Hi Liane Just one word of caution: not all births were registered before 1855 and your John GIBB could have been one of those. I have 1 SIM in my tree - a Jean SIM who married Robert FOWLIS in Findo-Gask, Perthshire in 1790. Unfortunately because the early marriage records usually give the barest of details, I don't know the names of her parents. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "liane" <liane@columbus.rr.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 30, 2010 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] John Gibb and Margaret Sim of Perth > There are actually only 4 John Gibbs born in Perthshire within 5 years of > 1784. In the census, John Gibb said he was born in Perth [city] & he was > evidently still in the city in 1827 when his youngest son was baptized > there. > > My new information is his death record which I just downloaded - no idea > why > I haven't done this before - and it says his father was James Gibb. Only > the John Gib baptized in Perth had a father named James. >

Liane - Pre 1855, you are relying solely on the parish records as civil registration didn't begin until 1855. There were a few non-conformist Presbyterian churches around at that time, so you may have to go search to find him in one of these. Many of these records have not been indexed as yet. The record you are most probably looking at is the OPR (Old Parish Register) Index which is mainly based on the Established Church. BonnieB Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] John Gibb and Margaret Sim of Perth > There are actually only 4 John Gibbs born in Perthshire within 5 years of > 1784. In the census, John Gibb said he was born in Perth [city] & he was > evidently still in the city in 1827 when his youngest son was baptized > there. > > My new information is his death record which I just downloaded - no idea > why > I haven't done this before - and it says his father was James Gibb. Only > the John Gib baptized in Perth had a father named James. >

>>Pre 1855, you are relying solely on the parish records as civil registration didn't begin until 1855. There were a few non-conformist Presbyterian churches around at that time, so you may have to go search to Understand about the various congregations and churches. Peacock's "Perth: its annals and its archives" lists quite a few congregations on p. 508 (as well as Methodists, Baptists, Independents) but that was present time [1848 publication date], were they active in 1784? I do see on the NAS catalogue: Records of Free, United Presbyterian (UP), United Free (UF) and Other Protestant Churches1725-1891 John Gibb's 1784 bap was performed by Rev John Duff who seems to have come to Perth in 1772. Other baptisms on the same page include one by 'Mr Alexander Pringle minister of the Associate Congregation' and 'Mr Adam Peebles minister of the Episcopal Congregation' in Perth. His parents were married by Mr. John Jervey of the Seceding Congregation in 1780. Any enlightenment on Perth congregations and availability of records for the time frame is welcome. Liane