Hello List members I am looking for a translation of the word "ligninssoris" It appeared on an 1816 baptism record from the catholic church records from Greimerath, Prussia It read: Catharina Gallitz filia legit Matthiae Gallitz ligninssoris et Elisabethae Müller conjugum ex Silva prope Wilverscheid. Levantiubus Jacobo Schapp Ligmassore exdei dicto levante wald et Catherina Honerad uxore Ritz ligninssoris ex Silva prope Wilverscheid. Thanks for any assistance Gerald Gallitz

Judische Grabstatten im Kreis Bad Kreuznach Geschichte und Gestaltung c. 1995 I have just received this book from a friend in Germany. I became interested in and heard about this book after visiting a Jewish cemetery in Altenbamberg, south of Bad Kreuznach, in the Rheinpfalz. (Read my story about this visit, plus what I learned about doing genealogy research in the Pfalz at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~jillaine/pfalz ) This 562-page book, all in German, documents the history of Jews in particular Pfalz towns, and in most cases, documents the names and birth/death dates of Jews buried in these cemeteries. It also writes about the history and state of the cemeteries in these towns (see below for a list). I do not speak German, but I could do lookups IF YOU KNOW THE NAME of the TOWN and if the town is in the book. There is no surname index in this book, unfortunately. I hope that people will feel free to pass this message on to other lists that may be interested in the contents of this book. I am not Jewish and not familiar with the Jewish genealogy sites and lists. TOWN NAMES COVERED IN THE BOOK: Altenbamberg Argenschwang Bad Kreuznach Barweiler Becherbach b. Kirn Bretzenheim Dorrebach Frei-Laubersheim Furfeld Guldental hennweiler Hochstatten Huffelsheim Hundesbach Kirn Langenlonsheim Mandel Meeddersheim Meisenheim Merxheim Planig Rummelsheim Schoneberg Schweppenhausen Seesbach Seibersbach Simmertal Sobernheim Staudernheim Tiefenthal Waldlaubersheim Wallhausen Weiler b. Monzingen Weinsheim Windesheim [apologies for leaving off the umlauts] -- Jillaine Smith, Washington DC __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com

Happy New Year to all fellow listers My New Year`s resolution is to learn the origin of my immigrant ancestor Nicola/Nicolaus Walter who came to America on Sept. 9, 1751 on the ship Patience. A deceased relative had obtained a photo-copy of the ships passenger list from a book titled "Pennsylvania German Pioneers" pages 533 and 534. The document indicates that there were 8 Roman Catholics among the passengers, 3 or 4 being my ancestor and his family. A copy of this list that I obtained from The Olive Tree Genealogy site indicates that these passengers were Palatines. Since I am fairly new at this I have a few questions that I hope some of you listers can answer for me. Are there any additional records available that would relate to these passengers arriving in Philadelphia that might more specifically indicate where they came from? What is the significance of the notation about 8 Roman Catholics on board? If these passengers were Palatines, from what area of present day Germany would they have come from? Thanks in advance for any help anyone can give me. Robert Walter

I've been watching the list for some time and thought I would send my request. I am researching my ggggrandparents Heinrich (Henry) HANS and Catherine SCHEY. They immigrated to Albany, NY around 1850 from Marienthal near Rockenhausen. This area was then part of Bavaria. Heinrich's parents were Johanns Jacob HANS and Katherine Elizabetha KLEIN. If any of these names tie into your research, please let me know. Thank you, Joe Jennings

I am interested in finding out if anyone else is researching the name LEIXNER? I have found it to be a fairly uncommon surname. My Leixner families were located in the following towns: Fischbach am Nahe, Essweiler, Foeckelberg, Bosenbach Regards, Nancy

