Gail, I'm sure settlers had different circumstances. I bought a couple books on voyages, and experiences once they arrived. _http://globalgenealogy.com/countries/canada/ontario/oxford/resources/index.htm_ (http://globalgenealogy.com/countries/canada/ontario/oxford/resources/index.htm) you may find others on your area of settlement. My people were highlanders and from the border region. When my relatives came to upper Canada (Ontario) the settlers came into the "naked bush", meaning all the trees and brush were still untouched. They took seven weeks to get there and it was immediately necessary to build a shanty (a rough shelter, not a cabin. They cut a band of bark off about 6 inches wide, that killed the folliage above the stripe. This was necessary to get the ground ready to plant so there would be something (usually winter wheat) to eat the following year. The brush was cleared underneath but it was not a total clearence, for rows of planting, but a rough ground which was hand sown. The lumber was not logged, but cut down, as there was time, sorted into type in a pile and burned. There were several years before someone purchased a log sawing mill, and cut lumber was available for buildings. Scots preferred stone houses, and ash for mortar or fertilizers was more important than the wood. One thing the Scots learned from their German settlers nearby was to build their barns into a bank so they could develop that area into a root cellar, and the hay chart could be driven right up to the second floor of the barn. I've looked for the ship since I know they came in 1835, with no luck. Mary in Oregon In a message dated 3/16/2010 4:36:52 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, olsongayle@gmail.com writes: I have a ship question for you. My gggg grandparents, John (Ian) McMartin and Katherine Robertson were married on Valentines Day, 1798 in Weem, Perthshire and set sail for Canada shortly after that. One source said it was at the invitation of two of Katherine's brothers who were already in Canada. >From a distant cousin, I received this excerpt from a letter by Bert McMartin of Castalia, Iowa (brother to my great grandmother Elsie McMartin Oxbridge and son of Daniel Angus Mc Martin who was grandson of John & Katherine) to his Aunt Gladys (Mrs. F. M. Petty grove, Wilt on ND dated 12 DEC 1925, when Bert was about 53: " As far as I know, in 1798 John (Ian) Mc Martin and his wife Katherine amd some other relatives left Scotland (they were Highlanders) for America. They were on the ocean for several months. The captain of the vessel went crazy and sailed back and forth on the ocean for months until they were almost out of provisions. When the first mate seized the captain and put him in restraints. The mate took charge of the vessel and steered for the nearest shore, which was Labrador. It then sailed on to the Bay of Chaleurs. They stayed there probably one or two years. From there they went to Huntington, Quebec outside of Montreal and then on to St. Andrew's East, Quebec on the River Rouge." In trying to hunt this down, I've found that lumber from Canada was a popular export from this area and era and that sometimes new emigrants were the "backhaul" on these ships returning to Canada from Great Britain. Sounds like an interesting story - does anyone know any more info about this ship or the people involved? Also, I've heard that John's father (Duncan McMartin, married to Janet Gilchrist) died in Nova Scotia, but haven't been able to find documentation. Thanks for any info! The names and dates are wonderful, but the stories are my favorite - also the hardest to confirm! -Gayle Olson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have a ship question for you. My gggg grandparents, John (Ian) McMartin and Katherine Robertson were married on Valentines Day, 1798 in Weem, Perthshire and set sail for Canada shortly after that. One source said it was at the invitation of two of Katherine's brothers who were already in Canada. >From a distant cousin, I received this excerpt from a letter by Bert McMartin of Castalia, Iowa (brother to my great grandmother Elsie McMartin Kobriger and son of Daniel Angus McMartin who was grandson of John & Katherine) to his Aunt Gladys (Mrs. F.M. Pettygrove, Wilton ND dated 12 Dec 1925, when Bert was about 53: " As far as I know, in 1798 John (Ian) McMartin and his wife Katherine amd some other relatives left Scotland (they were Highlanders) for America. They were on the ocean for several months. The captain of the vessel went crazy and sailed back and forth on the ocean for months until they were almost out of provisions. When the first mate seized the captain and put him in restraints. The mate took charge of the vessel and steered for the nearest shore, which was Labrador. It then sailed on to the Bay of Chaleurs. They stayed there probably one or two years. From there they went to Huntington, Quebec outside of Montreal and then on to St. Andrew's East, Quebec on the River Rouge." In trying to hunt this down, I've found that lumber from Canada was a popular export from this area and era and that sometimes new emigrants were the "backhaul" on these ships returning to Canada from Great Britain. Sounds like an interesting story - does anyone know any more info about this ship or the people involved? Also, I've heard that John's father (Duncan McMartin, married to Janet Gilchrist) died in Nova Scotia, but haven't been able to find documentation. Thanks for any info! The names and dates are wonderful, but the stories are my favorite - also the hardest to confirm! -Gayle Olson

