Kathy, As has been mentioned, there was more than one Smiddyhill/Smiddy Hill. In fact, nearly every village may have had one if they had to trail up the hill to the Smith! The only way ascertain which one you want may be to find other references in other documents and home in on it. You also know now that there's at still least one farm or settlement called Tullymoran, lying to the north of what is now the B0863, just west of Harrietfield, roughly midway between Perth and Crieff. Not living in Scotland myself, I find the Ordnance Survey and other maps help me to familiarize me with ancestral areas some of which I may never visit. If you don't have a map yourself, you can Tullymoran online at www.streetmap.co.uk and I find the NLS maps very helpful for older maps, though they take some searching. This Tullymoran is in Glenalmond, I think, but I imagine you may find records in more than one parish, such as Monzie, Logiealmond, Methven etc etc. I used to wonder about this but when I look at the maps and see how close they are it's not so strange after all, even without taking into account shifting parish borders over the years. I also saw a mention of a Thomas ALLAN at Tullymoran. Another invaluable series of documents besides the OPRs is the 1832 Electoral Roll - for the various parishes, so brilliantly digitalized for us on the Caledonian Connections site - eternal thanks for this! Even if your ancestor was not eligible to vote, the Rolls give us more insight into the lie of the land, literally and figuratively. On the 1832 alphabetical list of electors for the Parish of Monzie, one Thomas ALLAN was farmer and tenant with lands and houses at Wester Tullymoran, which will be the spot near Harrietfield. Again, even if this guy is not your ancestor, his family may turn up on a census record down the line near your family, maybe giving you a clue as to their whereabouts. More fun detective work. :-) Like you, I don't live in or anywhere near Scotland, which does rather hamper us on our trail. Still, I never cease to be amazed how much I can discover about the paths my ancestors trod, even at this remove. Of course, we'll never find all the answers and more and more questions arise on the way to tease us, but the process can be rather moving - and the detective work can be so exciting. I can't be bothered with puzzles and cryptograms and must confess to never having read an entire Agatha Christie, but give me an online census and a map and the OPRs & photos and I'm in ancestral heaven. And with Google as my friend there's no holding me. I hope it's as much fun for you. A pity that time and energy make me limit my enthusiasm. It's great when someone points me in the right direction and I'm grateful for all the helpful and knowledgeable people around - but most of the discoveries I want to make myself. ;-) Enjoy the trail, Katie de Haan The Netherlands -----Original Message---From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ogg-Moss Sent: vrijdag 26 maart 2010 4:03 To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran Hi Andy, The names Smiddyhill (written as one word on document) and Tullymoran come from the baptism records. Both are in Perthshire. I am just wondering how close together they are.

Kathy, When listing local parishes for Tullymoran, I left out Fowlis Wester. Katie Sent by Katie, earlier: <<< This Tullymoran is in Glenalmond, I think, but I imagine you may find records in more than one parish, such as Monzie, Logiealmond, Methven etc etc. I used to wonder about this but when I look at the maps and see how close they are it's not so strange after all, even without taking into account shifting parish borders over the years.>>>