Hello List, Does anyone on the List have a connection to the GOULD family below in Muthill? John GOULD and Margaret MILLAR had 6 children born between 1758 and 1774.christened at the Episcopal Church, Muthill. (IGI) James (1758), Catherine (1763), John (1766), Ann (1769), Alexander (1771), Janet (1774) I am particularly interested in John chr 29th March 1766 Isobel Jones __________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature database 4883 (20100220) __________ The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com

Mike, You should find it all on Scotland's People and while it's a pay site, at about NZ$2 per lookup, it's pretty cheap if used selectively. That will also give you the census records. I resisted for many years, but I'm now a firm fan. Besides, people who may provide the information would have to incur the same costs. Try the free pathway first like IGI and Rootsweb family trees. Even Google some of the names using quotation marks. But it should all be there at Scotland's People if the lady is willing to spend a few dollars. Peter in Sydney

Hello from New Zealand I have sent this to the three lists in the hope that the combined brains may be able to help me. I recently "completed" research on the family of a deceased distant cousin from Vancouver BC. Now I am helping his widow with her ancestry. She is the gggd of William PATTON d 1796 who lived in Fossoway Kinross for much of his life and most of the children were all born there. We ave been able to follow this line through a great deal. I believe that William was the son of James Murray PATON/PATTON (and Ann MARSHALL) as the forenames James Murray were used in the next two generations from William. Also the birth year from the census returns would tie in with the birth of a William PATON/PATTON in the IGI and Scotland's People. In that case he had 5 siblings according to the IGI. James Murray PATON/PATTON b 1790 Ann PATON/PATTON b 1791 Thomas PATON/PATTON b 1793 Margaret Ann PATON/PATTON b 1797 George PATON/PATTON b 1803 The names James Murray, Thomas and George all appear in William's will!!! While the names PATON and PATTON are not too common they are common enough to give me trouble in finding out descendants. Is anyone able to confirm the marriages of the 5 other children mentioned above and to start me off with any of their children, please? And also to start me off on a census hunt with either/or/and the 1851 and 1841 census details of them. Thank you Mike

Hello from NZ I don't know if this is possible but I thought I would give it a try!! The Perth Museum and Art Gallery has two paintings of James Murray PATON/PATTON, accession numbers 9/6 and FA6/80. I wondered if soemone would be able and willing to take digital photos of them and send them to me please. I am researching who I believe to be his son William b 1806, the ancestor of a relative who is a direct descendant. Thank you Mike

Mike, The museum doesn't like people taking digital pics inside, but the image might not actually be on display - best to check with them if they can do a copy. Incidentally see http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924029810979/cu31924029810979_djvu.txt - there's a bit more on James there. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 19, 2010 8:54 PM Subject: [BGSpam][PERTHSHIRE] PATTON > Hello from NZ > > I don't know if this is possible but I thought I would give it a try!! > > The Perth Museum and Art Gallery has two paintings of James Murray > PATON/PATTON, accession numbers 9/6 and FA6/80. > > I wondered if soemone would be able and willing to take digital photos of > them and send them to me please. > > I am researching who I believe to be his son William b 1806, the ancestor > of a relative who is a direct descendant. > > Thank you > > Mike > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello Katie Those names don't seem to work in with what I know so far but I will keep just in case. Thank you Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mike, list, I'm not sure how useful it is, but my first cousin 4 times removed, James McCallum of Glenalmond, first married Catherine Paton, b 1815, whose parents John Paton & Margaret Murray married Methven 1814 and raised their children in the Glenalmond/Fowlis Wester area. John Pat(t)on's father was Thomas Paton. Various Murrays in those lines.

I was directed to an archived post by Marilyn STIRLING from 2000 but the email address in it bounced. I wonder if someone could point me in the right direction. It is about the name PATTON/PATON Thanks Mike in Kawerau NZ

Hello Peter. Thanks, every little helps. I'm sure that there is a strong connection because one name appears before and after the William I am working from. Mike ----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Fossoway was where the Jacobite "White Cockade" came from. Half of Perthshire, including Glen Almond, was owned by the Murrays of Ochteryre, Abercairney and Atholl! It still is! Do not know of any connection between the Murrays and the Pattons. Peter

Hello Chris. It gives me quite a lot to work through but the name in the first piece James Murray PATTON has me excited as William PATTON's second son was James Murray PATTON!!! Thank you Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi there, See http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PERTHSHIRE/2000-12/0975684489 - you'll find some connections between the Murrays and the Patons there. I have copies of summaries I made from charters which I examined from the privately held King James VI chartularies when doing a university course a couple of years back. They concern property transactions in Perth, and James Murray Paton or Patton, the Sheriff Clerk of Perth, who was from Cairnies, Glenalmond:

Hello from New Zealand In the will of William PATTON of Fossoway in 1845 there is a reference to a James MURRAY Esquire of Glenalmond. I am assuming that this is the Glenalmond Estate in Perthshire!! I wondered if anyone is able to help me with any information about the name James MURRAY and if there is a connection to the PATTON name. Also any information about Glenalmond. I am hoping for a marriage of the two names in the early 1800s. Thank you Mike

Mike, list, I'm not sure how useful it is, but my first cousin 4 times removed, James McCallum of Glenalmond, first married Catherine Paton, b 1815, whose parents John Paton & Margaret Murray married Methven 1814 and raised their children in the Glenalmond/Fowlis Wester area. John Pat(t)on's father was Thomas Paton. Various Murrays in those lines. Hope this is of some relevance, Katie de Haan The Netherlands -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Mike Sent: donderdag 18 februari 2010 18:58 To: PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] MURRAY Hello from New Zealand In the will of William PATTON of Fossoway in 1845 there is a reference to a James MURRAY Esquire of Glenalmond. I am assuming that this is the Glenalmond Estate in Perthshire!! I wondered if anyone is able to help me with any information about the name James MURRAY and if there is a connection to the PATTON name. Also any information about Glenalmond. I am hoping for a marriage of the two names in the early 1800s. Thank you Mike ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, See http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PERTHSHIRE/2000-12/0975684489 - you'll find some connections between the Murrays and the Patons there. I have copies of summaries I made from charters which I examined from the privately held King James VI chartularies when doing a university course a couple of years back. They concern property transactions in Perth, and James Murray Paton or Patton, the Sheriff Clerk of Perth, who was from Cairnies, Glenalmond: (Portraits of James are held in Perth - see http://www.pkc.gov.uk/Education+and+learning/Museums+and+galleries/Perth+Museum+and+Art+Gallery/Collections/Art+Collections/PORTRAITS+-+A+checklist+of+portraits+in+Perth+Museum+and+Art+Gallery+Art+Collection.htm) The first feu charter, from King James VI Hopsital Chartulary 1759-1802 merely has James Paton as a witness: p.200 Feu Charter Thomas Anderson Esqr in favour of James Roy 1794 (No. 2 North Methven Street Lot 2) Thomas Anderson, heritable proprietor Having been paid £50 Sterling by Mr James Roy at Miln of Dupplin, I hereby sell, alienate and dispone in favour of him all and whole the piece of land that piece or area of ground consisting of 40 feet in front and 100 feet back from the line of the front measuring ___ square yards and ___ feet of the lands of Blackfriars in Perthshire being No. 2 of the lots of ground of the lands of Blackfriars on the east side of the street leading through the same from the High gate Port of Perth called Methven Street, as the said lot has already been staked out and delineated on a plan by me on the date hereof referred to, and bounded by Methven Street on the west; by the ground shown as Lot 1 on the plan on the east side of the said street on the south; by Lot 3 on the east side of the said street on the north; and by other parts of the lands of Blackfriars belonging to me on the east; together with any rights I may have had. I bind and oblige me heirs etc to infeft James Roy under me, for an annual payment of feu duty at Whitsunday of £1 10s Sterling, doubling at Whitsunday 1813 and each 19th year after, for that year only. If he fails to pay punctually, he shall be required to pay a half more of the feu duty and duplication thereof of Liquidate Expense and all interest until payment is met. Roy is forbidden to further feu the property out. Any further feudal documents concerning the land must carry the previous reddendo or it will be deemed void. All rents, maills and duties are hereby transferred to Roy and he is infeft as of Whitsunday 1794. Roy must abide by all conditions drawn up in a deed entitled "Terms and Conditions under which the Grounds of Blackfriars on both sides of the street called Methven Street are to be feued out" subscribed by me and recorded in the Sheriff Court Book of Perthshire on 17 OCT 1794, under which this charter is granted. I consent to the registration of this feu in the Books of Council and Session. Precept of Sasine is given to my baillies etc. Recorded by William MacRobie, clerk to Walter Miller, writer in Perth, on stamped parchment, and subscribed by me at Perth 17 OCT 1794 before these witnesses: James Paton, Sheriff Clerk of Perthshire William MacRobie, writer in Perth Signed Thomas Anderson, James Paton witness, William MacRobie witness The rest are from King James VI Hospital Chartulary 1805-1831 p.125 Charter of Confirmation The Hospital of Perth in favour of James Paton Esqr of the Lands of Blackfriars 1809 The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the Burgh of Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned Thomas Robertson, glover in Perth, master of the hospital Rev. Mr. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth Rev. Mr. Andrew Thomson Minister of the East Church Parish of Perth Rev. Mr John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth Mr. Daniel MacKenzie Minister of the West Church Parish of Perth Elders of the said Parishes of Perth In favour of James Paton Esqr of Cairnies and his heirs etc, confirmation of the charters of Feu and Disposition dated the 2 and 11 NOV 1799 made and granted by William Marshall agent for the Bank of Scotland.at Perth, trustee chosen by the Lords of Council and Session upon the sequestrated estate of Thomas Anderson merchant in Perth and late proprietor of the lands of Blackfriars conform to decreet of adjudication in his favour dated 6 JUN 1798 and recorded in register of Abbreviates in Edinburgh 12 JUN 1798, in favour Thomas Hay Marshall. William Marshall sold and disponed the land to Thomas Hay Marshall north of the Turnpike Road from Perth to Dunkeld and Crieff consisting of 20 feet in breadth and extending westwards from the large tenement house erected by Thomas Hay Marshall on Lot 1 of the south division of Rose Terrace, to a lane of 30 feet in breadth bounded on the east, by the said Turnpike Road to the south, and by grounds feued to Thomas Hay Marshall in the north. Also land to the north of the Turnpike Road extending to nine acres of ground bounded by the above area as feued by Thomas Anderson to Thomas Hay Marshall as noted in a charter dated 22 MAY 1795, the mill lead running along the west of the North Inch of Perth, on the east by the lands of Balhousie belonging to the Earl of Kinnoull, and the north by the Turnpike Road. Also, other land of Blackfriars not previously feued out south of the Turnpike Road; and also part of the ridge of land feued from the Community of the Burgh of Perth lying on the south of the last mentioned area of Blackfriars, and immediately beneath the mill lead or aqueduct of the Towns Mills, extending the portion of the land of Blackfriars to five acres, bounded partly by Methven Street and partly by lots 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 shown on the plan subscribed by Thomas Anderson on 17 OCT 1794 on the west, partly by a street 30 feet to be opened from Methven Street eastward through the lands of Blackfriars (shown on he plan), partly by the mill lead, also known as the