Hello Joe, thanks for the hint, but you know using a program over a longer periode of time is kind of being married. And I doubt wether the new wife or husband always proof better than the old one. So I luckily downgraded to PAF 4.04. Best regards Ernst. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph Miller" <joemiller@power-net.net> To: "Ernst Dierich" <edierich@t-online.de>; <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2000 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [PFALZ] Misbehavior of PAF 5 > Ernst (and everyone else on the list) > > > Yesterday I downloaded, installed and run the brand new PAF 5 program. The > > new surface is quite attractive and the possibilbility of defining own > > data-entry templates has been attended for a long time. > > > > Now I ruefully came back to PAF 4. The new feature of single line names > with > > a slash before and after the surname produces a major bug with names > ending > > with 'ß' like 'Wambsganß'. The program converts the ending 'ß' into 'ss' > but > > adds additional signs (ASCII NUL and others). The combination 'ß/' seem to > > create not forseeable escape-sequences. > > > > One could ask now: Why don't you just change the endings of your names > from > > 'ß' into 'ss' ? This is a good question but you can also ask: Why should I > > use a program which is not able to cope with names existing for centuries > ? > > And there are programs which can cope with such names like PAF 4. > > I have been using Brother's Keeper for almost 9 years and am a very happy > user. I had this problem several years ago when using the DOS version and an > upgrade didn't translate characters correctly (this was YEARS ago), but > since using the Windows version, all characters are being stored correctly. > I don't have the 'ß' in any of family names but I have a lot of > MILLER/MÜLLER KRAMER/KRÄMER requiring use of the umlaud. Please note that > this shareware... you try it free for thirty days, and if you like it, then > send them some money. The URL is below: > > http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Brothers_Keeper/ > > Gruß, Joe aus Troy Michigan >

Ernst (and everyone else on the list) > Yesterday I downloaded, installed and run the brand new PAF 5 program. The > new surface is quite attractive and the possibilbility of defining own > data-entry templates has been attended for a long time. > > Now I ruefully came back to PAF 4. The new feature of single line names with > a slash before and after the surname produces a major bug with names ending > with 'ß' like 'Wambsganß'. The program converts the ending 'ß' into 'ss' but > adds additional signs (ASCII NUL and others). The combination 'ß/' seem to > create not forseeable escape-sequences. > > One could ask now: Why don't you just change the endings of your names from > 'ß' into 'ss' ? This is a good question but you can also ask: Why should I > use a program which is not able to cope with names existing for centuries ? > And there are programs which can cope with such names like PAF 4. I have been using Brother's Keeper for almost 9 years and am a very happy user. I had this problem several years ago when using the DOS version and an upgrade didn't translate characters correctly (this was YEARS ago), but since using the Windows version, all characters are being stored correctly. I don't have the 'ß' in any of family names but I have a lot of MILLER/MÜLLER KRAMER/KRÄMER requiring use of the umlaud. Please note that this shareware... you try it free for thirty days, and if you like it, then send them some money. The URL is below: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/Brothers_Keeper/ Gruß, Joe aus Troy Michigan

I too went back to PAF4, but sadly found the files I'd used in PAF5 were now corrupted and could no longer be used by Version 4, but happily I'd not used it for long and so had not used all of the 3 copies I make after editing new info. With importing these unused files by PAF5 I was able to use PAF4 again...Thank God. I'd thought I'd LOST everything. I'm glad I keep many backup files and copies ever since some earlier problems. Make copies, copies, copies, backup often ! I have all my files now on CD for safekeeping...Thank God Marty Graybill I too will stick with PAF4! I have many German and Swiss Characters in my files that I wish to keep > -----Original Message----- > From: Ernst Dierich [mailto:edierich@t-online.de] > Sent: Tuesday, December 26, 2000 11:41 PM > To: PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PFALZ] Misbehavior of PAF 5 > > > Hello, > > Yesterday I downloaded, installed and run the brand new PAF 5 program. The > new surface is quite attractive and the possibilbility of defining own > data-entry templates has been attended for a long time. > > Now I ruefully came back to PAF 4. The new feature of single line > names with > a slash before and after the surname produces a major bug with > names ending > with 'ß' like 'Wambsganß'. The program converts the ending 'ß' > into 'ss' but > adds additional signs (ASCII NUL and others). The combination 'ß/' seem to > create not forseeable escape-sequences. > > One could ask now: Why don't you just change the endings of your > names from > 'ß' into 'ss' ? This is a good question but you can also ask: Why should I > use a program which is not able to cope with names existing for > centuries ? > And there are programs which can cope with such names like PAF 4. > > Regards > Ernst Dierich. > > > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe >

Hello, Yesterday I downloaded, installed and run the brand new PAF 5 program. The new surface is quite attractive and the possibilbility of defining own data-entry templates has been attended for a long time. Now I ruefully came back to PAF 4. The new feature of single line names with a slash before and after the surname produces a major bug with names ending with 'ß' like 'Wambsganß'. The program converts the ending 'ß' into 'ss' but adds additional signs (ASCII NUL and others). The combination 'ß/' seem to create not forseeable escape-sequences. One could ask now: Why don't you just change the endings of your names from 'ß' into 'ss' ? This is a good question but you can also ask: Why should I use a program which is not able to cope with names existing for centuries ? And there are programs which can cope with such names like PAF 4. Regards Ernst Dierich.

I am Hunting for information on my great-great grandfather Heinrich Zapp he was married to Marie Elizabeth Kolter. My grandfather and great granfather (my namesakes) both named Peter were born in Morbach, Pfalz. Heinrich and Elizabeth had 10 children: Heinrich II, Christoph (Christian), Elizabeth, Johannes married to Dorothea Woll then to USA), Carl, Peter Married to Elisabetha Kissel (died 1899 in Morbach), Daniel, Christina (Married to Henrich II Schick then to USA), Barbara, and Adam. One of the brothers other than John and Christina came to the USA settling in Boston. Like to discover which one it was. I am hunting for birth, marriage and death dates for Heinrich, and information one his ancestors (Father supposedly named Christoph), and and descendents which remained in Germany. Would appreciate info on Frenger,Kissel,Hebel, Alspach and Godtel families. Elizbeth Godtel of Niederkirchen married Peter II Zapp (My grandfather) then to USA. Elizabeth's Parents Adam Godtel and Margaretha Hebel. I am also hunting for histories on the villages they came from, Morbach, Niederkirchen, Woersbach, Heimkirchen, Jettenbach, Erfenbach, Iggelheim, Kreimbach, Kaulbach, Hirschorn, Heligenmoschel, Thaleischweiler, Dielkirchen, Hollborn, and Holbornerhof. I found one for Wolfstein which I am currently attempting to interpret and index the names. Any information on finding any of the above would be greatly appreciated. I am trying to research heinrich on LDS films, but our local center is hardly ever open. Gary P. Zapp

Hello Lyle, Bergzabern is a town now-a-days named Bad Bergzabern located in the German Federal state of Rheinland-Pfalz, ZIP code 76887. Your Kleeburg is probably the actual Cleebourg located in Alsace, France near Wissembourg close to the border to Germany. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wvlyle@aol.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 25, 2000 6:32 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Kleeburg, Bergzabern, Germany > Trying to find exact location of Kleeburg, Bergzabern area in Pfalz. My map > is not good enough. And, what is Kleeburg? Bergzabern is a state, right? > Thanks for help....Lyle Corder

Lyle sorry about the address I sent about the maps, it is a Deutch web server map, but will find you a map on the web you can use. Bette ===== Bette Sears home page http://www.geocities.com/bezzsears For Researching Beck, Bohn, Craven, Cravin, Hall, Hild, Hohl, Layton, Peoples, Presley, Ruth, Schwaegerle, Sears, Simon, Stanford, Vogel __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

