Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents marriage for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a recorded marriage. Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) to zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. Iain Kennedy http://www.kennedydna.com ---------------------------------------- > From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz > To: perthshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > > Hi > > I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a witness in his brothers death, in 1859. > He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. > > I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & Finlay b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the family. > > Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like Janet-Jessie-Jean). > > thanks > Jan (NZ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
The IGI is less complete than ScotlandsPeople when it comes to Church of Scotland records (and has no extracted Scottish Catholic parish records), but it does also hold some non-Church of Scotland extracted index entries for some dissenting Presbyterian parishes. Hugh Wallis's site shows these on the Scottish batch numbers page, but it is only a handful. It's worth exploring the Statistical Index for Callander and surrounding parishes to see what other denominations were in the area, as he may not have been necessarily Church of Scotland. See http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/sas.asp?action=public&passback= If he wasn't Church of Scotland you may need to check other parish records at the NAS in Edinburgh - most non Church of Scotland denominations for that period are under CH3. He may also simply not have been baptised! On the IGI, it's worth noting that you can also search this using the Scots Origins site without needing to know batch numbers - see www.originsnetwork.com/SOWelcome.aspx for separate search screens for baptisms and marriages. Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Kennedy" <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:13 PM To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > > Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction > of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential > children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they > all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents marriage > for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a > recorded marriage. > > Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) to > zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. > > Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to > make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. > > You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. > > Iain Kennedy > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz >> To: perthshire@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 >> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander >> >> Hi >> >> I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his >> mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a >> witness in his brothers death, in 1859. >> He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. >> >> I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & Finlay >> b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the >> family. >> >> Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would >> interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like >> Janet-Jessie-Jean). >> >> thanks >> Jan (NZ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Having done a lot of work with Callander parish records over the years for our Stewarts my observations are that the Callander OPR itself is incomplete with several years missing. There was also a very active Anglican church community around Glen Finglas and Loch Venacher, so many baptisms from this area are Anglican, not C of S. However the C of S parish church in Callander did copy many of the Anglican baptisms into its own parish register during the mid-18th century. But you would be wise to search for Anglican records for other years. Furthermore we have found than many of the settlements around Loch Katrine in Upper Strathgartney were so far distant from the parish church in Callander that the residents just couldn't be bothered to travel that far for baptisms so we have found that for families at the far west end of the parish there are frequently huge gaps in the family baptisms. We have found with rural Callander families it is often necessary to reconstruct the families from other records and merely estimate some births. Ryk Brown Stewarts of Balquhidder Research Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Paton" <christopherpaton@tiscali.co.uk> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > The IGI is less complete than ScotlandsPeople when it comes to Church of > Scotland records (and has no extracted Scottish Catholic parish records), > but it does also hold some non-Church of Scotland extracted index entries > for some dissenting Presbyterian parishes. Hugh Wallis's site shows these > on > the Scottish batch numbers page, but it is only a handful. > > It's worth exploring the Statistical Index for Callander and surrounding > parishes to see what other denominations were in the area, as he may not > have been necessarily Church of Scotland. See > http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/sas.asp?action=public&passback= If > he > wasn't Church of Scotland you may need to check other parish records at > the > NAS in Edinburgh - most non Church of Scotland denominations for that > period > are under CH3. He may also simply not have been baptised! > > On the IGI, it's worth noting that you can also search this using the > Scots > Origins site without needing to know batch numbers - see > www.originsnetwork.com/SOWelcome.aspx for separate search screens for > baptisms and marriages. > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Iain Kennedy" <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:13 PM > To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > >> >> Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction >> of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential >> children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they >> all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents >> marriage >> for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a >> recorded marriage. >> >> Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) >> to >> zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. >> >> Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to >> make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. >> >> You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. >> >> Iain Kennedy >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.kennedydna.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz >>> To: perthshire@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 >>> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his >>> mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a >>> witness in his brothers death, in 1859. >>> He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. >>> >>> I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & >>> Finlay >>> b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the >>> family. >>> >>> Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would >>> interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like >>> Janet-Jessie-Jean). >>> >>> thanks >>> Jan (NZ) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Hi all thanks for your help yes I did do both Scotlands people & IGI. several times - OPR & statistical, wills & censuses. my main query was that I had wondered if Alexander was interchangeable with Duncan, as Alexander does not appear again, but Duncan, Peter, Finlay & the younger girls appear in the census1841 &/or 1851. I had also considered that Janet (1826) might be known as Christian (c1826). unfortunately all I have found is James Brown m Janet McGrigor 1805 (later births McGregor) Cirsty Brown b 1806 Kincardine by Doune Daniel Brown b 1808 Kincardine by Doune John Brown b 1810 Kincardine by Doune m Janet Manifold James Brown b 1813 Kincardine by Doune m Janet McKenzie Peter Brown b1815 Callander m Janet Stewart Alexander Brown b 1820 Callander Finlay Brown b 1822 Callander Janet Brown b 1826 Doune Margaret Brown b 1830 Doune I have OPR copies for all these events. Christian Brown b c 1826 (census) I also have info for John 1810, James 1813, Peter 1815, all with the help of SP. I found info on the births of James' children that helped me with John & Peter, & more recently found info from John's death which helped with Duncan. (which helped to add them in). I have built up families for them. Still trying to find John'wife death (1852-9), but that's another mystery... I will do the parish searches that have been suggested, by Iain & Chris. thanks Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Kennedy" <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > > Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction > of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential > children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they > all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents marriage > for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a > recorded marriage. > > Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) to > zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. > > Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to > make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. > > You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. > > Iain Kennedy > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz >> To: perthshire@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 >> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander >> >> Hi >> >> I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his >> mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a >> witness in his brothers death, in 1859. >> He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. >> >> I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & Finlay >> b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the >> family. >> >> Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would >> interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like >> Janet-Jessie-Jean). >> >> thanks >> Jan (NZ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message