This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- Hi, can anyone help with this query? Sorry the info I have is so vague and limited, will try to find out more. Someone contacted my sister in law, researching a Petrie connected with the Manchester area of England, who was a concert pianist (?) and played with the Philharmonic Orchestra. I think she mentioned a french- Canadian connection, as well as the Manchester one. Ring any bells? (or tinkle any ivories?). Sorry, no names or dates, but wondered if anyone has any info before she phones me. Thanks Lynn --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 26/04/01

Hi Jim, Pleased to hear you had a nice trip to Dundee, and found a lot of useful information for your research, and that the City Archivist Department was helpful with the Kirk Session records. The Archive Department will be in attendance at our Petrie Gathering in August so we all know now not to miss having a word with them on the records they hold. Many thanks for passing on the bits & pieces of information you found in the Murroes Kirk Session records I was very interested to read the details you found on John Petrie - Cap Maker..... I am sure we have discussed him before....from his death certificate in 1855 it named his parents as David Petrie & Janet Bathie, since his death was registered by his son-in-law....(and son-in-law's are not renowned for getting important family details correct in my experience !!! :o) I have long suspected that this may have been an error and that his father's name should have read "Alexander Petrie"...he would therefore be of your Petrie line. I hope the Flinders Petrie exhibition at the Burrell Collection in Glasgow was interesting too.... I am already in touch with the exhibition organisers who have promised they will send brochures and posters for us to show at our Gathering, as I thought it would be of mutual benefit to both venues. They were very interested to hear of our Petrie Gathering and have since asked if we would be interested in doing a joint press release with them nearer the time !!! :o) Which of course we will do..... !! Unfortunately I and they have very little information on Matthew Flinders Petrie line other than his immediate family, I'll send the known information in a separate e.mail ... as perhaps someone on the list can help us further with this. Cheerio the noo Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Petrie" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 11, 2001 9:38 AM Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] ANGUS PETRIES > Thanks to all those that sent me tips on accessing information in Dundee and on car parking, etc. Inevitably, in a short visit, I only managed a fraction of what I had hoped to do, but it was productive and I have a lot of sources to follow up on future trips. The temporary, one way traffic system did play havoc with my timing. > The City Archivist was very helpful and I had a good dig through the Kirk Session records for Murroes and Monifieth for the late 18th and early 19th centuries. As always, the holes in the information were at the key dates I was interested in, but I did pick up a scattering of Petrie tit-bits that add to the overall picture, mostly on my own line. There are one or two pieces outside that, for Murroes. > >From mortcloth records, Henry Petrie, born 9/5/1733 died in July 1793. > Again, from mortcloth records, Alexander Petrie had a child that died Nov 1790. There is no christening record for this child. > Margaret Petrie, possibly the one born 1704, was on parish charity for a long period up to 1806 and would have needed it if she lived to 102 years! > John Petrie, born 1779, was obviously quite a successful cap maker and paid for a pew over a period of time, including 14/- in 1825, quite a lot of money then. The money went to the poor. > > The Monifieth Kirk Session was particularly keen on detailed investigation and punishments for "ante nuptial fornication" - lots of juicy gossip there! Unfortunately, the period I was interested in was missing. > > Went to the Flinders Petrie exhibition at the Burrell which seems to follow his approach of making Egyptology accessible and popular. Have a catalogue which I will bring to the Gathering. Do we know anything about his branch of the family? > > Jim Petrie, Isle of Wight. > > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > To send a message to everyone on this Petrie-Scotland List, our address is > [email protected] > >

To all those of you who replied - Thank you. Patricia

A lady from Aberdeen has contacted me about the Gathering and I have sent details to her. This is due to the fact that the details have now been publicised in the journal of the Aberdeen and North East Scotland Family History Society. We may have more enquiries as a result of this half page free advert!! One has already e-mailed me and the details that Norma provided some time ago have been sent to her this evening. Norma - you may get some enquiries as well, because your name is on the article that I wrote :0) My first correspondent does not have e-mail, so I am giving some details below and ask that anyone on the list who is researching her family line will contact me. I shall then send the lady's name and address "off list" if you wish to make contact. The lady is descended from JEANNIE PETRIE born 1849, Inverness, died 1925, Elgin, whose parents were THOMAS PETRIE and CHRISTINA TUACH. This couple married on 24 May 1847, Inverness. (This is confirmed from Norma's data base) If anyone is interested, please let me know. I should like to help her, as she has - by pure coincidence - been able to provide me with some information about my own Aberdeen ancestors (not Petrie, but SMITH!!) We have been rather quiet lately, but hope to see many of you in Dundee this August. Cheerio, from Stephen and Karen (Kirkmichael Petries!!) Researching the following names in Scotland:- DONALD; MOLLISON; SMITH; STRACHAN - Aberbeenshire RUTHERFORD - Roxburghshire ELMESLEY; GLASHAN - Banffshire COLLIE; KELLY; SPENCE - Morayshire BRODIE; FORBES; GOW; PETRIE - Perthshire

