This discussion reminded me that in an introduction to one of the volumes of the Oxford History of England series, the editor says that in the series, the term England is meant to cover all of Britain, partly because for so long the word England has been used in that way! I was watching a historical series on TV recently, and the Scottish-voiced man who was doing the commentary referred to England at a point when it had to be Britain. Boy, did that get stick in our household! But he as just reading his script, and probably had no input to it. I have to admit that the UK broadcasters are much better these days about using England and Britain correctly (probably through having had so many complaints), so things are going in the right direction. I like to point out that if they persist in using England to mean Britain, this gives ammunition to the Scottish Nationalist Party! Loking back in history, after the Jacobite rebellions the UK government adopted a policy of referring to Scotland as "North Britain" in official records. That would have been acceptable, if they also referred to England as South Britain, but they failed to do that, and thus made very little inroads into the national feeling of Scots. Isn't history great at telling us what we did wrong...... Gordon, in Caithness.

We are always amused in New Zealand when BBC refers to Andy Murrays' tennis results. He is a Brit when he is winning, but a Scot when losing. Interests: Methven and nearby - KINLOCH and GORRIE, CUMMING, who married a STEVEN ( or STIVEN). All pre 1870. Richard, Auckland. 2011 here, and a sunny day!

I noticed that too! It always amuses me. He is even referred to by some commentators as "English". Sunny day in Auckland? Broiling and stewing day in Sydney! Kerri -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of RPOOLE Sent: Saturday, 1 January 2011 8:23 AM To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Regarding England versus Scotland We are always amused in New Zealand when BBC refers to Andy Murrays' tennis results. He is a Brit when he is winning, but a Scot when losing. Interests: Methven and nearby - KINLOCH and GORRIE, CUMMING, who married a STEVEN ( or STIVEN). All pre 1870. Richard, Auckland. 2011 here, and a sunny day! When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except the portion to which you are replying. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 149 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message