Hello Eleanor, I have quite a bit of information in my database on the Petrie line of James Petrie spouse of Agnes Anderson Steven, which I will be delighted to pass it on to you. Most of the information on James & Agnes's children was found on the family gravestone at Arbroath Western Cemetery and in the Arbroath Western Cemetery Burial Records currently I am aware of 10 children including your grandfather John Caird Petrie. Gravestone Memorial Inscription Erected by Mrs. PETRIE in memory of her husband JAMES PETRIE, Blacksmith, who died 27 January 1901 aged 51, their son WILLIAM died 21 January 1901 aged 26, their daughter LAURA ANDERSON died 29 march 1893 aged 14 months, their son Armr. Sergt. ROBERT M. PETRIE, F & F Yeomanry, killed in action in Gallipoli 3rd October 1915 aged 29 years. also the above Mrs. AGNES PETRIE who died 23 November 1916 aged 66 years, also their daughter AGNES who died 09 January 1919 aged 34. HANNAH BAYNE died 19 December 1953 aged 66 years and their son JOHN C. PETRIE died 10 July 1961 aged 71 years. WILLIAM CARRIE who died 20 May 1955 and his wife JANE GIBB PETRIE who died 30 May 1956 both aged 76 years. (Western Cemetery, Section R , Arbroath) You can find further details on them in the Arbroath Western Cemetery Burial Records which I have uploaded to our Petrie-Scotland Website in the Filing Cabinet, (Category - Burial Records) I notice from the above that your Robert M. Petrie, was amongst the 1st world war Roll of Honour details you posted to the list yesterday. You probably know already, but in case not, you can check out the details they have on him at the Commonwealth War Grave Commission website http://yard.ccta.gov.uk/cwgc/register.nsf Do you know who the above noted Hannah Bayne was ?? The Burial records note her as Hannah Petrie and single, so perhaps Bayne was her middle name, but it also might be an error in the Burial records as she does not show up in the area in the 1881 census....so I cannot yet determine if she was a daughter of James & Agnes or a wife of one of the boys ?? James & Agnes's family can also be found in the 1881 census at Reference: St. Vigeans 1881 (272 district 24 page 36) The census details can be found in our Filing Cabinet of the Petrie-Scotland website (category - 1881 census) File Name: 1881 Census - Angus >From the accumulated information the known family appear to be.... Marriage 19 June 1874 at Arbroath JAMES PETRIE & AGNES ANDERSON STEVEN (source IGI & Marriage Certificate) WILLIAM PETRIE born 23 November 1874 - Unmarried ALEXANDER GRAY PETRIE born c1877 - married LILLIE CAMPBELL MARGARET J. PETRIE born c1879 CHRISTINA PETRIE born c1880 JANE GIBB PETRIE born c1880 - married WILLIAM CARRIE AGNES PETRIE born c1885 - Unmarried ROBERT M. PETRIE born c1886 JOHN C. PETRIE born c1890 LAURA ANDERSON PETRIE born c1891 - Died in Childhood ANN GRAY PETRIE born c1895 - Unmarried **************** I have the parental details from James & Agnes's 1874 marriage certificate, however I noted these a long time ago and it was before I started to keep copies of the certificate transcriptions so I only have the Marriage Certificate Reference Number for you at the moment.... Marriage Ref: 1874 Arbroath Page 43 Entry No. 86 His parents were noted on the certificate as WILLIAM PETRIE & MARGARET MILNE Her parents were noted as JAMES STEVEN (Reputed Father) & MARGARET GRAY Margaret Milne was also known as Margaret Mill....the surname variation was a frustrating habit of the Arbroath Parish Clerks & Registrar's who at times appeared to automatically change Mill to Milne & sometimes back again, depending on who was taking the details !! However she can be verified as one and the same person through other known details. His parents names lead us to another pile of information I have on his parents, siblings and their families....just let me know if you want this information too. Must apologise for the lengthy reply, hope it's of interest. Cheerio Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "ele 1954" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2001 9:20 PM Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Arbroath Petrie > Hi All > My mother was Agnes Petrie before she married, and > lived in Denniston, Glasgow. Her father was John Caird > Petrie b 10.10.1889 at 30 Millgate Loan, Arbroath. I > know he had many brothers and sisters, but only know > of 4. His father was James Petrie b around 1850 and > was a blacksmith. He married Agnes Anderson Steven on > June 19th 1874 in Arbroath. > If anyone thinks they may have links with this Petrie > line I would love to hear from you and exchange > information. > Bye for now Eleanor > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > Checkout the Petrie Querie Board & Petrie Resource Page on the WWW > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/pet/Petrie > >

