdom of Bavaria did not end with the creation of the second German Reich in 1871, it became part of, but ended with its destruction after WW I in 1918. Thus the Pfalz was part of the state of Bavaria from 1815/16 till 1945. (I hear already Fred Krebs sharpening his pencil !) Therefore the IGI classification correctly reflects the historical situation. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: <BSKTBTQUE@aol.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 26, 2000 6:11 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Bavaria? > Hi > > While looking at the FHC site for baptismal records online...I keep seeing > Gönnheim, Pfalz, Bayern....but not my Gönnheim, Rhine, Germany, are these two > different places? > > When I checked map for Gönnheim Rhine it was in the Palantine area...not in > the Bavarian area which I believe Bayern stands for. > > Would appreciate some clarification from those of you more knowledgeable with > Germany areas. > > Thank you > Marie > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe >

The Pfalz was also known as Rhenish Bavaria. the classification is as of 1871 and thereafters. That is why my entries in IGI listed Rheinland, Prussia before 1871 and Rheinland, Germany afterwards, while the LDS FHL catalog list the records as of 1871 throughout. For Bavaria areas, it would show simply as Germany, Bayern, Gonnheim and those that were part of Kingdom of Prussia, will show as Germany, Preussen, Rheinland, Britten. W. David Samuelsen BSKTBTQUE@aol.com wrote: > > Hi > > While looking at the FHC site for baptismal records online...I keep seeing > Gönnheim, Pfalz, Bayern....but not my Gönnheim, Rhine, Germany, are these two > different places? > > When I checked map for Gönnheim Rhine it was in the Palantine area...not in > the Bavarian area which I believe Bayern stands for. > > Would appreciate some clarification from those of you more knowledgeable with > Germany areas. > > Thank you > Marie >

The Rh. Bavaria (Pfalz) remained part of Bavaria well beyond 1871 - until at least 1918. David Samuelsen "Robert E. Hausman" wrote: > > Marie, you wrote: > > >While looking at the FHC site for baptismal records online...I keep seeing > >Gönnheim, Pfalz, Bayern....but not my Gönnheim, Rhine, Germany, are these two > >different places? > > > >When I checked map for Gönnheim Rhine it was in the Palantine area...not in > >the Bavarian area which I believe Bayern stands for. > > > >Would appreciate some clarification from those of you more knowledgeable with > >Germany areas. > > The Palatinate (Pfalz) was given to Bavaria in 1815 after Napoleon was driven > out. The tradition of government in the German Empire was that the head of > state was either royalty or an elector. The elector might be lay or > ecclesiastic > but always owed allegiance to the Hapsburg Emperor in Austria. > > The Elector Palatinate had been a major force in earlier German history but, > after 150 years of invasions and devastation the line was extinct and the power > gone. Thus, the fate of the Palatinate was in the hands of Metternich, the > Emperor's chancellor. Left alone, he would have made it a direct territory > of the Hapsburg emperor but internal politics in Vienna argued for a compact > Austria centered around the traditional territories of Austria and > Hungary. Thus, > he had to hand it off to someone and the semi-independent Bavarian monarchy > was convenient. > > The Pfalz remained "Bavarian" until it became part of the new German Empire > in 1871. > > The IGI classes the Pfalz as part of Bayern as it was 1815-1871. Perhaps, > they also needed a place to put it. > > Rob Hausman > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > Robert E. Hausman > hausman@bu.edu > www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html > > HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe

The Pfalz Web site helped me more than I can tell you, before I visited alone in May. I really enjoy and save all of the History of Rheinland that everyone discusses. Would love to hear more about the History and if anyone is writing a book about Offenbach, Billengheim, Germersheim, Landau, Baden. My surnames: Harless, Preisch (Price), Volger, Hoffman, Loy, Moser They were all born in the above villages/ towns in early 1700. Thanks, Georgia Hornbuckle Dallas, TX