Hello all Can someone please tell me what is a COTTER HOUSE? regards Patricia Taggart

Patricia & Others Interested in "Cottar House", Having come from a long line of "farm servants" or "cottars" I have collected some references to the term "cottar" from my relatives in Northeast Scotland over the years. A special thanks for the following to my fourth cousin, Christine Mary (Mackenzie) Glover, of the Tay Valley History Centre. Dave Petrie Arden Hills, Minnesota ===================================================== "Grandfather, Robert Petrie, was born in the parish of Inverkeillor in Forfarshire, otherwise known as Angus, and it was this area and just over the border into Kincardineshire, in which all his known ancestors were found. The following description of farm servant hiring practices described below probably apply to the eighteenth and early ninteenth century. The countryside of these two counties is mainly agricultural land, with the North Sea to the East and the Grampian Mountains to the North and West. Consequently, most of the Petries worked on the land as agricultural labourers or farm servants. As can be seen from places of residence mentioned in the Parish Registers at the time of family events, they often moved from one farm to another so it is probable that they took part in the hiring fairs common at that time. 'The Ballad and the Plough' by David Kerr Cameron includes the following passages about the hiring of farm workers in North-East Scotland:' There was hard bargaining done in the cottars' markets but they were gentlemanly affairs conpared with the big feeing fairs; mainly for the single men, their notoriety was a byword in the bothies of the land. ["Bothie" or "bothy" was a kind of Scottish "bunkhouse" for young single men working on a farm.] There the men of the farmtowns hired their brawn and their skills to the highest bidder and bound themselves to that bargain for a six-month [period]. They were held, these hiring fairs, in every principal town in the country, a few days to a fortnight before the terms, 28 May and 28 November, the dates on which a farm servant officially ended his engagement at a farm-toun. The fair names differed but the scene they presented was remarkably similar: a slow-moving mass, a figure detaching itself from a group here, adhering to another there, knots of men sundering with handshakes, all of them farm folk little at ease in a town environment. Besides the ploughman lads, there were kitchen maids who had pleased their mistresses too little or their masters too well; orra men who had done orra work and stockmen who could not rise in the morning. The occasion had its own protocol. Moves were measured, cautious, circumspect; gambits so veiled as to slip past undetected by the inexperienced for whom, unknown, the day might turn into a vale of missed opportunities. It was a slow dance, a verbal minuet. Among the milling folk, a servant would wait to be approached with an offer, with a hint perhaps from a former bothy colleague. A champion ploughman might do well enough, or a man known to be a good workman whatever his particular skill. 'It was a chancy business; a man might stand all day and not have his services sought after for there was a kind of grapevine amoung grieves that whispered the worth of a man one to another, pin-pointing his frailties as a servant and sometimes as a man. They wheedled and dealed but it was the farmer or the grieve he invariably brought with him who had the upper hand for there was always a spectre at the fair; the stark dark dread of unemployment.' "Accommodation would be limited, most of their houses having two or three rooms with a window, but presumably not as crowded and gloomy as the black houses. 'Scotland's Past In Action - Farming' gives the following descriptions of cottar housing which would probably have been similar to the houses they occupied:'Except for the houses that went with some special occupations such as cattleman or byreman, the cottar hooses were also separate from the steadings - usually in a row. The most basic consisted of one room and a garden for vegetables. New housing soon became miserable and ramshackle, and only a marginal improvement on the old. Clay floors were still the standard, but the new tiled roofs were draughty and provided poor insulation, for there were often no ceilings.'Of the complaints voiced by Scottish farmworkers, housing rather than wages was usually the main one. The often semi-isolataed existence, and bringing up a large family in tied and ramshackle accommodation made the wives frequent champions of emigration to villages, towns or beyond.'" The following passages for "Scotland's Past in Action" and "The Ballad and the Plough" give some idea of the conditions experienced by "farm servants"."North of the Forth, and north of the Tay in particular, for unmarried young men there was the life of the bothies. The system flourished, because the farmers got good value for money in the pride the men took in their work. It was condemned by the guardians of social morality because of the mens' insolence and disregard of organized religion. The bothy, usually part of the steadings, had a bunk-house and a living room with a fireplace. Each man's possession went into one or later two kists, the mealer and the claeser. As the May or November term approached, so did the speakin time. Then the farmer would ask a man if he wished to bide. If the farmer remained silent, the contract would not be renewed, and the man would have to go to the feeing market and seek another place. On the other hand, if the men had fallen out with the farmer or his wife, they might all go, leaving the farmer with a clean toun, a bad name and a new set of men to find." "The cottar folk of the farm touns, travelled light. Each year usually at eh Whitsunday Term but sometimes the Martinmas term one as well, they threw their pitifully few possessions into a farm cart and took the road to a new toun, like pilgrims to a promised land. Few in fact travelled hopefully for the years had taught them better, but in time the May 'flitting' became an addiction, a rootless custom of a rootless society. It may even have been a kind of protest against the tied-cottage tyranny of that time that made married farm servant - a skilled grieve, ploughman, baillie, or orra man - give his wife and children as hostages to fortune [From Chambers Scots Dictionary "bail(l)ie: a farm-steward; a man or boy in charge of the cows on a farm; grieve: a farm-overseer; a foreman; orra-man: a farm-labourer who does odd jobs and not stated work (from orra: unmatched, odd, without a fellow; occasional, doing odd jobs; having no settled occupation)."]. In addition to his 'fee' for his years engagement (paid to him weekly and in such small doses as barely to keep them all alive, with the balance half-yearly), he had the use of a house and his perquisites, those staples of Scottish existence: oatmeal, milk, potatoes, and coal or peat to keep his fire burning. Charitable though it might seem, it was an iniquitous system that blemished the name of many a good farm toun and gave the unscrupulous farmer an unbeatable advantage. Where a single, bothy lad with a mother's house to go home to if it came to it, could tell a miserly or tyrannical farmer what he thought of him and fare little the worse for it, the cottar, with his family to think of, could hardly afford to. This fact set him at a permanent disadvantage in the feeing market, too, and he was often viciously exploited. Many of today's farming dynasties were shamefully founded on the wealth that came from squeezing such men into penury.""In the new farmtoun society that emerged - tenants, cottars and bothy-housed men - his special commitments made the cottar's lot the least enviable. The cheapness and ready availability of farmtoun labour were the constants that ever undermined him. There was always a man on his back, behind him in the queur, ready to take a shilling or two less and in more urgent need of the tied cottar house. But it was not lack of intelligence that snared him forever in the fields of some cottar-toun, it was the pinching poverty. It made sure that he had no room for manoeuvre. Often it robbed him of all dignity."

