The base from which I have worked my family history researches is the contention of my grandfather that all the Petries of the Northeast of Scotland are indeed related. To this end I have complied a card index of the Petries recorded in the IGI for the counties of Moray, Banff, Aberdeen and Kincardine. The record of there movement over time seems to be clear as they moved from Moray through Banff into Aberdeen and Kincardine. Though family groupings can be identified the difficulty arises in the tying of which William to which John or James with a sometime George or Alexander thrown in. The additions of a Joseph, Andrew, Charles, Robert and Samuel in my own family made things a little easier as they lived and grew in the Parish of Kennethmont. They were the sons of William Petrie who married twice first to Ann Isaac and then to Ann Robertson. His own family numbered 14 children who seemed to break the norm and lived beyond childhood. This resulted in a known 41 grandchildren of whose descendants apart from my own I have only been able to contact three. One line remains near there origins at the parish of Clatt, one is in New Zealand and another in Canada. My Grandfather also contended that we were a clan in our own right and to this end I wonder if anyone has done work on the origins and history of the MacPetries of Mar recorded as being MacGregors. In this same line of research has anyone done any research on the original holders of the Petrie Crest and motto "Fide Sed Vide" One of my roadblocks has been to sort out the Petries as they moved in and out of the Parish of Drumblade however without some additional information it is impossible to attached which William to which John or James. I have made one or two positive connects without being able to tie them positively to my own line. Regards Murray.

Hi Murray, I was interested in the work you have done on the north east Petries as I grew up in Banffshire myself, though from Dundee stock. I still know at least one Petrie in Keith who may be able to give you some information. Will try and see him the next time I am up and find out if he is interested in family history. You ask about the Petrie MacGregor connection. I have done some digging on this as am interested in the early roots of the name. It seems to be recognised, that when the name MacGregor was banned or proscribed by James VI, that some took up the name Petrie and this is why Petrie is a sept of the Clan. No-one has ever been able to present any written evidence of this. I have had a message on the MacGregor Clan site for some time asking for more historical background, but it has never been forthcoming. The name was around before this time anyway and it would have made sense for MacGregors, looking for an alternative name, to choose an existing one, with no adverse political connotations. We may be able to conclude that the Petries were pretty neutral politically, or of little power and influence if the name was seen as a safe one to adopt in troubled times. I can be more precise on the coat of arms and the motto "Fide Sed Vide". I have corresponded directly with both Petries listed in Debrettes, Lord Petre, and Sir Peter Petrie. Lord Petre, who has a distinguished family history going way back, was able to tell me that their name is completely unrelated to us Petries. The name was in fact a fabricated one, when the family acquired the Manor of Ingatestone in 1538. The motto of the manor was "Ginge ad Petram", and they changed their name to Petre, to give it a spurious ancestral link with the manor. Now the coat of AGMs and motto belong to Sir Peter Petrie's family, but is of recent origin. The first of the line was Sir Charles Petrie, elevated in 1918, for his work as mayor of Liverpool and Leader of the Conservative Party. Although the family came to Liverpool from Ireland, they seem to originate in Aberdeenshire, so are one of us. Norma has done a count, and it is clear that Angus was the centre of Petrie origins in Scotland, with groups in the north east, and Orkney. It would be very interesting to see your work on tracking this movement to the NE. There are clusters of Petries in various parts of Europe, but it seems unlikely that they are linked to the Scots. The most likely explanation is that when surnames become more common, they used the patronymic version of Peter or its latinised version, Petrus and adopted it as a surname. Thus the same name can pop up in various locations, though unconnected. The Scottish Petrie group does seem to be a single group, however, plus the MacGregors who adopted it, and your research would help us prove this. Jim Petrie, Isle of Wight. ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray Petrie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Petrie Family History > The base from which I have worked my family history researches is the > contention of my grandfather that all the Petries of the Northeast of > Scotland are indeed related. To this end I have complied a card index of > the Petries recorded in the IGI for the counties of Moray, Banff, Aberdeen > and Kincardine. The record of there movement over time seems to be clear as > they moved from Moray through Banff into Aberdeen and Kincardine. Though > family groupings can be identified the difficulty arises in the tying of > which William to which John or James with a sometime George or Alexander > thrown in. The additions of a Joseph, Andrew, Charles, Robert and Samuel in > my own family made things a little easier as they lived and grew in the > Parish of Kennethmont. They were the sons of William Petrie who married > twice first to Ann Isaac and then to Ann Robertson. His own family numbered > 14 children who seemed to break the norm and lived beyond childhood. This > resulted in a known 41 grandchildren of whose descendants apart from my own > I have only been able to contact three. One line remains near there origins > at the parish of Clatt, one is in New Zealand and another in Canada. > > My Grandfather also contended that we were a clan in our own right and to > this end I wonder if anyone has done work on the origins and history of the > MacPetries of Mar recorded as being MacGregors. In this same line of > research has anyone done any research on the original holders of the Petrie > Crest and motto "Fide Sed Vide" > > One of my roadblocks has been to sort out the Petries as they moved in and > out of the Parish of Drumblade however without some additional information > it is impossible to attached which William to which John or James. I have > made one or two positive connects without being able to tie them positively > to my own line. > > Regards Murray. > > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > Checkout the Petrie Querie Board & Petrie Resource Page on the WWW > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/pet/Petrie > >

Hi Jim As per my recent reply to Murray, I too am related to his line of Petrie's. But I thought I would just drop you a note and tell you that originally I too am from Keith and grew up there with the rest of my family. My parents still live there as well. There is also 3-5 other Petrie families there, but none of them related to our line (as far as I know at the moment), so now you know another 'Keith' Petrie. regards Carol Inverness ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Petrie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, June 01, 2001 10:24 AM Subject: Re: [Petrie-Scotland] Petrie Family History > Hi Murray, > > I was interested in the work you have done on the north east Petries as I > grew up in Banffshire myself, though from Dundee stock. I still know at > least one Petrie in Keith who may be able to give you some information. Will > try and see him the next time I am up and find out if he is interested in > family history. > > You ask about the Petrie MacGregor connection. I have done some digging on > this as am interested in the early roots of the name. It seems to be > recognised, that when the name MacGregor was banned or proscribed by James > VI, that some took up the name Petrie and this is why Petrie is a sept of > the Clan. No-one has ever been able to present any written evidence of this. > I have had a message on the MacGregor Clan site for some time asking for > more historical background, but it has never been forthcoming. The name was > around before this time anyway and it would have made sense for MacGregors, > looking for an alternative name, to choose an existing one, with no adverse > political connotations. We may be able to conclude that the Petries were > pretty neutral politically, or of little power and influence if the name was > seen as a safe one to adopt in troubled times. > > I can be more precise on the coat of arms and the motto "Fide Sed Vide". I > have corresponded directly with both Petries listed in Debrettes, Lord > Petre, and Sir Peter Petrie. Lord Petre, who has a distinguished family > history going way back, was able to tell me that their name is completely > unrelated to us Petries. The name was in fact a fabricated one, when the > family acquired the Manor of Ingatestone in 1538. The motto of the manor was > "Ginge ad Petram", and they changed their name to Petre, to give it a > spurious ancestral link with the manor. > > Now the coat of AGMs and motto belong to Sir Peter Petrie's family, but is > of recent origin. The first of the line was Sir Charles Petrie, elevated in > 1918, for his work as mayor of Liverpool and Leader of the Conservative > Party. Although the family came to Liverpool from Ireland, they seem to > originate in Aberdeenshire, so are one of us. > > Norma has done a count, and it is clear that Angus was the centre of Petrie > origins in Scotland, with groups in the north east, and Orkney. It would be > very interesting to see your work on tracking this movement to the NE. > > There are clusters of Petries in various parts of Europe, but it seems > unlikely that they are linked to the Scots. The most likely explanation is > that when surnames become more common, they used the patronymic version of > Peter or its latinised version, Petrus and adopted it as a surname. Thus the > same name can pop up in various locations, though unconnected. The Scottish > Petrie group does seem to be a single group, however, plus the MacGregors > who adopted it, and your research would help us prove this. > > Jim Petrie, Isle of Wight. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Murray Petrie <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:18 PM > Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Petrie Family History > > > > The base from which I have worked my family history researches is the > > contention of my grandfather that all the Petries of the Northeast of > > Scotland are indeed related. To this end I have complied a card index of > > the Petries recorded in the IGI for the counties of Moray, Banff, Aberdeen > > and Kincardine. The record of there movement over time seems to be clear > as > > they moved from Moray through Banff into Aberdeen and Kincardine. Though > > family groupings can be identified the difficulty arises in the tying of > > which William to which John or James with a sometime George or Alexander > > thrown in. The additions of a Joseph, Andrew, Charles, Robert and Samuel > in > > my own family made things a little easier as they lived and grew in the > > Parish of Kennethmont. They were the sons of William Petrie who married > > twice first to Ann Isaac and then to Ann Robertson. His own family > numbered > > 14 children who seemed to break the norm and lived beyond childhood. This > > resulted in a known 41 grandchildren of whose descendants apart from my > own > > I have only been able to contact three. One line remains near there > origins > > at the parish of Clatt, one is in New Zealand and another in Canada. > > > > My Grandfather also contended that we were a clan in our own right and to > > this end I wonder if anyone has done work on the origins and history of > the > > MacPetries of Mar recorded as being MacGregors. In this same line of > > research has anyone done any research on the original holders of the > Petrie > > Crest and motto "Fide Sed Vide" > > > > One of my roadblocks has been to sort out the Petries as they moved in and > > out of the Parish of Drumblade however without some additional information > > it is impossible to attached which William to which John or James. I have > > made one or two positive connects without being able to tie them > positively > > to my own line. > > > > Regards Murray. > > > > > > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > > Checkout the Petrie Querie Board & Petrie Resource Page on the WWW > > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/pet/Petrie > > > > > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > Need Assistance.... > your Petrie-Scotland List Administrator is Norma Thain...contact her at [email protected] >

Hi Murray I'm Carol Petrie and like George Robb, George Henderson and George Brander I am a descendant (directly thru the male line) of William Petrie and his second wife Ann Robertson. If memory serves my right I think your name was given to me last year by George Henderson, but I have not yet managed to write to you directly. Are you a descendant of Robert Petrie and wife Ann Wink ? If you care to give me your address I will be happy to send you a copy of my Petrie family tree which includes info on their 3 childen William, Joseph & Isabella. Regards Carol ----- Original Message ----- From: Murray Petrie <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 6:18 PM Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Petrie Family History > The base from which I have worked my family history researches is the > contention of my grandfather that all the Petries of the Northeast of > Scotland are indeed related. To this end I have complied a card index of > the Petries recorded in the IGI for the counties of Moray, Banff, Aberdeen > and Kincardine. The record of there movement over time seems to be clear as > they moved from Moray through Banff into Aberdeen and Kincardine. Though > family groupings can be identified the difficulty arises in the tying of > which William to which John or James with a sometime George or Alexander > thrown in. The additions of a Joseph, Andrew, Charles, Robert and Samuel in > my own family made things a little easier as they lived and grew in the > Parish of Kennethmont. They were the sons of William Petrie who married > twice first to Ann Isaac and then to Ann Robertson. His own family numbered > 14 children who seemed to break the norm and lived beyond childhood. This > resulted in a known 41 grandchildren of whose descendants apart from my own > I have only been able to contact three. One line remains near there origins > at the parish of Clatt, one is in New Zealand and another in Canada. > > My Grandfather also contended that we were a clan in our own right and to > this end I wonder if anyone has done work on the origins and history of the > MacPetries of Mar recorded as being MacGregors. In this same line of > research has anyone done any research on the original holders of the Petrie > Crest and motto "Fide Sed Vide" > > One of my roadblocks has been to sort out the Petries as they moved in and > out of the Parish of Drumblade however without some additional information > it is impossible to attached which William to which John or James. I have > made one or two positive connects without being able to tie them positively > to my own line. > > Regards Murray. > > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > Checkout the Petrie Querie Board & Petrie Resource Page on the WWW > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/pet/Petrie >