Hello again Bob A William GRAY was born in 1807 in Kilmadock to William GRAY and Janet BRYCE. This could be another candidate for the William who went on to marry Margaret Swan, although the naming of the first son as Duncan does lend support to William having a father named Duncan. I take it you haven't seen William Gray's Canadian death certificate? Rhoda

Hello Bob You are quite right in thinking that the name LEVAN has been transcribed wrongly. The image of the original marriage entry is on the Scotlands People website and the name of the bride is 'SWAN' and not 'LEVAN'. What is strange is that Scotlands People has also transcribed the name wrongly as they have indexed the marriage under the name LEVAN. I think it is quite clearly 'Swan' but perhaps I was helped by your identifying the surname. I will send you the image off-list but it won't help you to identify his parents. This was a marriage before the introduction of statutory registration, and there is no mention of occupation or parents in the entry in the parish register. I will ask Scotlands People to amend their index. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Neil" <rneil@sympatico.ca> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2010 5:22 PM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Marriage of William GRAY & Margaret SWAN >I have been searching for months for a marriage between William GRAY b. > ca 1810 and a Margaret SWAN b. ca 1810. > > I found a marriage on the IGI between a William GRAY & and Margaret > LEVAN on 10 June 1841 in Kilmadock and I'm wondering if the names SWAN & > LEVAN are interchangeable or transcribed wrong as both names end in AN. > >

Hi Bob According to the 1841 census William GRAYwas a farmer in Deanston. Ancestry has Deanston as a parish but I thought it was part of the Parish of Kilmadock Also in the household is a Margaret SWAN a female servant. I'm assuming you have the childrens birth info from the IGI. I would suggest you check the actual census image on Scotlandspeople. The birth baptism info for the children on Scotlandspeople won't have much more info than in the IGI but it should have an address to match the census. As all the events were before Civil Registration commenced information is limited but it is certaunly worth checking the image for the Gray/Levan marriage to check IGI's transcription Andy > Bob, > > Only a couple of months??. Some of us have been searching for years. > > The answer should lie in either 1841 census or in the birth record of > one of the children. Both are available on Scotland's People for a small > fee > and you can pay as you go. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ > > The minimum spend is 6 UKP or about Can $15 for which you get about six > lookups at a couple of dollars each. But the information is well worth the > money. > > Duncan's birth for example should give mother's maiden name, age and > birthplace, which I feel sure is Swan. If you look at the marriage, you > should get parents for both bride and groom. I think it's money well > spent, > and not expensive. > > Alternatively, if you have an Ancestry subscription, you can check 1841 > census for Kilmadock and see if there is a Margaret Swan or Margaret Levan > in the town. I think I'm correct in saying that the census would be around > March April and they married a couple of months later. So they should > still > be at home with parents unless working elsewhere, > > Peter in Sydney > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bob, Only a couple of months??. Some of us have been searching for years. The answer should lie in either 1841 census or in the birth record of one of the children. Both are available on Scotland's People for a small fee and you can pay as you go. http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ The minimum spend is 6 UKP or about Can $15 for which you get about six lookups at a couple of dollars each. But the information is well worth the money. Duncan's birth for example should give mother's maiden name, age and birthplace, which I feel sure is Swan. If you look at the marriage, you should get parents for both bride and groom. I think it's money well spent, and not expensive. Alternatively, if you have an Ancestry subscription, you can check 1841 census for Kilmadock and see if there is a Margaret Swan or Margaret Levan in the town. I think I'm correct in saying that the census would be around March April and they married a couple of months later. So they should still be at home with parents unless working elsewhere, Peter in Sydney

