I am lucky to have an LDS research center near my home. But, I have found, there are only so many hours that they are open and that I have even less time during those hours to spend in their facility. I will then ask for any and all help I can find using this posting. I am convinced that a direct ancestor of mine, one Andreas Schropp born about 1660, migrated to Oberowisheim in Baden, Germany. Evangelical Lutheran listings confirm my research to Andreas but no brothers/sisters/parents are found. I would then ask that anybody with Church Books from any towns covered by this posting check for the Schropp name and see if any children listed were born about 1660. I am just getting started so if anyone could point me towards other German listings of this type I would greatly appreciate it. Also, are there any articles/books that address migration through the years within Germany? Thank you for taking the time to read this and Happy Holidays to all. aplsr@hotmail.com Anthony P. Levan Sr. RR 2 Box 674 Herndon PA 17830 USA _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

I have a Henricus Mu/e/ller, who's other name may of been Casperi, who m. Susanna Breuer on 8 Apr, 1777 in Katholisch, Laumersheim, Pfalz, Bayern. Their children were Anna Eva, Henricus Adolphus, who became a surgeon & m. Catharina Elisabetha Kuttner, Anna Maria, Maria Theresia, who m. Johannes Michaelis Deguenther, Joannes, who m. Gertrud Weibert, Joannes Michael, who m. Anna Maria Ursula Schilling, & Joannes Christopher, who m. Friedrica Diehl. I would like info. on their ancestors. rmuerer@yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

I am still trying to get information about Jacob Tresch from Grethen, Bayern, Pfalz. A previous lister gave me information about his parents but I still can't find out if and when he married Veronica Feurstein either in Germany or whether it was here in the US. If anyone has any information about a Fleurstein family I would be very grateful to hear. Bernice

Jakob PORTZ b. 1817 (Ruppertsecken) = 1840 Christine EBERLE (b. Steckweiler 1816). (Johann) Phillippe PORTZ b. 1784 = 1813 Sus. Marg. SPIES (1791-1830). Michael PORTZ b. 1737 = Elise Marg. METZ (1747-1833). It is said that the PORTZ name came from early Portuguese immigrants (PORTAS). Trying to find info on that tale. My PORTZ family was later centered in Rockenhausen. Grateful for any links, Larry Koch http://community.webtv.net/LOKoch/LawrenceKochHomePage

