Ya'll Need to send them BACK, and Point out or Print out the Same messages you are sending through the list... They don't help, don't have the INFO.. Make them take them BACK.. Good thing about US, is the Buyers do have a Few rights... Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

In a message dated 10/22/00 2:44:16 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Rolandmail@aol.com writes: << 1658-Hans Rouland listed in the Schatzung with a Haus 1670-Johannes Reyland was Ratzburgermeister >> Hello All, I was visiting in Otterberg as my MELKUS family lived there from 1800-1889. I purchases a book written in German all about Otterberg and families that have lived there. Otterberg is very interested in their history and several books are published. I only bought the books with my family named mentioned. With that said I can tell you about the above 2 names listed from your list... Title of book: Otterberg Band 2 Gerhard Kaller From the listing called " Otterberger Bevolkerung" under the heading of "Schatzung 1665" I find the name of Reylandt, Johannes. Also under the listing of "Schatzung 1658" Rouland Hans du Ru (Roo), Jacob I would have to have some help with the German but I know that these are listings from certain sources of people living in Otterberg during the said time period. Then another book that I purchases called, 300 years of immigration from Otterberg, which is also written in German, called 300 Jahre Auswanderung aus Otterberg Reiland, Franz * 31.7.1839 He married Catharina Schuhmann They both died in the USA. I am not sure this is one of your names but it is the only listing in this book near your Rei----- names. I hope this is of some help for you. Margaret

Dear List Members, The opportunity to post the following query is greatly appreciated. Recently I have noticed an unusually tight cluster of ROLAND-like names during the 1650-1750 time period in the southern Rheinpfalz near Kaiserlautern. For more than thirty years Roland genealogists have been searching for the origins of the Johannes Roland Family which arrived in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania about 1726-27. For a long time they were thought to have been Swiss Mennonites who moved north through the Palatinate before emigrating. It now appears that they may not have been Swiss after all, but Germans from west of the Rhine. The Anabaptist status of our particular group still seems highly possible as they were both Brethren and Mennonite in Pennsylvania. But if the larger family originally came from this region, there may have been Rolands practicing several variations of faith and belonging to many different churches. Might anyone with knowledge of the following names or places be able to provide further information that helps us determine if any of these names connect to our lines? Does anyone happen to know of other Roland-like name variations from the area? Many thanks for your consideration. OTTERBERG Sources are German Reformed Church and civil records: 1653-Johannes Reilant and wife Lisabeth baptized Lisabeth Margareth 1655-Johannes Reiland and wife Lisabeth baptized Augustinius Johannes 1656-Johannes Reilland and wife listed in census 1658-Hans Rouland listed in the Schatzung with a Haus 1670-Johannes Reyland was Ratzburgermeister 1679-Johann Reilandt was listed with two Hauser LAUTERN Source is German Reformed Church of Otterberg baptism record: 1655-Augustinius Reiland of Lautern is godfather to Augustinius Johannes Reiland (see above) EISENBERG Source is Evangelish baptism record: 1713-Johan Christoffell Rolandt Father: Johannes Rolandt Mother: Johanna LAMBSBORN Source is Lambsborn Reformed KB baptism record: 1720-Joh. Abraham Roland (later emigrated to Pennsylvania in 1750) Father: Joh. Ulrich Roland (b. 1689, d. 1727) RODENBACH Source is Mennonite Census List: 1664-Peter Rolandt Thank you. END ___________ David Roland Reston, Virginia

Hello, I am trying to find information about my great grandfather who died in 1920 in Hamburg. I want to find out how he died, how many children he had and whether he was married at the time of death. I have his death record from Hamburg but it does not have any of these details. Any thoughts about where else I could check. Any newspapers with obituaries any one could recommend?

