Oops, yes I did forget to answer the second part of your question. No, Duncan and Alexander are definitely NOT interchangeable names. In rare cases I have seen David used as a substitute name for Duncan and Alan for Alexander, but these are both very rare. But Duncan and Alexander are definitely not interchangeable. If your Alexander is not found in later census records then I would suggest he either died young or emigrated. If you're interested in more information on common substitute names please refer to my article here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/principal_families.htm#Glossary_of_Gaelic_Nicknames (Make sure you have the whole url on one line with no '>', spaces, or line breaks interrupting it as the Rootsweb listserver tends to break long lines of text. If you can't get that link to work then try this shorter one: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/principal_families.htm And then click on "Glossary of Gaelic Nicknames" in the table of contents on the web page. Again, you still have to have the whole url on one line for the link to work (starting with http...and ending with ".htm" with no '>', spaces, or line breaks interrupting it. One substitute name you will want to be aware of us Daniel as a substitute for Donald. Your James Brown had an eldest son named Daniel. That means James' father's name was likely Daniel/Donald Brown. If they were from Kincardine, you should check to see where in Kincardine. Chances are very good they probably lived on the Drummond Moss. (Drummond Moss properties can be recognized by names that end in "lane" or "line".) If so, then there was a thorough census of that property conducted in 1814. We have a copy of it here: http://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/history/Blair_Drummond_Moss_Census_1814.htm I note a family at Kirk Lane #1 headed by a John & Christian Brown with an eldest son named Donald and the former possessor is named "Donald Brown". The family came previously from Balquhidder parish where your family previously came from. This looks like the right age to be a brother for your James, but you'd have to dig further to know for sure. Also Kirk Lane #4 looks promising: Donald Brown age 64 (possibly the same Donald Brown who formerly possessed Kirk Lane #1) and his wife Janett McNab with a son James, age 33 years, formerly from Balquhidder. This would be about the same time your family moved from Kincardine to Callander, so it could be that James was back with his parents working on the Moss while his wife and children were living in Callander. Just speculating, but it fits. But I note the mother's name is also an onomastic match with your Browns. Lots of coincidences matching here. Indeed, looking a little further, the only James Brown son of Donald/Daniel born anywhere in Perthshire (in the IGI) within +/-20 years of yours comes from this very family: Donald/Daniel Brown and Jannet McNab, Marriage: 22 MAR 1779 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 1. JAMES BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 14 APR 1780 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 2. CHIRSTAN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 20 JAN 1782 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 3. JOHN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 31 MAY 1784 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 4. MARGARET BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 31 DEC 1786 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 5. JOHN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: FEB 1789 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 6. CATHARINE BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 20 AUG 1791 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland 7. DUNCAN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 MAR 1794 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland 8. DUNCAN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 04 SEP 1796 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland It's an absolute perfect match for yours. That's certainly far from proof, but I'd say its a pretty likely candidate, especially given the fact that they migrated to Kincardine ca. 1790. For your McGregors: Ruinacraig/Runacraig/Ruidhnacraig/Ruidh na Craig (per your other message) is located about midway up Strathyre on the northeast shore of Loch Lubnaig. In 1815 the senior tenant was a family of Stewarts from the Balquhidder clan. FYI - McGregor and McGrigor can be considered synonymous. The spelling difference is not significant. I would be interested in knowing more about Peter Brown and Janet Stewart. I may be able to shed some light on Janet's origins. Hope that's helpful. Ryk ----- Original Message ----- From: "rusty york" <rusty_york@xtra.co.nz> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > Hi all > > thanks for your help > > yes I did do both Scotlands people & IGI. several times - OPR & > statistical, > wills & censuses. > > my main query was that I had wondered if Alexander was interchangeable > with > Duncan, as Alexander does not appear again, but Duncan, Peter, Finlay & > the > younger girls appear in the census1841 &/or 1851. I had also considered > that > Janet (1826) might be known as Christian (c1826). > > unfortunately all I have found is > James Brown m Janet McGrigor 1805 (later births McGregor) > Cirsty Brown b 1806 Kincardine by Doune > Daniel Brown b 1808 Kincardine by Doune > John Brown b 1810 Kincardine by Doune m Janet Manifold > James Brown b 1813 Kincardine by Doune m Janet McKenzie > Peter Brown b1815 Callander m Janet Stewart > Alexander Brown b 1820 Callander > Finlay Brown b 1822 Callander > Janet Brown b 1826 Doune > Margaret Brown b 1830 Doune > I have OPR copies for all these events. > Christian Brown b c 1826 (census) > > I also have info for John 1810, James 1813, Peter 1815, all with the help > of > SP. > I found info on the births of James' children that helped me with John & > Peter, & more recently found info from John's death which helped with > Duncan. (which helped to add them in). I have built up families for them. > Still trying to find John'wife death (1852-9), but that's another > mystery... > > I will do the parish searches that have been suggested, by Iain & Chris. > > thanks > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain Kennedy" <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> > To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > > >> >> Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction >> of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential >> children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they >> all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents >> marriage >> for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a >> recorded marriage. >> >> Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) >> to >> zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. >> >> Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to >> make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. >> >> You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. >> >> Iain Kennedy >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.kennedydna.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz >>> To: perthshire@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 >>> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his >>> mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a >>> witness in his brothers death, in 1859. >>> He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. >>> >>> I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & >>> Finlay >>> b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the >>> family. >>> >>> Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would >>> interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like >>> Janet-Jessie-Jean). >>> >>> thanks >>> Jan (NZ) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message