I have been searching for months for a marriage between William GRAY b. ca 1810 and a Margaret SWAN b. ca 1810. Their first child Duncan was born Sept. 1841, then Mary 1844, Margaret 1845, William 1846 & Janet 1848, all born in Kilmadock. Then they emigrated to Upper Canada (Ontario) where Jennie, Peter & James were born. Can anyone help me with finding this marriage ? I found a marriage on the IGI between a William GRAY & and Margaret LEVAN on 10 June 1841 in Kilmadock and I'm wondering if the names SWAN & LEVAN are interchangeable or transcribed wrong as both names end in AN. The date of this marriage is at about the right time & place. I checked the entire IGI batch #M113625 and there are no other LEVANs and no SWANs. If anyone would have access to the film maybe they could have a look at the name LEVAN. I'm trying to connect this William GRAY as a son to my ggg grandfather Duncan GRAY m. to Mary McLaren. I have a son William b. abt 9 Sep 1804 in Kincardine by Doune and I cannot prove these Williams are one and the same. Any help would be appreciated. -- Bob === Robert Neil Chatham-Kent, ON rneil@sympatico.ca

Viewed OK in Australia. Gutsy old girl! -------------------------------------------------- From: "Tina Morgan" <tina.morgan@dsl.pipex.com> Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2010 7:38 AM To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com>; <ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Great-granny white water rafting on Tay > > Not sure if this video clip is viewable in other parts of the world, but > here is a clip of white water rafting on the Tay at Aberfeldy. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8552884.stm > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi List:   The film viewed fine in Canada.  My mother, who just turned 99, is from Aberfeldy and has been in Canada since 1946.  Luckily, she just wanted to go out for dinner for her birthday!!    Margaret in Toronto  

Not sure if this video clip is viewable in other parts of the world, but here is a clip of white water rafting on the Tay at Aberfeldy. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8552884.stm

Sure Nat, I think we've communicated before: Archibald C DEWAR (1756-1831) m. 1786 to Margaret FERGUSON / GOW (1770-1835) Ch 1: Jannet (1788-1861) m. 1808 to John McNIE (1780-1868) of Balquhidder 2: Alexander (1790-1885) m. 1825 to Janet KENNEDY (1808-1884) of Dull 3: Malcom (1793-1838) m. 1818 to Ann COMRIE (1798-1884) of Comrie 4: John (1796-1890) m. 1821 to Margaret BUCHANAN (1804-1887) of Edinburgh 5: Peter / Patric (1800-1839) m. 1826 to Janet McEWEN (1805-1891) of ??? In 1818 this whole family moved from the Comrie region to Canada and settled near what is now Ottawa. I descend from Malcom and Ann. Alexander was the last Keeper of the Quigrich, a relic of St Fergus held by this Dewar family "sen the tyme of King Robert the Bruys and of before". Regards - Glen C. Bodie Web http://Bodie.CA Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com or mailto:Glen.Bodie@gmail.com Cell mailto:TyTN@Bodie.ca (no attachments) Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 12:16:54 -0500 From: Nat Skuce <nskuce1@gmail.com> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] was GOW family of Comrie now DEWAR from Perthshire To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Glen, Were you able to trace/do you know what happened to the Margaret (b1770) that you mention? Natalie

Thanks Sue, much appreciated. Regards - Glen C. Bodie Web http://Bodie.CA Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com or mailto:Glen.Bodie@gmail.com Cell mailto:TyTN@Bodie.ca (no attachments) Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 -----Original Message----- Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2010 07:17:47 +1000 From: Sue Holloway <susanrob21@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] PERTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 32 To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Hi Glen, >From what research I have done, no, I haven't come across any of my GOW line using the FERGUSON surname, not to say they didn't though. Perhaps a 'Google' search on Clan GOW may explain better how some used 'other' surnames and why, like SMITH, McPHERSON instead of GOW or MacGOWAN, etc. It is very interesting. >From the Parish Records, Duncan is the only child I can find born to Archibald GOW and Janet McNAB, although am sure there must be more, but just not on the PR's I have checked so far. Duncan GOW and his wife Ann JACK did have a child called Margaret, so maybe there was a Sister to Duncan called Margaret, thus naming a child after her. Sorry I cannot be of anymore help to you. Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia)

Glen, Were you able to trace/do you know what happened to the Margaret (b1770) that you mention? Natalie On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 12:08 AM, Glen Bodie <glen@glenbodie.com> wrote: > Sue - 2 questions to see if this might connect into my family line: > 1 - have you ever run into cases where your GOW family used the surname > FERGUSON for some reason? > 2 - do you have any idea if Duncan had a sister Margaret (b. ~1770 near > Comrie and m. Archibald DEWAR in 1786)? > > Regards - Glen C. Bodie > Web http://Bodie.CA > Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com or mailto:Glen.Bodie@gmail.com > Cell mailto:TyTN@Bodie.ca (no attachments) > Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 > > >

