In a message dated 9/21/04 12:51:27 PM Pacific Daylight Time, ehad@xtra.co.nz writes: Sometime between 1867 and 1871, David Carr and his wife Catherine (nee Cochrane) left Perth for New York. With David and Catherine was their son, Ollfander. Two more sons,John and Peter,were born in New York but the family had settled in San Francisco by 1880. A daughter, Helen Cochrane Carr was born in 1871. Helen (Nellie) was sent home to live with the Scrimgeour/Carr family in Perth. at a young age. Would be grateful for further information regarding this family. Elizabeth Hello, Elizabeth! Sorry to be so late in this reply. And perhaps you already have this information, but here is what I've been able to find about your David Carr family in 1870-1880 America: The following is from the U.S. Federal Census for 1880, San Francisco, California (Enumeration District 145, Supervisor's District 1, page 14 B in the register (Image 14 of 19 online at Ancestry.com): "David Carr, white male, 38, married, birthplace Scotland [no occupation given] "Catherine, white female, 38, wife, married, keeping house, birthplace Scotland "Ollfander, white male, 13, son, single, at school, birthplace Scotland "John, white male, 9, son, single, at school, birthplace New York "Peter, white male, 6, son, single, at school, birthplace New York Address: 502 Jessie Street, San Francisco (this is presently a central San Francisco neighborhood, "South of Market [St.]", in current local jargon). It's almost on the corner with 6th St., and only 2-3 blocks from City Hall and the San Francisco Civic Center. I live near San Francisco, in Napa Valley, so I know the area, generally. Also at address #502 were two other families, German (Prussian) immigrants, suggesting an apartment house/boarding house living arrangement. Or "flats", as you in NZ might call them. It's mainly a commercial neighborhood today, but there are some residential parts. In 1880, it probably was middle-class residential. In a search of New York Immigration Passenger Lists (online at Ancestry.com) I found: a "David Carr" , age 22, born Scotland, arriving 18 June 1867 on the "Tarifa" from Liverpool; and a "Mrs. David Carr", age 29 arriving 29 July 1870 (accompanied by her son, Alexander, age 3), from Scotland, aboard the "Dorian", from Glasgow. (There was also an Ellen Cochrane, 24, from Scotland, and her son Alexander, 4 on the manifest! Could it be a relative of your Catherine Cochrane??). My interest is on the son of Mrs. David Carr. With such an unusual name as Ollfander, it's very possible that the ship's captain listed his name as "Alexander", instead. His age of "3" and his birthplace, makes him very likely to be the one and only (I found no "Ollfanders" in the Index). I'll try to send you the original images, in a file, if you want them. I have an annual subscription to Ancestry.com and most of their databases and online microfilm files. I'm not related to you---my family line in Perthshire, Scotland is Robertson, Drummond and Brown---but I've had such wonderful cooperation from other members of this online GenWeb community, that I'm anxious to "pay back" for all of the wonderful help which has come my way. If you need more searches from US Censes or Passenger Arrivals in America, please don't hesitate to ask. Warm regards---and best of luck, ---Bob (Robert Drummond) Robertson Napa Valley, California