Seeking connections to the following JUNG family from Eßweiler (Essweiler), Pfalz, Germany. Philipp and Phillippina JUNG immigrated to New York then to Boston, MA: Regards, Nancy M. Atkinson New Hampshire Descendants of (Johann) Peter Jung Generation No. 1 1. (JOHANN) PETER1 JUNG was born 24 February 1747/48 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. He married (ANNA) MARGARETHA GILCHER 25 September 1770 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. She was born 14 January 1753 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. Child of (JOHANN) JUNG and (ANNA) GILCHER is: 2. i. (JOHANN) MICHAEL2 JUNG, b. 13 April 1789, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 27 November 1852, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. Generation No. 2 2. (JOHANN) MICHAEL2 JUNG ((JOHANN) PETER1) was born 13 April 1789 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, and died 27 November 1852 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. He married MARIA ELISABETHA MERCKER 17 November 1810 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, daughter of (GEORG) MERCKER and MARIA HOEBEL. She was born 28 May 1787 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, and died 31 October 1848 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. Children of (JOHANN) JUNG and MARIA MERCKER are: i. JEAN3 JUNG, b. 28 January 1813. ii. MARIA CATHARINA JUNG, b. 22 January 1815. 3. iii. (JOHANN) PETER JUNG, b. 07 March 1816, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 12 January 1887, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. iv. MARIA MARGARETHA JUNG, b. 07 December 1818, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 15 January 1828, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. v. KATHARINA JUNG, b. 25 December 1820; d. 30 November 1835, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. vi. MARIA ELISABETHA JUNG, b. 12 February 1823, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. vii. (JOHANN) JACOB JUNG, b. 19 July 1825, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. early childhood or infancy. viii. MARIA PHILIPPINA MERCKER JUNG, b. 09 June 1828, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. ix. MARIA MARGARETHA JUNG, b. 14 January 1831, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 12 February 1834, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. Generation No. 3 3. (JOHANN) PETER3 JUNG ((JOHANN) MICHAEL2, (JOHANN) PETER1) was born 07 March 1816 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, and died 12 January 1887 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. He married KATHARINA CHRISTIANNA LEIXNER 17 October 1839 in Bosenbach, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, daughter of (JOHANN) LEIXNER and CHRISTIANA WEBER. She was born 20 December 1813 in Föckelberg, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, and died 20 February 1891 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. Children of (JOHANN) JUNG and KATHARINA LEIXNER are: i. JACOB4 JUNG, b. 26 October 1840, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 13 May 1864, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. 4. ii. PHILIPPINA JUNG, b. 23 February 1843, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 13 December 1902, Boston, Suffolk, MA. iii. PETER JUNG, b. 19 July 1845, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 02 July 1851, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. 5. iv. PHILIPP JUNG, b. 19 May 1848, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 1902, Boston, Suffolk, MA. v. CATHARINA JUNG, b. 01 July 1850, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. vi. PETER JUNG, b. 27 June 1853, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany. Generation No. 4 4. PHILIPPINA4 JUNG ((JOHANN) PETER3, (JOHANN) MICHAEL2, (JOHANN) PETER1) was born 23 February 1843 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, and died 13 December 1902 in Boston, Suffolk, MA. She married DANIEL DICK 10 February 1869 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, son of (GEORG) DICK and MARIA MAURER. He was born 15 December 1843 in Bosenbach, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, and died 18 March 1918 in Boston, Suffolk, MA. Children of PHILIPPINA JUNG and DANIEL DICK are: i. KAROLINA5 DICK, b. 28 August 1870, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 30 October 1946, Boston, Suffolk, MA; m. JACOB STOLL, 06 December 1890, Boston, Suffolk, MA; b. 26 May 1865, Germany; d. Abt. 1940, Boston, Suffolk, MA. ii. JACOB WALTER DICK, b. 01 March 1872, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 13 September 1907, Dubuque, Dubuque, IA; m. IDA KATHERIN FAHJE, 27 April 1897, Dubuque, Dubuque, IA; b. January 1876, Neufeld, Germany; d. 11 October 1934, Dubuque, Dubuqe, IA. iii. IDA DICK, b. 16 January 1876, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 05 March 1951, Dedham, Norfolk, MA; m. KARL SCHMITT, 27 June 1894, Boston, Suffolk, MA by Adolph Bierwessel; b. 10 September 1868, Bosenbach, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 31 January 1917, Boston, Suffolk, MA. iv. WILHELMINA DICK, b. 17 November 1878, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 16 April 1972, West Roxbury, Suffolk, MA; m. ROBERT J. CARNES, 01 October 1902, Boston, Suffolk, MA; b. 06 April 1879, Boston, Suffolk, MA; d. 29 May 1969, West Roxbury Suffolk, MA. v. AMELIA DICK, b. 03 October 1884, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 30 October 1967, North Reading, Middlesex, MA; m. FREDERICK WILLIAM SCHWENDENMAN, 12 December 1911, Jamaica Plain, Boston, Suffolk, MA; b. 28 February 1888, Cambridge, MA; d. 16 May 1963, Millis, Norfolk, MA. vi. CLARA DICK, b. 07 September 1887, Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany; d. 25 January 1964, Lynn, Suffolk, MA; m. ARTHUR WILLIAM WILLS, 12 March 1907, Boston, Suffolk, MA; b. 14 January 1879, Boston, Suffolk, MA; d. 1949, Roslindale, MA. 5. PHILIPP4 JUNG ((JOHANN) PETER3, (JOHANN) MICHAEL2, (JOHANN) PETER1) was born 19 May 1848 in Eßweiler, Pfalz, Bayern, Germany, and died 1902 in Boston, Suffolk, MA. He married HELENA ELDRUCHER Abt. 1873. She was born Abt. 1850 in New York. Children of PHILIPP JUNG and HELENA ELDRUCHER are: i. PHILIP5 JUNG, b. 28 September 1877. ii. WALTER JUNG, b. 13 February 1880. iii. JACOB JUNG, b. 17 June 1882, Massachusetts; m. EVA UNKNOWN; b. Abt. 1882, Canada. iv. ROSE JUNG, b. June 1884. v. LENA JUNG, b. 31 July 1885. vi. ALBERT JUNG, b. January 1888.