Many thanks Derek, I have previously been in touch with the Flinders Petrie Museum and have kindly received a pile of promotional leaflets to make available for folks at the Gathering.... One day I'll get down there to visit it for myself. !!! :o) Cheerio Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Derek Heath" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [Petrie-Scotland] Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie > Hello Norma, > > If you are interested in the work of Flinders Petrie, try > www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk > > A' th' noo, > > Derek >

The base from which I have worked my family history researches is the contention of my grandfather that all the Petries of the Northeast of Scotland are indeed related. To this end I have complied a card index of the Petries recorded in the IGI for the counties of Moray, Banff, Aberdeen and Kincardine. The record of there movement over time seems to be clear as they moved from Moray through Banff into Aberdeen and Kincardine. Though family groupings can be identified the difficulty arises in the tying of which William to which John or James with a sometime George or Alexander thrown in. The additions of a Joseph, Andrew, Charles, Robert and Samuel in my own family made things a little easier as they lived and grew in the Parish of Kennethmont. They were the sons of William Petrie who married twice first to Ann Isaac and then to Ann Robertson. His own family numbered 14 children who seemed to break the norm and lived beyond childhood. This resulted in a known 41 grandchildren of whose descendants apart from my own I have only been able to contact three. One line remains near there origins at the parish of Clatt, one is in New Zealand and another in Canada. My Grandfather also contended that we were a clan in our own right and to this end I wonder if anyone has done work on the origins and history of the MacPetries of Mar recorded as being MacGregors. In this same line of research has anyone done any research on the original holders of the Petrie Crest and motto "Fide Sed Vide" One of my roadblocks has been to sort out the Petries as they moved in and out of the Parish of Drumblade however without some additional information it is impossible to attached which William to which John or James. I have made one or two positive connects without being able to tie them positively to my own line. Regards Murray.

Hello Norma, If you are interested in the work of Flinders Petrie, try www.petrie.ucl.ac.uk A' th' noo, Derek -----Original Message----- From: Norma Thain <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 28 May 2001 14:34 Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie |Hi Gang | |Further to my reply to Jim Petrie regarding Sir William Matthew Flinders |Petrie. | |Here is the little information held to date on him and his family, if anyone |has further details or can do further research on this line it would be most |appreciated... | |William Matthew Flinders Petrie |born 03 June 1853 at Charlton, Kent, England |married HILDA URLIN in 1896 |died 1942 | |First visited Egypt in 1879 and is renowned as one of the greatest |archaeological and Egyptological pioneers. Was a Professor at University |College London, was Knighted (date unknown) and trained some of the most |famous Egyptologists including Howard Carter who later discovered |Tutankhamun's tomb. | |His Parents: |William Petrie |born 1821 |married Ann Flinders c1852 in Charlton, Kent England |died 1908 |He was a scientist (invented the prototype of the modern lightbulb) and |also a lay preacher and religious fundamentalist | |Ann Flinders |born 1809 |died 1892 |She published a series of Poems in 1844 (Nabooth the Jezreelite and other |poems) | |Most details sourced from booklet "Digging for Dreams" from Matthew Flinders |Petrie Exhibition. | |Cheerio |Norma | | | |==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== |The Petrie of Scotland database, currently stands at just over 14,000 |scots born Petrie's....look ups & searches available, all information freely given and gratefully received [email protected] | |

-----Original Message----- From: Richard Arthur Blake <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, 23 May 2001 9:50 Subject: David Petrie Hello, My name is Lorraine Blake, I live in a beautiful part of Australia, 'Tasmania' My line to the Petrie family comes through the Bertie's and goes back a fair way to a Margaret Petrie c.26/9/1697 Craig by Montrose (this information I got from the IGI), Batch No. C112802 Margaret had 2 brothers James c.20/3/1692 and David c.23/2/1696 and a sister Isobell c.2/1/1694. Their father was David but I don't have the mothers name. Margaret Petrie married Alexander Bertie on the 10/6/1725 which I got from the IGI, Batch No M112804 Source Call No.0993418 I have a copy of the marriage entry. What I am looking for is who did David marry or who is the mother of Margaret it there was no marriage, also if what information I have collected is correct, because it is so far back it is a tad hard from this end of the world to gather all the facts and of course there are no family bibles etc to go by. I would be most grateful for any information that might help, I really think I might not be able to get any futher back but if I don't have a go I will never know will I. Cheers Lorraine.

