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I am looking for information on Philip Jacob HAMMER born September 8, 1797 in Bergzabern, Bavaria.. Philp’s wife’s given name was Mary (surname unknown). They had four children born in Bavaria: Caroline HAMMER born abt 1826, Philp J. HAMMER Jr. born abt 1827, Louise HAMMER born abt 1829, and Jacob HAMMER born abt 1832;. Philip arrived in America in 1837 . In 1842 he resided in Oneida County, New York State. In 1838 he moved to Monroe County, city of Rochester in New York State. In 1843 he went to Monroe County, New York State. In 1844 Philip became a naturalized citizen of the United States and lived the rest of his life (d.1870) in Rochester, NY USA. In America, Philip's trade was making pottery . Any information on this family would be greatly appreciated. Please respond to: Pamela Erwin email: pamerwin@frontiernet.net Other surnames I am researching: HAMAN, WULLSCHLEGER, BENHAM, FABRY, KNOBLOCH

Hi, I'm looking for info about my ancestors in Hunsrueck, Germany. {1st generation} 1 Maria Christina CHRIST (Wahlbach, 20-jan-1833) {2nd generation} 2 Johannes CHRIST (Nannhausen, 20-feb-1801) 3 Maria Margaretha HEHN (Wahlbach, abt 1800) {3rd generation} 4 Christian CHRIST 5 Maria Magdalena ECKMANN 6 Franz Joseph HEHN (19-jul-1772) 7 Maria Catharina HUHN (Kuelz, 29-oct-1775) {4th generation} 12 Franz HEHN 13 Anna Maria KUELZER 14 Johann Nicolaus HUHN (Kuelz) 15 Maria Catharina ROTHENBERGER (abt 1736) {5th generation} 24 Jeremias HEHN 28 Nicolaus KUELZER Joao SL Rio

Trying to find connections to the following families: Heinrich MAURER born between 1776 - 1777 Hundheim, Pfalz, Bayern and died 26 January 1838 in Bosenbach, Pfalz. He married Maria Rosina STROBEL 26 February 1799 Bosenbach, Pfalz. Maria Rosina STROBEL was born 27 December 1777 and died 11 November 1842 in Bosenbach. Heinrich and Maria Rosina MAURER had at least seven children all born in Bosenbach, Pfalz: Jacob b. 04 May 1801 Daniel b. 03 February 1803 m. Margaretha KOERBEL Maria (Katharina) b. 09 March 1809 m. Georg Peter DICK (my 3rd great-grandparents) Peter b. 12 March 1812 d. 1 January 1834 Infant b. 14 September 1814 Maria Margaretha b. 21 June 1817 Friedrich b. 20 January 1823 d. 04 November 1837 Maria Rosina STROBEL's parents were Daniel STROBEL and (Maria) Sara SCHMIDT. Heinrich MAURER's parents were Heinrich MAURER and Maria SCHNEIDER. Regards, Nancy Atkinson New Hampshire

DEU-EIFEL-L-request@rootsweb.com Gruß, Mathias

Hello listers! I'm trying to locate the Evangelical church records for two towns. First, Allenfeld, Kreis Bad Kreuznach, Koblenz - at first, I was told to check the Winterburg records from the LDS film collection but I didn't find any people from Allenfeld on that film. I've written to the parish in Allenfeld but have had no response. Second, Krummenau, Bernkastel, Trier - again I checked the LDS collection but they only have the Catholic records for Bernkastel. Are there Evangelical records for that town? Thanks for any help!! Kendall Carr krcarr@worldnet.att.net

Miller, Jacob- emigrated 1710 with DeGraffenreid to New Bern,N.C. Ailey- Va. Brock- Shenandoah, Va. Bare- Va. Barnhart- Va. Blazer- Va.

Hallo Liste/Hello List, Weiß jemand, wo die Kirchenbücher von Frankenthal lagern, und bis zu welchem Jahrgang diese noch vorhanden sind ? Does someone know where the church record books of Frankenthal are today, and how far back they go ? Gruß/Regards, Ingolf Vogel

David, Did you search the online LDS IGI? (http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp) Here's some of their children: Herrmann Valentin BERNHARDT Christening: 20 Jul 1856 Evangelisch, Grossniedesheim, Pfalz, Bayern Father: Herrmann BERNHARDT Mother: Wilhelmina Henneryetta SARTORIUS Albert BERNHARDT Christening: 11 Nov 1857 Evangelisch, Grossniedesheim, Pfalz, Bayern Father: Herrmann BERNHARDT Mother: Wilhelmina Henneryetta SARTORIUS Jacob BERNHARDT Christening: 23 Oct 1859 Evangelisch, Grossniedesheim, Pfalz, Bayern Father: Hermann BERNHARDT Mother: Wilhelmine Henriette SARTORIUS Wilhelm Friedrich BERNHARDT Christening: 19 Nov 1854 Evangelisch, Grossniedesheim, Pfalz, Bayern Father: Hermann BERNHARDT Mother: Wilhelmina Hennryetha SARTORIUS According to the IGI entry these data all came from microfilm LDS 0193874, one of the microfilms for Großniedesheim (BA. Frankenthal). The microfilms also include Kleinniedesheim. Rent the film at your local LDS Family History Center. >Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2000 09:46:54 EST >From: Coachhill@aol.com >To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PFALZ] Re:BERNHARDT; Pfalz > >Searching for family of Herman Bernhardt and wife Wilhelmina Sartorius >Bernhardt of Kleinniedesheim and Grossniedesheim in Pfalz; about 1850 to >1860. Children included Herman, Albert and Jacob, perhaps others. >All inquires cheerfully replied to! Thanks in advance for your reply! >David Hill >Simsbury, CT, USA > -- mailto:fhheld@netzero.net _______________________________________________ Why pay for something you could get for free? NetZero provides FREE Internet Access and Email http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

