When chapman billies leave the street, And drouthy neibors, neibors, meet; As market days are wearing late, And folk begin to tak the gate, While we sit bousing at the nappy, An' getting fou and unco happy, We think na on the lang Scots miles, The mosses, waters, slaps and stiles, That lie between us and our hame, Where sits our sulky, sullen dame, Gathering her brows like gathering storm, Nursing her wrath to keep it warm A *chapman* (plural /chapmen/) was an itinerant dealer or hawker in early modern Britain. Old English /céapmann/ was the regular term for "dealer, seller", cognate to the synonymous Dutch /koopman./ Old English /céap/ meant "deal, barter, business". The modern adjective /cheap/ is a comparatively recent development from the phrase /a good cheap/, literally "a good deal". The word also appears in names such as Cheapside, Eastcheap and Chepstow; all markets or dealing places. By 1600, the word /chapman/ had come to be applied to an itinerant dealer in particular, but it remained in use for "customer, buyer" as well as "merchant" in the 17th and 18th centuries, The habit of calling a young man a /chap/ arose from the use of the abbreviated word to mean a customer, one with whom to bargain. The word was applied to hawkers of chapbooks, broadside ballads, and similar items. Their stock in trade provides a graphic insight into the methods of political and religious campaigners of the Civil War period, for example. Chapman is also a common personal name of the class derived from trades Peter On 12/18/2010 3:00 AM, perthshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ellen nee MacGregor and/or Drummond (TWMc) > 2. Re: Ellen nee MacGregor and/or Drummond (Margaret Woodford) > 3. Re: Ellen nee MacGregor and/or Drummond (CaledonC@aol.com) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 06:17:16 GMT > From: "TWMc"<tomwdcraftr@juno.com> > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Ellen nee MacGregor and/or Drummond > To: perthshire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<20101217.221716.14138.1@webmail08.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > I've done some more searches for Alexander and Helen. I think now the name may have been Helen Dyer, which makes more sense to me. I found birth records and some marriage records for a number of children at familysearch.org, some showing Helen with a last name of Diet, Dyet and some with Dyer. > I did find a death record for a Helen (Dyer) Drummond for 1845 when she was 82. It showed her as spouse of late Alex Drummond. It indicated Alex was what appeared to say Chapman pedler. Anyone know what "Chapman" is?? > Seems his Son Alexander, and Son in Law Mathew Todd were stone ware merchants, so likely pedlers. > Thanks, Tom McMillan > > > > Thank you Andy!! > Seems the birth record of Helen born to Alexander and Helen does make sense. It appears that birth record shows "Airdrieh". > Now, what adds to that. I did download the 1841 census. Right above Matthew and Helen/Ellen and family is another family which would seem likely related. This person is an Alexander Drummond who is also a stone ware merchant, the same as Matthew. Alexander is 35, so would seem a younger Brother to my Helen/Ellen. > I think the Alexander and Helen Diet or Diel?, would be their parents. Wow, that is exciting news for me!! > Would appreciate hearing from anyone else as to their thoughts about that? > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > > Hi Tom > > A transcript of the 1851 census has Ellen TODD age 51 born in Airdrie, > Lanarkshire. I think Airdrie is in the New Monkland Parish but I'm not sure > how close to the boundary with Old Monkland. The 1801 Christening in Old > Monkland for Helen DRUMMOND, father Alexander, mother Helen DIET does seem a > strong possibility particularly as a birth and a christening are two > different events and can take place in different locations. > The OPR's relate to the Established Church of Scotland so if the family > wasn't C of S or the baptism wasn't recorded then, apart from the Catholic > Parish Registers which are in a different section, it wouldn't be on > Scotlandspeople. > > Cape of Good Hope is South Africa. > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "TWMc"<tomwdcraftr@juno.com> > To:<perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2010 12:25 PM > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Ellen nee MacGregor and/or Drummond > > >> Hi All >> I purchased some credits at Scotland's People and did some searches and >> downloaded some records. >> I downloaded the 1851 census which appeared could be my family. I think it >> could be, but some of the info would appear wrong. >> Although the transcription was Mathan