Hi Carole Over the weekend of 26 - 27 May, I, along with other members of the Tay Valley Family History Society were graveyarding the Barry Graveyard. Norma was there also. I am in the process of typing the gravestones of all PETRIES found there and have just finished the gravestone of the grandparents of ARNOLD J PETRIE He also gets a mention. I have still to check the typing against the stone, but I can do this Wednesday 31 May. Do you want a digital image of the stone ?? Murray Nicoll

Hello Violet, Welcome to PETRIE-SCOTLAND - and stay excited !!! Was your Grandfather James PETRIE christened on 8th August 1847 ? If so, he is most likely my 1st cousin 3x removed. His mother was my Great Aunt Margaret COLLIE christened 28th April 1828 at Kildrummy who married William PETRIE christened 4th December 1811 at Drumblade. Their children were :- James 1847 Isabella 1849-1934 married William CRAIG 1871 Margaret 1851 married Alexander PIRIE 1875 William 1854 John 1857 Helen 1859 married George DEY 1882 Andrew 1861 - 1935 married Elizabeth JOHNSTONE Elizabeth 1863 Jessie 1865 Mary 1868 Anne 1871 Your GG Grandmother Margaret COLLIE was the sister of my GG Grandmother Ann COLLIE. Ever so sorry, Norma, but this is a COLLIE connection - nothing to do with the PETRIEs (so far as we know at the moment !) although the family name is PETRIE. Derek In Kent, England [email protected] PS Does anyone know anything about William PETRIE 1811 - 1894, son of John PETRIE and Ann MUTTERER who married in 1805 at Drumblade ? -----Original Message----- From: VIOLET SHAW <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 29 May 2001 13:17 Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] PETRIES FROM DRUMBLADE |Hi everybody. I have just discovered your existence and I am very excited. This is my first message. Trying to be brief, I live in Essex but I was born and brought up in Aberdeen. My maiden name was Durnin and my mother was a Petrie. I have managed to go back to approximately 1800. My Petries came from Drumblade and Auchterless. My grandfather James Petrie married Jane Kennedy. My great-gm was Margaret Petrie and my great-great gf William Petrie married Margaret Collie. They were generally farm workers. Anybody know anything about my lot? I would be very grateful. Violet Shaw | | |==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== |The Petrie of Scotland database, currently stands at just over 14,000 |scots born Petrie's....look ups & searches available, all information freely given and gratefully received [email protected] | |

The Arnold Petrie below from New Zealand was one of our family. There are relations of his in New Zealand today. He had 2 sisters, Charlotte and Gladys who lived to a great age and did not marry. Gladys was an opera singer and spent some time in Australia. Carole Redpath ----- Original Message ----- From: "ele 1954" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2001 9:44 PM Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] 1ST WORLD WAR DEATHS > Hi All > I have a Roll of Honour for Arbroath & District > 1914-1919 and the following PETRIE's are included:- > > Air Mechanic Alexander PETRIE, Royal Air Force, 66 > Howard St., Arbroath, 40yr age married to Wilhelmina > Greig. He died in Oxford of pneumonia on 26.12.1918. > > Seaman Alexander PETRIE, Royal Naval Reserve, 43 St > Mary St., Arbroath, was 57 yrs old, and left widow and > 5 children. on 3.4.1917 he was accidentally drowned in > Buckie Harbour when serving on HMS Drifter. > > 2nd Lt. Arnold J PETRIE, New Zealanders, Invercargill, > New Zealand, was the grandson of Captain Alexander > Petrie, Arbroath and the nephew of Miss Petrie, 28 > West Path, Carnoustie. He was wounded and died in > France on 18.4.1918. > > Private Arthur C Petrie, 5th Black Watch, son of John > Petrie and wife Mary Jane Davidson, 40 Cairnie St., > Arbroath. > > Armourer-Sergeant Robert M Petrie, 4th son of James > Petrie, Blacksmith, Gravesend, Arbroath. He was struck > by a sniper and died almost immediately in Gallipoli > in October 1915. > > Hope this is of use to some of you > > Eleanor > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > Checkout the Petrie Querie Board & Petrie Resource Page on the WWW > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/pet/Petrie >