Hi Glen, >From what research I have done, no, I haven't come across any of my GOW line using the FERGUSON surname, not to say they didn't though. Perhaps a 'Google' search on Clan GOW may explain better how some used 'other' surnames and why, like SMITH, McPHERSON instead of GOW or MacGOWAN, etc. It is very interesting. >From the Parish Records, Duncan is the only child I can find born to Archibald GOW and Janet McNAB, although am sure there must be more, but just not on the PR's I have checked so far. Duncan GOW and his wife Ann JACK did have a child called Margaret, so maybe there was a Sister to Duncan called Margaret, thus naming a child after her. Sorry I cannot be of anymore help to you. Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia) > 1. Re: GOW family of Comrie (Glen Bodie) > From: "Glen Bodie" <glen@glenbodie.com> > Sue - 2 questions to see if this might connect into my family line: > 1 - have you ever run into cases where your GOW family used the surname FERGUSON for some reason? > 2 - do you have any idea if Duncan had a sister Margaret (b. ~1770 near Comrie and m. Archibald DEWAR in 1786)? > Regards - Glen C. Bodie _________________________________________________________________ View photos of singles in your area! Browse profiles for FREE http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/

Sue, Auchengarrich is a wild life animal farm in Glenartney near Comrie. There are still Gows in Comrie. See www.highlandstrathearn.com. It contains some information on Glenartney and Comrie. It may be of interst if you have never been there. You live anywhere near Cairns or Hughenden? Peter perthshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: GOW family of Comrie (Glen Bodie) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 28 Feb 2010 00:08:30 -0500 > From: "Glen Bodie" <glen@glenbodie.com> > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] GOW family of Comrie > To: "perthshire@rootsweb.com" <perthshire@rootsweb.com>, "Sue > Holloway" <susanrob21@hotmail.com> > Message-ID: <BLU0-SMTP668D8C008EDC0070195046943D0@phx.gbl> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Sue - 2 questions to see if this might connect into my family line: > 1 - have you ever run into cases where your GOW family used the surname FERGUSON for some reason? > 2 - do you have any idea if Duncan had a sister Margaret (b. ~1770 near Comrie and m. Archibald DEWAR in 1786)? > > Regards - Glen C. Bodie > Web http://Bodie.CA > Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com or mailto:Glen.Bodie@gmail.com > Cell mailto:TyTN@Bodie.ca (no attachments) > Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 > > -----Original Message----- > Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:30:45 +1000 > From: Sue Holloway <susanrob21@hotmail.com> > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] GOW family of Comrie > To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> > > My GOW family goes back to a birth about 1751 in Perthshire, for Archibold GOW who married Jean McNAB. > Their son Duncan GOW c.1785, Auchingarrich, Comrie, married Ann JACK c.1786, of Dunblane before 1809. > Their 'known' children were: Helen c.1812; Male c.1812; Ann c.1814; Peter c.1817; Duncan c.1825 and Margaret c.1830, all Baptised in Comrie, PER. > > <SNIP> > > If you think you may have a connection to this family, would be great to hear from you. > Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia) > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PERTHSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the PERTHSHIRE mailing list, send an email to PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PERTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 32 > ***************************************** >

Sue - 2 questions to see if this might connect into my family line: 1 - have you ever run into cases where your GOW family used the surname FERGUSON for some reason? 2 - do you have any idea if Duncan had a sister Margaret (b. ~1770 near Comrie and m. Archibald DEWAR in 1786)? Regards - Glen C. Bodie Web http://Bodie.CA Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com or mailto:Glen.Bodie@gmail.com Cell mailto:TyTN@Bodie.ca (no attachments) Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 -----Original Message----- Date: Tue, 23 Feb 2010 11:30:45 +1000 From: Sue Holloway <susanrob21@hotmail.com> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] GOW family of Comrie To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> My GOW family goes back to a birth about 1751 in Perthshire, for Archibold GOW who married Jean McNAB. Their son Duncan GOW c.1785, Auchingarrich, Comrie, married Ann JACK c.1786, of Dunblane before 1809. Their 'known' children were: Helen c.1812; Male c.1812; Ann c.1814; Peter c.1817; Duncan c.1825 and Margaret c.1830, all Baptised in Comrie, PER. <SNIP> If you think you may have a connection to this family, would be great to hear from you. Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia)