King's Lead, and on the south by Andrew Robertson & Company Tan Works and partly by the road running along the garden wall of Mrs Millars Garden and the west end of the Crescent from the Castle Gable towards the Turnpike Road on the east and the Turnpike road on the north. Privilieges of ish and entry etc, and the conditions etc as previously recorded in the feu charter and sasine in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall granted 23 APR 1800, registered in the particular register of sasines 22 JAN 1802 and sold 25 JAN 1802 by Thomas Hay Marshall to James Sharp of Kincarrochy and James Paton, the Sheriff Clerk of Perthshire, as registered in the Particular Register of Sasines 10 MAR 1802. On 29 and 30 OCT 1802 Colonel James Sharp and James Paton sold the land back to Thomas Hay Marshall as recorded in a Right and Disposition of that date, which was recorded in the Particular Register of Sasines on 3 NOV 1802. The 7 APR 1808, Right and Disposition and Assignation, registered in Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire 20 JUL 1808 granted by Thomas Hay Marshall of Kenalmond in favour of James Paton esq of Cairnies, and his heirs etc. Instrument of Sasine in favour of James Paton dated 5 JAN 1808, recorded in the register on 4 FEB 1809. Feu duties: For the lot on Rose Terrace, £1 Sterling. For the lands of Blackfriars north of the Turnpike Road (land of 9 acres), £45 Sterling. For the land south of the Turnpike Road, £25 Sterling. Total £71 Sterling, to be paid annually at Martinmas, and doubling Martinmas 1817 for one year only, and then every 19 years thereafter. Usual one half more punishment of failure to pay etc. Must obey rules of the deed entitled "Terms and Conditions under which the grounds of Blackfriars on both sides of the Street called Methven Street are to be fewed out &c". Written on this and two pages preceding of stamped vellum by James Halket, clerk to Walter Miller writer, subscribed by Thomas Robertson Hospital Master and the ministers and Elders of Perth, except Mr William Aird Thomson at the Hospital House of Perth 14 FEB 1809 witnesses Robert Fisher and James Graham weavers in Perth. And by William Aird Thomson 24 FEB 1809, witnesses Robert Fisher and James Graham weavers in Perth (Signed) John Findlay Minister, Andrew Thomson minr, Daniel MacKenzie minister, Wm Aird Thomson minr, Thomas Robertson Hospital Master, John Caw elder, Walter Miller elder, David McLaren elder, D Robertson Elder, William Rutherford Elder, Chas Grey elder, Robert Fisher witness, James Graham witness. Robert Fisher witness, James Graham witness (i.e. their names recorded twice) p.132 Charter of Confirmation The Hospital of Perth in favour of James Paton Esqr of the first three Lotts of the South Division of Rose Terrace Dated 14 & 24 FEB 1809 The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the Burgh of Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned Thomas Robertson, glover in Perth, master of the hospital Rev. Mr. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth Rev. Mr. Andrew Thomson Minister of the East Church Parish of Perth Rev. Mr John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth Mr. Daniel MacKenzie Minister of the West Church Parish of Perth Elders of the said Parishes of Perth In favour of James Paton Esqr of Cairneys, confirming the right and charter of subfeu and disposition of 22 MAY 1795 granted by Thomas Anderson of Blackfriars of Perth, now deceased in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall Merchant in Perth also deceased, where Anderson sold to Marshall lots 1, 2 and 3 of the south division of Rose Terrace of Blackfriars, upon each of which he had erected a house. The lots were bounded by the Turnpike Road from Perth to Crieff and Dunkeld on the south; by a lane on the west; the Milnlead running from Balhousie to the Town of Perth on the east; and lot 4 on the south division of Rose Terrace. The gable walls of the three houses on the lots marks the boundaries of each from the other, and from lot 4. The exception to this was twenty feet of the back ground of lot one facing the turnpike road onto which plans were made to erect a tenement, as recorded 26 MAY in an instrument of sasine, and on 30 MAY in the Register. The property was granted on 7 APR 1808 in the Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire by Thomas Hay Marshall of Glenalmond to James Paton - Marshall had acquired them from Thomas Anderson and William Marshall agent of the Bank of Scotland in Perth, trustee of Anderson's sequestrated estate. Instrument of Sasine in favour of James Paton dated 5 JAN 1808 and in the Register 14 JAN 1808. Feu duty £4 Sterling annually at Whistunday per lot, therefore £12 annually, doubling Whitsunday 1813 and each 19th year thereafter. But as confirmed in the charter to Thomas Hay Marshall, Paton can reduce the annual feu duty to £1 per property if he wishes to pay £60 per lot to the Hospital manager for the poor, after which the benefit of this would be further confirmed in a charter drawn up by the Hospital, but at Paton's expense. The land is not to be further subfeued, and Paton is to abide by the rules of "Terms and Conditions under which the parts of the grounds of Blackfriars of Perth which lye on the Northside of the Turnpike Road from Perth to Crieff and Dunkeld and Immediately West of the Milnlead leading from Balhousie to Perth & which are to be denominated the South division of Rose Terrace are to be Fewed out" as subscribed by Thomas Anderson and recorded in the Sheriff Court Books etc 22 MAY 1795. Recorded on this and two preceding pages of one skin of stamped vellum by David Miller, clerk to Walter Miller writer in Perth and subscribed by Thomas Robertson, hospital manager ministers and elders except William Aird Thomson at the Hospital House of Perth 14 FEB 1809 before witnesses Robert Fisher and James Graham both weavers in Perth, and by William Aird Thomson at Perth 24 FEB 1809 before Robert Fisher and James Graham (signed) John Findlay Minister, Andrew Thomson minr, Daniel MacKenzie minister, Thomas Robertson Hospital Master, John Caw elder, Walter Miller elder, David MacLaren elder, D Robertson Elder, William Rutherford Elder, Charles Gregor elder, Robert Fisher witness, James Graham witness. Robert Fisher witness, James Graham witness (i.e. their names recorded twice) p.431 Charter of Confirmation The Hospital of Perth in favour of Misses Thomson 1828 The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the City of Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned Robert Clink, merchant in Perth, master of King James VI's Hospital in Perth Rev. John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth Rev. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth Rev. James Esdaile, Minister of the East Church of Perth Rev. Samuel George Kennedy, Minister of the West Church of Perth Elders of the said Parishes of Perth In favour of Mary Thomson, Margaret Thomson and Isobel Thomson, all residing at Bridgend of Perth, lawful daughters of the deceased George Thomson, late Clerk in the Custom House of Perth, a disposition dated 21 NOV 1823 made and granted by Henry Lindsay, merchant in Perth, trustee of the sequestrated estate of the Perth Foundry Company, and of Charles Archer, William Gray and John Archer, the individual partners of that company, nominated & confirmed by the Lords of Council and Session on 18 APR 1820, and duly infeft in the property to be mentioned by virtue of a Disposition in his favour granted by the bankrupts for behoof of the creditors at large. Instrument of Sasine was recorded in his favour dated 31 AUG 1821, and recorded in the Particular Register of Sasines for the County of Perth 11 SEP 1821, with the consent and concurrence of Laurence Robertson Esquire, agent at Perth, for the British Linen Company and James Ritchie, farmer at Easter Rhynd, commissioners appointed by the Creditors for assisting the Trustee in the management of the sequestrated estate in terms of the Bankrupt Act. Henry Lindsay then sold the property to Patrick Wallace coachmaker in Perth. The property is the south part of the square of ground in the Lands of Blackfriars, including the buildings thereon (the new Smithy excepted), bounded on the east by Kinnoull Street; the south by Union Lane; the west by Stormont Street; and the north by a line nine inches distant from the back wall of Mr. Wallace's workshops. Also the stance fronting Atholl Street, immediately to the west of that lot, sold by Henry Lindsay to David Mitchell, bounded east by the said stance sold to David Mitchell; to the south by a line nine inches distant from the North wall of Mr. Wallace's workshops; to the west by the other two lots fronting Atholl Street belonging to the Perth Foundry Company; and by the stance on Atholl Street containing the new Smithy building. Along with all rights etc formerly held by the Perth Foundry Company, its partners, and Henry Lindsay. Also an Instrument of Sasine in favour of Patrick Wallace, under the hands of Harry MacLeod, public notary, dated 21 NOV 1823, which was registered in the New Particular Register of Sasines, Reversions, &c on 15 JAN 1824. Also Disposition dated 20 & 21 JUN 1828 made and granted by Henry Lindsay as trustee, with the consent of James Ritchie, William Dickson merchant in Perth, and Patrick Gilbert Stewart agent at Perth for the bank of Scotland, in favour of Patrick Wallace, whereby he sold these three stances of ground to David Mitchell, who afterwards declared the property to have been purchased on behalf of Patrick Wallace, all situated in Blackfriars of Perth, and fronting Atholl Street on the north; Kinnoull Street on the east; partly by the remaining property of the said Patrick Wallace, and partly by the property sold by Wallace to Richard Deighton, stabler, on the south; and by Stormont Street on the west, along with all buildings etc thereon, and all rights etc formerly held by the Perth Foundry Company, its partners, and Henry Lindsay. Also an Instrument of Sasine in favour of Patrick Wallace under the hands of William Wedderspoon dated 17 JUL 1828 and recorded in the New Particular Register of Sasines for Perthshire 21 JUL 1828. Also, a Bond & Disposition under reversion, dated 11 JUL 1828, made and granted by Wallace for the sale of all of the aforementioned properties to Mary Thomson, Margaret Thomson and Isobel Thomson. Also an Instrument of Sasine in their favour dated 17 JUL 1828 and recorded in the New Particular Register 22 JUL 1828. The total feu duty is a proportional part of £26 Sterling for those lots of Blackfriars, as noted in a feu charter dated 24 MAR 1802 by James Paton Esquire of Glenalmond and Colonel James Sharp of Kincarrochty in favour of the Perth Foundry Company, to be paid annually at Whitsunday, and doubling at Whitsunday 1832 for that year alone, and then every 19th year thereafter. However, the women can claim back some of this feu duty from the other proprietors who may be liable. The three women must also abide by the stipulations recorded in a deed entitled "Terms and Conditions under which the Lands of Blackfriars of Perth on both sides of the street called Methven Street are to be feued out" as subscribed by Thomas Anderson of Blackfriars, and registered in the Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire 17 OCT 1794. Consent is given for this to be recorded in the Books of Council and Session. (No witnesses are listed). p.446 Charter of Resignation The Hospital of Perth in favour of M. & M. E. Macdougall The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the City of Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned Robert Clink, merchant in Perth, master of King James VI's Hospital in Perth Rev. John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth Rev. James Esdaile, Minister of the East Church of Perth Rev. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth Rev. Samuel George Kennedy, Minister of the West Church of Perth Elders of the said Parishes of Perth In favour of Misses Margaret and Mary Eavine Macdougall lately residing in Perth, now residing at Ballachan in the parish of ____ and county of Argyle equally between them. First, the area in the lands of Blackfriars of Perth, lying north of the Turnpike road from Perth to Dunkeld and Creiff, 25 feet in breadth, and extending westwards from the tenement on Lot 1 of the south division of Rose Terrace, built by Thomas Hay Marshall Esquire, to a lane thirty feet in breadth, bounded by Marshall's tenement to the east; by the Turnpike road to the south; by the street mentioned to the west; and by grounds sometime ago feued to Thomas Hay Marshall, on the north. Also, the portion of the lands of Blackfriars north of the Turnpike Road extending to nine acres of land, bounded by the area above mentioned and the grounds feued out by Thomas Anderson late merchant in Perth to Thomas Hay Marshall, conform to a charter in his favour dated 22 MAY 1795, and partly by the Mill Lead running along the west side of North Inch of Perth on the east; by the lands of Balhousie, belonging to the Earl of Kinnoul on the north, and the foresaid Turnpike Road on both the west and the south. Thirdly, a portion of the lands of Blackfriars lying on the south side of the Turnpike Road. And fourthly, the whole ridge of land, sometime ago feued by Thomas Anderson from the Community of the Burgh of Perth, lying on the southside of the last mentioned portions of the lands of Blackfriars, immediately beneath the Mill Lead or aqueduct of the Town Mills extending in whole the portion of the lands of Blackfriars, and the previously mentioned ridge of land, to five acres of ground, bounded by Methven Street and Lots 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 as shown on a plan subscribed by Thomas Anderson on 17 OCT 1794 on the west, partly by a street 30 feet wide to be opened from Methven Street eastwards through the lands of Blackfriars, as shown on the plan, and partly by the Mill Lead, also known as the King's Lead, on the south. partly by Andrew Robertson's tan works, and partly by the road on the west side of Mr. Miller's Garden, and the west end of the Crescent from the Castle Gable towards the Turnpike Road on the east, and the said Turnpike road on the north parts. But excluding the portion of land before mentioned on which the public seminaries of the City of Perth are erected, and the ground in front, between it and the Balhousie branch of the Town Mill Lead or aqueduct bounded by the street called Printing House Lane, now Barossa Street on the west; the property of David Mason, sometime Lord Provost of Perth on the north; the property of Captain James Ross and others on the south; and the said Balhousie branch of the Mill Lead on the east. This last piece of ground mentioned was bound by James Hay Marshall to be made over to the Community of Perth, as described in a minute of the Town Council of Perth dated 4 JAN 1802, along with its feu duties and casualties etc, and privileges of ish and entry etc, as described in a feu charter dated 2 and 11 NOV 1799 in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall granted by the Trustees & Commissioners of the sequestrated estate of Thomas Anderson. The lands above disponed are under the express burden of £153 Sterling due to James Paton Esquire of Glenalmond, being the portion of the purchase money still to be paid, and interest from 12 JUN 1829, which is to be engrossed in the infeftment to follow, and in all future transmissions until payment is complete. The lands formerly pertained heritably to James Paton Esquire of Glenalmond, held under the Hospital and the Poor etc, and resigned by him and general disponee and heir of provision served and retoured to the said deceased Thomas Hay Marshall, by virtue of a Procuratory of Resignation contained in a Disposition dated 12 JUN 1829 granted by Paton. A new infeftment was then granted in favour of Misses Margaret and Mary Eavine McDougall equally between them and their heirs and assignees. Feu duties, payable annually at Martinmas: for the first Lot, £1 Sterling. For the second lot (nine acres) £45 Sterling; for the third and fourth, £25 Sterling - total therefore of £71 Sterling, doubling at Martinmas 1836 for that year, and for every 19th year thereafter, for those years only. All in accordance with the feu charter in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall dated 2 and 11 NOV 1799 and Instrument of Sasine following dated 23 APR 1800, and recorded at Perth 26 APR 1800, and also to the terms specified in the writing of Thomas Anderson Esquire dated 17 OCT 1794 and recorded in the Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire on the same day. And with the real burden of £153 payable to James Paton Esquire. The two women are now infeft and Precept of Sasine is now given. (No witness recorded) p.549 Charter of Resignation The Hospital of Perth in favour of Peter Brown Esquire The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the City of Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned Robert Clink, merchant in Perth, master of King James VI's Hospital in Perth Rev. John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth Rev. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth Rev. James Esdaile, Minister of the East Church of Perth Rev. Samuel George Kennedy, Minister of the West Church of Perth Elders of the said Parishes of Perth On 22 MAY 1795, Thomas Anderson Esquire, then of Blackfriars, sold Lots 1, 2 and 3 of the South Division of Rose Terrace to Thomas Hay Marshall, who held it under Anderson in feu. Considering Thomas Anderson having become embarrassed, his estates, real and personal, were sequestrated by the Lords of Council & Session, and the lands belonging to him having been sold, the managers of the Hospital acquired them and the right to superiority on them, conform to a Disposition dated 2 NOV 1799 granted in their favour by William Marshall, agent for the bank of Scotland in Perth, trustee on the sequestrated estate, which was recorded in the Burgh Court Book of Perth on 27 MAY 1800. Despite the prohibition on subinfeudating the lots further, Thomas Hay Marshall then sold the Lots, as noted in the feu charter of 28 OCT 1805, to be held of himself, to Robert Morrison printer in Perth, for payment of feu duty of 30s Sterling, payable annually at Whitsunday, and doubling at Whitsunday 1832 and every 19th year thereafter, for those years only. On 4 JUL 1814 Robert Morrison sold the Lots to John Scott, teacher in Perth, whose son John Scott, printer, then conveyed the property to peter Brown Esquire, conform to the Disposition after mentioned. James Patton Esquire of Glenalmond acquired the right of superiority from Thomas Hay Marshall, and then conveyed the right to Misses Margaret and Mary Eavine McDougall, lately residing in Perth, but now in at Ballachuan in the parish of Kilbrandon in Argyleshire, conform to a Disposition in their favour dated 8 JUL 1830, and they then conveyed the right of superiority to the Hospital in 1831. Peter Brown has now paid the Hospital £21 as the adequate and agreed on price and value of an annual payment of 20s being part of the feu duty of 30s per year payable, leaving him now to pay 10s per year in feu duty. The Hospital also now dispones in his favour the piece of ground on the east of Barossa Street or Printing House Lane in Blackfriars of Perth along with the house erected on it which was formerly a printing house, and now converted into a schoolroom, dwelling house and others consisting of 44 feet in length from north to south, erected principally on the back ground belonging to Lot 3 of Rose Terrace and partly on the back ground of Lot 2, and bounded by printing House Lane or Barossa Street on the west; by part of the back ground of Lot 2 on the south; partly by the remaining back ground of Lot 3, and partly by a small house erected by Dr. james McFarlane on the back ground of Lot 2 on the East; and by the back ground of Lot 4 on the north. Free ish and entry is granted on the aforesaid lane or street and through no other way. The proprietors of Lot 3 have access through a four feet wide entry from the foresaid lane through th subjects disponed, the height of the ground story of the aforesaid Printing house. And Peter Brown must place iron bars in the window of the ground story, if not already done, to guard against intrusion from the Printing house into the back ground, and conform to the agreement whereby the heirs and assignees of Thomas Hay Marshall were bound by a charter granted in favour of Robert Morrison not to erect any building within 15 feet of the Printing House, in order to protect the access of light into the building. Peter Brown is prevented from subinfeudating the property further. he must also pave the area five feet wide outside his property on Barossa Street, and to causeway to the middle of the street the length of his property, and to keep it in good repair. In future documents, he is to include the reddendo aftermentioned, and all conditions and provisions already stated, failure to do so meaning his contract with the Hospital will be null and void, along with all rights enjoyed by the Hospital to the ground, formerly held by John Scott as vassal or proprietor under James Paton, his heirs and successors as immediate lawful superiors of Scott, to which superiority the Hospital acquired the right as previously described. John Scott's Procuratory of Resignation in favour of Peter Brown is dated 17 NOV 1830, with consent of Robert Robertson, merchant in Perth, trustee for the creditors conform to Trust Disposition executed by the said John Scott in his favour in 1830, and given in to Robert Clink at the Hospital. Peter Brown is now made infeft. The feu duty payable is 10s annually at Whitsunday, and doubling at Whitsunday 1832 and each 19th year thereafter, for those years only. Precept of Sasine is duly given. (No witness listed) I should add that I am not connected to this line of Patons - at least not yet! Hope it helps! Chris Paton www.ScotlandsGreatestStory.co.uk Scotland's Greatest Story www.ScottishAncestry.blogspot.com Scottish Genealogy News and Events ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike" <casofilia@xtra.co.nz> To: <PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:57 PM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] MURRAY > Hello from New Zealand > > In the will of William PATTON of Fossoway in 1845 there is a reference to > a James MURRAY Esquire of Glenalmond. I am assuming that this is the > Glenalmond Estate in Perthshire!! > > I wondered if anyone is able to help me with any information about the > name James MURRAY and if there is a connection to the PATTON name. > > Also any information about Glenalmond. > > I am hoping for a marriage of the two names in the early 1800s. > > Thank you > > Mike > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

You are absolutely correct. And to think I was there last year! Thanks Peter On 18/02/2010 2:50 PM, James Irvine Robertson wrote: > Wasn't that Fassifern on the road from Glenfinnan? > > X > > > On 18/02/2010 19:40, "Peter R. McNaughton"<info@rossion.com> wrote: > > >> Fossoway was where the Jacobite "White Cockade" came from. >> >> Half of Perthshire, including Glen Almond, was owned by the Murrays of >> Ochteryre, Abercairney and Atholl! It still is! >> >> Do not know of any connection between the Murrays and the Pattons. >> >> Peter >> >> On 18/02/2010 2:32 PM, perthshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. MURRAY (Mike) >>> 2. Re: MURRAY (Chris Paton) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:57:43 +1300 >>> From: "Mike"<casofilia@xtra.co.nz> >>> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] MURRAY >>> To:<PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID:<51CFEBC98E064263884CD7EF78FB3F9A@casofilia> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" >>> >>> Hello from New Zealand >>> >>> In the will of William PATTON of Fossoway in 1845 there is a reference to a >>> James MURRAY Esquire of Glenalmond. I am assuming that this is the >>> Glenalmond Estate in Perthshire!! >>> >>> I wondered if anyone is able to help me with any information about the name >>> James MURRAY and if there is a connection to the PATTON name. >>> >>> Also any information about Glenalmond. >>> >>> I am hoping for a marriage of the two names in the early 1800s. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:31:20 -0000 >>> From: "Chris Paton"<christopherpaton@tiscali.co.uk> >>> Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] MURRAY >>> To:<perthshire@rootsweb.com> >>> Message-ID:<3E1AE01613014B00B78FB31F741F45D8@defaultd550205> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; >>> reply-type=original >>> >>> Hi there, >>> >>> See >>> http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PERTHSHIRE/2000-12/0975684489 >>> - you'll find some connections between the Murrays and the Patons there. >>> >>> I have copies of summaries I made from charters which I examined from the >>> privately held King James VI chartularies when doing a university course a >>> couple of years back. They concern property transactions in Perth, and James >>> Murray Paton or Patton, the Sheriff Clerk of Perth, who was from Cairnies, >>> Glenalmond: >>> (Portraits of James are held in Perth - see >>> http://www.pkc.gov.uk/Education+and+learning/Museums+and+galleries/Perth+Muse >>> um+and+Art+Gallery/Collections/Art+Collections/PORTRAITS+-+A+checklist+of+por >>> traits+in+Perth+Museum+and+Art+Gallery+Art+Collection.htm) >>> >>> The first feu charter, from King James VI Hopsital Chartulary 1759-1802 >>> merely has James Paton as a witness: >>> >>> >>> p.200 >>> >>> >>> >>> Feu Charter Thomas Anderson Esqr in favour of James Roy 1794 >>> >>> (No. 2 North Methven Street Lot 2) >>> >>> >>> >>> Thomas Anderson, heritable proprietor >>> >>> >>> >>> Having been paid ?50 Sterling by Mr James Roy at Miln of Dupplin, I hereby >>> sell, alienate and dispone in favour of him all and whole the piece of land >>> that piece or area of ground consisting of 40 feet in front and 100 feet >>> back from the line of the front measuring ___ square yards and ___ feet of >>> the lands of Blackfriars in Perthshire being No. 2 of the lots of ground of >>> the lands of Blackfriars on the east side of the street leading through the >>> same from the High gate Port of Perth called Methven Street, as the said lot >>> has already been staked out and delineated on a plan by me on the date >>> hereof