Hi All I have a Roll of Honour for Arbroath & District 1914-1919 and the following PETRIE's are included:- Air Mechanic Alexander PETRIE, Royal Air Force, 66 Howard St., Arbroath, 40yr age married to Wilhelmina Greig. He died in Oxford of pneumonia on 26.12.1918. Seaman Alexander PETRIE, Royal Naval Reserve, 43 St Mary St., Arbroath, was 57 yrs old, and left widow and 5 children. on 3.4.1917 he was accidentally drowned in Buckie Harbour when serving on HMS Drifter. 2nd Lt. Arnold J PETRIE, New Zealanders, Invercargill, New Zealand, was the grandson of Captain Alexander Petrie, Arbroath and the nephew of Miss Petrie, 28 West Path, Carnoustie. He was wounded and died in France on 18.4.1918. Private Arthur C Petrie, 5th Black Watch, son of John Petrie and wife Mary Jane Davidson, 40 Cairnie St., Arbroath. Armourer-Sergeant Robert M Petrie, 4th son of James Petrie, Blacksmith, Gravesend, Arbroath. He was struck by a sniper and died almost immediately in Gallipoli in October 1915. Hope this is of use to some of you Eleanor ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Hi Patricia, I definitely think this is worth following up further, as you say so many co-incidences....within the names, in correct time frame and area. I note in your line that the Mowat grandmother's maiden name was Fettes. And Arthur is not a common name amongst the Petrie's, which helps when looking for "potential" family connections. I checked the 1881 Kincardine Petrie census info which we have in the Filing Cabinet of our Petrie-Scotland website, and see that it names a further three daughters who we have been unaware of for Arthur Petrie & Margaret Mowat.... !!! :o) Her death certificate from 1914 will confirm her parents, but I feel sure your on the right track.... :o) Do let us know if you discover more.... Cheerio the noo Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Patricia Taggart" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2001 9:40 PM Subject: RE: [Petrie-Scotland] Kincardine Inscriptions > Hi Murray & Clare > > Thanks for your hard work wandering around graveyards. The below Mary > Fettes Petrie - I wonder if this is Margaret Fettes Petrie daughter of > Arthur Petrie and Margaret Mowat. She was born about 1871 according to 1881 > census. Are the names Margaret and Mary interchangeable? The fact that one > of her sons was Arthur makes me wonder as does the "Fettes" as Margaret's > Grandmother was Ann Fiddes. And one of her daughters died in New Zealand!! > There are too many coincidences. > I would appreciate a picture - thanks. > > Norma, what do you think? > > regards > Patricia Taggart > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clare & Murray Nicoll > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, 27 May 2001 5:47 a.m. > To: [email protected] > Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Kincardine Inscriptions > > > > Hi Gang > > Clare and I had a day out wandering the graveyards of Kincardineshire. > We have visited all the graveyards south of Stonehaven. > > Here are the inscriptions that we found. > I have digital images of the stones. > > In loving memory of MARY FETTES PETRIE wife of GEORGE BRAND Drumlithie > who died 17 March 1914 aged 39 years and of their family DAVID and > WILLIAM twin sons who died in infancy ARTHUR killed in action 1917 aged > 21 years ELIZABETH HELEN EMSLIE twin daughter died 29 December 1939 aged > 39 years also the above GEORGE BRAND who died at Dumfries 20 July 1943 > aged 73 years JOAN twin daughter died at Paeroa New Zealand 25 September > 1972 aged 71 years > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > Checkout the Petrie Querie Board & Petrie Resource Page on the WWW > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/surnames/pet/Petrie > >

Hi all The following was extracted from a book in the Dundee City Libraries by my cousin who is a Petrie, but not on the list. The Muster Roll of Angus ( Boer War ) Private Alexander Petrie, Arbroath 3rd Active Service Section 2nd V.B.R.H. South African Medal with clasps for 1902, Orange Free State and Cape Colony. Made an Honourary Burgess of Arbroath. John S Petrie , Grimsby, Arbroath. Private Argyle and Sutherland Highlanders 1888. Medals. South Africa with clasps for Modder River, Paardeberg, Dreifontein, Transvall. Charles Petrie, Lochland Street, Arbroath Private Black Watch 1889 Edward R Petrie, West High Street, Forfar. 1st Scots Guards 1895 Medals. South Africa with clasps for Belmont, Modder River, Driefontein, Diamond Hill, Johannesburg, Belfast, Kings with clasps for 1901 and 1902. south Africa service 2 years 9 months. Murray Nicoll

Hi everybody. I have just discovered your existence and I am very excited. This is my first message. Trying to be brief, I live in Essex but I was born and brought up in Aberdeen. My maiden name was Durnin and my mother was a Petrie. I have managed to go back to approximately 1800. My Petries came from Drumblade and Auchterless. My grandfather James Petrie married Jane Kennedy. My great-gm was Margaret Petrie and my great-great gf William Petrie married Margaret Collie. They were generally farm workers. Anybody know anything about my lot? I would be very grateful. Violet Shaw