IdaKay, you are on the right list. I could not find Klotzenburg on my map, but Altenglan is on the Glahn river and is now in the county of Kusel. It is on Autobahn 62 about 15km NW of Landstuhl. I would also reckon that your ancestors were Lutheran, but there is no guarantee, as there were Catholic enclaves in the Pfalz as well. David Eyre now in Mainz, Germany, the capitol of Rheinland-Pfalz deyre@gmx.de My genealogy can be found at this link http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=davideyre ----- Original Message ----- From: "IdaKay Orsted" <idakay@dcwis.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, December 23, 2000 10:42 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Towns?? > Hi To All, > > Have been lurking & trying to learn, slow learner here. > > I have found after 30 + years of searching the name of the town in Germany where my G-g-grandfather came from. Heinrich > APPEL was born March 16, 1811 in Krotzenburg Germany. His children were born in Altenglan Germany. > > The questions I have are: > 1. Should I be looking for information in Bayern or in Pflaz? I am confused, I know the boundaries have changed but how do I start. > > 2. The family when they came to Chicago IL came about 1861 & were Lutheran's. Some people are trying to tell me that they were Catholics in the old country. I don't understand this fact. They have told me all German's of that time frame were Catholics > > > Any & all help would be appreciated. I would love to connect with a living family member in Germany but I know that is a VERY long shot at this time. Have others found living relatives in Germany? > > TIA > > IdaKay Appel > > ______________________________

Trying to find exact location of Kleeburg, Bergzabern area in Pfalz. My map is not good enough. And, what is Kleeburg? Bergzabern is a state, right? Thanks for help....Lyle Corder

Since I will be busy for the next week with vacation/holidays I would like to make one last posting for the year (hopefully I can sneak a peak at some responses without my spouse noticing). During this busy time of the year if anyone possessing Church Books could check for Evan. listings of the Schropp name I would greatly appreciate it. I am especially interested in listings for the Neckarkries and Weinsberg areas of Wuerttemberg. I am trying to find the parents of Andreas Schropp who was born about 1660. Rooting through 800 entries of Schropps from the LDS archives has given me about 25 viable leads in this area. Thanks to everyone helping with this research to date. Happy holidays to all. aplsr@hotmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi To All, Have been lurking & trying to learn, slow learner here. I have found after 30 + years of searching the name of the town in Germany where my G-g-grandfather came from. Heinrich APPEL was born March 16, 1811 in Krotzenburg Germany. His children were born in Altenglan Germany. The questions I have are: 1. Should I be looking for information in Bayern or in Pflaz? I am confused, I know the boundaries have changed but how do I start. 2. The family when they came to Chicago IL came about 1861 & were Lutheran's. Some people are trying to tell me that they were Catholics in the old country. I don't understand this fact. They have told me all German's of that time frame were Catholics Any & all help would be appreciated. I would love to connect with a living family member in Germany but I know that is a VERY long shot at this time. Have others found living relatives in Germany? TIA IdaKay Appel