referred to, and bounded by Methven Street on the west; by the ground >>> shown as Lot 1 on the plan on the east side of the said street on the south; >>> by Lot 3 on the east side of the said street on the north; and by other >>> parts of the lands of Blackfriars belonging to me on the east; together with >>> any rights I may have had. >>> >>> >>> >>> I bind and oblige me heirs etc to infeft James Roy under me, for an annual >>> payment of feu duty at Whitsunday of ?1 10s Sterling, doubling at Whitsunday >>> 1813 and each 19th year after, for that year only. If he fails to pay >>> punctually, he shall be required to pay a half more of the feu duty and >>> duplication thereof of Liquidate Expense and all interest until payment is >>> met. Roy is forbidden to further feu the property out. Any further feudal >>> documents concerning the land must carry the previous reddendo or it will be >>> deemed void. All rents, maills and duties are hereby transferred to Roy and >>> he is infeft as of Whitsunday 1794. >>> >>> >>> >>> Roy must abide by all conditions drawn up in a deed entitled "Terms and >>> Conditions under which the Grounds of Blackfriars on both sides of the >>> street called Methven Street are to be feued out" subscribed by me and >>> recorded in the Sheriff Court Book of Perthshire on 17 OCT 1794, under which >>> this charter is granted. I consent to the registration of this feu in the >>> Books of Council and Session. Precept of Sasine is given to my baillies etc. >>> >>> >>> >>> Recorded by William MacRobie, clerk to Walter Miller, writer in Perth, on >>> stamped parchment, and subscribed by me at Perth 17 OCT 1794 before these >>> witnesses: >>> >>> >>> >>> James Paton, Sheriff Clerk of Perthshire >>> >>> William MacRobie, writer in Perth >>> >>> >>> >>> Signed >>> >>> Thomas Anderson, James Paton witness, William MacRobie witness >>> >>> >>> >>> The rest are from King James VI Hospital Chartulary 1805-1831 >>> >>> p.125 >>> >>> >>> >>> Charter of Confirmation The Hospital of Perth in favour of James Paton Esqr >>> of the Lands of Blackfriars >>> >>> 1809 >>> >>> >>> >>> The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the Burgh of >>> Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned >>> >>> Thomas Robertson, glover in Perth, master of the hospital >>> >>> Rev. Mr. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. Mr. Andrew Thomson Minister of the East Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. Mr John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Mr. Daniel MacKenzie Minister of the West Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Elders of the said Parishes of Perth >>> >>> >>> >>> In favour of James Paton Esqr of Cairnies and his heirs etc, confirmation of >>> the charters of Feu and Disposition dated the 2 and 11 NOV 1799 made and >>> granted by William Marshall agent for the Bank of Scotland.at Perth, trustee >>> chosen by the Lords of Council and Session upon the sequestrated estate of >>> Thomas Anderson merchant in Perth and late proprietor of the lands of >>> Blackfriars conform to decreet of adjudication in his favour dated 6 JUN >>> 1798 and recorded in register of Abbreviates in Edinburgh 12 JUN 1798, in >>> favour Thomas Hay Marshall. William Marshall sold and disponed the land to >>> Thomas Hay Marshall north of the Turnpike Road from Perth to Dunkeld and >>> Crieff consisting of 20 feet in breadth and extending westwards from the >>> large tenement house erected by Thomas Hay Marshall on Lot 1 of the south >>> division of Rose Terrace, to a lane of 30 feet in breadth bounded on the >>> east, by the said Turnpike Road to the south, and by grounds feued to Thomas >>> Hay Marshall in the north. Also land to the north of the Turnpike Road >>> extending to nine acres of ground bounded by the above area as feued by >>> Thomas Anderson to Thomas Hay Marshall as noted in a charter dated 22 MAY >>> 1795, the mill lead running along the west of the North Inch of Perth, on >>> the east by the lands of Balhousie belonging to the Earl of Kinnoull, and >>> the north by the Turnpike Road. Also, other land of Blackfriars not >>> previously feued out south of the Turnpike Road; and also part of the ridge >>> of land feued from the Community of the Burgh of Perth lying on the south of >>> the last mentioned area of Blackfriars, and immediately beneath the mill >>> lead or aqueduct of the Towns Mills, extending the portion of the land of >>> Blackfriars to five acres, bounded partly by Methven Street and partly by >>> lots 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 shown on the plan subscribed by Thomas Anderson on 17 >>> OCT 1794 on the west, partly by a street 30 feet to be opened from Methven >>> Street eastward through the lands of Blackfriars (shown on he plan), partly >>> by the mill lead, also known as the King's Lead, and on the south by Andrew >>> Robertson& Company Tan Works and partly by the road running along the >>> garden wall of Mrs Millars Garden and the west end of the Crescent from the >>> Castle Gable towards the Turnpike Road on the east and the Turnpike road on >>> the north. Privilieges of ish and entry etc, and the conditions etc as >>> previously recorded in the feu charter and sasine in favour of Thomas Hay >>> Marshall granted 23 APR 1800, registered in the particular register of >>> sasines 22 JAN 1802 and sold 25 JAN 1802 by Thomas Hay Marshall to James >>> Sharp of Kincarrochy and James Paton, the Sheriff Clerk of Perthshire, as >>> registered in the Particular Register of Sasines 10 MAR 1802. On 29 and 30 >>> OCT 1802 Colonel James Sharp and James Paton sold the land back to Thomas >>> Hay Marshall as recorded in a Right and Disposition of that date, which was >>> recorded in the Particular Register of Sasines on 3 NOV 1802. The 7 APR >>> 1808, Right and Disposition and Assignation, registered in Sheriff Court >>> Books of Perthshire 20 JUL 1808 granted by Thomas Hay Marshall of Kenalmond >>> in favour of James Paton esq of Cairnies, and his heirs etc. Instrument of >>> Sasine in favour of James Paton dated 5 JAN 1808, recorded in the register >>> on 4 FEB 1809. >>> >>> >>> >>> Feu duties: >>> >>> For the lot on Rose Terrace, ?1 Sterling. >>> >>> For the lands of Blackfriars north of the Turnpike Road (land of 9 acres), >>> ?45 Sterling. >>> >>> For the land south of the Turnpike Road, ?25 Sterling. >>> >>> >>> >>> Total ?71 Sterling, to be paid annually at Martinmas, and doubling Martinmas >>> 1817 for one year only, and then every 19 years thereafter. Usual one half >>> more punishment of failure to pay etc. Must obey rules of the deed entitled >>> "Terms and Conditions under which the grounds of Blackfriars on both sides >>> of the Street called Methven Street are to be fewed out&c". >>> >>> >>> >>> Written on this and two pages preceding of stamped vellum by James Halket, >>> clerk to Walter Miller writer, subscribed by Thomas Robertson Hospital >>> Master and the ministers and Elders of Perth, except Mr William Aird Thomson >>> at the Hospital House of Perth 14 FEB 1809 witnesses Robert Fisher and James >>> Graham weavers in Perth. And by William Aird Thomson 24 FEB 1809, witnesses >>> Robert Fisher and James Graham weavers in Perth (Signed) >>> >>> John Findlay Minister, Andrew Thomson minr, Daniel MacKenzie minister, Wm >>> Aird Thomson minr, Thomas Robertson Hospital Master, John Caw elder, Walter >>> Miller elder, David McLaren elder, D Robertson Elder, William Rutherford >>> Elder, Chas Grey elder, Robert Fisher witness, James Graham witness. Robert >>> Fisher witness, James Graham witness (i.e. their names recorded twice) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> p.132 >>> >>> >>> >>> Charter of Confirmation The Hospital of Perth in favour of James Paton Esqr >>> of the first three Lotts of the South Division of Rose Terrace >>> >>> Dated 14& 24 FEB 1809 >>> >>> >>> >>> The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the Burgh of >>> Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned >>> >>> Thomas Robertson, glover in Perth, master of the hospital >>> >>> Rev. Mr. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. Mr. Andrew Thomson Minister of the East Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. Mr John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Mr. Daniel MacKenzie Minister of the West Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Elders of the said Parishes of Perth >>> >>> >>> >>> In favour of James Paton Esqr of Cairneys, confirming the right and charter >>> of subfeu and disposition of 22 MAY 1795 granted by Thomas Anderson of >>> Blackfriars of Perth, now deceased in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall Merchant >>> in Perth also deceased, where Anderson sold to Marshall lots 1, 2 and 3 of >>> the south division of Rose Terrace of Blackfriars, upon each of which he had >>> erected a house. The lots were bounded by the Turnpike Road from Perth to >>> Crieff and Dunkeld on the south; by a lane on the west; the Milnlead running >>> from Balhousie to the Town of Perth on the east; and lot 4 on the south >>> division of Rose Terrace. The gable walls of the three houses on the lots >>> marks the boundaries of each from the other, and from lot 4. The exception >>> to this was twenty feet of the back ground of lot one facing the turnpike >>> road onto which plans were made to erect a tenement, as recorded 26 MAY in >>> an instrument of sasine, and on 30 MAY in the Register. The property was >>> granted on 7 APR 1808 in the Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire by Thomas Hay >>> Marshall of Glenalmond to James Paton - Marshall had acquired them from >>> Thomas Anderson and William Marshall agent of the Bank of Scotland in Perth, >>> trustee of Anderson's sequestrated estate. >>> >>> >>> >>> Instrument of Sasine in favour of James Paton dated 5 JAN 1808 and in the >>> Register 14 JAN 1808. Feu duty ?4 Sterling annually at Whistunday per lot, >>> therefore ?12 annually, doubling Whitsunday 1813 and each 19th year >>> thereafter. But as confirmed in the charter to Thomas Hay Marshall, Paton >>> can reduce the annual feu duty to ?1 per property if he wishes to pay ?60 >>> per lot to the Hospital manager for the poor, after which the benefit of >>> this would be further confirmed in a charter drawn up by the Hospital, but >>> at Paton's expense. The land is not to be further subfeued, and Paton is to >>> abide by the rules of "Terms and Conditions under which the parts of the >>> grounds of Blackfriars of Perth which lye on the Northside of the Turnpike >>> Road from Perth to Crieff and Dunkeld and Immediately West of the Milnlead >>> leading from Balhousie to Perth& which are to be denominated the South >>> division of Rose Terrace are to be Fewed out" as subscribed by Thomas >>> Anderson and recorded in the Sheriff Court Books etc 22 MAY 1795. >>> >>> >>> >>> Recorded on this and two preceding pages of one skin of stamped vellum by >>> David Miller, clerk to Walter Miller writer in Perth and subscribed by >>> Thomas Robertson, hospital manager ministers and elders except William Aird >>> Thomson at the Hospital House of Perth 14 FEB 1809 before witnesses Robert >>> Fisher and James Graham both weavers in Perth, and by William Aird Thomson >>> at Perth 24 FEB 1809 before Robert Fisher and James Graham >>> >>> (signed) John Findlay Minister, Andrew Thomson minr, Daniel MacKenzie >>> minister, Thomas Robertson Hospital Master, John Caw elder, Walter Miller >>> elder, David MacLaren elder, D Robertson Elder, William Rutherford Elder, >>> Charles Gregor elder, Robert Fisher witness, James Graham witness. Robert >>> Fisher witness, James Graham witness (i.e. their names recorded twice) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> p.431 >>> >>> >>> Charter of Confirmation The Hospital of Perth in favour of Misses Thomson >>> >>> 1828 >>> >>> >>> >>> The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the City of >>> Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned >>> >>> Robert Clink, merchant in Perth, master of King James VI's Hospital in Perth >>> >>> Rev. John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. James Esdaile, Minister of the East Church of Perth >>> >>> Rev. Samuel George Kennedy, Minister of the West Church of Perth >>> >>> Elders of the said Parishes of Perth >>> >>> >>> >>> In favour of Mary Thomson, Margaret Thomson and Isobel Thomson, all residing >>> at Bridgend of Perth, lawful daughters of the deceased George Thomson, late >>> Clerk in the Custom House of Perth, a disposition dated 21 NOV 1823 made and >>> granted by Henry Lindsay, merchant in Perth, trustee of the sequestrated >>> estate of the Perth Foundry Company, and of Charles Archer, William Gray and >>> John Archer, the individual partners of that company, nominated& confirmed >>> by the Lords of Council and Session on 18 APR 1820, and duly infeft in the >>> property to be mentioned by virtue of a Disposition in his favour granted by >>> the bankrupts for behoof of the creditors at large. Instrument of Sasine was >>> recorded in his favour dated 31 AUG 1821, and recorded in the Particular >>> Register of Sasines for the County of Perth 11 SEP 1821, with the consent >>> and concurrence of Laurence Robertson Esquire, agent at Perth, for the >>> British Linen Company and James Ritchie, farmer at Easter Rhynd, >>> commissioners appointed by the Creditors for assisting the Trustee in the >>> management of the sequestrated estate in terms of the Bankrupt Act. Henry >>> Lindsay then sold the property to Patrick Wallace coachmaker in Perth. >>> >>> >>> >>> The property is the south part of the square of ground in the Lands of >>> Blackfriars, including the buildings thereon (the new Smithy excepted), >>> bounded on the east by Kinnoull Street; the south by Union Lane; the west by >>> Stormont Street; and the north by a line nine inches distant from the back >>> wall of Mr. Wallace's workshops. Also the stance fronting Atholl Street, >>> immediately to the west of that lot, sold by Henry Lindsay to David >>> Mitchell, bounded east by the said stance sold to David Mitchell; to the >>> south by a line nine inches distant from the North wall of Mr. Wallace's >>> workshops; to the west by the other two lots fronting Atholl Street >>> belonging to the Perth Foundry Company; and by the stance on Atholl Street >>> containing the new Smithy building. Along with all rights etc formerly held >>> by the Perth Foundry Company, its partners, and Henry Lindsay. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also an Instrument of Sasine in favour of Patrick Wallace, under the hands >>> of Harry MacLeod, public notary, dated 21 NOV 1823, which was registered in >>> the New Particular Register of Sasines, Reversions,&c on 15 JAN 1824. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also Disposition dated 20& 21 JUN 1828 made and granted by Henry Lindsay as >>> trustee, with the consent of James Ritchie, William Dickson merchant in >>> Perth, and Patrick Gilbert Stewart agent at Perth for the bank of Scotland, >>> in favour of Patrick Wallace, whereby he sold these three stances of ground >>> to David Mitchell, who afterwards declared the property to have been >>> purchased on behalf of Patrick Wallace, all situated in Blackfriars of >>> Perth, and fronting Atholl Street on the north; Kinnoull Street on the east; >>> partly by the remaining property of the said Patrick Wallace, and partly by >>> the property sold by Wallace to Richard Deighton, stabler, on the south; and >>> by Stormont Street on the west, along with all buildings etc thereon, and >>> all rights etc formerly held by the Perth Foundry Company, its partners, and >>> Henry Lindsay. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also an Instrument of Sasine in favour of Patrick Wallace under the hands of >>> William Wedderspoon dated 17 JUL 1828 and recorded in the New Particular >>> Register of Sasines for Perthshire 21 JUL 1828. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, a Bond& Disposition under reversion, dated 11 JUL 1828, made and >>> granted by Wallace for the sale of all of the aforementioned properties to >>> Mary Thomson, Margaret Thomson and Isobel Thomson. Also an Instrument of >>> Sasine in their favour dated 17 JUL 1828 and recorded in the New Particular >>> Register 22 JUL 1828. The total feu duty is a proportional part of ?26 >>> Sterling for those lots of Blackfriars, as noted in a feu charter dated 24 >>> MAR 1802 by James Paton Esquire of Glenalmond and Colonel James Sharp of >>> Kincarrochty in favour of the Perth Foundry Company, to be paid annually at >>> Whitsunday, and doubling at Whitsunday 1832 for that year alone, and then >>> every 19th year thereafter. However, the women can claim back some of this >>> feu duty from the other proprietors who may be liable. >>> >>> >>> >>> The three women must also abide by the stipulations recorded in a deed >>> entitled "Terms and Conditions under which the Lands of Blackfriars of >>> Perth on both sides of the street called Methven Street are to be feued out" >>> as subscribed by Thomas Anderson of Blackfriars, and registered in the >>> Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire 17 OCT 1794. >>> >>> >>> >>> Consent is given for this to be recorded in the Books of Council and >>> Session. >>> >>> >>> >>> (No witnesses are listed). >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> p.446 >>> >>> >>> >>> Charter of Resignation The Hospital of Perth in favour of M.& M. E. >>> Macdougall >>> >>> >>> >>> The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the City of >>> Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned >>> >>> Robert Clink, merchant in Perth, master of King James VI's Hospital in Perth >>> >>> Rev. John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. James Esdaile, Minister of the East Church of Perth >>> >>> Rev. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. Samuel George Kennedy, Minister of the West Church of Perth >>> >>> Elders of the said Parishes of Perth >>> >>> >>> >>> In favour of Misses Margaret and Mary Eavine Macdougall lately residing in >>> Perth, now residing at Ballachan in the parish of ____ and county of Argyle >>> equally between them. >>> >>> >>> >>> First, the area in the lands of Blackfriars of Perth, lying north of the >>> Turnpike road from Perth to Dunkeld and Creiff, 25 feet in breadth, and >>> extending westwards from the tenement on Lot 1 of the south division of Rose >>> Terrace, built by Thomas Hay Marshall Esquire, to a lane thirty feet in >>> breadth, bounded by Marshall's tenement to the east; by the Turnpike road to >>> the south; by the street mentioned to the west; and by grounds sometime ago >>> feued to Thomas Hay Marshall, on the north. >>> >>> >>> >>> Also, the portion of the lands of Blackfriars north of the Turnpike Road >>> extending to nine acres of land, bounded by the area above mentioned and the >>> grounds feued out by Thomas Anderson late merchant in Perth to Thomas Hay >>> Marshall, conform to a charter in his favour dated 22 MAY 1795, and partly >>> by the Mill Lead running along the west side of North Inch of Perth on the >>> east; by the lands of Balhousie, belonging to the Earl of Kinnoul on the >>> north, and the foresaid Turnpike Road on both the west and the south. >>> >>> >>> >>> Thirdly, a portion of the lands of Blackfriars lying on the south side of >>> the Turnpike Road. >>> >>> >>> >>> And fourthly, the whole ridge of land, sometime ago feued by Thomas Anderson >>> from the Community of the Burgh of Perth, lying on the southside of the last >>> mentioned portions of the lands of Blackfriars, immediately beneath the Mill >>> Lead or aqueduct of the Town Mills extending in whole the portion of the >>> lands of Blackfriars, and the previously mentioned ridge of land, to five >>> acres of ground, bounded by Methven Street and Lots 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 as >>> shown on a plan subscribed by Thomas Anderson on 17 OCT 1794 on the west, >>> partly by a street 30 feet wide to be opened from Methven Street eastwards >>> through the lands of Blackfriars, as shown on the plan, and partly by the >>> Mill Lead, also known as the King's Lead, on the south. partly by Andrew >>> Robertson's tan works, and partly by the road on the west side of Mr. >>> Miller's >>> Garden, and the west end of the Crescent from the Castle Gable towards the >>> Turnpike Road on the east, and the said Turnpike road on the north parts. >>> But excluding the portion of land before mentioned on which the public >>> seminaries of the City of Perth are erected, and the ground in front, >>> between it and the Balhousie branch of the Town Mill Lead or aqueduct >>> bounded by the street called Printing House Lane, now Barossa Street on the >>> west; the property of David Mason, sometime Lord Provost of Perth on the >>> north; the property of Captain James Ross and others on the south; and the >>> said Balhousie branch of the Mill Lead on the east. This last piece of >>> ground mentioned was bound by James Hay Marshall to be made over to the >>> Community of Perth, as described in a minute of the Town Council of Perth >>> dated 4 JAN 1802, along with its feu duties and casualties etc, and >>> privileges of ish and entry etc, as described in a feu charter dated 2 and >>> 11 NOV 1799 in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall granted by the Trustees& >>> Commissioners of the sequestrated estate of Thomas Anderson. >>> >>> >>> >>> The lands above disponed are under the express burden of ?153 Sterling due >>> to James Paton Esquire of Glenalmond, being the portion of the purchase >>> money still to be paid, and interest from 12 JUN 1829, which is to be >>> engrossed in the infeftment to follow, and in all future transmissions until >>> payment is complete. The lands formerly pertained heritably to James Paton >>> Esquire of Glenalmond, held under the Hospital and the Poor etc, and >>> resigned by him and general disponee and heir of provision served and >>> retoured to the said deceased Thomas Hay Marshall, by virtue of a >>> Procuratory of Resignation contained in a Disposition dated 12 JUN 1829 >>> granted by Paton. A new infeftment was then granted in favour of Misses >>> Margaret and Mary Eavine McDougall equally between them and their heirs and >>> assignees. >>> >>> >>> >>> Feu duties, payable annually at Martinmas: for the first Lot, ?1 Sterling. >>> For the second lot (nine acres) ?45 Sterling; for the third and fourth, ?25 >>> Sterling - total therefore of ?71 Sterling, doubling at Martinmas 1836 for >>> that year, and for every 19th year thereafter, for those years only. >>> >>> >>> >>> All in accordance with the feu charter in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall >>> dated 2 and 11 NOV 1799 and Instrument of Sasine following dated 23 APR >>> 1800, and recorded at Perth 26 APR 1800, and also to the terms specified in >>> the writing of Thomas Anderson Esquire dated 17 OCT 1794 and recorded in the >>> Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire on the same day. And with the real burden >>> of ?153 payable to James Paton Esquire. The two women are now infeft and >>> Precept of Sasine is now given. >>> >>> >>> >>> (No witness recorded) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> p.549 >>> >>> >>> >>> Charter of Resignation The Hospital of Perth in favour of Peter Brown >>> Esquire >>> >>> >>> >>> The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the City of >>> Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned >>> >>> Robert Clink, merchant in Perth, master of King James VI's Hospital in Perth >>> >>> Rev. John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth >>> >>> Rev. James Esdaile, Minister of the East Church of Perth >>> >>> Rev. Samuel George Kennedy, Minister of the West Church of Perth >>> >>> Elders of the said Parishes of Perth >>> >>> >>> >>> On 22 MAY 1795, Thomas Anderson Esquire, then of Blackfriars, sold Lots 1, 2 >>> and 3 of the South Division of Rose Terrace to Thomas Hay Marshall, who held >>> it under Anderson in feu. Considering Thomas Anderson having become >>> embarrassed, his estates, real and personal, were sequestrated by the Lords >>> of Council& Session, and the lands belonging to him having been sold, the >>> managers of the Hospital acquired them and the right to superiority on them, >>> conform to a Disposition dated 2 NOV 1799 granted in their favour by William >>> Marshall, agent for the bank of Scotland in Perth, trustee on the >>> sequestrated estate, which was recorded in the Burgh Court Book of Perth on >>> 27 MAY 1800. Despite the prohibition on subinfeudating the lots further, >>> Thomas Hay Marshall then sold the Lots, as noted in the feu charter of 28 >>> OCT 1805, to be held of himself, to Robert Morrison printer in Perth, for >>> payment of feu duty of 30s Sterling, payable annually at Whitsunday, and >>> doubling at Whitsunday 1832 and every 19th year thereafter, for those years >>> only. On 4 JUL 1814 Robert Morrison sold the Lots to John Scott, teacher in >>> Perth, whose son John Scott, printer, then conveyed the property to peter >>> Brown Esquire, conform to the Disposition after mentioned. >>> >>> >>> >>> James Patton Esquire of Glenalmond acquired the right of superiority from >>> Thomas Hay Marshall, and then conveyed the right to Misses Margaret and Mary >>> Eavine McDougall, lately residing in Perth, but now in at Ballachuan in the >>> parish of Kilbrandon in Argyleshire, conform to a Disposition in their >>> favour dated 8 JUL 1830, and they then conveyed the right of superiority to >>> the Hospital in 1831. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Brown has now paid the Hospital ?21 as the adequate and agreed on >>> price and value of an annual payment of 20s being part of the feu duty of >>> 30s per year payable, leaving him now to pay 10s per year in feu duty. The >>> Hospital also now dispones in his favour the piece of ground on the east of >>> Barossa Street or Printing House Lane in Blackfriars of Perth along with the >>> house erected on it which was formerly a printing house, and now converted >>> into a schoolroom, dwelling house and others consisting of 44 feet in length >>> from north to south, erected principally on the back ground belonging to Lot >>> 3 of Rose Terrace and partly on the back ground of Lot 2, and bounded by >>> printing House Lane or Barossa Street on the west; by part of the back >>> ground of Lot 2 on the south; partly by the remaining back ground of Lot 3, >>> and partly by a small house erected by Dr. james McFarlane on the back >>> ground of Lot 2 on the East; and by the back ground of Lot 4 on the north. >>> Free ish and entry is granted on the aforesaid lane or street and through no >>> other way. The proprietors of Lot 3 have access through a four feet wide >>> entry from the foresaid lane through th subjects disponed, the height of the >>> ground story of the aforesaid Printing house. And Peter Brown must place >>> iron bars in the window of the ground story, if not already done, to guard >>> against intrusion from the Printing house into the back ground, and conform >>> to the agreement whereby the heirs and assignees of Thomas Hay Marshall were >>> bound by a charter granted in favour of Robert Morrison not to erect any >>> building within 15 feet of the Printing House, in order to protect the >>> access of light into the building. >>> >>> >>> >>> Peter Brown is prevented from subinfeudating the property further. he must >>> also pave the area five feet wide outside his property on Barossa Street, >>> and to causeway to the middle of the street the length of his property, and >>> to keep it in good repair. In future documents, he is to include the >>> reddendo aftermentioned, and all conditions and provisions already stated, >>> failure to do so meaning his contract with the Hospital will be null and >>> void, along with all rights enjoyed by the Hospital to the ground, formerly >>> held by John Scott as vassal or proprietor under James Paton, his heirs and >>> successors as immediate lawful superiors of Scott, to which superiority the >>> Hospital acquired the right as previously described. John Scott's >>> Procuratory of Resignation in favour of Peter Brown is dated 17 NOV 1830, >>> with consent of Robert Robertson, merchant in Perth, trustee for the >>> creditors conform to Trust Disposition executed by the said John Scott in >>> his favour in 1830, and given in to Robert Clink at the Hospital. Peter >>> Brown is now made infeft. >>> >>> >>> >>> The feu duty payable is 10s annually at Whitsunday, and doubling at >>> Whitsunday 1832 and each 19th year thereafter, for those years only. Precept >>> of Sasine is duly given. >>> >>> >>> >>> (No witness listed) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I should add that I am not connected to this line of Patons - at least not >>> yet! >>> >>> >>> >>> Hope it helps! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Chris Paton >>> >>> >>> >>> www.ScotlandsGreatestStory.co.uk >>> Scotland's Greatest Story >>> www.ScottishAncestry.blogspot.com >>> Scottish Genealogy News and Events >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> >>> From: "Mike"<casofilia@xtra.co.nz> >>> To:<PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:57 PM >>> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] MURRAY >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Hello from New Zealand >>>> >>>> In the will of William PATTON of Fossoway in 1845 there is a reference to >>>> a James MURRAY Esquire of Glenalmond. I am assuming that this is the >>>> Glenalmond Estate in Perthshire!! >>>> >>>> I wondered if anyone is able to help me with any information about the >>>> name James MURRAY and if there is a connection to the PATTON name. >>>> >>>> Also any information about Glenalmond. >>>> >>>> I am hoping for a marriage of the two names in the early 1800s. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> To contact the PERTHSHIRE list administrator, send an email to >>> PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> To post a message to the PERTHSHIRE mailing list, send an email to >>> PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com. >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of >>> the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >>> >>> End of PERTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23 >>> ***************************************** >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Fossoway was where the Jacobite "White Cockade" came from. Half of Perthshire, including Glen Almond, was owned by the Murrays of Ochteryre, Abercairney and Atholl! It still is! Do not know of any connection between the Murrays and the Pattons. Peter On 18/02/2010 2:32 PM, perthshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. MURRAY (Mike) > 2. Re: MURRAY (Chris Paton) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 06:57:43 +1300 > From: "Mike"<casofilia@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] MURRAY > To:<PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<51CFEBC98E064263884CD7EF78FB3F9A@casofilia> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello from New Zealand > > In the will of William PATTON of Fossoway in 1845 there is a reference to a James MURRAY Esquire of Glenalmond. I am assuming that this is the Glenalmond Estate in Perthshire!! > > I wondered if anyone is able to help me with any information about the name James MURRAY and if there is a connection to the PATTON name. > > Also any information about Glenalmond. > > I am hoping for a marriage of the two names in the early 1800s. > > Thank you > > Mike > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:31:20 -0000 > From: "Chris Paton"<christopherpaton@tiscali.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] MURRAY > To:<perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<3E1AE01613014B00B78FB31F741F45D8@defaultd550205> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi there, > > See > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/PERTHSHIRE/2000-12/0975684489 > - you'll find some connections between the Murrays and the Patons there. > > I have copies of summaries I made from charters which I examined from the > privately held King James VI chartularies when doing a university course a > couple of years back. They concern property transactions in Perth, and James > Murray Paton or Patton, the Sheriff Clerk of Perth, who was from Cairnies, > Glenalmond: > (Portraits of James are held in Perth - see > http://www.pkc.gov.uk/Education+and+learning/Museums+and+galleries/Perth+Museum+and+Art+Gallery/Collections/Art+Collections/PORTRAITS+-+A+checklist+of+portraits+in+Perth+Museum+and+Art+Gallery+Art+Collection.htm) > > The first feu charter, from King James VI Hopsital Chartulary 1759-1802 > merely has James Paton as a witness: > > > p.200 > > > > Feu Charter Thomas Anderson Esqr in favour of James Roy 1794 > > (No. 2 North Methven Street Lot 2) > > > > Thomas Anderson, heritable proprietor > > > > Having been paid ?50 Sterling by Mr James Roy at Miln of Dupplin, I hereby > sell, alienate and dispone in favour of him all and whole the piece of land > that piece or area of ground consisting of 40 feet in front and 100 feet > back from the line of the front measuring ___ square yards and ___ feet of > the lands of Blackfriars in Perthshire being No. 2 of the lots of ground of > the lands of Blackfriars on the east side of the street leading through the > same from the High gate Port of Perth called Methven Street, as the said lot > has already been staked out and delineated on a plan by me on the date > hereof referred to, and bounded by Methven Street on the west; by the ground > shown as Lot 1 on the plan on the east side of the said street on the south; > by Lot 3 on the east side of the said street on the north; and by other > parts of the lands of Blackfriars belonging to me on the east; together with > any rights I may have had. > > > > I bind and oblige me heirs etc to infeft James Roy under me, for an annual > payment of feu duty at Whitsunday of ?1 10s Sterling, doubling at Whitsunday > 1813 and each 19th year after, for that year only. If he fails to pay > punctually, he shall be required to pay a half more of the feu duty and > duplication thereof of Liquidate Expense and all interest until payment is > met. Roy is forbidden to further feu the property out. Any further feudal > documents concerning the land must carry the previous reddendo or it will be > deemed void. All rents, maills and duties are hereby transferred to Roy and > he is infeft as of Whitsunday 1794. > > > > Roy must abide by all conditions drawn up in a deed entitled "Terms and > Conditions under which the Grounds of Blackfriars on both sides of the > street called Methven Street are to be feued out" subscribed by me and > recorded in the Sheriff Court Book of Perthshire on 17 OCT 1794, under which > this charter is granted. I consent to the registration of this feu in the > Books of Council and Session. Precept of Sasine is given to my baillies etc. > > > > Recorded by William MacRobie, clerk to Walter Miller, writer in Perth, on > stamped parchment, and subscribed by me at Perth 17 OCT 1794 before these > witnesses: > > > > James Paton, Sheriff Clerk of Perthshire > > William MacRobie, writer in Perth > > > > Signed > > Thomas Anderson, James Paton witness, William MacRobie witness > > > > The rest are from King James VI Hospital Chartulary 1805-1831 > > p.125 > > > > Charter of Confirmation The Hospital of Perth in favour of James Paton Esqr > of the Lands of Blackfriars > > 1809 > > > > The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the Burgh of > Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned > > Thomas Robertson, glover in Perth, master of the hospital > > Rev. Mr. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. Mr. Andrew Thomson Minister of the East Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. Mr John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth > > Mr. Daniel MacKenzie Minister of the West Church Parish of Perth > > Elders of the said Parishes of Perth > > > > In favour of James Paton Esqr of Cairnies and his heirs etc, confirmation of > the charters of Feu and Disposition dated the 2 and 11 NOV 1799 made and > granted by William Marshall agent for the Bank of Scotland.at Perth, trustee > chosen by the Lords of Council and Session upon the sequestrated estate of > Thomas Anderson merchant in Perth and late proprietor of the lands of > Blackfriars conform to decreet of adjudication in his favour dated 6 JUN > 1798 and recorded in register of Abbreviates in Edinburgh 12 JUN 1798, in > favour Thomas Hay Marshall. William Marshall sold and disponed the land to > Thomas Hay Marshall north of the Turnpike Road from Perth to Dunkeld and > Crieff consisting of 20 feet in breadth and extending westwards from the > large tenement house erected by Thomas Hay Marshall on Lot 1 of the south > division of Rose Terrace, to a lane of 30 feet in breadth bounded on the > east, by the said Turnpike Road to the south, and by grounds feued to Thomas > Hay Marshall in the north. Also land to the north of the Turnpike Road > extending to nine acres of ground bounded by the above area as feued by > Thomas Anderson to Thomas Hay Marshall as noted in a charter dated 22 MAY > 1795, the mill lead running along the west of the North Inch of Perth, on > the east by the lands of Balhousie belonging to the Earl of Kinnoull, and > the north by the Turnpike Road. Also, other land of Blackfriars not > previously feued out south of the Turnpike Road; and also part of the ridge > of land feued from the Community of the Burgh of Perth lying on the south of > the last mentioned area of Blackfriars, and immediately beneath the mill > lead or aqueduct of the Towns Mills, extending the portion of the land of > Blackfriars to five acres, bounded partly by Methven Street and partly by > lots 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 shown on the plan subscribed by Thomas Anderson on 17 > OCT 1794 on the west, partly by a street 30 feet to be opened from Methven > Street eastward through the lands of Blackfriars (shown on he plan), partly > by the mill lead, also known as the King's Lead, and on the south by Andrew > Robertson& Company Tan Works and partly by the road running along the > garden wall of Mrs Millars Garden and the west end of the Crescent from the > Castle Gable towards the Turnpike Road on the east and the Turnpike road on > the north. Privilieges of ish and entry etc, and the conditions etc as > previously recorded in the feu charter and sasine in favour of Thomas Hay > Marshall granted 23 APR 1800, registered in the particular register of > sasines 22 JAN 1802 and sold 25 JAN 1802 by Thomas Hay Marshall to James > Sharp of Kincarrochy and James Paton, the Sheriff Clerk of Perthshire, as > registered in the Particular Register of Sasines 10 MAR 1802. On 29 and 30 > OCT 1802 Colonel James Sharp and James Paton sold the land back to Thomas > Hay Marshall as recorded in a Right and Disposition of that date, which was > recorded in the Particular Register of Sasines on 3 NOV 1802. The 7 APR > 1808, Right and Disposition and Assignation, registered in Sheriff Court > Books of Perthshire 20 JUL 1808 granted by Thomas Hay Marshall of Kenalmond > in favour of James Paton esq of Cairnies, and his heirs etc. Instrument of > Sasine in favour of James Paton dated 5 JAN 1808, recorded in the register > on 4 FEB 1809. > > > > Feu duties: > > For the lot on Rose Terrace, ?1 Sterling. > > For the lands of Blackfriars north of the Turnpike Road (land of 9 acres), > ?45 Sterling. > > For the land south of the Turnpike Road, ?25 Sterling. > > > > Total ?71 Sterling, to be paid annually at Martinmas, and doubling Martinmas > 1817 for one year only, and then every 19 years thereafter. Usual one half > more punishment of failure to pay etc. Must obey rules of the deed entitled > "Terms and Conditions under which the grounds of Blackfriars on both sides > of the Street called Methven Street are to be fewed out&c". > > > > Written on this and two pages preceding of stamped vellum by James Halket, > clerk to Walter Miller writer, subscribed by Thomas Robertson Hospital > Master and the ministers and Elders of Perth, except Mr William Aird Thomson > at the Hospital House of Perth 14 FEB 1809 witnesses Robert Fisher and James > Graham weavers in Perth. And by William Aird Thomson 24 FEB 1809, witnesses > Robert Fisher and James Graham weavers in Perth (Signed) > > John Findlay Minister, Andrew Thomson minr, Daniel MacKenzie minister, Wm > Aird Thomson minr, Thomas Robertson Hospital Master, John Caw elder, Walter > Miller elder, David McLaren elder, D Robertson Elder, William Rutherford > Elder, Chas Grey elder, Robert Fisher witness, James Graham witness. Robert > Fisher witness, James Graham witness (i.e. their names recorded twice) > > > > > > p.132 > > > > Charter of Confirmation The Hospital of Perth in favour of James Paton Esqr > of the first three Lotts of the South Division of Rose Terrace > > Dated 14& 24 FEB 1809 > > > > The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the Burgh of > Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned > > Thomas Robertson, glover in Perth, master of the hospital > > Rev. Mr. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. Mr. Andrew Thomson Minister of the East Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. Mr John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth > > Mr. Daniel MacKenzie Minister of the West Church Parish of Perth > > Elders of the said Parishes of Perth > > > > In favour of James Paton Esqr of Cairneys, confirming the right and charter > of subfeu and disposition of 22 MAY 1795 granted by Thomas Anderson of > Blackfriars of Perth, now deceased in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall Merchant > in Perth also deceased, where Anderson sold to Marshall lots 1, 2 and 3 of > the south division of Rose Terrace of Blackfriars, upon each of which he had > erected a house. The lots were bounded by the Turnpike Road from Perth to > Crieff and Dunkeld on the south; by a lane on the west; the Milnlead running > from Balhousie to the Town of Perth on the east; and lot 4 on the south > division of Rose Terrace. The gable walls of the three houses on the lots > marks the boundaries of each from the other, and from lot 4. The exception > to this was twenty feet of the back ground of lot one facing the turnpike > road onto which plans were made to erect a tenement, as recorded 26 MAY in > an instrument of sasine, and on 30 MAY in the Register. The property was > granted on 7 APR 1808 in the Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire by Thomas Hay > Marshall of Glenalmond to James Paton - Marshall had acquired them from > Thomas Anderson and William Marshall agent of the Bank of Scotland in Perth, > trustee of Anderson's sequestrated estate. > > > > Instrument of Sasine in favour of James Paton dated 5 JAN 1808 and in the > Register 14 JAN 1808. Feu duty ?4 Sterling annually at Whistunday per lot, > therefore ?12 annually, doubling Whitsunday 1813 and each 19th year > thereafter. But as confirmed in the charter to Thomas Hay Marshall, Paton > can reduce the annual feu duty to ?1 per property if he wishes to pay ?60 > per lot to the Hospital manager for the poor, after which the benefit of > this would be further confirmed in a charter drawn up by the Hospital, but > at Paton's expense. The land is not to be further subfeued, and Paton is to > abide by the rules of "Terms and Conditions under which the parts of the > grounds of Blackfriars of Perth which lye on the Northside of the Turnpike > Road from Perth to Crieff and Dunkeld and Immediately West of the Milnlead > leading from Balhousie to Perth& which are to be denominated the South > division of Rose Terrace are to be Fewed out" as subscribed by Thomas > Anderson and recorded in the Sheriff Court Books etc 22 MAY 1795. > > > > Recorded on this and two preceding pages of one skin of stamped vellum by > David Miller, clerk to Walter Miller writer in Perth and subscribed by > Thomas Robertson, hospital manager ministers and elders except William Aird > Thomson at the Hospital House of Perth 14 FEB 1809 before witnesses Robert > Fisher and James Graham both weavers in Perth, and by William Aird Thomson > at Perth 24 FEB 1809 before Robert Fisher and James Graham > > (signed) John Findlay Minister, Andrew Thomson minr, Daniel MacKenzie > minister, Thomas Robertson Hospital Master, John Caw elder, Walter Miller > elder, David MacLaren elder, D Robertson Elder, William Rutherford Elder, > Charles Gregor elder, Robert Fisher witness, James Graham witness. Robert > Fisher witness, James Graham witness (i.e. their names recorded twice) > > > > > > p.431 > > > Charter of Confirmation The Hospital of Perth in favour of Misses Thomson > > 1828 > > > > The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the City of > Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned > > Robert Clink, merchant in Perth, master of King James VI's Hospital in Perth > > Rev. John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. James Esdaile, Minister of the East Church of Perth > > Rev. Samuel George Kennedy, Minister of the West Church of Perth > > Elders of the said Parishes of Perth > > > > In favour of Mary Thomson, Margaret Thomson and Isobel Thomson, all residing > at Bridgend of Perth, lawful daughters of the deceased George Thomson, late > Clerk in the Custom House of Perth, a disposition dated 21 NOV 1823 made and > granted by Henry Lindsay, merchant in Perth, trustee of the sequestrated > estate of the Perth Foundry Company, and of Charles Archer, William Gray and > John Archer, the individual partners of that company, nominated& confirmed > by the Lords of Council and Session on 18 APR 1820, and duly infeft in the > property to be mentioned by virtue of a Disposition in his favour granted by > the bankrupts for behoof of the creditors at large. Instrument of Sasine was > recorded in his favour dated 31 AUG 1821, and recorded in the Particular > Register of Sasines for the County of Perth 11 SEP 1821, with the consent > and concurrence of Laurence Robertson Esquire, agent at Perth, for the > British Linen Company and James Ritchie, farmer at Easter Rhynd, > commissioners appointed by the Creditors for assisting the Trustee in the > management of the sequestrated estate in terms of the Bankrupt Act. Henry > Lindsay then sold the property to Patrick Wallace coachmaker in Perth. > > > > The property is the south part of the square of ground in the Lands of > Blackfriars, including the buildings thereon (the new Smithy excepted), > bounded on the east by Kinnoull Street; the south by Union Lane; the west by > Stormont Street; and the north by a line nine inches distant from the back > wall of Mr. Wallace's workshops. Also the stance fronting Atholl Street, > immediately to the west of that lot, sold by Henry Lindsay to David > Mitchell, bounded east by the said stance sold to David Mitchell; to the > south by a line nine inches distant from the North wall of Mr. Wallace's > workshops; to the west by the other two lots fronting Atholl Street > belonging to the Perth Foundry Company; and by the stance on Atholl Street > containing the new Smithy building. Along with all rights etc formerly held > by the Perth Foundry Company, its partners, and Henry Lindsay. > > > > Also an Instrument of Sasine in favour of Patrick Wallace, under the hands > of Harry MacLeod, public notary, dated 21 NOV 1823, which was registered in > the New Particular Register of Sasines, Reversions,&c on 15 JAN 1824. > > > > Also Disposition dated 20& 21 JUN 1828 made and granted by Henry Lindsay as > trustee, with the consent of James Ritchie, William Dickson merchant in > Perth, and Patrick Gilbert Stewart agent at Perth for the bank of Scotland, > in favour of Patrick Wallace, whereby he sold these three stances of ground > to David Mitchell, who afterwards declared the property to have been > purchased on behalf of Patrick Wallace, all situated in Blackfriars of > Perth, and fronting Atholl Street on the north; Kinnoull Street on the east; > partly by the remaining property of the said Patrick Wallace, and partly by > the property sold by Wallace to Richard Deighton, stabler, on the south; and > by Stormont Street on the west, along with all buildings etc thereon, and > all rights etc formerly held by the Perth Foundry Company, its partners, and > Henry Lindsay. > > > > Also an Instrument of Sasine in favour of Patrick Wallace under the hands of > William Wedderspoon dated 17 JUL 1828 and recorded in the New Particular > Register of Sasines for Perthshire 21 JUL 1828. > > > > Also, a Bond& Disposition under reversion, dated 11 JUL 1828, made and > granted by Wallace for the sale of all of the aforementioned properties to > Mary Thomson, Margaret Thomson and Isobel Thomson. Also an Instrument of > Sasine in their favour dated 17 JUL 1828 and recorded in the New Particular > Register 22 JUL 1828. The total feu duty is a proportional part of ?26 > Sterling for those lots of Blackfriars, as noted in a feu charter dated 24 > MAR 1802 by James Paton Esquire of Glenalmond and Colonel James Sharp of > Kincarrochty in favour of the Perth Foundry Company, to be paid annually at > Whitsunday, and doubling at Whitsunday 1832 for that year alone, and then > every 19th year thereafter. However, the women can claim back some of this > feu duty from the other proprietors who may be liable. > > > > The three women must also abide by the stipulations recorded in a deed > entitled "Terms and Conditions under which the Lands of Blackfriars of > Perth on both sides of the street called Methven Street are to be feued out" > as subscribed by Thomas Anderson of Blackfriars, and registered in the > Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire 17 OCT 1794. > > > > Consent is given for this to be recorded in the Books of Council and > Session. > > > > (No witnesses are listed). > > > > > > > > p.446 > > > > Charter of Resignation The Hospital of Perth in favour of M.& M. E. > Macdougall > > > > The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the City of > Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned > > Robert Clink, merchant in Perth, master of King James VI's Hospital in Perth > > Rev. John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. James Esdaile, Minister of the East Church of Perth > > Rev. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. Samuel George Kennedy, Minister of the West Church of Perth > > Elders of the said Parishes of Perth > > > > In favour of Misses Margaret and Mary Eavine Macdougall lately residing in > Perth, now residing at Ballachan in the parish of ____ and county of Argyle > equally between them. > > > > First, the area in the lands of Blackfriars of Perth, lying north of the > Turnpike road from Perth to Dunkeld and Creiff, 25 feet in breadth, and > extending westwards from the tenement on Lot 1 of the south division of Rose > Terrace, built by Thomas Hay Marshall Esquire, to a lane thirty feet in > breadth, bounded by Marshall's tenement to the east; by the Turnpike road to > the south; by the street mentioned to the west; and by grounds sometime ago > feued to Thomas Hay Marshall, on the north. > > > > Also, the portion of the lands of Blackfriars north of the Turnpike Road > extending to nine acres of land, bounded by the area above mentioned and the > grounds feued out by Thomas Anderson late merchant in Perth to Thomas Hay > Marshall, conform to a charter in his favour dated 22 MAY 1795, and partly > by the Mill Lead running along the west side of North Inch of Perth on the > east; by the lands of Balhousie, belonging to the Earl of Kinnoul on the > north, and the foresaid Turnpike Road on both the west and the south. > > > > Thirdly, a portion of the lands of Blackfriars lying on the south side of > the Turnpike Road. > > > > And fourthly, the whole ridge of land, sometime ago feued by Thomas Anderson > from the Community of the Burgh of Perth, lying on the southside of the last > mentioned portions of the lands of Blackfriars, immediately beneath the Mill > Lead or aqueduct of the Town Mills extending in whole the portion of the > lands of Blackfriars, and the previously mentioned ridge of land, to five > acres of ground, bounded by Methven Street and Lots 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 as > shown on a plan subscribed by Thomas Anderson on 17 OCT 1794 on the west, > partly by a street 30 feet wide to be opened from Methven Street eastwards > through the lands of Blackfriars, as shown on the plan, and partly by the > Mill Lead, also known as the King's Lead, on the south. partly by Andrew > Robertson's tan works, and partly by the road on the west side of Mr. Miller's > Garden, and the west end of the Crescent from the Castle Gable towards the > Turnpike Road on the east, and the