Hi Stephen, Delighted to hear that you publicised the Gathering in the journal of the Aberdeen and North East Scotland Family History Society. And will look forward to any enquiries which come forth. I was unaware of a daughter named Jeannie b. 1849 for this couple as her birth is not listed in the IGI, so any further information this related researcher can supply on this family would be most welcome. I have Thomas Petrie's death certificate and that of his son, who unfortunately died within months of each other, please pass these on if you can.... Death Certificate Ref: 1858 INVERNESS Page 7 Entry 21 (source Scottish Records Office) THOMAS PETRIE Shoemaker Married died 09 January 1858 at 7.00 pm at 69 Castle Street, Inverness aged 68 years Parents: JOHN PETRIE - Vintner - deceased JANE PETRIE ms REID - deceased Cause of Death: Stomach Complaint (4 months) - No Medical Attendant Buried at Chapel Yard of Inverness Death registered by CHRISTY PETRIE (her X mark), Widow on 15 January 1858 at Inverness ******* Death Certificate Ref: 1858 INVERNESS Page 48 Entry 143 (source Scottish Records Office) THOMAS PETRIE died 01 May 1858 at 11.30 am at Poors House, Inverness age 6 years Parents: THOMAS PETRIE - Shoemaker - deceased CHRISTY PETRIE ms TUACH Cause of Death: Pneumonia (3 days) Buried: Chapel Yard of Inverness Death registered by J. Walker, Matron, Poors House, on 06 May 1858 at Inverness ******* As we can see from the above information the father Thomas Petrie was elderly when he died, we know he married Christina Tuach in 1847, and so I wonder if perhaps this might have been a second marriage ...?? Unfortunately the 1858 death certificates did not name current or previous spouses, unless as in this case the spouse registered the death, but 1841 census might hold some useful clues ?? Burial Records/Gravestone at Chapel Yard Cemetery might provide further family information too, if they have survived.... The unfortunate demise of 6 year old Thomas in the Poor House, leaves us to assume that this family met hard times after the death of their father.... On Thomas Petrie (snr's) parents, John Petrie (aka Patrie) & Jane Reid (aka Jean Reid & Jean Reed & Jean Read) I know of the marriage & 7 children for this couple, all took place in Inverness and sourced from IGI ...no further details found yet on any of them other than the above Thomas. MARRIAGE JOHN PATRIE/JEAN REED 18 JULY 1767 Known Children... HUGH PETRIE baptised 22 APRIL 1768 JAMES PETRIE baptised 07 MAY 1770 WILLIAM PETRIE baptised 15 NOVEMBER 1776 MARGARET PETRIE baptised 12 MARCH 1779 ELIZABETH PETRIE baptised 03 FEBRUARY 1783 KATHERINE PETRIE born 21 FEBRUARY 1785 THOMAS PETRIE baptised 04 SEPTEMBER 1787 Hope it's useful meantime. Cheerio Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Baker" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2001 8:37 PM Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Is anyone researching THOMAS PETRIE and CHRISTINA TUACH? > A lady from Aberdeen has contacted me about the Gathering and I have sent > details to her. This is due to the fact that the details have now been > publicised in the journal of the Aberdeen and North East Scotland Family > History Society. We may have more enquiries as a result of this half page > free advert!! One has already e-mailed me and the details that Norma > provided some time ago have been sent to her this evening. > > Norma - you may get some enquiries as well, because your name is on the > article that I wrote :0) > > My first correspondent does not have e-mail, so I am giving some details > below and ask that anyone on the list who is researching her family line > will contact me. I shall then send the lady's name and address "off list" if > you wish to make contact. > > The lady is descended from JEANNIE PETRIE born 1849, Inverness, died 1925, > Elgin, whose parents were THOMAS PETRIE and CHRISTINA TUACH. This couple > married on 24 May 1847, Inverness. (This is confirmed from Norma's data > base) > > If anyone is interested, please let me know. I should like to help her, as > she has - by pure coincidence - been able to provide me with some > information about my own Aberdeen ancestors (not Petrie, but SMITH!!) > > We have been rather quiet lately, but hope to see many of you in Dundee this > August. > > Cheerio, from > > Stephen and Karen (Kirkmichael Petries!!) > > Researching the following names in Scotland:- > > DONALD; MOLLISON; SMITH; STRACHAN - Aberbeenshire > RUTHERFORD - Roxburghshire > ELMESLEY; GLASHAN - Banffshire > COLLIE; KELLY; SPENCE - Morayshire > BRODIE; FORBES; GOW; PETRIE - Perthshire > > > > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > Need Assistance.... > your Petrie-Scotland List Administrator is Norma Thain... > contact her at [email protected] > >

Welcome aboard, Violet. Sure wish we had a connection, my family was also from the Aberdeen. As far as I know my ancestors were all quarry workers. Haven't found any connections yet. Barbara Petrie Sanborn Brewer, Maine, USA VIOLET SHAW wrote: > Hi everybody. I have just discovered your existence and I am very excited. This is my first message. Trying to be brief, I live in Essex but I was born and brought up in Aberdeen. My maiden name was Durnin and my mother was a Petrie. I have managed to go back to approximately 1800. My Petries came from Drumblade and Auchterless. My grandfather James Petrie married Jane Kennedy. My great-gm was Margaret Petrie and my great-great gf William Petrie married Margaret Collie. They were generally farm workers. Anybody know anything about my lot? I would be very grateful. Violet Shaw > > ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== > The Petrie of Scotland database, currently stands at just over 14,000 > scots born Petrie's....look ups & searches available, all information freely given and gratefully received [email protected]