Marie, you wrote: >While looking at the FHC site for baptismal records online...I keep seeing >Gönnheim, Pfalz, Bayern....but not my Gönnheim, Rhine, Germany, are these two >different places? > >When I checked map for Gönnheim Rhine it was in the Palantine area...not in >the Bavarian area which I believe Bayern stands for. > >Would appreciate some clarification from those of you more knowledgeable with >Germany areas. The Palatinate (Pfalz) was given to Bavaria in 1815 after Napoleon was driven out. The tradition of government in the German Empire was that the head of state was either royalty or an elector. The elector might be lay or ecclesiastic but always owed allegiance to the Hapsburg Emperor in Austria. The Elector Palatinate had been a major force in earlier German history but, after 150 years of invasions and devastation the line was extinct and the power gone. Thus, the fate of the Palatinate was in the hands of Metternich, the Emperor's chancellor. Left alone, he would have made it a direct territory of the Hapsburg emperor but internal politics in Vienna argued for a compact Austria centered around the traditional territories of Austria and Hungary. Thus, he had to hand it off to someone and the semi-independent Bavarian monarchy was convenient. The Pfalz remained "Bavarian" until it became part of the new German Empire in 1871. The IGI classes the Pfalz as part of Bayern as it was 1815-1871. Perhaps, they also needed a place to put it. Rob Hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

Hi While looking at the FHC site for baptismal records online...I keep seeing Gönnheim, Pfalz, Bayern....but not my Gönnheim, Rhine, Germany, are these two different places? When I checked map for Gönnheim Rhine it was in the Palantine area...not in the Bavarian area which I believe Bayern stands for. Would appreciate some clarification from those of you more knowledgeable with Germany areas. Thank you Marie

>Hi > >While looking at the FHC site for baptismal records online...I keep seeing >Gönnheim, Pfalz, Bayern....but not my Gönnheim, Rhine, Germany, are these two >different places? > >When I checked map for Gönnheim Rhine it was in the Palantine area...not in >the Bavarian area which I believe Bayern stands for. > >Would appreciate some clarification from those of you more knowledgeable with >Germany areas. Depending on where in the Rheinland it is. some of the southern parts of the Rheinland Palatinate (Pfalz) were once controlled by Bavaria. You are correct that Bayern is the German name for Bavaria. Hope this helps. Hope this helps -------------------

Hi Everyone: Is the present day Ellern, Germany between Bonn and Heidelberg what used to be known as Elmern? This is what www.mapblast.com tells me, but I don't trust technology. Johnna St. Clair

Thank you to everyone who answered my question regarding the leienweiber. Johnna St. Clair

Hi Everyone: Does anyone know what a Leineweber is. Maybe it is a profession of some sort? Altavista translates it as 'line webers' - not very helpful........ Johnna St. Clair

Linen weaver it is. I have a family full of them and the profession supported many in the Pfalz. It was a recognized guild throughout early modern Germany. Not as high a status as perhaps, wool weaver, but much more reliable as wool had to be imported whereas flax could be grown locally. When trade routes were cut off by invading armies, flax was as close as the next harvest. Rob Hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

Leineweber Perhaps Leinen Leinenweber would be weaver of linen. John Heiby

-- head -- Endres-Prison Families. I am researching the following: Anton Prison born 23 September 1925 at Bitburg, West Germany married to Klara Endres born 31 March 1922 at Lützkampen, West Germany. They emigrated to Canada about 1955 with their 4 children: Johannes, Helmuth, Ingrid (my late wife) and Marion. Other than that, the only new information I have is that Anton has/had a brother named Hans. Ingrid was born in Prum, b. 21 August 1952, baptized at St. Salvator 31 August 1952. While these relatives are/were Catholics, I am told they may descend from the Huguenots. Any info would be greatly appreciated. -- Je vous prie d¹agréer, Monsieur, Madame, mes sincères salutations. Regards, Richard Rozon (dit Vadeboncoeur, dit Vive L'amour) - 30 -

Hi Looking for family of a John DORSTE/DORSTY/DORST who was born in Gönnheim approx. 1827. Thank you Marie