Todd, it does appear written as >> Mathew Todd, and his age is close. I think what showed as Andrew, may have >> been spelled Andrsn, which could be my Anderson Todd, and again the age is >> very close. The ages of Mathew, John, Anderson, Ellen, and Ellen seem >> close to my family's ages. >> There is also a Robert Todd age 55, and a James Todd age 23 (both show as >> married, but apparently no wives present). I believe my Mathew had a >> brother Robert close to that age. The birth for Robert though on the >> census shows as: "Cape of Good Hope". Would that be near Africa?? I have a >> record that Mathew's brother Robert was born in Morpeth, Northumberland, >> England. I guess it could be a different relation of Mathew's, or the >> birth loc could simply be wrong? I can't really make out Mathew's >> birthplace too well, on this census. It doesn't seem to be where I show he >> was born which was Warkworth, Northumberland, England. >> My Ellen shows as 51 years of age in 1851, which would seem consistent >> with the other birth dates I've found for her. It appears it says her >> birth was Lanark, but can't make it all out. I'd be glad to send the PDF >> file for this, if someone could help me interpret it? >> I also downloaded PDF files for 2 birth records for a Helen Drummond. One >> was born in 1801 in Old Monkland, and one in 1804 in Edinburgh. Then, I >> did find a Helen McGregor born in Killen, Perth in 1803 to a John and >> Helen McGregor. There were several other Helen McGregor/MacGregor's I >> haven't downloaded yet, in the 1798 to 1804 period. >> I thought the one born to a John and Helen could make sense, since they >> named their second Son John. However, I believe Mathew also had a Brother >> named John, so??? >> So far, I haven't found any indication of a marriage record for Mathew >> Todd and a Helen McGregor/Drummond. Perhaps, I need to search in England >> also, or perhaps they did a "common law" type marriage where there would >> be no record?? >> I could email the PDF files I downloaded, if someone could help me >> interpret the locations. >> Thanks so much!! >> Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except the portion to which you are replying. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ____________________________________________________________ > New Amex Shopping Tool > For Cardmembers Only. Try It Today& Let the Offers Come To You! > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d0c5225582ed86455cst01vuc > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 07:00:01 -0000 > From: "Margaret Woodford"<margaret@laineee.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Ellen nee MacGregor and/or Drummond > To:<perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<5BA5587633D646DC960BB072FC38AE9D@MargaretLaptop> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Tom, > > In the Dictionary of the Scots language Chapman is described thus - 1. A > petty or itinerant merchant or dealer. > > By the way are you aware that there is a free site for 1841 an 1851 UK > Census lookups - www.freecen.org.uk . Does not cover all areas but always > worth a try before spending money on Scotlands People. > Regards > Margaret > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2010 02:53:03 EST > From: CaledonC@aol.com > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Ellen nee MacGregor and/or Drummond > To: perthshire@rootsweb.com > Message-ID:<1413a.ea5e39d.3a3dc25f@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Chapman were itinerant merchants , pedlars or packmen . Burn's in Tam > O'Shanter wrote in his opening line " When Chapmen billies leave the street " > .Prior to the Statute Labour Acts , roads were virtually tracks and the > packmen or chapmen would go round the clachans and villages selling their > wares . They would often have a chain of some 5 to 10 ponies in a line with > panniers strapped to their backs At night they would be tethered in a circle > to prevent escape . Perthshire has numerous pack bridges still in good > condition and built in nthe 17th century . There is a fine example in Alyth and > a number around Crieff ( particularly Barvick and Monzie ) . Narrow and > just wide enough to allow the ponies to cross in line . The examination of > the old trades in our research is an integral part of our studies . Social > history and family history are bed mates . > > Col in Crieff > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PERTHSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the PERTHSHIRE mailing list, send an email to PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PERTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 152 > ******************************************