This email was delivered to you by The Free Internet, a Business Online Group company. http://www.thefreeinternet.net --------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks David, When the lady contacts me I will hopefully get some names & dates, and maybe new leads. Just looked up Manchester 16 on the map ..hmmm... your grandfather's brother was living not far from where my grandad's family were living a few years earlier! We've looked into this before I think, and couldn't find a connection. 'ping'... lightbulb goes on over head.....I've just thought of another Manchester Petrie I could ask... will let you know if I come up with anything. Lynn --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.251 / Virus Database: 124 - Release Date: 26/04/01

Hello. My maiden name is Petrie and I live in Edinburgh. My father was James Petrie, born in Arbroath in 1919 and his father was James Petrie too, a seacaptain, born in 1854. I don't know much else, but would welcome hearing about any possible relations. Carole Redpath

Reference my last msg re: Petries-Ellis Island Thanks to a msg from Joe Petrie, I am reminded that I have some facts mixed up in my earlier msg. Pls update my last msg with the following corrections from Joe: 1. Isobelle was not born in 1784! There is no DOB for either George or Isobelle. {It is estimated that they were both born in ABOUT 1750. The 1784 date is the date George Petrie married Isobelle}. 2. George and Isobelle migrated to Sydney in 1784 from Halifax which at that time was pretty much a garrison town but loaded with soldiers, mustered out soldiers and refugees (loyalists) from the colonies. It is likely that George fit into one set or an intersection of a set! 3. The chronology of the land grant is as follows: George petitioned; the Council did not approve it; he got the grant , surveyed the land, moved there but seems to have kept his house in Sydney. Sorry for the confusion. I am hopeful that a Scottish relative, upon digging into the past can provide some insight into the lineage of George Petrie. Then, something may turn up on Isobelle. Thx: John Berti John R. Berti Tel and FAX: 508.359.5788 E-mail ID: [email protected]