Can anyone help in linking the following family groups? The first US ancestors emigrated i about 1730, but we have been unable to establish a link with those in France. Below I have listed first the US lineage, and then a short lineage of an Abraham in France. I like to find out if the Daniel in group 1 could be a child of Abraham (b. 7 May 1654) in France. In the U.S., the name has been changed to LaBar, LeBar, LaBarr, LaBarre, LeBarre... If there is anyone out there researching these names, I'd like to get in contact. Thanks in advance, Sherri ******************************************************************************* (Generation 3 emigrated to USA) 1 Abraham De LaBarre b. abt 1650 d. ???? 2 Daniel __ LaBarre b. 1680 d. ???? m. Judith __ Rossignal m. 03 APR 1700 b. 1670 d. ???? 3 Abraham __ LaBar b. abt 1700 d. abt 1750 3 Peter __ LaBarre b. 1 Feb 1700/1 d. abt 1782 m. Maria Catherine __ m. abt 1730 b. ???? d. ???? 3 William (Wilhelm) __ LaBarre b. abt 1704 d. 1761 3 Charles __ LaBar 3 Philip __ LaBarre m. Sarah __ __ 3 Maria Barbara LaBarre b. abt 1710 d. 1788 m. John __ Lang (Long) ******************************************************************************* (French records) 1. Abraham de la Barre b. ???? d. ???? m. Anne du Pré b. ???? d. ???? |__2. Abraham de la Barre b. 7 May 1654 in Beindersheim, Pfalz d. 13 Jan 1699 in Strasburg, Uckermark m. Marie Jean Charles b. 1660 in Sailly-en-Alloeu, frz. Flandern d. 24 July 1728 | in Strasburg, Uckermark |__3. Guillaume de la Barre b. 1684 in Beindersheim, Pfalz d. 12 Mar 1748 in | Strasburg, Uckermark | m. Sara de Frene b. Mar 1685 in Mutterstadt, Pfalz (m. 12 Apr 1707 in | | Strasburg, Uckermark) d. 24 Dec 1756 | | in Strasburg, Uckermark | |__4. Abraham de la Barre b. 13 May 1708 in Strasburg, Uckermark in | | Prenzlau | | m. Maria Neueglise b. 1709 in Battin bei Prenzlau (m. 4 May | | | 1729) d. 1 Aug 1784 in Strasburg, Uckermark | | |__5. Elizabeth de la Barre b. ???? | | m. Jakob Fouquet b. 28 Nov 1707 in Strassburg, Uckermark | | d. 20 Jan 1772 in Strasburg, Uckermark | |__4. Sara de la Barre b. 1 Dec 1711 in Strasburg, Uckermark | |__4. Isaac de la Barre b. 3 Jun 1713 in Strasburg, Uckermark | |__4. Jean de la Barre b. 16 Feb 1715 in Strasburg, Uckermark | |__4. Marie de la Barre b. 15 May 1718 in Strasburg, Uckermark |__3. Abraham de la Barre b. 5 May 1686 in Frankenthal, Pfalz |__3. Isaac de la Barre b. 7 Jul 1688 in Frankenthal, Pfalz ********************************************************************************** -- Sherri LaBar Bangor PA Northampton County

I just wanted to post a brief note to one and all and wish them a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. May 2001 bring everyone wonderful genealogical breakthroughs and other riches. Sarah Adams

Bernice: Many of my ancestors came from Grethen, Hausen, and Bad Dürkheim. This particular area had excellent civil records beginning about 1800, and if the marriage occurred during this time, a civil record might very well exist. These records have been microfilmed, and can be borrowed from the LDS Family History Center. Excellent records also exist for the evangelical church in the area, going back to the mid 1600s. These can be accessed as well from the FHC. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: <BTFRATT@aol.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 2:55 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Tresch/Feurstein > I am still trying to get information about Jacob Tresch from Grethen, Bayern, > Pfalz. A previous lister gave me information about his parents but I still > can't find out if and when he married Veronica Feurstein either in Germany or > whether it was here in the US. If anyone has any information about a > Fleurstein family I would be very grateful to hear. > Bernice > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe > >

Hello, I think you know already one ancestor. Casperi is the genetive form of the first name Casper (Caspar). So Henricus (Heinrich, Henry) Mueller could well be the son of (S. v.) Caspar Mueller. Regards Ernst Dierich. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ray-Linda Meurer" <rmuerer@yahoo.com> To: <PFALZ-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 18, 2000 11:26 PM Subject: [PFALZ] Mueller/Muller > I have a Henricus Mu/e/ller, who's other name may > of been Casperi, who m. Susanna Breuer on 8 Apr, > 1777 in Katholisch, Laumersheim, Pfalz, Bayern. > Their children were Anna Eva, Henricus Adolphus, > who became a surgeon & m. Catharina Elisabetha > Kuttner, Anna Maria, Maria Theresia, who m. > Johannes Michaelis Deguenther, Joannes, who m. > Gertrud Weibert, Joannes Michael, who m. Anna > Maria Ursula Schilling, & Joannes Christopher, > who m. Friedrica Diehl. > I would like info. on their ancestors. > rmuerer@yahoo.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. > http://shopping.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== PFALZ Mailing List ==== > Going on vacation longer than 4 days? Go to > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/DEU/PFALZ.html > to unsubscribe >