For the period 1717-1727 I am searching for names and arrival dates for ships from Holland (usually Rotterdam) carrying German-speakers from the Pfalz to Philadelphia. For those years I can only identify five 1727 ships beginning when passenger lists were first required. After that time, of course, the searching gets somewhat easier. Can anyone suggest other known ships or arrival dates for their 1717-26 emigrant Pfalz ancestors and their groups? All leads are greatly appreciated. Sep 18 1727 WILLIAM AND SARAH Sep 27 1727 JAMES GOODWILL Sep 30 1727 MOLLY Oct 2 1727 ADVENTURE Oct 16 1727 FRIENDSHIP Many thanks, David ___________ David Roland Reston, Virginia

Thanks for the friendly greetings, my guess is that your ancestors came from Blatzheim and/or Kerpen both located in the Niederrhein region which is not a political area but a geographical. Blatzheim is now-a-days a suburb of the municipality Kerpen, ZIP code 50171 and Kerpen itsself belongs to the federal state of Nordrhein-Westfalen. So what ? Blatzheim and Kerpen are located halfway Koeln- Dueren. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Wells" <doredad@foothills.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 05, 2000 4:46 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Niedderrhein > Greetings to all. I am a new member of the group and I have need help(surprise!). I have recently organized a family heritage tour of southwestern Germany for the Auxier family of East Kentucky. For generations we thought we were French(a long story), but have discovered that our name was originally "Axer" and our ancestors Christian and Johann Michael Axer lived in Armsheim in Pfalz-Hessen in the early 1700's. However, "Axer" is not a common name in that area and I was told that the family came to that town after the Thirty Years War from "Neiderrhein." A check of the available church records reveals that the "Axer" family was concentrated around the tons of Kerpen and Blatzheim. However, from my limited knowledge, Blatzheim and Kerpen were never in the Niedderrhein? Right? Help! > > Sincerely, > John B. Wells III > Paintsville, Kentucky > 4th great grandson of Johann Michael Axer(now spelled "Auxier") > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe >

My great grandfather was Jacob B. Utsinger. He was born on 15 February, 1857. On his death certificate in 1938, it states he was born in "Martinsville", Germany and that his mother was Eva Maypryor. Obviously, both the location and mothers surname have been Americanized. Any clues on where and how to proceed to find the German name of Martinsville? Jacob immigrated to the US in 1857 at the age of 3 months with his father, Adam or Johann, and his mother above.

I am interested in learning the history of the ruined fortress of Wegelnburg near Schönau and Nothweiler in the Rheinland-Pfalz. I have been told that my ancestor "Mr. Kuntz" (1490-1560), son of Hennen Kuntz, was a forester in the Wegelnburg area of the Wasgau region. Does anyone know who the family or families were who occupied this fortress and if they would have hired foresters. Any information will be really appreciated. Lowell Kuntz

Have attempted to trace my ggggrandmother, Susan Elizabeth Hodem. I found information that she came from 'Finkenbach, Bavaria'. She married Valentin Emmrich who was from Ilbesheim, near Kirschheimbolanden, Bavaria. Did find the 2 villages on the map, although Finkenbach-Gersweiler appears to be her actual village name. They do not seem to be too far apart, and therefore logical that they could have met. She was born on February 5, 1803, and they had already married and emigrated in 1843, since Valentine helped to found a church in Columbus during that year. Every year at this season, I make 5 very traditional Christmas cookies from recipes that had been handed down (assumption:) through my female line. Some of the cookies are Springerles, Pfeffernusse, Lebkuchen (molasses based), and Zimt Sterne and one called Vanilla Strips (although one lady called them Russian strips.) The recipes are incredibly simple - no baking powder, no modern adaptations etc. Can anyone - perhaps in Germany - help me determine how old these recipes are, find other recipes that come from the same area, and how authentic/old any of them are. Fifteen years ago, I shared some of the cookies with an old German baker who was working in Cleveland, OH. He was nearly in tears when I returned to his shop, and he said that my cookies were the ones of his childhood! Have the modern German version of the cookies changed that much? Is this still a big tradition in Germany today - (other than Lebkuchen, which everyone seems to know.)? Any help historically on the Christmas cookies will be greatly appreciated. Regards, Nancy _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