Thought I'd try one more time. Does anyone recognize the surname KIEREN? Sally Kieren

Searching for family of Herman Bernhardt and wife Wilhelmina Sartorius Bernhardt of Kleinniedesheim and Grossniedesheim in Pfalz; about 1850 to 1860. Children included Herman, Albert and Jacob, perhaps others. All inquires cheerfully replied to! Thanks in advance for your reply! David Hill Simsbury, CT, USA

Hello List, Can anyone advise me how to get a copy of subject book?  Complete title page is as follows:             Familienbuch             Ralingen             St. Martin             mit: Godendorf, Ralingerberg, Ralingermuhle und Merteshof             von 1713 - 1900             Erstellt im Jahr 1997             von:             Richard Schaffner aus Kordel Some of my GOTTLIEB ancestors are listed in this book.  Any help is appreciated. Thanks much, Nor El Leinberger Lake Tawakoni, TX

This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Caramail_000468976139197_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear friends, Following my last mail, several among you answered me that the text was incomprehensible. Because of its format, in MIME. Excuse me to have imposed this test to you. Below, here is the text, this time in format HTML I hope that it will be more readable. For all those which wrote to me, I wanted as of now cordially thanking you, of the bottom of the heart, I thank you for your assistance, your consultings or your encouragements. Patience... I am overflowed of work, but I would answer you individually all in the next days. So long, God keeps you Patrick Langolf Copy : Hello I am new on the list and I would need your assistance. (I beg your pardon, but I speak just a little bit English, just for survival=85) I seek the ancestors of Jakob LANGOLF who settled in Bergheim, in Alsace, into 1668. It was married in Anna WEBER and they had already a first sohn, Hans Jakob, when they settled in Bergheim In spite of years of search, I did not find the least trace of their origin. I supposed a long time that the LANGOLF are originating in Switzerland, in the canton of Bern, or of the LANGOLF / LANDOLF / LANGDOLF live since at least 1380. Alas, I never could show their helvetic origin... Lately, I had the occasion to find information on LANDOLF, which lived Altdorf, in Neckerkreis, in Bade Wurtemberg. One finds there as of 1595 on an old microfilm of the Mormons the name of Hans LANDOLF. In 1595, a Barbara LANDOLF maried with Hans BERNER (? from Bern, in Switzerland?). Then, during more than one hundred years, no any trace (on the microfilm) of the LANDOLF, which return abruptly in 1720 LANGDOLPH, in the same village. Is this normal, or the Mormons copied only what interested them? One finds also a LANDOLL Hans Michael, born the 26.08.1666 in Bergzabern, Pfalz, sohn of Georg Ernst LANDOLL and Anna Margarethe (...?) In 1691, one finds for the first time mention of my patronym LANGOLF in Doerrenbach, a small village on 2 kilometers of Bergzabern. At the time of the marriage of LANGOLF Theodorus and Rosina GEHL. Then, the LANGOLF made stock with Doerrenbach, then later, in Kandel, just at side. " to colonize " then all Germany (approximately 700 people today). Problem, the registers of Doerrenbach start only into 1690. Before this date, how to find if the LANGOLF did live already the commune? Here, you know now all. In short, I seek least additional information on this patronym LANGOLF, LANDOLL, LANDOLFF, LANGDOLPH. If you have a track, even tiniest, you are welcome. I would also like to come into contact with historians or genealogists of these areas which I have just quoted (Pfalz, Baden Wurttemberg)=85 Of course, all these steps will not inevitably allow me to find the ancestors of Jakob LANGOLF of Bergheim, perhaps but that will put to me on a track. With the advance, I wish to thank you for your assistance and your contest. I wish you with all the merry ones and happy Chrismas and Happy New Year... Patrick Langolf ______________________________________________________ Bo=EEte aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com --=_NextPart_Caramail_000468976139197_ID--

bob gillis wrote: > > Go with it. What about the children's' births in the Zweibrucken > records? If the parents marriage is in the IGI then the children's > birth/baptisms should be. Here's just one hypothetical example why this is not always correct. The marriage may have taken place in the bride's church, the records of which have been extracted to IGI, but after the marriage, they remained (she moved) on the farm of her husband which belonged to a separate church, the records of which have not been extracted to the IGI.