Regretfully I will have to unsubscribe for a wee while. BUT, I will be back as soon as possible. Thank you everyone for the co-operation you have shown, especially to those of us "over the seas". A special thanks to you, Norma, you have proved yourself to be "one in a million" Bruce. Queensland, Australia. [email protected]

Hi Patricia, This is what I found for your "cotter house" question: Variant(s): or cot·ter /'kä-t&r/ Function: noun Etymology: Middle English cottar, from Medieval Latin cotarius, from Middle English cot Date: 14th century : a peasant or farm laborer who occupies a cottage and sometimes a small holding of land usually in return for services . Thus, Cotter House. Bill Taylor, Waterville, Maine, U.S.A.

Hi Murray , Clare & Norma I know it seems I am trying to claim everyone but the below grave has me interested. All these names fit and I ask your opinion again Norma. John PETRIE married Margaret INNES 1792. Their daughter Helen married John CLARK. John & Margaret's Granddaughter Christine married John MORRICE. If this is my John, then his parents were James PETRIE and Janet MORRICE. I need to do more research now to see how these fit. Murray could I have this picture too. Thank you. regards Patricia Taggart -----Original Message----- From: Clare & Murray Nicoll [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2001 5:47 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Kincardine Inscriptions Hi Gang Clare and I had a day out wandering the graveyards of Kincardineshire. We have visited all the graveyards south of Stonehaven. Here are the inscriptions that we found. I have digital images of the stones. FETTERCAIRN OLD Erected by JOHN PETRIE in memory of his parents JAMES PETRIE who died 24 March 1806 aged 60 years and JANET MORRICE who departed 31 December 1838 aged 82 years also of other relatives JESSIE ANN CLARK 24 December 1849 aged 28 years and her father ALEXANDER CLARK who died 14 February 1851 aged 66 years also MARGARET PETRIE who died 25 June 1855 aged 79 years the above JOHN PETRIE who died 23 March 1863 aged 81 years JANE PETRIE who died 27 March 1865 aged 71 years. reverse In memory of JANET PETRIE wife of ALEXANDER CLARK who died 25 October 1867 aged 83 years.

