I am trying to go a bit forward and alot backwards with :- Donald Cameron (M) 8/7/1750 Helen Miller @ Dunning Sco. Donald (B) 1725 Helen (B)1724-1729 Children:- Mary (B)1750 Dunning John (B)31/3.1751 Dunning Peter (B)13/9/1752 Auchterarder William (B) 1756 Auchter James (B) 1756 Auchter (Twins) Elizabeth (B)17/6/1759 Auchter (M)2/11/1790 John Manners Daniel (B) 1760 Auchter (M) 1781 Auch Lilias Harrower (B) 6/6/1770 Helen (B) 4/4/1762 Auch John is shown as having a Janet Miller as mother. Is it possible it was Helen Janet or Janet Helen and are the same person? I have hit the wall with this and any help would be most acceptable. Thanks no pleeease Jim --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.706 / Virus Database: 462 - Release Date: 14/06/2004