I have posted the 1832 Roll for the parish of Callander on my web site - plenty of Stewarts and Fergusons amongst the many . Click on _http://caledonianconnections.com/1832.aspx_ (http://caledonianconnections.com/1832.aspx) Col

Hi Listers, My GOW family goes back to a birth about 1751 in Perthshire, for Archibold GOW who married Jean McNAB. Their son Duncan GOW c.1785, Auchingarrich, Comrie, married Ann JACK c.1786, of Dunblane before 1809. Their 'known' children were: Helen c.1812; Male c.1812; Ann c.1814; Peter c.1817; Duncan c.1825 and Margaret c.1830, all Baptised in Comrie, PER. Marriages for these children: Helen GOW c.1812, married Alexander McPHERSON, s.o. Angus McPHERSON and Jean McLAREN Bapt in Kilmahog, Callander, PER - children were born in Dunblane, PER; Dunipace, Denny, STI. Duncan GOW, c.1825, married Janet DUNCAN, c.1821, Muthill, d.o. Andrew DUNCAN and Isabel KAY. Their children were all born in Muthill, PER. Margaret GOW, c.1830, married Thomas GILFILLAN, c.1825, Kilpatrick, s.o. Thomas GILFILLAN and Margaret DICK. Their children were all born in Comrie, PER. The known marriages to date, of all these children from these marriages, were to: GRAHAM, John - s.o. John GRAHAM and Janet KAY - children born in Falkirk, STI and Edinburgh, MDL. ROY, William - s.o. William ROY and Elizabeth STEWART - children born in Braco & Comrie, PER WILLIAMSON, Robert - s.o. William WILLIAMSON and Isabella DEWAR - children born in Muthill, Perth and Crieff, PER If you think you may have a connection to this family, would be great to hear from you. Kind regards, Sue (Tropical North Queensland, Australia) _________________________________________________________________ Find a great deal on your next car. Get straight to the Point. http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157637060/direct/01/

Hello Sue Your details are so close to mine, there is bound to be a connection. I wonder ~ perhaps I have the LACK's & JACK's mixed up. This is my lot: Duncan GOW x Ann LACK Daughter Margaret abt 1830-1902 Occ. Servant at Dalginross Main Street. Margaret married Thomas GILFILLAN 1825-1907 died in Comrie Some of their children: Duncan babt. 1866 Archi 1871-1925 x Helen ELLIS Immigrated to USA Peter b.1887 x ANDERSON & x SULLIVAN John b. 1898 d. Crieff x Louisa Anderson COMRIE 1898-1975 (<My Grandparents) Have more on the GILFILLAN line if anyone is interested, I still have family living in both Comrie & Crieff unfortunately they don't share the same genealogy interests as I, so that line is fairly incomprehensive. Rgds Ian Carruthers Harare Zimbabwe <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: "Sue Holloway" My GOW family goes back to a birth about 1751 in Perthshire, for Archibold GOW who married Jean McNAB. Their son Duncan GOW c.1785, Auchingarrich, Comrie, married Ann JACK c.1786, of Dunblane before 1809. Their 'known' children were: Helen c.1812; Male c.1812; Ann c.1814; Peter c.1817; Duncan c.1825 and Margaret c.1830, all Baptised in Comrie, PER. Marriages for these children: Helen GOW c.1812, married Alexander McPHERSON, s.o. Angus McPHERSON and Jean McLAREN Bapt in Kilmahog, Callander, PER - children were born in Dunblane, PER; Dunipace, Denny, STI. Duncan GOW, c.1825, married Janet DUNCAN, c.1821, Muthill, d.o. Andrew DUNCAN and Isabel KAY. Their children were all born in Muthill, PER. Margaret GOW, c.1830, married Thomas GILFILLAN, c.1825, Kilpatrick, s.o. Thomas GILFILLAN and Margaret DICK. Their children were all born in Comrie, PER. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4888 (20100222) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com

Hello Again I have just had it pointed out to me that I mixed up my b and d. The heading had b1796 and the body d1796. The head out does the body!!! Thanks Peter William was born in 1796 and the other 6 were siblings Sorry for any confusion Mike -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subject: [PATON] William PATTON/PATON's Relatives (b1796) She is the gggd of William PATTON d 1796 who lived in Fossoway Kinross for much of his life and most of the children were all born there. We ave been able to follow this line through a great deal.