Hi Murray & Clare Thanks for your hard work wandering around graveyards. The below Mary Fettes Petrie - I wonder if this is Margaret Fettes Petrie daughter of Arthur Petrie and Margaret Mowat. She was born about 1871 according to 1881 census. Are the names Margaret and Mary interchangeable? The fact that one of her sons was Arthur makes me wonder as does the "Fettes" as Margaret's Grandmother was Ann Fiddes. And one of her daughters died in New Zealand!! There are too many coincidences. I would appreciate a picture - thanks. Norma, what do you think? regards Patricia Taggart -----Original Message----- From: Clare & Murray Nicoll [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2001 5:47 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Kincardine Inscriptions Hi Gang Clare and I had a day out wandering the graveyards of Kincardineshire. We have visited all the graveyards south of Stonehaven. Here are the inscriptions that we found. I have digital images of the stones. In loving memory of MARY FETTES PETRIE wife of GEORGE BRAND Drumlithie who died 17 March 1914 aged 39 years and of their family DAVID and WILLIAM twin sons who died in infancy ARTHUR killed in action 1917 aged 21 years ELIZABETH HELEN EMSLIE twin daughter died 29 December 1939 aged 39 years also the above GEORGE BRAND who died at Dumfries 20 July 1943 aged 73 years JOAN twin daughter died at Paeroa New Zealand 25 September 1972 aged 71 years

Hi Gang Clare and I had a day out wandering the graveyards of Kincardineshire. We have visited all the graveyards south of Stonehaven. Here are the inscriptions that we found. I have digital images of the stones. FETTERCAIRN OLD Erected by JOHN PETRIE in memory of his parents JAMES PETRIE who died 24 March 1806 aged 60 years and JANET MORRICE who departed 31 December 1838 aged 82 years also of other relatives JESSIE ANN CLARK 24 December 1849 aged 28 years and her father ALEXANDER CLARK who died 14 February 1851 aged 66 years also MARGARET PETRIE who died 25 June 1855 aged 79 years the above JOHN PETRIE who died 23 March 1863 aged 81 years JANE PETRIE who died 27 March 1865 aged 71 years. reverse In memory of JANET PETRIE wife of ALEXANDER CLARK who died 25 October 1867 aged 83 years. FETTERCAIRN NEW Erected in loving memory of my dear husband JAMES YOUNG MIDDLETON of Balcairn and late of Balbecno died 29 September 1975 aged 74 years also our son WILLIAM SMALL who died in infancy December 1931 also NORA PETRIE died 21 March 1985 aged 86 years beloved wife and mother of the above GLENBERVIE OLD In loving memory of JOHN PETRIE who died 27 December 1882 aged 5 years DAVID PETRIE who died 2 July 1899 aged 22 years ANDREW PETRIE who died 2 April 1905 aged 24 years sons of JAMES PETRIE farmer Mosside Glenbervie also Pte ALEXANDER PETRIE 15 Battalion Canadian BEF killed in action in France 9 1916 aged 27 years also MARY MELVIN wife of JAMES PETRIE who died 12 May 1919 aged 69 years the said JAMES PETRIE who died at Old Bourtie Inverurie 4 January 1931 aged 80 years In loving memory of MARY FETTES PETRIE wife of GEORGE BRAND Drumlithie who died 17 March 1914 aged 39 years and of their family DAVID and WILLIAM twin sons who died in infancy ARTHUR killed in action 1917 aged 21 years ELIZABETH HELEN EMSLIE twin daughter died 29 December 1939 aged 39 years also the above GEORGE BRAND who died at Dumfries 20 July 1943 aged 73 years JOAN twin daughter died at Paeroa New Zealand 25 September 1972 aged 71 years ARBUTHNOTT 1872 by THOMAS PETRIE schoolmaster Garvock in memory of his beloved wife ANN STEPHEN who died 28 December 1871 aged 23 years and of his infant son WILLIAM who died 23 December 1871 aged 3 months GOURDON Erected by ALEXANDER WALKER in loving memory of his wife ELIZABETH PETRIE who died 21 April 1927 aged 60 also their son ALEXANDER killed in action 28 October 1914 aged 27 WILLIAM accidentally killed 16 November 1917 aged 27 FRANK killed in action 27 September 1918 aged 21 ROBERT who died in infancy the above ALEXANDER WALKER died 7 May 1945 aged 80 Erected by their grandchildren in loving memory of JOHN PETRIE who died 13 November 1903 aged 84 years also his wife JANE WALKER who died 7 February 1907 aged 85 years The following graveyards were visited with negative results New Dosk Auchenblae Old Auchenblae New Glenbervie New Catterline Kinneff Inverbervie Hope these are of use to you Clare and Murray Nicoll