My elusive ancestor is Matthias MORICK who shows up in Fürfeld in about 1705 with his wife Maria Elisabeth ____. Since the 1st of his many children was born in abt 1704 Matthias was probably born about 1680. But where? I haven't found any information on where this family originated, but through the succeeding generations they slowly moved south and then into Alsace. The name changed to MORCK along the way. The godfather of one of the children of Matthias was Wernher Morick, so he could be a brother of Matthais, and since he was a godfather, I am thinking that he probably didn't live too far away. The oldest son of Matthias, Johannes Morck became a vicillus (property manager) of a farm at nearby Bidendeller Hof (Biedenthal). If any one runs into a MORICK or MORCK record, please let me know. Gary duf@ntplx.net

RE: > Ever hopeful, I ordered them and, aafter a few hours of > playing with them, would really like to send them back. > > 5. I tried to search for about 40 of the individuals on my 1000 > individual genealogy and found NONE of them. > Rob, I, too, have not found any of my names. Not even the ones I found at the FHC library. The collection is useless to me, too. Anita

re-write it and YOU get the money <G> Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Several of you have responded to my not-so-good-natured grumbling about the new Western Europe Vital Record CDs from the LDS Church with offers to purchase them. Thank you for being willing to take them off my hands, however, I have decided to donate them to my local FHC. It turns out after several days of looking into them that much of the material is new. In two ways both not yet on the IGI and more recent. Thus, if you need information about your great grandparents and are fortunate enough to be from one of the villages included, you might strike paydirt. This, of course, raises the disappointing prospect that new data abstracted from the records will not be added to the IGI but, instead, be sold on CDs. The difficulty with this is that one will not have a complete database to search. Rob Hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

I assumed the records would NOT be those already listed in the IGI but that turned out to be wrong. However, I do like the fact that you can search all the records from a particular town/village and also that a Film number is given as a reference. I have done a preliminary search for some of my folks and found a few families in neighboring villages that I was not aware of. I also located marriage records for two of them. Admittedly I was disappointed that there weren't more records for my area (near Kusel/Kaiserslautern) but I was happily surprised to find the matches that I did. I can understand your disappointment and that of others but as far as I'm concerned the $27 was worth it. Consider that it may be helpful to some people. Nancy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert E. Hausman" <hausman@bio.bu.edu> Subject: [PFALZ] FHC Vital Records CDs <snip> > Has anyone else looked into the collection? As I doubt I can get > my money back, I'd like to be convinced that the CDs might be > useful. >

Hallo Mathias, danke für die Tips. Nein, ich war in Aue noch nicht persönlich, glaube auch, das die heutigen Bewohner sich vermutlich nicht erinnern können. Ich hatte über das Bauamt versucht den damaligen Vermieter zu finden, ob es eventuell noch Mietverträge aus der damaligen Zeit gibt, aber auch das war negativ. Meintest Du mit Telekom - Archiv die Telefonnummern ? Bräuer gibt es in Deutschland ja so viele und ich kann nicht jeden anschreiben oder anrufen, oder gibt es noch ein anderes Archiv ? ( Über ehemalige Arbeiter ? ) Gruß aus HH Andrea