Niedderhein - that is not correct. It is Nordrhein (North Rheinland). I have not seen any other source saying Niedderrhein or even Niederrhein for that matter. a quick check at http://maps.expedia.com/pub/agent.dll shows Blatzheim is in state of Nordrhein-Westfalen and Kerpen in two states - Nordrhein-Westfalen and Rheinland-Pfalz Kerpen (Nordrhein-Westfalen) is located right off west side of "A61" and south of "A4" freeways and Blatzheim is right west of Kerpen so I am betting on Nordrhein-Westfalen location. Both are south of Dusseldorf and downriver from Koblenz. David John Wells wrote: > > Greetings to all. I am a new member of the group and I have need help(surprise!). I have recently organized a family heritage tour of southwestern Germany for the Auxier family of East Kentucky. For generations we thought we were French(a long story), but have discovered that our name was originally "Axer" and our ancestors Christian and Johann Michael Axer lived in Armsheim in Pfalz-Hessen in the early 1700's. However, "Axer" is not a common name in that area and I was told that the family came to that town after the Thirty Years War from "Neiderrhein." A check of the available church records reveals that the "Axer" family was concentrated around the tons of Kerpen and Blatzheim. However, from my limited knowledge, Blatzheim and Kerpen were never in the Niedderrhein? Right? Help! > > Sincerely, > John B. Wells III

John, you wrote: >" I have recently organized a family heritage tour of southwestern Germany >for the Auxier family of East Kentucky. For generations we thought we were >French(a long story), but have discovered that our name was originally >"Axer" and our ancestors Christian and Johann Michael Axer lived in >Armsheim in Pfalz-Hessen in the early 1700's. However, "Axer" is not a >common name in that area and I was told that the family came to that town >after the Thirty Years War from "Neiderrhein." A check of the available >church records reveals that the "Axer" family was concentrated around the >tons of Kerpen and Blatzheim. However, from my limited knowledge, >Blatzheim and Kerpen were never in the Niedderrhein? Right? Help!" I will leave to others determining just what is and is not in the Niederrhein at any given time in history. However, Axer does not appear to be an uncommon name to me. A quick plug of "Christain Axer" into www.familysearch.org yields the following: International Genealogical Index - Germany 1. Christian AXER - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Marriage: 24 Jul 1742 Evangelisch, Kriegsfeld, Pfalz, Bayern 2. Christian Wilhelm AX - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Birth: 9 Mar 1862 Steeden, Hessen N., Preussen 3. Christian AX - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Birth: 16 Jun 1823 Steeden, Hessen N., Preussen 4. Christian AX - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Birth: 16 Jun 1823 Steeden, Hessen, Preussen 5. Christian Wilhelm AX - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Birth: 9 Mar 1862 Steeden, Hessen-Nassau, Preussen 6. Xtianus AXER - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Christening: 16 Apr 1681 Katholisch, Binsfeld Dueren, Rheinland, Preussen 7. Christian AXER - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Christening: 28 Dec 1713 Katholisch, Brenig, Rheinland, Preussen 8. Christianus AXER - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Christening: 6 Jan 1715 Katholisch, Binsfeld Dueren, Rheinland, Preussen 9. Christian AXER - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Christening: 5 Apr 1723 Katholisch, Binsfeld Dueren, Rheinland, Preussen 10. Christianus AXER - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Christening: 23 Jun 1750 Katholisch, Bergheim Erft, Rheinland, Preussen 11. Christian AXEN - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Christening: 14 Sep 1770 Sankt Peter Stadt, Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen 12. CHRISTIAN AXER - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Marriage: 1656 Evangelisch, Rheydt, Rheinland, Preussen 13. Christian AXER - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Marriage: 9 Jan 1832 Civil, Euskirchen, Rheinland, Preussen 14. Christian AX - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Marriage: 1847 Riesenkirch, Westpreussen, Preussen 15. Christian Iven AXEN - International Genealogical Index/GE Gender: M Marriage: 13 Dec 1868 Garding, Schleswig-Holstein, Preussen Have you followed any or all of these up? Rob Hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

Greetings to all. I am a new member of the group and I have need help(surprise!). I have recently organized a family heritage tour of southwestern Germany for the Auxier family of East Kentucky. For generations we thought we were French(a long story), but have discovered that our name was originally "Axer" and our ancestors Christian and Johann Michael Axer lived in Armsheim in Pfalz-Hessen in the early 1700's. However, "Axer" is not a common name in that area and I was told that the family came to that town after the Thirty Years War from "Neiderrhein." A check of the available church records reveals that the "Axer" family was concentrated around the tons of Kerpen and Blatzheim. However, from my limited knowledge, Blatzheim and Kerpen were never in the Niedderrhein? Right? Help! Sincerely, John B. Wells III Paintsville, Kentucky 4th great grandson of Johann Michael Axer(now spelled "Auxier")

>My great grandfather was Jacob B. Utsinger. He was born on 15 February, 1857. On his death certificate in 1938, it states he was born in "Martinsville", Germany and that his mother was Eva Maypryor. Obviously, both the location and mothers surname have been Americanized. > >Any clues on where and how to proceed to find the German name of Martinsville? Jacob immigrated to the US in 1857 at the age of 3 months with his father, Adam or Johann, and his mother above. This is going to be a semi-educated guess... ville = weiler in German. The weiler suffix appears primarily in southwestern Germany. I would try Martinweiler or Martinsweiler. The town may not even exist, but it's worth a try. Joe (a descendent of Michael Trierweiler and Maria Longen of the District of Trier, Germany) -------------------