Norma / Jacqui, Have been following your discussion with some interest, as I have been digging around the Murroes records too. On Janet Elder, did you pick up from my feedback on kirk session records, a mortcloth fee for a Janet Elder, recorded Dec 19th, 1794. In the same year, another Elder (sorry, don't have his Christian name) was in considerable trouble with the Murroes kirk session for fathering an illegitimate child with a Margaret McHardie. There are a few lines that trace back to Alexander Petrie, son of Henry Petrie/Margaret Elder, born 1761. It seems likely though that there were at least two Alexanders around in Murroes in the late 18th century. There is the Alexander, in my line that married Jean Bathie in 1776 and had their later children in Murroes. There are also some "unallocated"children to an Alexander Petrie in Murroes, mother not named, born in the late 1770's, starting 1775. As the son of Alexander/Margaret Elder would only be 14, he is not a likely father, even if he was a virile Petrie. So we have at least two Alexanders, but it seems likely the older one moved into the parish.Unfortunately the kirk session records for Murroes do not start until 1790, so we cannot get evidence of the unallocated children being born out of wedlock, or of a first wife for the older Alexander who may have died, before he subsequently married Jean Bathie. There are no records around the time of such an incident in Monifieth either, and they were pretty ruthless at pursuing such incidents there. There are several instances of couples being dragged up in front of the Monifieth kirk session around this period for "secretly going off to Edinburgh to get married". This was obviously a good way of confusing the kirk on the relationship of the dates of their marriage and the birth of their child and the kirk did not like it. It is of interest though, as the marriage records of some of these couples will be in Edinburgh rather than in their own parish. I did pick up a reference to an Alexander Petrie, blacksmith in Murroes in these records in 1795. The husband of Jean/Janet Bathie was a blacksmith. The kirk session record for Murroes of Nov 8th 1795 notes that (kirk elder) David Patullo had paid money to Alex Petrie, smith in Barns of Wedderburn, "when in distressed circumstances" These are just bits and pieces at the moment, but may be of use to someone. I would welcome any other such fragments on Murroes around the time, to help build a picture of people and relationships. I agree with Norma that we mustn't think of these parishes in isolation. They were very small geographically and in population. In 1790 the population of Murroes was 623 and Tealing 802 and people did move between them. Jim Petrie, Isle of Wight