Liebe Listenteilnehmer, seit vielen Jahren bin ich auf der Suche nach Informationen über ARNO BRÄUER. Meine Großmutter wurde unehelich geboren, der Vater wurde auf der Geburtsurkunde nicht angegeben. Aber durch einige Zufälle, Postkarten und überlieferte Aussagen von Verwanten konnte ich einiges herausfinden. Meine Urgroßmutter Wilhelmine Hagen * 03.02.1890 in Waiglas / Grafengehaig ( Oberfranken ) kam im April 1916 nach Hamburg, meldete sich dann im Dezember 1916 nach Aachen ab. Über Aachen ist sie dann im März 1917 nach Diest / Belgien gegangen um dort eine Stellung bei dem Bahnhofswirt Richard Wecker anzunehmen. Im Februar 1918 meldete sie sich zurück in Hamburg und im Mai 1918 wurde ihre uneheliche Tochter ARNOMINE geboren. Arno Bräuer hielt sich vermutlich zwischen Juli und September 1917 ebenfalls in Diest auf, eine Anfrage an das Archiv in Diest blieb allerdings negativ, es konnten nur Informationen über den Bahnhofswirt gefunden werden. Arno Bräuer lebte mindestens seit 1922 in Aue / Erzgebirge, Goethestraße 24 und war von Beruf Telegrafenhandwerker. Vermutlich war er verheiratet mit Paula geb. ? und hatte noch eine Tochter mit dem Vornamen Inge, die 1930 in die Sandschule in Aue ging. Arnomine hat 1930 ihren leiblichen Vater in Aue besucht. Leider habe ich mit meinen Nachforschungen zu spät angefangen, da meine Urgroßmutter und Großmutter schon lange verstorben sind und ich von diesen keine Informationen mehr bekommen konnte. Da ich über Arno Bräuer nicht mehr als seinen Namen weiß und wo er 1930 lebte, schrieb ich an das Standesamt in Aue mit der Bitte der Sterbeurkunde. Aber bis zum Jahre 1980 wurde kein Sterbefall beurkundet. Die Kreismeldekartei von Aue beginnt erst im Jahre 1955 und auch dort taucht sein Name nicht mehr auf. Eine Suchanzeige im Auer Tageblatt blieb ebenfalls erfolglos, ebenso Anfragen an die zuständige Kirche und an die Schule. Ebenso schrieb ich an die Postdirektion in Dresden, aber auch dort exestieren keine Unterlagen. Vielleicht ist er ja auch im 2.Weltkrieg verstorben, aber auch das Bundesarchiv und weitere Stellen konnten mir nur Negative Bescheide zukommen lassen. Kann mir vielleicht jemand noch Tips geben, wo ich noch suchen könnte ? Wo ich noch Suchanzeigen aufgeben kann ? Ich benötige ja zumindest die Sterbeurkunde des Arno Bräuers um weitere Nachforschungen anzustellen. Vielen Dank für Ihre Aufmerksamkeit. Mit freundlichen Grüßen aus Hamburg Andrea Zaage

I understood the set of CD's were the same info found on www.familysearch.org. However, one could use them in a different manner: eg: useful for searching info by town location, but mainly speedier than internet or to avoid trip to FHC... 21 cd's $27 a bargain...Sorry you are so disappointed....I am awaiting mine but don't expect too much---especially now. Florence

Does anyone know of a town, city, or area, known as Ellsworth, in Lorain. My uncle, Joseph Deichler, was born in Ellsworth, Lorain, Germany, according to his U.S. World War Draft Card. Would like info on Ellsworth. Joseph Deichler's father was Josef Deichler, and his mother was Margaret Spingler. I would also like to get info on the Deichler and Spingler families. Thanks in advance - Jim Pearce

Hi All, I am LDS, I have Worked there, and Know the System.. I AM NO PRO.. but this is something I DO KNOW about... LDS has SO many records.. The woman had a Question regarding FILM availablitiy on IGI and other LDS refferences.. The REASON there are Films is that People have been able to Get some ORIGINAL Records onto FILM..... MANYYYY of the records provided through the FHC, are from People like you and I who Go to the FHC and INPUT the Information to the System.... THOSE records are FULL of Errors because many people just THINK they know what is right,do not use documentation, only the information they put together... Use the INFORMATION as a SOURCE to lead you to REAL information and documentation... Never Assume any CD with thousands of people on them, or Web pages Full of Giant Families.. Are ACCURATE. they may be, some of us go to great detail and expense to Verify the information we post, but even I get Corrections on Families I have on the web... No One is Perfect, as well as the information they submit... If someone has Something that REALLY looks like it's Valid.. Simply Write to the source and Question what they did to get documantation.. Internet is nice, but Written letters Still have alot more hlep.. LDS records ALL have the same thing.. LOOK at the Source, see how many people have submitted the SAME information.. it could all have come from ONE wrong source.. you can Write to LDS Submitters also.. And the NEW format on LDS site is not received very well, so expect further Change.. If and When you go to a FHC.. Write out a Specific Plan of research.. Who you need info on and what information you need from it.. Go there with a Limited Goal.. Because they are often Staffed with volunteers, and sometimes they DO NOT know too much about the place they are doing thier CALLING for at church.. the More information you have... the easier it is for you to help yourself, when you run into a volunteer who isn't helpful... ALSO.... PLEASE look at the FICHE in the FHC's.. You can find ALOT of information in those that will lead you to FILM ROLLS that have ACTUALL REAL RECORDS.. and not just Person submitted.. Cali's German PA, Genealogy http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Falls/3610 I will be putting an updated page at rootsweb soon..There are some errors in the first page I need to remove, or fix.. Thanks,Cali {{{HUGS}}}} ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Several months ago, I was part of a series of queries about what might be on the newly advertised CD collection of Western European Vital Records from the FHC. No one really knew and the description when it did come out was not particularly useful. Ever hopeful, I ordered them and, aafter a few hours of playing with them, would really like to send them back. I am hoping someone can tell me I am wrong. However, here is my first impression. 1. One concern of mine and also of others was whether there would be records that were not already on the IGS. We all hoped that to be the case. It does not look that was to me as every collection of records has a Film number next to it. 2. It is only a very limited selection of Films. For example, for Kirchheimbolanden in the Pfalz there is only one or perhaps a few of the many Catholic, Lutheran and Reformed films that were put on the CD. 3. It's hard to draw any conclusions for Hesse-Nassau as there are records for only four villages and only one of them is for before the 19th century. Of course, this simply parallels the scarcity of IGI records for Hesse when compared to the Pfalz or Rhineland. 4. As you might expect from the collection title, "Vital Records," it is heavily weighed to the 19th century. From my perspective, this severely limits its usefulness. 5. I tried to search for about 40 of the individuals on my 1000 individual genealogy and found NONE of them. Has anyone else looked into the collection? As I doubt I can get my money back, I'd like to be convinced that the CDs might be useful. Rob Hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

I did forward your email to, two different locations that are members of the Morman Church and work at the Family History Centers.

Hello listeners, my name is Ralf Mack. I live with my family in Frankfurt/Main / Germany. My GGrandmother Thekla Maria Wagner is born in Landstuhl. I am searching her ancestors and relations in Landstuhl and the region around Landstuhl. Is there anybody who is saerching the same names ? If yes, pls. feel free to contact me. I am very interested in comparing and sharing. I am searching in Landstuhl: WAGNER, WESTRICH, STUTZINGER, MORENT, PLETSCH, EBERLING, MÄß (MEES), SANDER, NOLL, RUNDE, MANGOLD, THUM, RAUCH, GOLDINGER, PALLMANN, MARCK ( MARCK also in Niederwiesen) I am saerching in Kindsbach: REICHEL, THUM I am searching in Kaiserslautern: WESTRICH I am saerching in Hauptstuhl: MÄß (MEES), NOLL I am searching in Bann: MÜLLER, SCHRANZ, NICK and KRÄMER Best regards Ralf Mack / Frankfurt/Main / Germany

Hello listener, two brothers and sisters of my great-grandmother Thekla Maria Wagner emigrated at the beginning of the twentieth century to the USA. Probably to Chicago. After the death of my grandmother I unfortunately do not know where their descendant lives now. I would take up very gladly contact to them ! Can someone give me information to them ? Can I determine it without exact emigration year where they emigrated ? I would be pleased much, if someone could give me for this information or advises how to research in such a case. Here are the information which I have: Emma Wilhelmine WAGNER b. 11.11.1882 Landstuhl d. in Racine /Wisconsin. She was a member of religious roman catholic order. Her name in the order was Maria Salesia. Jakob Franz WAGNER b. 8.1.1885 Landstuhl, d. 6.10.1951 in Chicago, m. Martha ? Their children were: Jack, Norbert and Brunhilde. Brunhilde was married with Leonhard Nystrom. They have a son: Donie Nystrom. Best regards from Frankfurt/Main / Germany Ralf Mack

I have been able to trace my gggrandfather and gggrandmother to Einollen in Pflaz. Their marriage certificate states that Casper Spitzner, son of Josef Spitzner and Maria Cathrina Rhosev married Barbara Schumacher daughter of Peter Schumacher and Cathrina Muller on January 1, 1832. If any one is tracing or has information on these individuals, I would be most interested and willing to share the information that I have. Everett Spitzner Retired Gentleman of Leisure PADI Certified Open Water Scuba Diver everettspitzner@mediaone.net 630 627 1273

Hello Everyone: I have just found the month and birth of my 3rd great Grandmother. She died in Buffalo, NY at the age of 74 11/12 years old on January 2, 1894. Would anyone have in their records: Catherine NAUMANN born abt Jan/Feb 1819 in Namborn or Bliesen, Germany Thanks, Johnna St. Clair