Dave that was most interesting - I am going to quote some of that in my family history story to add a bit of realism. Thank you Patricia -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, 28 May 2001 8:40 a.m. To: [email protected] Subject: [Petrie-Scotland] Re: Cottar House Patricia & Others Interested in "Cottar House", Having come from a long line of "farm servants" or "cottars" I have collected some references to the term "cottar" from my relatives in Northeast Scotland over the years. A special thanks for the following to my fourth cousin, Christine Mary (Mackenzie) Glover, of the Tay Valley History Centre. Dave Petrie Arden Hills, Minnesota ===================================================== "Grandfather, Robert Petrie, was born in the parish of Inverkeillor in Forfarshire, otherwise known as Angus, and it was this area and just over the border into Kincardineshire, in which all his known ancestors were found. The following description of farm servant hiring practices described below probably apply to the eighteenth and early ninteenth century. The countryside of these two counties is mainly agricultural land, with the North Sea to the East and the Grampian Mountains to the North and West. Consequently, most of the Petries worked on the land as agricultural labourers or farm servants. As can be seen from places of residence mentioned in the Parish Registers at the time of family events, they often moved from one farm to another so it is probable that they took part in the hiring fairs common at that time. 'The Ballad and the Plough' by David Kerr Cameron includes the following passages about the hiring of farm workers in North-East Scotland:' There was hard bargaining done in the cottars' markets but they were gentlemanly affairs conpared with the big feeing fairs; mainly for the single men, their notoriety was a byword in the bothies of the land. ["Bothie" or "bothy" was a kind of Scottish "bunkhouse" for young single men working on a farm.] There the men of the farmtowns hired their brawn and their skills to the highest bidder and bound themselves to that bargain for a six-month [period]. They were held, these hiring fairs, in every principal town in the country, a few days to a fortnight before the terms, 28 May and 28 November, the dates on which a farm servant officially ended his engagement at a farm-toun. The fair names differed but the scene they presented was remarkably similar: a slow-moving mass, a figure detaching itself from a group here, adhering to another there, knots of men sundering with handshakes, all of them farm folk little at ease in a town environment. Besides the ploughman lads, there were kitchen maids who had pleased their mistresses too little or their masters too well; orra men who had done orra work and stockmen who could not rise in the morning. The occasion had its own protocol. Moves were measured, cautious, circumspect; gambits so veiled as to slip past undetected by the inexperienced for whom, unknown, the day might turn into a vale of missed opportunities. It was a slow dance, a verbal minuet. Among the milling folk, a servant would wait to be approached with an offer, with a hint perhaps from a former bothy colleague. A champion ploughman might do well enough, or a man known to be a good workman whatever his particular skill. 'It was a chancy business; a man might stand all day and not have his services sought after for there was a kind of grapevine amoung grieves that whispered the worth of a man one to another, pin-pointing his frailties as a servant and sometimes as a man. They wheedled and dealed but it was the farmer or the grieve he invariably brought with him who had the upper hand for there was always a spectre at the fair; the stark dark dread of unemployment.' "Accommodation would be limited, most of their houses having two or three rooms with a window, but presumably not as crowded and gloomy as the black houses. 'Scotland's Past In Action - Farming' gives the following descriptions of cottar housing which would probably have been similar to the houses they occupied:'Except for the houses that went with some special occupations such as cattleman or byreman, the cottar hooses were also separate from the steadings - usually in a row. The most basic consisted of one room and a garden for vegetables. New housing soon became miserable and ramshackle, and only a marginal improvement on the old. Clay floors were still the standard, but the new tiled roofs were draughty and provided poor insulation, for there were often no ceilings.'Of the complaints voiced by Scottish farmworkers, housing rather than wages was usually the main one. The often semi-isolataed existence, and bringing up a large family in tied and ramshackle accommodation made the wives frequent champions of emigration to villages, towns or beyond.'" The following passages for "Scotland's Past in Action" and "The Ballad and the Plough" give some idea of the conditions experienced by "farm servants"."North of the Forth, and north of the Tay in particular, for unmarried young men there was the life of the bothies. The system flourished, because the farmers got good value for money in the pride the men took in their work. It was condemned by the guardians of social morality because of the mens' insolence and disregard of organized religion. The bothy, usually part of the steadings, had a bunk-house and a living room with a fireplace. Each man's possession went into one or later two kists, the mealer and the claeser. As the May or November term approached, so did the speakin time. Then the farmer would ask a man if he wished to bide. If the farmer remained silent, the contract would not be renewed, and the man would have to go to the feeing market and seek another place. On the other hand, if the men had fallen out with the farmer or his wife, they might all go, leaving the farmer with a clean toun, a bad name and a new set of men to find." "The cottar folk of the farm touns, travelled light. Each year usually at eh Whitsunday Term but sometimes the Martinmas term one as well, they threw their pitifully few possessions into a farm cart and took the road to a new toun, like pilgrims to a promised land. Few in fact travelled hopefully for the years had taught them better, but in time the May 'flitting' became an addiction, a rootless custom of a rootless society. It may even have been a kind of protest against the tied-cottage tyranny of that time that made married farm servant - a skilled grieve, ploughman, baillie, or orra man - give his wife and children as hostages to fortune [From Chambers Scots Dictionary "bail(l)ie: a farm-steward; a man or boy in charge of the cows on a farm; grieve: a farm-overseer; a foreman; orra-man: a farm-labourer who does odd jobs and not stated work (from orra: unmatched, odd, without a fellow; occasional, doing odd jobs; having no settled occupation)."]. In addition to his 'fee' for his years engagement (paid to him weekly and in such small doses as barely to keep them all alive, with the balance half-yearly), he had the use of a house and his perquisites, those staples of Scottish existence: oatmeal, milk, potatoes, and coal or peat to keep his fire burning. Charitable though it might seem, it was an iniquitous system that blemished the name of many a good farm toun and gave the unscrupulous farmer an unbeatable advantage. Where a single, bothy lad with a mother's house to go home to if it came to it, could tell a miserly or tyrannical farmer what he thought of him and fare little the worse for it, the cottar, with his family to think of, could hardly afford to. This fact set him at a permanent disadvantage in the feeing market, too, and he was often viciously exploited. Many of today's farming dynasties were shamefully founded on the wealth that came from squeezing such men into penury.""In the new farmtoun society that emerged - tenants, cottars and bothy-housed men - his special commitments made the cottar's lot the least enviable. The cheapness and ready availability of farmtoun labour were the constants that ever undermined him. There was always a man on his back, behind him in the queur, ready to take a shilling or two less and in more urgent need of the tied cottar house. But it was not lack of intelligence that snared him forever in the fields of some cottar-toun, it was the pinching poverty. It made sure that he had no room for manoeuvre. Often it robbed him of all dignity." ==== PETRIE-SCOTLAND Mailing List ==== To send a message to everyone on this Petrie-Scotland List, our address is [email protected]