Hi Bruce, Delighted to have you join the list, and thanks for sharing your Petrie connections with us. I have some details on your James Petrie & Jessie Sim of Arbroath, which confirms for you some of the information you have already found.... All details sourced from IGI unless otherwise stated.... Marriage on 06 August 1858 JAMES PETRIE & JESSIE SIM at Arbroath, Angus James died 17 May 1907 age 69 Years buried at Western Cemetery, Arbroath Jessie died 16 or 17 July 1888 aged 58 Years Marriage Details sourced from IGI & SRO Death Details sourced from Burial Records & Gravestone 4 known children..... JEMIMA PETRIE born 22 May 1859 at Arbroath MARY JARRON PETRIE born 19 December 1860 at Arbroath DAVID SIM PETRIE born 16 October 1862 at Arbroath JAMES PETRIE born 18 February 1867 at Arbroath ********** I have a transcription of James & Jessie's 1858 marriage certificate.... Marriage Certificate Ref: 1858 ARBROATH Page 34 Entry 68 (source Scottish Records Office) On 06 August 1858 at 19 Seagate, Arbroath (after banns of Church of Scotland) JAMES PETRIE Ships Carpenter - M.S. Bachelor age 20 years of 7 West Grimsby, Arbroath Parents: (Father not named) MARY JARRON JESSIE SIM Mill Worker - Flaxspinner Spinster age 28 years of 19 Seagate, Arbroath Parents: DAVID SIM - Seaman BETTY SIM previously STEIN ms PROCTOR - deceased Witnesses: GRACE BROWN - Weaver WM. LESLIE - Carpenter ************** James & Jessie and their family can be found in the 1881 census at Ref: Volume 272 EnumDist 10 Page 20 *************** The gravestone in Section I at Western Cemetery, Arbroath reads..... Erected by JAMES PETRIE, Ship Wright in memory of his wife JESSIE SIM who died 16 July 1888 aged 58, the above JAMES PETRIE died 17 May 1907 aged 69 years. (Western Cemetery, Section I , Arbroath) **************** Burial Records state.... JAMES PETRIE age 69 years Married died 17 May 1907 interred 21 May 1907 Lair I-510 Arbroath Western Ships Carpenter born Arbroath died at Sunnyside Asylum, Montrose * This burial record would suggest that he perhaps re-married after the death of Jessie Sim ?? If so all his spouses should be noted on his 1907 death certificate... and there is also a chance that his father might be named on it too....which would be useful. Jessie's burial record states JESSIE PETRIE or SIM age 58 years Married died 17 July 1888 interred 19 July 1888 Lair I-511 Arbroath Western born Arbroath died at 19 Seagate, Arbroath Wife of James Petrie, Carpenter * Gravestone notes Jessie died 16 July - Burial records note she died 17 July...correct date needs to be confirmed through her death certificate. As you can see there is still plenty of research needed to be done on the siblings of your Grandfather James Petrie and their descendants, I hope some of the above is of interest and useful for you, and if you discover anything further on any of them we would be most interested to hear. Many thanks too for sharing with us the details of your grandparents James Petrie & Martha Gruchy and their direct descendants.... very much appreciated. I am also interested in your Sim connection, as my maternal grandmother was Ann Sim (b. 1916) from Dundee, I have not studied her ancestral line yet, but if I ever do I will certainly keep an eye out for any possible connections to yours !! :o) Cheerio the noo Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 18, 2001 4:45 AM Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] James Petrie and Jessie Sim of Arbroath, Scotland > Hello to All: > > Hello to the Scotland Petrie List: > > I am the great grandson of James Petrie and Jessie Sim of Arbroath, Scotland. > I personally knew their son (my grandfather) when he was alive. He was also > named James Petrie. Only recently, I got my grandfather's birth record from > the General Registry in Edinburgh. Until then, I did not know the name of > his father and mother. > > I am interested in going back further in time in this line. If anyone has > information to share with me, I would be most delighted to have you send it > along to me. > > For whomever may be interested, I am providing below, a list of the > descendents of James and Jessie of whom I currently have information. > > I am excited about becoming a member of this group and will be interested to > see information about other Petrie family members from Scotland. I am known > by my middle name, Bruce, but my first name is Robert, so you can see that > Scotland has an important place in my heritage. > > Descendents of James Petrie and Jessie Sim Of Arbroath,Scotland > 1 James Petrie; b ?, m August 6, 1858 in Arbroath, Scotland, d ? > +JessieSim; b ?, d ? > 2James Petrie; b February 18, 1867 inArbroath, Scotland at 19 Seagate > (at home); m (approx.)1903; d July23, 1941 in Sioux Falls, SD > +Martha Gruchy; b April 2, 1870, Pouch Cove, Newfoundland; d April 20, > 1940 in Somerville, MA > 3 Mary Edna Petrie; bFebruary 13, 1905 in Beverly, MA; mMay 28, > 1933 in Concord, MA; d July15, 1985 in Houlton, ME > > +Edwin Luther Arnold; b August 25, 1897 in New York City, NY;d > August 15, 1960 in Houlton, ME > 4 Robert Bruce Arnold; b August 5, 1934 in Franklin, NH; m > September 8, 1956 in Houlton, ME > +Avis Marie Sowers; b September 19, 1934 in Houlton, > ME > 5 CatherineBeth Arnold; b April 29, 1968 inHavre de > Grace, MD > 5 David Petrie Arnold; b January 20, 1962 in > Wilmington, DE; m November 26, 1994 in Devon, PA > > +GinaMarie Goida; b July 24, 1964 inCamden, > NJ 6 Zachary Michael > Arnold; b September 16, 1996 in Trenton, NJ > > 6Victoria Rose Arnold; b November 18,1998 in > Trenton, NJ > 4David Stowell Arnold; b June 21,1939 in Houlton, ME; m > June 1961 inHoulton, ME > +Judith Anderson; b July 7, 1939 > > 5 Thomas EdwinArnold; b September 16, 1966 > inBloomfield, CT; m October 23, 1999in Glen Mills, PA > +MarikaVida > 5 Melissa Marie Arnold; b January 7, 1969 in > Bloomfield, CT > 3 Howard Alexander Petrie; bNovember 22, 1906 in Beverly, MA; m > 1933; d March 24, 1968 in Walpole,NH > +Alice Cushman; b 1906 in Boston, MA; d December 27, 1988 in > Potter Valley,CA > 4Eric Cushman Petrie; b March 30,1939 > 2David Petrie; b ?; m ?; d ? > 2Mary Petrie; b ?; m ?; d ? > 2Jennie Petrie; b ?; m ?; d ? > > If this does not come to you in clear and readable text and you can receive > attachments on your regular email service, I will be happy to send this in an > MS Word 6.0 file in Windows 95 format. Just send me your regular email > address. > > Best regards, > > R. Bruce Arnold > 244 Wencin Terrace > West Chester, PA 19382-1990 > Phone: 610-429-9469 > Fax: 610-431-0264 > Email: [email protected] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > If you need to Unsubscribe from this list please send an e.mail to our utility address at [email protected] and type the one word unsubscribe in the message box. (Mail mode users only) > >

