Having another look at my Scrimgeours from Dull and found two marriages John Walker and Elizabeth Scrimgeour married in Perth in 1864. Their children were all born in Dunning. Catherine Scrimgeour and John McIntosh were married in Kirkmichael in 1863. Their children were born in Kirkmichael and Moulin. Anyone connect Kay

Since "The names Smiddyhill (written as one word on document) and Tullymoran come from the baptism records." you know but we do not, the parish, the date(s) and the names of the families involved. If you pass on that information others may be able to help. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > Hi Andy, > > The names Smiddyhill (written as one word on document) and Tullymoran come > from the baptism records. Both are in Perthshire. I am just wondering how > close together they are.

Hi The name of the parishes that the baptisms came from will help to narrow down the location. Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > Hi Andy, > > The names Smiddyhill (written as one word on document) and Tullymoran come > from the baptism records. Both are in Perthshire. I am just wondering how > close together they are. > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Andy Candlish > <andycandlish@ozemail.com.au >> wrote: >

Hi Kathleen, Curiosity has got the better of me. This email, even though it says it from me originally has got me beat. Simply, I know nothing of it. The two towns I have never heard of but because it has my email address on it as the sender then I totally confused. I went back into my sent items and sure enough there it is BUT I still have no idea why the question was asked as in, " does anybody read this list". It looks to me like that it came from me or there is a glitch somewhere within the system OR.... I am suffering memory loss and reason ???? I don't take advantage the Perthshire at rootsweb sit and I probably should but I don't ever recall writing to the site I just read the emails as they come hoping that on day I will find more answers to my elusiuve Stoddarts in Dunbarney. Warren Stoddart NSW Australia -------------------------------------------------- From: "Warren Stoddart" <wasto@tpg.com.au> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 6:12 AM To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:49 AM > To: <Perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > >> Could anyone tellme if the above two places are near each other? Thank >> you. Kathy >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

Hi What is your source for these locations, particularly Smiddy Hill? The reason for asking is that its not uncommon to find multiple locations with the same name, for example there are seven Smiddyhill in todays Aberdeenshire, one in Scottish Borders, one in Angus and a Smiddy Hill also in Angus. By looking at your source information, for example a census, other details will help narrow down where Smiddy Hill was as it doesn't appear to be on a modern map. The reason for looking at both Smiddyhill and Smiddy Hill is that its not uncommon to find the names like this written both ways in different documents Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:38 AM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > Smiddy Hill and Tullymoran are both in Perthshire and are places that my > ancestors came from. I am trying to learn their proximity to each other. > Thank you. > > Kathy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

It would help if you specified where you found the names?! Meantime using www.streetmap.co.uk place Smiddy Hill finds a farm neas Carmyllie east of Dundee and www.streetmap.co.uk place Tullymoran finds a farm west of Perth ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > Does any one read mail on this list? > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Warren Stoddart <wasto@tpg.com.au> wrote: > >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> >> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:49 AM >> To: <Perthshire@rootsweb.com> >> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran >> >> > Could anyone tellme if the above two places are near each other? Thank >> > you. Kathy >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> > >> > >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Kathy, When listing local parishes for Tullymoran, I left out Fowlis Wester. Katie Sent by Katie, earlier: <<< This Tullymoran is in Glenalmond, I think, but I imagine you may find records in more than one parish, such as Monzie, Logiealmond, Methven etc etc. I used to wonder about this but when I look at the maps and see how close they are it's not so strange after all, even without taking into account shifting parish borders over the years.>>>

Hi Kathy, Sometimes when you use the heading as the question and depending on what email program the recipient is using, the heading is not always visible; perhaps it might be better to place your question at the beginning of your first para/text. I.e., Could someone please tell me where "Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran" is please? James PS Besides that, it helps old farts like me with poor eye sight (:-)) -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ogg-Moss Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 8:30 AM To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran Does any one read mail on this list? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Warren Stoddart <wasto@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:49 AM > To: <Perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > > > Could anyone tellme if the above two places are near each other? Thank > > you. Kathy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My cousin lives at the SmiddyHill near Carmyllie, Angus. I can try and help if its this one that you are looking at. Regards Heather ---- Ian Mackie <mackiei@alphalink.com.au> wrote: > It would help if you specified where you found the names?! > Meantime using > www.streetmap.co.uk place Smiddy Hill finds a farm neas Carmyllie east > of Dundee > and > www.streetmap.co.uk place Tullymoran finds a farm west of Perth > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> > To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 9:30 AM > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > > > > Does any one read mail on this list? > > > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Warren Stoddart <wasto@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > >> > >> > >> -------------------------------------------------- > >> From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> > >> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:49 AM > >> To: <Perthshire@rootsweb.com> > >> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > >> > >> > Could anyone tellme if the above two places are near each other? Thank > >> > you. Kathy > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Kathy, As has been mentioned, there was more than one Smiddyhill/Smiddy Hill. In fact, nearly every village may have had one if they had to trail up the hill to the Smith! The only way ascertain which one you want may be to find other references in other documents and home in on it. You also know now that there's at still least one farm or settlement called Tullymoran, lying to the north of what is now the B0863, just west of Harrietfield, roughly midway between Perth and Crieff. Not living in Scotland myself, I find the Ordnance Survey and other maps help me to familiarize me with ancestral areas some of which I may never visit. If you don't have a map yourself, you can Tullymoran online at www.streetmap.co.uk and I find the NLS maps very helpful for older maps, though they take some searching. This Tullymoran is in Glenalmond, I think, but I imagine you may find records in more than one parish, such as Monzie, Logiealmond, Methven etc etc. I used to wonder about this but when I look at the maps and see how close they are it's not so strange after all, even without taking into account shifting parish borders over the years. I also saw a mention of a Thomas ALLAN at Tullymoran. Another invaluable series of documents besides the OPRs is the 1832 Electoral Roll - for the various parishes, so brilliantly digitalized for us on the Caledonian Connections site - eternal thanks for this! Even if your ancestor was not eligible to vote, the Rolls give us more insight into the lie of the land, literally and figuratively. On the 1832 alphabetical list of electors for the Parish of Monzie, one Thomas ALLAN was farmer and tenant with lands and houses at Wester Tullymoran, which will be the spot near Harrietfield. Again, even if this guy is not your ancestor, his family may turn up on a census record down the line near your family, maybe giving you a clue as to their whereabouts. More fun detective work. :-) Like you, I don't live in or anywhere near Scotland, which does rather hamper us on our trail. Still, I never cease to be amazed how much I can discover about the paths my ancestors trod, even at this remove. Of course, we'll never find all the answers and more and more questions arise on the way to tease us, but the process can be rather moving - and the detective work can be so exciting. I can't be bothered with puzzles and cryptograms and must confess to never having read an entire Agatha Christie, but give me an online census and a map and the OPRs & photos and I'm in ancestral heaven. And with Google as my friend there's no holding me. I hope it's as much fun for you. A pity that time and energy make me limit my enthusiasm. It's great when someone points me in the right direction and I'm grateful for all the helpful and knowledgeable people around - but most of the discoveries I want to make myself. ;-) Enjoy the trail, Katie de Haan The Netherlands -----Original Message---From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Kathleen Ogg-Moss Sent: vrijdag 26 maart 2010 4:03 To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran Hi Andy, The names Smiddyhill (written as one word on document) and Tullymoran come from the baptism records. Both are in Perthshire. I am just wondering how close together they are.

