Here are a few responses to my inquiry about the "Germans to America" series. Kathy - --------------------------------- The column for place of birth on the Germans to America that shows "000". If you will read the introduction to this series, the authors explain that the material for these volumes was taken from the Passenger Manifests that the US Government required the master of ships bringing in people, to provide the Immigration Service a list of its passengers with the other data. So when the "Purser" on later ships, whose duty was to do this, did not assertain the village of origin of the passenger he put in "000". In earlier times, the First or Second Mate had to do this job, and again the same reason for putting in "000" for the village of origin when the immigrant was asked. Frequently the recording person found that the name of the village was too long to put on the space on the manifest, he put "000". Al and Margaret - ---------------------------------------- Here are a couple of web pages that discuss some of the problems with the GERMANS TO AMERICA series: http://www.uni-oldenburg.de/nausa/pitfal.htm http://www.genealogienetz.de/gene/misc/emig/gta-revu.html Brian - --------------------------------------- In our previous e-mail we forgot to mention that the Germans to America series was transcribed from microfilms of the actual handwritten Manifests. Any time transcriptions are made from source microfims, the authors caution that many of the 35mm microfilms of the Manifests were difficult to decipher. Al and Margaret

Hello all-- I recently found a Bavarian town designation for my emigrant ancestor in a Kirchenbuch for an Evangelical church founded by German emigrants in Audrain County, MO. The town is listed as "LISTERSCHIED", Fz(?)Bayern. I have found no such town listed on any map -- present day or prior to reunification. Does anyone have any ideas on what Bavarian town the name "LISTERSCHIED" might be indicating? Thanks for any and all input -- Paul Kieffaber

Unfortunately the people who replied to you aren't that generous. None replied to the list. Would you please summarize what they said. Thanks, bob gillis bigelow wrote: > > Thank you to the generous people who wrote in response to my inquiry. I > will check out the info sent. >

Thank you to the generous people who wrote in response to my inquiry. I will check out the info sent. Kathy

Kathey Bigelow wrote concerning Germans to America: > My ancestor had the OOO designation for his village of > origin and I know that Obermoellrich has not been one > of the villages mentioned in my research of this > ancestor. Has anyone else noticed this > discrepancy/contradiction? This is one of the known flaws of the Germans to America series, that 000 (zero zero zero) and O00 (oh zero zero) look alike in the font used for the book (and are easily confused in almost any font). 000 means no origin listed, O00 means Obermoellrich. Worse yet, GtA can list 000 even when the original passenger arrival list clearly gives a place (or at least state) of origin. Always go to the original list! And if the departure was from Hamburg, always go to the Hamburg list as well! -- =Jim Eggert EggertJ@crosswinds.net

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I am confused about the first 4-5 volumes of the "Germans to America" series. I noticed that in Volumes 1 & 2 there is no real designation given to 'Unknown Village' of the immigrants in the key. In the key at the beginning of Volumes 3 & 4, OOO is the designation for 'Unknown Village'. In Volumes 1, 2, 3, & 4, OOO is also the designation for the village Obermoellrich when it is mentioned. I have noticed in these 4 volumes that there are many immigrants with the village designation OOO. It is my belief that all these hundreds of people could not have possibly come from this one village. My ancestor had the OOO designation for his village of origin and I know that Obermoellrich has not been one of the villages mentioned in my research of this ancestor. Has anyone else noticed this discrepancy/contradiction? Would someone please explain how to understand and decipher this information in the "Germans to America"? Thank you, Kathy

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My Great (5) Grandfather Johannes Syffer/Seifen was born in Mehren, Westerwald, about 1700. Is there anyone who would know if there are post cards or picture books, pamphlets of Mehren/Flammersfeld? Please let me know the cost of materials and mailing. Anyone who can help me learn more about my German Syffer/Seifen family or direct me to someone who can, is most appreciated! Please contact me at sypherjr@cfw.com Thanks for taking the time to reply! John

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My husband was born in Hoppstaedten-Weiersbach, Rheinland-Phalz, Germany. His father was stationed there with the Army. We have his birth record from the state dept. Apparently, a child born on foreign soil is given 2 birth certificates - one US and one from the country where the birth occurred. We would like to obtain a copy of his German birth certificate, but have no idea how to accomplish this. Any help would be appreciated. Lori Browning

Philip Jacob, Catherine, and Peter WÜST, siblings to Johann Christoph and Margaretha RAPP WÜST. Philip Jacob, born 19 Jan 1774, Dierbach, Rhinland-Pfalz. Catherina, born 26 Dec. 1770, Dierbach, Rhinland-Pfalz. Peter, born 30 Sept. 1787, Dierbach, Rhinland-Pfalz. I am looking for the marriage record for Phillip Jacob. He was living in Dierbach in 1809, re: Peter`s marriage record. I believe there may be a problem finding it because of the Napoleonic War ( destroyed ). Peter got married in Drachenbraun, Bas Rhin to Elizabeth MAUER. I think Catherina married Carl GEIGER Will appreciate any small led to look for this record. Richard