Hello, My name is Lorraine Blake, I live in a beautiful part of Australia, 'Tasmania' My line to the Petrie family comes through the Bertie's and goes back a fair way to a Margaret Petrie c.26/9/1697 Craig by Montrose (this information I got from the IGI), Batch No. C112802 Margaret had 2 brothers James c.20/3/1692 and David c.23/2/1696 and a sister Isobell c.2/1/1694. Their father was David but I don't have the mothers name. Margaret Petrie married Alexander Bertie on the 10/6/1725 which I got from the IGI, Batch No M112804 Source Call No.0993418 I have a copy of the marriage entry. What I am looking for is who did David marry or who is the mother of Margaret it there was no marriage, also if what information I have collected is correct, because it is so far back it is a tad hard from this end of the world to gather all the facts and of course there are no family bibles etc to go by. I would be most grateful for any information that might help, I really think I might not be able to get any futher back but if I don't have a go I will never know will I. Cheers Lorraine.

Hi All My mother was Agnes Petrie before she married, and lived in Denniston, Glasgow. Her father was John Caird Petrie b 10.10.1889 at 30 Millgate Loan, Arbroath. I know he had many brothers and sisters, but only know of 4. His father was James Petrie b around 1850 and was a blacksmith. He married Agnes Anderson Steven on June 19th 1874 in Arbroath. If anyone thinks they may have links with this Petrie line I would love to hear from you and exchange information. Bye for now Eleanor ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Hello to all, I signed on for the first time last week and offered documentation about the descendents of my great grandfather, James Petrie of 19 Seagate in Arbroath. I knew his son (my grandfather), another James Petrie. I knew him as a child up to the time I was seven years old when he died. My grandfather emigrated from Scotland in 1888 to live with his brother, David at 66 Cedar Street in Lynn, MA. James was born in 1867, so was 21 when he left Scotland for good. In total, he had made seven trips across the Atlantic in visits between the countries. My grandfather was an active member of the St. Thomas Swimming Club in Arbroath and was a strong swimmer. I have a clipping about his rescue of a young boy named James Craig from the Arbroath harbor. The boy had been playing atop a wooden structure close to a fish-curing shed at the quay when he fell in. James dived in fully clothed and got the boy safely back to the quay. It was reported that the boy was totally exhausted when finally pulled from the water, so James had probably saved his life. He had a fine singing voice and frequently entertained people both in Scotland and the U.S. He married my grandmother, Martha Gruchy, in about 1903 (I am still searching for the exact date and place). She had emigrated from the small fishing village of Pouch Cove, Newfoundland as a young woman. After Martha died in 1940, James came to live with my family in our house in Houlton, ME. Grandfather was invited and accepted an offer to take an automobile trip to the western U.S. in the summer of 1941. He was in the back seat of the car, following a noon meal and was taking a nap. He suffered a heart attack in his sleep and was found dead when his niece, the owner of the car, tried to awaken him in Sioux Falls, South Dakota. If anyone has information about any of his ancestors, I would be delighted to learn what you have. His father was married to Jessie Sim on August 6, 1858, a fact I got from the General Register House in Edinburgh when acquiring a copy of my grandfather's birth record. I also found the same information on familysearch.org, the web site of the Church of the Latter Day Saints. Regards, Bruce Arnold Avis & Bruce Arnold 244 Wencin Terrace West Chester, PA 19382-1990 Phone: 610-431-7224 Fax: 610-431-0264 Email: [email protected]