not always. David bob gillis wrote: > > Go with it. What about the children's' births in the Zweibrucken > records? If the parents marriage is in the IGI then the children's > birth/baptisms should be. > > bob gillis > > Ken Haag wrote: > > > > My GGGGrandfather George Haag b.1783 and his wife Anna > > Maria b. 1787 came to the US from Bavaria. Their > > naturalization papers indicated that they came from Pfälz, > > Bayern but no village named. They came over in 1833 and > > were farmers after they settled in Jennings County, IN. So > > they may have been farmers before and lived in the country. > > Searching "Family Search" I found: Georg HAAG married Anna > > Maria Barbara KOEHL on 20 August 1812 in Zweibrücken, Pfälz, > > Bayern. > > The time frame is right but I haven't been able to find > > anything further or any confirmation. Also, I never had his > > wife's maiden surname as a check other than her given name. > > I'm also told that she was from Baden. > > Can anyone help or give me some further direction. Thanks. > > > > Ken....CA > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > > to unsubscribe > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe

Ken, You next step is to go back to the FamilySearch website and look at the Family History Library catalog. By entering Zweibrücken in the place search you will find a large amount of resource material, because that is a large city. (Note: the FamilySearch FHL catalog search engine does not understand umlauts in the input field so use Zweibrucken instead.) You are looking for the actual wedding record, which will be found in both the church records and the civil records. You did not metion what religion they were. There were 4 different churches in Zweibrücken: Evangelisch-Reformierte, Evangelische, Katholische, and Eglise réformée, plus an Evangelische at the military compound. Your should also find them in the civil records. The wedding records will tell who their parents were and where they were from. In that era, after 1808, many church wedding records also included their birthdates, which will confirm they are the right people. Seek out your local LDS (Mormon) Family History Center and order the appropriate microfilms. >Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2000 13:25:09 -0800 >From: Ken Haag <admotus@earthlink.net> >To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [PFALZ] Haag from Zweibrücken > > My GGGGrandfather George Haag b.1783 and his wife Anna >Maria b. 1787 came to the US from Bavaria. Their >naturalization papers indicated that they came from Pfälz, >Bayern but no village named. They came over in 1833 and >were farmers after they settled in Jennings County, IN. So >they may have been farmers before and lived in the country. > Searching "Family Search" I found: Georg HAAG married Anna >Maria Barbara KOEHL on 20 August 1812 in Zweibrücken, Pfälz, >Bayern. > The time frame is right but I haven't been able to find >anything further or any confirmation. Also, I never had his >wife's maiden surname as a check other than her given name. >I'm also told that she was from Baden. > Can anyone help or give me some further direction. Thanks. > >Ken....CA > -- mailto:fhheld@netzero.net _____NetZero Free Internet Access and Email______ http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

>>my guess is that your ancestors came from Blatzheim and/or Kerpen both located in the Niederrhein region which is not a political area but a geographical.<< A further remark. *Nieder* means *lower*, and refers in this case to the lower end of the Rhine River as it moves to the sea, and enters the *Niederlands*, or low lands. Carol

Go with it. What about the children's' births in the Zweibrucken records? If the parents marriage is in the IGI then the children's birth/baptisms should be. bob gillis Ken Haag wrote: > > My GGGGrandfather George Haag b.1783 and his wife Anna > Maria b. 1787 came to the US from Bavaria. Their > naturalization papers indicated that they came from Pfälz, > Bayern but no village named. They came over in 1833 and > were farmers after they settled in Jennings County, IN. So > they may have been farmers before and lived in the country. > Searching "Family Search" I found: Georg HAAG married Anna > Maria Barbara KOEHL on 20 August 1812 in Zweibrücken, Pfälz, > Bayern. > The time frame is right but I haven't been able to find > anything further or any confirmation. Also, I never had his > wife's maiden surname as a check other than her given name. > I'm also told that she was from Baden. > Can anyone help or give me some further direction. Thanks. > > Ken....CA > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe

Ken Haag writes: << My GGGGrandfather George Haag b.1783 and his wife Anna Maria b. 1787 came to the US from Bavaria. Their naturalization papers indicated that they came from Pf=E4lz, Bayern but no village named. They came over in 1833 and were farmers after they settled in Jennings County, IN. >> Ken; I have severa books Ortsippensbucher on the Bliesgau which was in the Bavarian Pfalz in your time frame. They contain a lot of info on the HAAG family and I will gladly look up and scan the info on the Haags for you. I need to tell you up front that I have have found a Georg Haag, but not yours. Let me know if you are interested. Vince Falter

My GGGGrandfather George Haag b.1783 and his wife Anna Maria b. 1787 came to the US from Bavaria. Their naturalization papers indicated that they came from Pfälz, Bayern but no village named. They came over in 1833 and were farmers after they settled in Jennings County, IN. So they may have been farmers before and lived in the country. Searching "Family Search" I found: Georg HAAG married Anna Maria Barbara KOEHL on 20 August 1812 in Zweibrücken, Pfälz, Bayern. The time frame is right but I haven't been able to find anything further or any confirmation. Also, I never had his wife's maiden surname as a check other than her given name. I'm also told that she was from Baden. Can anyone help or give me some further direction. Thanks. Ken....CA