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Caramail_025942975950892_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello I am new on the list and I would need your assistance. (I beg your pardon, but I speak just a little bit English, just for survival=85) I seek the ancestors of Jakob LANGOLF who settled in Bergheim, in Alsace, into 1668. It was married in Anna WEBER and they had already a first sohn, Hans Jakob, when they settled in Bergheim In spite of years of search, I did not find the least trace of their origin. I supposed a long time that the LANGOLF are originating in Switzerland, in the canton of Bern, or of the LANGOLF / LANDOLF / LANGDOLF live since at least 1380. Alas, I never could show their helvetic origin... Lately, I had the occasion to find information on LANDOLF, which lived Altdorf, in Neckerkreis, in Bade Wurtemberg. One finds there as of 1595 on an old microfilm of the Mormons the name of Hans LANDOLF. In 1595, a Barbara LANDOLF maried with Hans BERNER (? from Bern, in Switzerland?). Then, during more than one hundred years, no any trace (on the microfilm) of the LANDOLF, which return abruptly in 1720 LANGDOLPH, in the same village. Is this normal, or the Mormons copied only what interested them? One finds also a LANDOLL Hans Michael, born the 26.08.1666 in Bergzabern, Pfalz, sohn of Georg Ernst LANDOLL and Anna Margarethe (...?) In 1691, one finds for the first time mention of my patronym LANGOLF in D=F6rrenbach, a small village on 2 kilometers of Bergzabern. At the time of the marriage of LANGOLF Theodorus and Rosina GEHL. Then, the LANGOLF made stock with D=F6rrenbach, then later, in Kandel, just at side. " to colonize " then all Germany (approximately 700 people today). Problem, the registers of D=F6rrenbach start only into 1690. Before this date, how to find if the LANGOLF did live already the commune? Here, you know now all. In short, I seek least additional information on this patronym LANGOLF, LANDOLL, LANDOLFF, LANGDOLPH. If you have a track, even tiniest, you are welcome. I would also like to come into contact with historians or genealogists of these areas which I have just quoted (Pfalz, Baden Wurtemberg)=85 Of course, all these steps will not inevitably allow me to find the ancestors of Jakob LANGOLF of Bergheim, perhaps but that will put to me on a track. With the advance, I wish to thank you for your assistance and your contest. I wish you with all the merry ones and happy Chrismas and Happy New Year... Patrick Langolf Guten Tag Ich bin neu auf der Liste, und ich ben=F6tigte Ihrer Hilfe. Ich suche die Vorfahren von Jakob LANGOLF, der sich an Bergheim im Elsa=DF in 1668 installiert hat. Er war mit Anna WEBER verheiratet, und sie hatten bereits schon ein ersten Sohn, Hans Jakob, wenn sie sich in Bergheim installiert haben. Trotz Jahre Forschungsarbeiten habe ich die geringste Spur ihres Ursprungs nicht gefunden. Ich habe lange Zeit angenommen, da=DF die LANGOLF aus der Schweiz stammen, vom Kanton Bern, wo LANGOLF/LANDOLF/LANGDOLF seit wenigstens 1380 wohnen. Leider konnte ich nie den Beweis ihres Schweizerisches Ursprungs erbringen... Letzlich habe ich die Gelegenheit gehabt, eine Auskunft =FCber LANDOLF zu finden, die Altdorf im Neckerkreis im Baden W=FCrttemberg gewohnt haben. Man findet dort ab 1595, laut einem alten Mikrofilm der Mormonen, einen Hans LANDOLF. In 1595 heiratet eine Barbara LANDOLF einen Hans BERNER (? von Bern in der Schweiz?). Dann w=E4hrend mehr als hundert Jahre gab es keine Spur (auf dem Mikrofilm) der LANDOLF mehr, die pl=F6tzlich in 1720 LANGDOLPH ins selbe Dorf zur=FCckkommen. Ist es normal, oder die Mormonen haben nur kopiert, was sie interessierte? Man findet auch LANDOLL Hans Michael, der am 26.08.1666 an Bergzabern, Pfalz, Sohn von Georg Ernst LANDOLL und von Anna Margarethe geboren ist (...?) . In 1691 findet man zum ersten Erw=E4hnungsmal meines LANGOLF-Familiennamens an D=F6rrenbach, 2 Kilometer Bergzabern entfernt. Bei der Ehe von LANGOLF Theodorus und von Rosina GEHL. Danach machten die LANGOLF Stamm an D=F6rrenbach, dann sp=E4ter an Kandel soeben an seitens. Um danach ganz Deutschland "zu kolonisieren" (ungef=E4hr 700 Personen heute). Problem, die Verzeichnisse von D=F6rrenbach beginnen nur in 1690. Vor diesem Datum wie kann man finden, wenn die LANGOLF bereits die Gemeinde wohnten? Da wissen Sie jetzt alles. Zusammenfassend suche ich die geringste zus=E4tzliche Information =FCber diesen Familiennamen LANGOLF, LANDOLL, LANDOLFF, LANGDOLPH. Wenn Sie eine Spur haben ,sogar am geringf=FCgigsten, sind Sie willkommen. Ich m=F6chte auch Kontakt mit Historikern oder Genealogisten (Familienforschern) von diesen Regionen aufnehmen, die ich soeben zitiert habe (Pfalz, Baden W=FCrttemberg) Nat=FCrlich alle dieses Vorgehen werden mir nicht notgedrungen erlauben werden, die Vorfahren von Jakob LANGOLF von Bergheim wiederzufinden, aber das wird mich vielleicht auf einer Spur stellen. Im voraus m=F6chte ich Ihnen f=FCr Ihre Hilfe und Ihre Wettbewerbe zu danken. Ich w=FCnsche an Ihnen allen fr=F6hlicher und guter Jahresendfeste... Patrick langolf Bonjour Je suis nouveau sur la liste et j=92aurais besoin de votre aide. Je recherche les anc=EAtres de Jakob LANGOLF qui s=92est install=E9 =E0 Bergheim, en Alsace, en 1668. Il =E9tait mari=E9 =E0 Anna WEBER et ils avaient d=E9j=E0 un premier fils, Hans Jakob, quand ils se sont install=E9s =E0 Bergheim. Malgr=E9 des ann=E9es de recherches, je n=92ai pas trouv=E9 la moindre trace de leur origine. J=92ai longtemps pr=E9sum=E9 que les LANGOLF sont originaires de Suisse, dans le canton de Berne, ou des LANGOLF/ LANDOLF/ LANGDOLF habitent depuis au moins 1380. H=E9las, je n=92ai jamais pu faire la preuve de leur origine h=E9lv=E9tique=85 Derni=E8rement, j=92ai eu l=92occasion de trouver des renseignement sur des LANDOLF, qui ont habit=E9 Altdorf, dans le Neckerkreis, dans le Bade Wurtemberg. On y trouve d=E8s 1595 sur un ancien microfilm des Mormons un Hans LANDOLF. En 1595, une Barbara LANDOLF se marie avec un Hans BERNER ( ? de Berne, en Suisse ?). Puis, pendant plus de cent ans, plus aucune trace (sur le microfilm) des LANDOLF, qui reviennent brusquement en 1720 LANGDOLPH, dans le m=EAme village. Est-ce normal, ou les Mormons n=92ont copi=E9s que ce qui les int=E9ressait ? On trouve aussi un LANDOLL Jans Michael, n=E9 le 26.08.1666 =E0 Bergzabern, Pfalz, fils de Georg Ernst LANDOLL et de Anna Margarethe (=85 ?) . En 1691, on trouve pour la premi=E8re fois mention de mon patronyme LANGOLF =E0 D=F6rrenbach, =E0 2 kilom=E8tres de Bergzabern. Lors du mariage de LANGOLF Theodorus et de Rosina GEHL. Ensuite, les LANGOLF ont fait souche =E0 D=F6rrenbach, puis plus tard, =E0 Kandel, juste =E0 c=F4t=E9. Pour =AB coloniser =BB ensuite toute l=92Allemagne (environ 700 personnes aujourd=92hui). Probl=E8me, les registres de D=F6rrenbach ne commencent qu=92en 1690. Avant cette date, comment trouver si les LANGOLF habitaient d=E9j=E0 la commune ? Voil=E0, vous savez tout. En r=E9sum=E9, je recherche la moindre information suppl=E9mentaire sur ce patronyme LANGOLF, LANDOLL , LANDOLFF, LANGDOLPH. Si vous avez une piste, m=EAme la plus minime, vous =EAtes le bienvenu. J=92aimerais aussi entrer en contact avec des historiens ou des g=E9n=E9alogistes de ces r=E9gions que je viens de citer (Pfalz, Baden Wurtemberg).. Bien s=FBr, toutes ces d=E9marches ne me permettrons pas forc=E9ment de retrouver les anc=EAtres de Jakob LANGOLF de Bergheim, mais cela me mettra peut-=EAtre sur une piste. A l=92avance, je souhaite vous remercier pour votre aide et votre concours. Je vous souhaite =E0 tous de joyeuses et bonnes f=EAtes de fin d=92ann=E9e=85 Patrick Langolf ______________________________________________________ Bo=EEte aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com --=_NextPart_Caramail_025942975950892_ID--