> Also, in a church record what does Sv. and Tv. mean? My ancestor's record > reads: > Gottlieb, Joes, *in Rosport, Sv. Charles u. Margaretha Carel and his wife's > reads: > Thielen, Margaretha, *ca 1727 in Ralingen, Tv. Gilges u. Anna-Maria. It took me a while to figure out also: S.V. = Sehn von - Son of T.V. = Tochter von - Daughter of While I happen to know some basic German, I am by far not an expert. If you have something beyond simple phrases, you might want to consult AltaVista: http://babel.altavista.com/translate.dyn Hope this helps, Joe Miller

Hello Fred, if I would have to I would bet 10 bucks on Prichsenstadt which lays about 30 kilometers or the equivalent distance in miles East of Wuerzburg. ZIP code 97357. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: <fclarke@juno.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 13, 2000 1:28 AM Subject: [PFALZ] Brichstadt > Brichstadt, Germany is were my Georg/Gorg/Jurg family came from? > I have tried all the searches I know about but havn't found it. > Can the experts locate it for me? It is supposed to be near Nassau? > Any help is appreciated > > Fred Clarke > fclarke@juno.com > 19885 W 69th Ave > Arvada CO 80004 > 303 424 2560 > > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe >

Does anyone know if there is a list for Rosport?  It is just across the river from Ralingen, Rheinland-Pfalz.  My GOTTLIEB ancestors came from Rosport and my THIELEN ancestors came from Ralingen. Also, in a church record what does Sv. and Tv. mean?  My ancestor's record reads: Gottlieb, Joes, *in Rosport, Sv. Charles u. Margaretha Carel and his wife's reads: Thielen, Margaretha, *ca 1727 in Ralingen, Tv. Gilges u. Anna-Maria. I will soon have the family book of St. Martin's in Ralingen which also covers Godendorf, Ralingerberg, Ralingermuhle and Merteshof from 1713 to 1900.  Should arrive in about 7 - 10 days.  If any of you have ancestors from there will be happy to do lookups. Nor El Lake Tawakoni, TX

Hello, Hans Bahlow's Dictionary of German Names list a Schwarm but not Swarm. Looks like the name is connected to the areas around Hamburg and Bremen. Ted Joseph Miller wrote: > Larry, > > > I have a surname in my family genealogy that I cannot find in any records > > or data State side. Does anyone know if the surname SWARM is present in > > Germany. > > With my limited knowledge of the German language, Swarm sounds like a name > that has been Anglicized. A more likely candidate would be Schwarm. > > Hope this helps, Joe > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe

With respect to ongoing messages about German cookies, for us Midwesterners who are dealing with 18" of Mother Nature's finest, the long commutes into work etc. and Christmas shopping, might I suggest Lambertz cookies. They are made in Aachen, not as sweet as American cookies but distinctively European/German, by a baking company that's been around for ages. You might have to look around for them but I have seen them at Meijers stores and at Sam's Club. And to Nancy, thank you for sharing these with us. I hope you are feeling better and wish you Blessed and Merry Christmas. Joe

According to my dictionary and a word guide from LDS Schultheis refers to mayor. Hope that helps. Sarah ----- Original Message ----- From: <fetkenheur@uswest.net> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 15, 2000 5:04 PM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] I need a word translated Hi Lowell, The word is Schultheiß or Schultheiss meaning mayor or village magistrate. The "ß" is an umlait and converts to English as "ss". Sometimes the "ß" is called a sharp S. The German "ss" may be shortened to "s" but the "ß" should never be shortened to "s". This is probably more then you wanted to know. Ted Fetkenheuer Lowell Kuntz wrote: > I would appreciate it if someone could tell me the meaning of the word > "Schultheis"? It was the occupation of an ancestor. It in not > transalated by either translator.go.com or FreeTranslation.com and I > can't fond ir t in my Wordsworth Concise German Dictionary. > > Thanks > > Lowell Kuntz > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html to unsubscribe

Larry, > I have a surname in my family genealogy that I cannot find in any records > or data State side. Does anyone know if the surname SWARM is present in > Germany. With my limited knowledge of the German language, Swarm sounds like a name that has been Anglicized. A more likely candidate would be Schwarm. Hope this helps, Joe