-------------------------------------------------- From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:49 AM To: <Perthshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > Could anyone tellme if the above two places are near each other? Thank > you. Kathy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > >

I've not come across Tullymoran, but I also have family from Smiddyhill, which is in the parish of Arngask just south of Perth. Ursula

Hi Andy, The names Smiddyhill (written as one word on document) and Tullymoran come from the baptism records. Both are in Perthshire. I am just wondering how close together they are. On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Andy Candlish <andycandlish@ozemail.com.au > wrote: > Hi > > What is your source for these locations, particularly Smiddy Hill? The > reason for asking is that its not uncommon to find multiple locations with > the same name, for example there are seven Smiddyhill in todays > Aberdeenshire, one > in Scottish Borders, one in Angus and a Smiddy Hill also in Angus. By > looking > at your source information, for example a census, other details will help > narrow down where Smiddy Hill was as it doesn't appear to be on a modern > map. The reason for looking at both Smiddyhill and Smiddy Hill is that its > not uncommon to find the names like this written both ways in different > documents > > Andy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> > To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 11:38 AM > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > > > > Smiddy Hill and Tullymoran are both in Perthshire and are places that my > > ancestors came from. I am trying to learn their proximity to each other. > > Thank you. > > > > Kathy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Smiddy Hill and Tullymoran are both in Perthshire and are places that my ancestors came from. I am trying to learn their proximity to each other. Thank you. Kathy

I do, but sadly I don't know the answer to your question so didn't answer, but if you google Tyllmoran and/or Smiddy Hill you will get some information. http://www.streetmap.co.uk/place/Tullymoran_in_Perth_and_Kinross_308611_830611.htm http://www.streetmap.co.uk/map.srfx=351500&y=743500&z=120&sv=Smiddy+HIll&st=3&tl=Map+of+Smiddy+Hill,+Angus+&searchp=ids.srf&mapp=map.srf Brigid On Mar 25, 2010, at 6:30 PM, Kathleen Ogg-Moss wrote: > Does any one read mail on this list? > > On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Warren Stoddart <wasto@tpg.com.au> > wrote:

Does any one read mail on this list? On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Warren Stoddart <wasto@tpg.com.au> wrote: > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:49 AM > To: <Perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Smiddy Hill & Tullymoran > > > Could anyone tellme if the above two places are near each other? Thank > > you. Kathy > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Could anyone tellme if the above two places are near each other? Thank you. Kathy

I am looking for details about Frederick DRUMMOND'S family he was born 1920 in Perth. He and his wife (name unknown) had 4 children Frank, Jane, Marian and Anthony. Frederick was the son of Laura WENLOCK and James DRUMMOND. James was born in Dunferline, Fifeshire. Their other children were: James b. 1918, Richard b. 1922, Gladys b. 1924, Margaret b. 1926, Elizabeth b. 1928, Myra b. 1928, Stuart b. 1929, Sheila b. 1931 All born in Perth. All the family are of interest to me and I would love to hear from any lister with any information. . Could any one tell me what resources are available on internet for researching people from Scotland? Thanks from Margaret Harris (NZ)

Margaret, All the information you seek should be available from Scotland's People at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ They have BDM data up to 2006. While it's a pay site, each search would cost about NZ$3. If you use it wisely, you can get all the children from a basic search and not have to pay the full fee for viewing the actual certificate. Peter in Sydney

While clearing out the attic, my husband has found an old photograph album. Many of the photos were taken at Trotter's studio, King Street, Crieff and also The Thomas Sidey studio in Perth. Written by one of the pictures is " William Comrie, School Master". There is also a photo of John Kinloch. If anybody believes they have a link to this family then please contact me by e-mail - susanbarnett1@mac.com and I will be happy to send it on to them.