Leni wrote: >My gggfather VALENTIM BUCH born in brunsvick maybe 1797 dead in 1815. fight in waterloo combat, receved Gra cross of iron maried henreitte miers and have five sons. Henriete came to Brazil in 1852 after dead os Valentim. my questions are: Where brunsvick? Waterloo? Is germany? I guess you are on the wrong list here, and need to try to the Niedersachsen List, because Brunswick is the English name for Braunschweig. Waterloo refers to the Battle of Waterloo ((June 18, 1815) where Napoleon was finally beaten by the forces led by Wellington. Wasn't the Iron Cross a Prussian medal, anyone?? (Of course the dates you gave seem rather suspicious, - born...maybe 1797 dead in 1815 - since he was only wounded at Waterloo, then went on to marry and have five sons.:-) Good luck. Carol

Leni, This record is in the LDS IGI: Valentin BUCH Christening: 20 Jan 1796 Evangelisch, Hassloch, Pfalz, Bayern Father: Johannes BUCH Mother: Catharina Could this be your man? >Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 15:35:04 -0200 >From: "fabio" <fabiom@tecsat.com.br> >To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PFALZ] buch surname > >Hi, >i need a help. >My gggfather VALENTIM BUCH born in brunsvick maybe 1797 dead in 1815. fight in waterloo combat, receved Gra cross of iron maried henreitte miers and have five sons. Henriete came to Brazil in 1852 after dead os Valentim. >my questions are: Where brunsvick? Waterloo? Is germany? >Where I can see about condecorations of this time? >He are wonded in combat, so , in what local I can see mora about this? >Thanks for attention, >My name: >Leni Buch >>From Brazil >e-mail: fabiom@tecsat.com.br > -- mailto:fhheld@netzero.net ____________NetZero Free Internet Access and Email_________ Download Now http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html Request a CDROM 1-800-333-3633 ___________________________________________________________

Is anyone else researching the surname KIEREN? Sally Kieren

Hi, i need a help. My gggfather VALENTIM BUCH born in brunsvick maybe 1797 dead in 1815. fight in waterloo combat, receved Gra cross of iron maried henreitte miers and have five sons. Henriete came to Brazil in 1852 after dead os Valentim. my questions are: Where brunsvick? Waterloo? Is germany? Where I can see about condecorations of this time? He are wonded in combat, so , in what local I can see mora about this? Thanks for attention, My name: Leni Buch >From Brazil e-mail: fabiom@tecsat.com.br