I have FINALLY charted the information that I previously received through this site - and have found it extremely useful. I am looking for Colleen Yuke (Australia) who wrote to me in January regarding David Petrie and 170 High St., Perth. I have lost her EMail address (computer snaffoo). We just may be the same family line!!! Hope to hear from you Colleen. Elizabeth (Betty) Hemsley

Hello Gordon Welcome to our list, I too am a Dundonian Petrie !! :o) Perhaps you could share with us the names of your Petrie grandparents (with your Granny's maiden name) and same if you know who your great grandparents were ?? Also any family address you know of in Dundee, or details of names and Birth, Marriage or Death dates, that you might find noted amongst family papers or in a family bible, diary, letters etc. Any snippet of information on your ancestors would be useful and will help us help you to discover your particular Petrie line here in Scotland.... Cheerio Norma > > My name is Gordon Petrie, currently residing in Christchurch, New > Zealand. > > I was born 29th May 1952, to Thomas and May Petrie in Ninewells > Hospital, Dundee. > > I have two brothers, Tom and Sandy, and two sisters, Elizabeth and > Audrey. > > Both my parents have passed away, and am now interested to trace back > the family tree, so would be very thankful if there is anyone who is > related or who knows of my relations. > > Not sure what information would be helpful as this is the first time I > have responded to this group. More than happy to receive some guidance > from yourselves. > > Have a great day...................... > > Gordon > > > --------------C885E4A28921B25187442248-- > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > To send a message to everyone on this Petrie-Scotland List, our address is > [email protected] > >

Hello Gordon Welcome to our list, I too am a Dundonian Petrie !! :o) Perhaps you could share with us the names of your Petrie grandparents (with your Granny's maiden name) and same if you know who your great grandparents were ?? Also any family address you know of in Dundee, or details of names and Birth, Marriage or Death dates, that you might find noted amongst family papers or in a family bible, diary, letters etc. Any snippet of information on your ancestors would be useful and will help us help you to discover your particular Petrie line here in Scotland.... Cheerio Norma > > My name is Gordon Petrie, currently residing in Christchurch, New > Zealand. > > I was born 29th May 1952, to Thomas and May Petrie in Ninewells > Hospital, Dundee. > > I have two brothers, Tom and Sandy, and two sisters, Elizabeth and > Audrey. > > Both my parents have passed away, and am now interested to trace back > the family tree, so would be very thankful if there is anyone who is > related or who knows of my relations. > > Not sure what information would be helpful as this is the first time I > have responded to this group. More than happy to receive some guidance > from yourselves. > > Have a great day...................... > > Gordon > > > --------------C885E4A28921B25187442248-- > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > To send a message to everyone on this Petrie-Scotland List, our address is > [email protected] > >

Hello Artha, Sorry to hear you have not had a response yet to your enquiry re Lillybank area of Forfar. I only know of the present area of Lillybank in Forfar which skirts the edge of the town, and am unaware of it's history. The only major building of note I know of in the area would be Forfar Infirmary. But I'm pretty sure it's not as old as 1850-60's. Hopefully we have some Forfar born & bred amongst us on the list who might be able to answer your enquiry, otherwise it might be an idea to check the 1851 and 1861 census for the area, if it was a residential building it should be recorded on the census... If you ever do find out what it was....do let us know !! :o) Cheerio Norma > > -----Original Message----- > From: thomas towell <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, April 10, 2001 7:58 PM > Subject: Lillybank-1851to1862 > > > Does any one have any information about a facility labeled Lillybank located on Royalty boundry road just outside the town ofForfar Scotland on maps of the area from 1851 through 1865? Is it a Factory-- Manor House-- or another facility? The Poorhouse is located across the road and closer in toward the town of Forfar as apoint of reference. I have a note from John Petrie dated February 1862 -- perhaps he worked or resided at Lillybank-- it looks to be a substantial building surrounded by lots of open land arround it on the map of the area at that time.! [email protected] > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > If you need to Unsubscribe from this list please send an e.mail to our utility address at [email protected] and type the one word unsubscribe in the message box. (Mail mode users only) > >