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E791.1A337CF0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi All, Let me introduce myself (John Randolph Berti). My mother was Veronica Petrie, born in New Aberdeen, Cape Breton, Nova Scotia on 5Nov1904; she emigrated to the U.S. on 27Apr1927. Her mother - Mary Ann Edwards, born May1860 in Sydney Mines & her father - Joseph Patrick Petrie, born 4Apr1856 in Low Point, CB, NS. The father of Joseph Patrick Petrie was James Petrie, born 26Oct1817 in Low Point & the mother was Bridget Carroll. The father of James Petrie was John Henry Petrie, born in 1791 in Low Point & the mother was Ann Nearing, born in England in 1796. The father of John Henry Petrie was George Petrie, born about 1750 & the mother was Isobelle, who was born about 1784. George Petrie was a British soldier who was entitled to a Land Grant based on his service. He surveyed the land in 1791 and moved from Halifax to Low Point in 1792. Xavier McGillivary, Joe Petrie, Sister of Charity Joan J. Butler, Dorothy Petrie Scott, and Debbie LaViolette contributed various items of this information. >From what I understand, it is believed that both George Petrie and his wife Isobelle (both Scottish) were born in Scotland, however, this fact has not been verified or confirmed. With this msg is an attached file that provides an image of the American Family Immigration History Center at Ellis Island passenger record database which lists a total of 694 "Petrie" passengers who were recorded as having entered the Port of New York between the years 1892 through 1924. The value of this file is that it allows the viewer to search through the 28 pages (25 entries at a time) to focus on those candidates that are of interest without having to go through the time consuming search of the data on-line, a few lines at the time. Upon identifying likely candidates for further research, enter the Ellis Island website ==> http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ and "CONTINUE" the search by entering the names of interest. The user may narrow the search by specifying such discriminators as: a. Name and Gender b. Year of Arrival c. Ethnicity d. Port of Departure e. Name of Ship Examining the individual passenger record in greater detail, the researcher can view an image of the ship and most importantly, the ship manifest. In many cases, the original manifest can be examined (this view will yield additional information not yet included in the prepared database. The value of the ship manifest is that it will also show those who may have accompanied the individual passenger under review. I found it particularly useful to scan the records for younger passengers and then go to the ship manifest to learn who accompanied the youngsters. By all means, look at the image of the original manifest as there is other useful information available. I am hopeful that researchers will find this file useful and that it will help to speed up the process. ENJOY! John R. Berti Tel and FAX: 508.359.5788 E-mail ID: [email protected] ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E791.1A337CF0 Content-Type: application/octet-stream; name="Petrie-Ellis Island.lnk" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Petrie-Ellis Island.lnk" TAAAAAEUAgAAAAAAwAAAAAAAAEaDAAAAEAAAAJDQx0x358AB4K3BgLHnwAGwpWQ9fefAAQBgAAAA AAAAAQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIAAFAAfUOBP0CDqOmkQotgIACswMJ0ZACNEOlwAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAAAAAAAAC2FJgAxAAAAAAC8Ko2LEABGYW1pbHkgSGlzdG9yeQBGQU1JTFl+MQArADEAAAAAALwq Y24QAFBldHJpZS1FbGxpcyBJc2xhbmQAUEVUUklFfjEAAABUAAAAHAAAAAEAAAAcAAAALQAAAAAA AABTAAAAEQAAAAMAAAC9nOoQEAAAAABEOlxGYW1pbHkgSGlzdG9yeVxQZXRyaWUtRWxsaXMgSXNs YW5kAABgAAAAAwAAoFgAAAAAAAAAYmVydGkAAAAAAAAAAAAAAJ6YZ4Ul/EBOqsKYJoLERk5FaoYt alPVEZ4tAAOKAAARnphnhSX8QE6qwpgmgsRGTkVqhi1qU9URni0AA4oAABEAAAAA ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C0E791.1A337CF0--

Hi Gang Further to my reply to Jim Petrie regarding Sir William Matthew Flinders Petrie. Here is the little information held to date on him and his family, if anyone has further details or can do further research on this line it would be most appreciated... William Matthew Flinders Petrie born 03 June 1853 at Charlton, Kent, England married HILDA URLIN in 1896 died 1942 First visited Egypt in 1879 and is renowned as one of the greatest archaeological and Egyptological pioneers. Was a Professor at University College London, was Knighted (date unknown) and trained some of the most famous Egyptologists including Howard Carter who later discovered Tutankhamun's tomb. His Parents: William Petrie born 1821 married Ann Flinders c1852 in Charlton, Kent England died 1908 He was a scientist (invented the prototype of the modern lightbulb) and also a lay preacher and religious fundamentalist Ann Flinders born 1809 died 1892 She published a series of Poems in 1844 (Nabooth the Jezreelite and other poems) Most details sourced from booklet "Digging for Dreams" from Matthew Flinders Petrie Exhibition. Cheerio Norma