I am trying to find out some information about Michael Kutzner who left Germany in 1752, believe he sailed on the Neptune. The only information we have on him in Germany is he was from the Palinate upon the Rhine. If anyone could advise how I could find any information this far back, I would really appreciate it. We know every move he made once he landed in the US. Know nothing of his life, family & etc. in Germany. Thank you in advance. Glenna Tolliver

Glenna, you wrote: >I am trying to find out some information about Michael Kutzner who left >Germany in 1752, believe he sailed on the Neptune. The only information >we have on him in Germany is he was from the Palinate upon the Rhine. If >anyone could advise how I could find any information this far back, I >would really appreciate it. We know every move he made once he landed in >the US. Know nothing of his life, family & etc. in Germany. Thank you >in advance. Glenna- As just about everyone on the list will tell you, unless you are lucky enough to find someone who has done the work for you (I presume that you have searched for Kutzner genealogies on the internet), you will have to find the village where your ancestor lived. There is much information prior to 1752, it simply gets sparser and less reliable as you go back. A quick look at www.familysearch.org turns up three entries, granted none spelled just like you have it. However, spelling of the surname is one of the most likely things to change with immigration and the data in the IGI is not particularly reliable on that matter to begin with. Have you investigated these three names? If your ancestor really originated from the Palatinate, that might help to narrow down your search. However, unless the misspelling is yours, I would search all of Germany. As you say you know all about your ancestor in the US, what about religion? As this is usually preserved on immigration it is often a clue as to where to look. Good luck, Rob Hausman ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Robert E. Hausman hausman@bu.edu www.familytreemaker.com/users/h/a/u/Robert-E-Hausman/index.html HAUSMANN, ROUSSELET, HEERE, LAUBER, LATUS

Hi David........ Have you checked the IGI for a clue as to where he originated? Should I assume that you realize the Hans can be a nickname for Johan and its derivations. Priscilla from WA Rolandmail@aol.com wrote: > Can anyone help me connect to one another, or to locations in the Pfalz, the > four German-speaking Rolands described below? They all arrived in > Pennsylvania between 1720 and 1750 and are the first known German emigrant > males of their respective family lines, about which much is known. However, > only one has been successfully traced to Europe (Johann Abraham Roland to > Lambsborn). I am now searching records from the RheinPfalz for clues to the > origins of my ancestor, Hans, but keeping an eye out for the others as well. > Many thanks if you have reason to reply. > > David Roland > Reston, Virginia > > ________________ > > 1) JACOB ROLAND > Lived: Earl Township, Lancaster Co. PA > Born: Prob. about 1690 > Died: 1763 > Religion: Prob. Mennonite > Emigrated: Prob. early 1720s? > From: Prob. Germany > Father: ? > Mother: ? > Source: Various > > 2) HANS ROLAND > Lived: Leacock Township, Lancaster Co. PA > Born: Prob. early 1690s > Died: 1763 > Religion: Possibly Mennonite; Brethren > Emigrated: Prob. Mid-1720s > From: Prob. Germany > Father: ? > Mother: ? > Sources: Various > > 3) GASPER ROWLAND > Lived: Germantown PA(?), Frederick Co.MD, Rowan Co. NC, Warren Co. KY > Died: 17?? > Religion: Brethren > Emigrated: 1741 on Ship "Friendship" (Philadelphia) > From: Prob. Germany > Father: > Mother: > Sources: Various > > 4) JOHANN ABRAHAM ROLAND > Lived: Lebanon Co. PA > Died: 17?? > Religion: Lutheran > Emigrated: 1750 on Ship Patience (Philadelphia) > From: Lambsborn, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany > Father: Joh. Ulrich Roland (b. 1689, d. 1727) > Mother: Maria Magdalena > Source: Donna Ristenbatt (http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy/daahnent.htm) > > END > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe

Paul, In old German script a cap " B" looks very much like a cap "L" to us. The only difference is a subtle difference in the tail. Much of the area known a the Pfalz was under the rule of Bavaria and is listed as Bavaria in the records, eventhough it is a totally separated area. This looks like the place you were looking for. However, there does not appear to be much in the way of microfilmed records available for you: 2 microfilms of civil marriage records 1802-1826, 1 microfilm of civil BMD records from 1800-1814, and 1 microfilm of Evangelisch-Reformierte church books from 1711-1758. There may be other records not microfilmed. >Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:57:55 +0100 >From: edierich@t-online.de (Ernst Dierich) >To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com >Message-ID: <002701c059ea$ee0e2e60$5e859fc1@fsetsat520> >Subject: Re: [PFALZ] LISTERSCHIED", Fz, Bayern >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Hello Paul, >there is a BISTERSCHIED formerly belonging to the district Pfalz in Bayern, >now-a- days located in the State Rheinland-Pfalz near Rockenhausen and >around 25 km North of Kaiserslautern. Actual ZIP-Code 67806. >Regards >Ernst Dierich. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul & Ann Kieffaber" <kieffers@gte.net> >To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:18 AM >Subject: [PFALZ] LISTERSCHIED", Fz, Bayern > > >> Hello all-- >> I recently found a Bavarian town designation for my emigrant ancestor in a >> Kirchenbuch for an Evangelical church founded by German emigrants in >Audrain >> County, MO. >> >> The town is listed as "LISTERSCHIED", Fz(?)Bayern. I have found no such >> town listed on any map -- present day or prior to reunification. Does >> anyone have any ideas on what Bavarian town the name "LISTERSCHIED" might >be >> indicating? >> >> Thanks for any and all input -- Paul Kieffaber > -- mailto:fhheld@netzero.net _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Can anyone help me connect to one another, or to locations in the Pfalz, the four German-speaking Rolands described below? They all arrived in Pennsylvania between 1720 and 1750 and are the first known German emigrant males of their respective family lines, about which much is known. However, only one has been successfully traced to Europe (Johann Abraham Roland to Lambsborn). I am now searching records from the RheinPfalz for clues to the origins of my ancestor, Hans, but keeping an eye out for the others as well. Many thanks if you have reason to reply. David Roland Reston, Virginia ________________ 1) JACOB ROLAND Lived: Earl Township, Lancaster Co. PA Born: Prob. about 1690 Died: 1763 Religion: Prob. Mennonite Emigrated: Prob. early 1720s? From: Prob. Germany Father: ? Mother: ? Source: Various 2) HANS ROLAND Lived: Leacock Township, Lancaster Co. PA Born: Prob. early 1690s Died: 1763 Religion: Possibly Mennonite; Brethren Emigrated: Prob. Mid-1720s From: Prob. Germany Father: ? Mother: ? Sources: Various 3) GASPER ROWLAND Lived: Germantown PA(?), Frederick Co.MD, Rowan Co. NC, Warren Co. KY Died: 17?? Religion: Brethren Emigrated: 1741 on Ship "Friendship" (Philadelphia) From: Prob. Germany Father: Mother: Sources: Various 4) JOHANN ABRAHAM ROLAND Lived: Lebanon Co. PA Died: 17?? Religion: Lutheran Emigrated: 1750 on Ship Patience (Philadelphia) From: Lambsborn, Rhineland-Pfalz, Germany Father: Joh. Ulrich Roland (b. 1689, d. 1727) Mother: Maria Magdalena Source: Donna Ristenbatt (http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy/daahnent.htm) END

Hello Paul, there is a BISTERSCHIED formerly belonging to the district Pfalz in Bayern, now-a- days located in the State Rheinland-Pfalz near Rockenhausen and around 25 km North of Kaiserslautern. Actual ZIP-Code 67806. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul & Ann Kieffaber" <kieffers@gte.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 29, 2000 12:18 AM Subject: [PFALZ] LISTERSCHIED", Fz, Bayern > Hello all-- > I recently found a Bavarian town designation for my emigrant ancestor in a > Kirchenbuch for an Evangelical church founded by German emigrants in Audrain > County, MO. > > The town is listed as "LISTERSCHIED", Fz(?)Bayern. I have found no such > town listed on any map -- present day or prior to reunification. Does > anyone have any ideas on what Bavarian town the name "LISTERSCHIED" might be > indicating? > > Thanks for any and all input -- Paul Kieffaber