said Turnpike road on the north parts. > But excluding the portion of land before mentioned on which the public > seminaries of the City of Perth are erected, and the ground in front, > between it and the Balhousie branch of the Town Mill Lead or aqueduct > bounded by the street called Printing House Lane, now Barossa Street on the > west; the property of David Mason, sometime Lord Provost of Perth on the > north; the property of Captain James Ross and others on the south; and the > said Balhousie branch of the Mill Lead on the east. This last piece of > ground mentioned was bound by James Hay Marshall to be made over to the > Community of Perth, as described in a minute of the Town Council of Perth > dated 4 JAN 1802, along with its feu duties and casualties etc, and > privileges of ish and entry etc, as described in a feu charter dated 2 and > 11 NOV 1799 in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall granted by the Trustees& > Commissioners of the sequestrated estate of Thomas Anderson. > > > > The lands above disponed are under the express burden of ?153 Sterling due > to James Paton Esquire of Glenalmond, being the portion of the purchase > money still to be paid, and interest from 12 JUN 1829, which is to be > engrossed in the infeftment to follow, and in all future transmissions until > payment is complete. The lands formerly pertained heritably to James Paton > Esquire of Glenalmond, held under the Hospital and the Poor etc, and > resigned by him and general disponee and heir of provision served and > retoured to the said deceased Thomas Hay Marshall, by virtue of a > Procuratory of Resignation contained in a Disposition dated 12 JUN 1829 > granted by Paton. A new infeftment was then granted in favour of Misses > Margaret and Mary Eavine McDougall equally between them and their heirs and > assignees. > > > > Feu duties, payable annually at Martinmas: for the first Lot, ?1 Sterling. > For the second lot (nine acres) ?45 Sterling; for the third and fourth, ?25 > Sterling - total therefore of ?71 Sterling, doubling at Martinmas 1836 for > that year, and for every 19th year thereafter, for those years only. > > > > All in accordance with the feu charter in favour of Thomas Hay Marshall > dated 2 and 11 NOV 1799 and Instrument of Sasine following dated 23 APR > 1800, and recorded at Perth 26 APR 1800, and also to the terms specified in > the writing of Thomas Anderson Esquire dated 17 OCT 1794 and recorded in the > Sheriff Court Books of Perthshire on the same day. And with the real burden > of ?153 payable to James Paton Esquire. The two women are now infeft and > Precept of Sasine is now given. > > > > (No witness recorded) > > > > > > p.549 > > > > Charter of Resignation The Hospital of Perth in favour of Peter Brown > Esquire > > > > The Poor and Indigent Members of Jesus Christ Residing within the City of > Perth Heritable Proprietors of the Subjects aftermentioned > > Robert Clink, merchant in Perth, master of King James VI's Hospital in Perth > > Rev. John Findlay Minister of Saint Paul's Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. William Aird Thomson Minister of the Middle Church Parish of Perth > > Rev. James Esdaile, Minister of the East Church of Perth > > Rev. Samuel George Kennedy, Minister of the West Church of Perth > > Elders of the said Parishes of Perth > > > > On 22 MAY 1795, Thomas Anderson Esquire, then of Blackfriars, sold Lots 1, 2 > and 3 of the South Division of Rose Terrace to Thomas Hay Marshall, who held > it under Anderson in feu. Considering Thomas Anderson having become > embarrassed, his estates, real and personal, were sequestrated by the Lords > of Council& Session, and the lands belonging to him having been sold, the > managers of the Hospital acquired them and the right to superiority on them, > conform to a Disposition dated 2 NOV 1799 granted in their favour by William > Marshall, agent for the bank of Scotland in Perth, trustee on the > sequestrated estate, which was recorded in the Burgh Court Book of Perth on > 27 MAY 1800. Despite the prohibition on subinfeudating the lots further, > Thomas Hay Marshall then sold the Lots, as noted in the feu charter of 28 > OCT 1805, to be held of himself, to Robert Morrison printer in Perth, for > payment of feu duty of 30s Sterling, payable annually at Whitsunday, and > doubling at Whitsunday 1832 and every 19th year thereafter, for those years > only. On 4 JUL 1814 Robert Morrison sold the Lots to John Scott, teacher in > Perth, whose son John Scott, printer, then conveyed the property to peter > Brown Esquire, conform to the Disposition after mentioned. > > > > James Patton Esquire of Glenalmond acquired the right of superiority from > Thomas Hay Marshall, and then conveyed the right to Misses Margaret and Mary > Eavine McDougall, lately residing in Perth, but now in at Ballachuan in the > parish of Kilbrandon in Argyleshire, conform to a Disposition in their > favour dated 8 JUL 1830, and they then conveyed the right of superiority to > the Hospital in 1831. > > > > Peter Brown has now paid the Hospital ?21 as the adequate and agreed on > price and value of an annual payment of 20s being part of the feu duty of > 30s per year payable, leaving him now to pay 10s per year in feu duty. The > Hospital also now dispones in his favour the piece of ground on the east of > Barossa Street or Printing House Lane in Blackfriars of Perth along with the > house erected on it which was formerly a printing house, and now converted > into a schoolroom, dwelling house and others consisting of 44 feet in length > from north to south, erected principally on the back ground belonging to Lot > 3 of Rose Terrace and partly on the back ground of Lot 2, and bounded by > printing House Lane or Barossa Street on the west; by part of the back > ground of Lot 2 on the south; partly by the remaining back ground of Lot 3, > and partly by a small house erected by Dr. james McFarlane on the back > ground of Lot 2 on the East; and by the back ground of Lot 4 on the north. > Free ish and entry is granted on the aforesaid lane or street and through no > other way. The proprietors of Lot 3 have access through a four feet wide > entry from the foresaid lane through th subjects disponed, the height of the > ground story of the aforesaid Printing house. And Peter Brown must place > iron bars in the window of the ground story, if not already done, to guard > against intrusion from the Printing house into the back ground, and conform > to the agreement whereby the heirs and assignees of Thomas Hay Marshall were > bound by a charter granted in favour of Robert Morrison not to erect any > building within 15 feet of the Printing House, in order to protect the > access of light into the building. > > > > Peter Brown is prevented from subinfeudating the property further. he must > also pave the area five feet wide outside his property on Barossa Street, > and to causeway to the middle of the street the length of his property, and > to keep it in good repair. In future documents, he is to include the > reddendo aftermentioned, and all conditions and provisions already stated, > failure to do so meaning his contract with the Hospital will be null and > void, along with all rights enjoyed by the Hospital to the ground, formerly > held by John Scott as vassal or proprietor under James Paton, his heirs and > successors as immediate lawful superiors of Scott, to which superiority the > Hospital acquired the right as previously described. John Scott's > Procuratory of Resignation in favour of Peter Brown is dated 17 NOV 1830, > with consent of Robert Robertson, merchant in Perth, trustee for the > creditors conform to Trust Disposition executed by the said John Scott in > his favour in 1830, and given in to Robert Clink at the Hospital. Peter > Brown is now made infeft. > > > > The feu duty payable is 10s annually at Whitsunday, and doubling at > Whitsunday 1832 and each 19th year thereafter, for those years only. Precept > of Sasine is duly given. > > > > (No witness listed) > > > > > > I should add that I am not connected to this line of Patons - at least not > yet! > > > > Hope it helps! > > > > > > Chris Paton > > > > www.ScotlandsGreatestStory.co.uk > Scotland's Greatest Story > www.ScottishAncestry.blogspot.com > Scottish Genealogy News and Events > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mike"<casofilia@xtra.co.nz> > To:<PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 5:57 PM > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] MURRAY > > > >> Hello from New Zealand >> >> In the will of William PATTON of Fossoway in 1845 there is a reference to >> a James MURRAY Esquire of Glenalmond. I am assuming that this is the >> Glenalmond Estate in Perthshire!! >> >> I wondered if anyone is able to help me with any information about the >> name James MURRAY and if there is a connection to the PATTON name. >> >> Also any information about Glenalmond. >> >> I am hoping for a marriage of the two names in the early 1800s. >> >> Thank you >> >> Mike >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PERTHSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the PERTHSHIRE mailing list, send an email to PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PERTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 23 > ***************************************** >

I am loooking for descendants of Robert Nicoll & Helen Dron. Their children are Isabella, b. 05/02/1804 Jean, b. 03/11/1805 Helen, b. 01/12/1811 Catherine, b. 03/11/1814 James, b. 07/12/1819 I would appreciate hearing from anyone who has any of the above in their family. Thank you. Kathy _________________________________________________________________ Introducing Windows® phone. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9708122

they go back that far, but you run into initials only listed the farther you go back. the spelling in phonetic as it is on records, so there are more "variants". ex: by Geo Millin (flanked) da Isobel Millne 12.1773 2 y-m Margrat Milln 5.2.1772 27 2y6m, his son John Milln 18.11.1781 1y9m. G.M. E.M. You'll notice less info on the dates (just month and year). I don't know if they were saving money by less of an inscription?? Mary In a message dated 2/12/2010 11:57:09 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, met2000@frii.com writes: Please tell me if the records go back to 1715 to 1740? Thank you, Joan Elizabeth Brown, > nee Robertson, disappears between the 1841 and 1851 Scottish census. In > 1881 > she lived in Logierait with husband John Brown. He was in Redgorton in the > 1851 > census. > A look up in the > cemetery inscriptions would be appreciated. > Thanks. Emrie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Please tell me if the records go back to 1715 to 1740? Thank you, Joan Elizabeth Brown, > nee Robertson, disappears between the 1841 and 1851 Scottish census. In > 1881 > she lived in Logierait with husband John Brown. He was in Redgorton in the > 1851 > census. > A look up in the > cemetery inscriptions would be appreciated. > Thanks. Emrie > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Emrie, This period was also one of great immigration, why not include Australia, New Zealand, USA and Canada in your search? Erik -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Emrie LaBarge Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:38 PM To: PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Cemetary lookup Elizabeth Brown, nee Robertson, disappears between the 1841 and 1851 Scottish census. In 1881 she lived in Logierait with husband John Brown. He was in Redgorton in the 1851 census. A look up in the cemetery inscriptions would be appreciated. Thanks. Emrie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Perhaps also try South Africa ~ Many arrived there between 1820 & mid 1862 I personally have two South African BROWN lines "but" are from Chelsea, London & Ireland Ian C ----- Original Message ----- From: "E. James Buttars" <chiefqld@optusnet.com.au> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Cemetery lookup Emrie, This period was also one of great immigration, why not include Australia, New Zealand, USA and Canada in your search? Erik -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Emrie LaBarge Sent: Tuesday, February 09, 2010 11:38 PM To: PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Cemetary lookup Elizabeth Brown, nee Robertson, disappears between the 1841 and 1851 Scottish census. In 1881 she lived in Logierait with husband John Brown. He was in Redgorton in the 1851 census. A look up in the cemetery inscriptions would be appreciated. Thanks. Emrie __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4852 (20100209) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Ernie, I have the Mi books for Perth and will take a look for you. Mary in Oregon In a message dated 2/9/2010 5:45:28 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, emrie_labarge@yahoo.com writes: Elizabeth Brown, nee Robertson, disappears between the 1841 and 1851 Scottish census. In 1881 she lived in Logierait with husband John Brown. He was in Redgorton in the 1851 census. A look up in the cemetery inscriptions would be appreciated. Thanks. Emrie ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message