Hi Lowell, The word is Schultheiß or Schultheiss meaning mayor or village magistrate. The "ß" is an umlait and converts to English as "ss". Sometimes the "ß" is called a sharp S. The German "ss" may be shortened to "s" but the "ß" should never be shortened to "s". This is probably more then you wanted to know. Ted Fetkenheuer Lowell Kuntz wrote: > I would appreciate it if someone could tell me the meaning of the word > "Schultheis"? It was the occupation of an ancestor. It in not > transalated by either translator.go.com or FreeTranslation.com and I > can't fond ir t in my Wordsworth Concise German Dictionary. > > Thanks > > Lowell Kuntz > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe

Hello. Looks like "village mayor" to me. Other thoughts? S. D. Weaver (Weber)

I would appreciate it if someone could tell me the meaning of the word "Schultheis"? It was the occupation of an ancestor. It in not transalated by either translator.go.com or FreeTranslation.com and I can't fond ir t in my Wordsworth Concise German Dictionary. Thanks Lowell Kuntz

Hello to all Pfalz-listers, An earlier query to the Trier list brought many suggestions for LOCH families but none for the necessary HORT connection. I want to find the birthplace for my maternal grandfather NICHOLAS HORT, b.1847, to PETER HORT and JOANNA LOCH. Nicholas emigrated to Iowa in the United States in the early 1870s. Other than 'Prussia' the only clue I have is 'German-French' in one record. The IGI has Horts in both Elsass and the Pfalz regions. I'm open to all suggestions... Robert C. Godsey godseys@localaccess.com

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Jim Eggert, Thank you for the references. I will try to get my hands on those books. My Lindenmeier/Lindenmayer's came from there. I looked to see if any of their spouses were Schropps but none are. Good Luck in your serach. Fred Clarke fclarke@juno.com 10885 W 69th Ave Arvada CO 80004 303 424 2560 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

This recipe is no longer made by anyone in our family. It is NOT very good! We long ago substituted another lebkuchen recipe for this one. But I promised the originals, so here it is: LEBKUCHEN - original recipe from Germany Recipe By : Susan Elizabeth Hodem, Elizabeth Emrich Schertzer, etc. Categories : Christmas Baking Amount Measure Ingredient -- Preparation Method -------- ------------ -------------------------------- 1 cup molasses -- heat together with 1/2 cup milk 2 cups sugar 4 whole eggs 1 lb. unskinned almonds -- grind fine with: 1/4 lb. citron -- set aside 1 Tablespoon buttermilk 2 teaspoons baking soda 4 cups flour or less 2 teaspoons ginger 1 teaspoon allspice 1 teaspoon cloves 1 teaspoon salt Beat sugar and eggs together for about 5 minutes. When molasses and sweet milk are warm, put buttermilk over the baking soda, stir and add to warmed molasses. Then add it to sugar/eggs SLOWLY. Now gradually add citron and nuts that have been finely ground. Remove from mixer and add flour, salt and spices to make a fairly stiff dough. Set in a cool place to ferment overnight or about 12 hours. Next day, spread 1/2 of the cookie dough thinly into a non-stick jelly roll type pan (cookie sheet with four 3/4" to 1" sides). (This recipe is probably enough to make 2 full sheets!) Bake at 350°F, for about 10-20 minutes. Top will puff up, sink back down and brown. Ice immediately with 10X sugar mixed with milk, lemon juice or water. You may add vanilla to icing if you use milk or water. Thinly ice entire top. Cut into squares. This will keep for a LONG time. That's why it is called Lebkuchen! Freezes well. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - NOTES : This recipe is NOT very good. My family - about 4 generations ago - gave up this lebkuchen and slipped in a ringer! If you do decide to try it, may I suggest 1/2 batch - so you will waste less ingredients! If anyone wants it, I will send the "ringer" recipe for lebkuchen. It is quite similar, but uses honey rather than molasses, and uses no milk. Regards, Nancy _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

The cookie recipes made me wonder about the German Christmas traditions. My 5th g-grandfather was from the Palatines and I would appreciate hearing any decoration ideas. I have 2 old glass Christmas balls "made in Germany". Does anyone know the history of the glass ornaments. Thanks. Fran Hill