The official German telephone directory is at http://www.teleauskunft.de/ - slow loading :-( Winfrid Liebrich Pam schrieb: > >To some, this may be a dumb question. To others like me, it is not. Is > >there an on-line telephone directory for Germany? > > Go to http://www.teldir.com/eng/ and click on the Germany link. This is a > page which lists telephone directories all over the world. > > Pam > pamw2@fuse.net > http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/6771/

>To some, this may be a dumb question. To others like me, it is not. Is >there an on-line telephone directory for Germany? Go to http://www.teldir.com/eng/ and click on the Germany link. This is a page which lists telephone directories all over the world. Pam pamw2@fuse.net http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Woods/6771/

To some, this may be a dumb question. To others like me, it is not. Is there an on-line telephone directory for Germany? Your helpful spirit has made this list very informative and enjoyable; I've learned a great deal. Obviously, there is much still to learn! To those of you who celebrate Thanksgiving, may it be a day of true blessings and thanksgiving thereof! Betty G

Hello, there was a Groß Toitin in the Prussian province Pommern, district of Stettin, county of Demmin with 227 inhabitants registered in the census of May 27, 1939. Gross Toitin could perhaps be abreviated to Grosstoitin -> Grosstitin -> Grosstizin -> Grotizin. Who knows ? Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graves" <ymgl4@sprintmail.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2000 12:48 AM Subject: [PFALZ] Otremba from Grotizin, Germany > I am researching Martha Otremba born 11-Sep-1870 in Grotizin, Germany. > Can anyone tell me where this place is. Her mother was Anna Hesch and > her father was Johann Otremba from Grotizin, Prussia. > > Any help is greatly appreciated. > > Yvonne

Yvonne and Rob, The name Otremba does appear in the LDS IGI and the LDS Ancestral File. There are 4 listed in the IGI from Germany and all are from Schwarzenau, Westpreussen and were born/baptised from 1813 to 1824. Of the two in the LDS Ancestral File, one (whose birthplace is identified as "Mn") of their spouses was born in "Chonic, Porrussia". ShtetlSeeker does show a GERTHAUSEN and a GRIETHAUSEN in Germany today that are also somewhat phonetically similar. In addition, there is a KROTOSHIN in the Ukraine. >Date: Tue, 21 Nov 2000 20:53:10 -0500 >From: "Robert E. Hausman" <hausman@bio.bu.edu> >To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Otremba from Grotizin, Germany > >As you likely know, you have an interesting question. If you >put Grotizen into the Shtetlseeker search engine you turn up no really >good match, the best being Groothusen which hardly qualifies as Prussia, >even in 1870 and through the fog of some immigration agent's >perception of Germany. > >While perhaps other will have a better idea, my best guess is that your >translation is faulty. While I could be wrong, neither Grotizin nor Otremba >sound particularly Germanic. > >Rob Hausman > >At 05:48 PM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >>I am researching Martha Otremba born 11-Sep-1870 in Grotizin, Germany. >>Can anyone tell me where this place is. Her mother was Anna Hesch and >>her father was Johann Otremba from Grotizin, Prussia. >> >>Any help is greatly appreciated. >> >>Yvonne > -- mailto:fhheld@netzero.net _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

I am looking for information about Jakob Zimmer, a Mennonite born January 27, 1821 in Bavaria (probably the Pfalz). Jakob married Katherine Beckler / Bächler in Waterloo Co., Ontario, Canada in 1851 and they subsequently lived in Henry County, Iowa, Kansas and Nebraska. Thanks for any information or tips!

Yvonne, you wrote: >I am researching Martha Otremba born 11-Sep-1870 in Grotizin, Germany. >Can anyone tell me where this place is. Her mother was Anna Hesch and >her father was Johann Otremba from Grotizin, Prussia. On the other hand, if you are willing to consider Poland, there are a number of places that turn up with name that phonetically could sound like Grotizin. Try: www.jewishgen.org and do the town search. If one of those seems reasonable, you might try the Prussian rootsweb list. Rob hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

As you likely know, you have an interesting question. If you put Grotizen into the Shtetlseeker search engine you turn up no really good match, the best being Groothusen which hardly qualifies as Prussia, even in 1870 and through the fog of some immigration agent's perception of Germany. While perhaps other will have a better idea, my best guess is that your translation is faulty. While I could be wrong, neither Grotizin nor Otremba sound particularly Germanic. Rob Hausman At 05:48 PM 11/21/00 -0600, you wrote: >I am researching Martha Otremba born 11-Sep-1870 in Grotizin, Germany. >Can anyone tell me where this place is. Her mother was Anna Hesch and >her father was Johann Otremba from Grotizin, Prussia. > >Any help is greatly appreciated. > >Yvonne > > >==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== >Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to >http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html >to unsubscribe ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS