Thanks for that Gavin, there is however another puzzle as neither Robert PETRIE b 1851, or his father William PETRIE b 1821 appear to be on the 1881 census index on CD Rom curious, but i know there are odd spellings etc. Did you see that English National Archives are launching a new web site shortly at www.ancestorsonboard.com this will eventually cover passenger lists 1890 to 1960 outward from England thanks again George N Henderson