Thank you to everyone for your help. You are wonderful. I had checked Family Search without positive results, but hadn’t checked ScotlandsPeople. I think Rhoda has hit the jackpot. My ggrandfather, Peter Scott, was living with the Browns in the 1841 census. His parents were Peter Scott and Rebbeca Kemlo/Camley. Kemlo seems to have been spelt over 20 different ways; between that and the difficulty of reading Scottish handwriting, Camron is within the element of possibility. I am excited to pursue this. Actually, I was looking for a cemetery inscription for her. Elizabeth is listed as 40 years old in 1841. Emrie

Emrie, It was usual for a marriage to take place in the bride's parish. If you look at IGI batch C113375 for Caputh, you find two possible christenings for Elizabeth Robertson. I favour the one in 1797 as the other in 1808 would be barely 17 when married. Of course, there may be others outside the parish or not registered. So my original advice stands. Look at the marriage on Scotland's people and it should give parents of both parties. Peter in Sydney

Emrie, You don't say how old Elizabeth was in 1841 census. Despite that, I think you need to go to Scotland's People http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk It's a pay site, so nobody is going to pay to do it for you. But it's quite cheap and great value for money. For a minimum spend of six pounds you get about six lookups. You can find her marriage, death, birth and still have three more lookups. Peter

Emrie I had a look at the birth index on Scotlands People, and the Elizabeth ROBERTSON born in 1797 in Caputh (whom Peter mentioned in his earlier email) was the daughter of Charles ROBERTSON and Cathrine CAMRON. Since Elizabeth and John's second son was named Charles, there is a fair possibility that this was your Elizabeth (second son named after the wife's father being a Scottish custom which was not always followed, of course). Unfortunately, parish records are unlikely to have included the name of the bride's mother. There is a better chance of them including the names of fathers, but this was by no means always the case. Sometimes all you get are the names of the bride and groom. This all changed with the introduction of statutory registration in 1855. The Scotlands People birth index shows 6 children born to a Charles ROBERTSON and Catharine CAMRON in Caputh between 1797 and 1809. Elizabeth 1797 John 1799 Margaret 1801 Peter 1806 Cathrine 1808 Cathrine 1809 (the first Cathrine must have died) Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Emrie LaBarge" <emrie_labarge@yahoo.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:14 PM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Robertson and Brown > Elizabeth Robertson married John Brown in Caputh in 1825. There are in > Logierait in the 1841 census, then he is in Regorton in 1851 census > without Elizabeth. they had three children: Lawrence, Charles and > Elizabeth. Does anyone know who her parents were or any of her sibilings? > I am especially looking for a connection to the Scott family. >

Peter (and Emrie) In the words of Scotlands People, the death records before statutory registration was introduced in 1855 are "very sparse". There was no requirement to record deaths and "a great many parishes simply did not bother." See: http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/content/help/index.aspx?r=554&1355 So, if Elizabeth died before 1855, it is unlikely that her death will have been recorded - although you may be lucky and find her. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth (2)" <peterbooth2@bigpond.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, April 16, 2010 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Robertson and Brown > Emrie, > > You don't say how old Elizabeth was in 1841 census. > > Despite that, I think you need to go to Scotland's People > http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk > > It's a pay site, so nobody is going to pay to do it for you. But it's > quite cheap and great value for money. For a minimum spend of six pounds > you > get about six lookups. You can find her marriage, death, birth and still > have three more lookups. > > Peter >

Hi Peter and Andy,I have researched this family for a long time and I have done alot of looking up at the FHL. Also I heard about the Train going down in Fife and them losing the 1841 census. My Mother was born in Dysart so I have worked my way back to Joseph and Mary and their marriage and their children. Only two children survived , John ( my G'G' ) and Thomas, who died quite young. Henry was not found after the 1851 census. I found two deaths on the the pre Fife death index. A James who died in 1843 and a Euphemia who died 1844. Mary's parents were John and Euphemia ADIE and as their first child was born out of wed lock ,it could be John was named after Mary's father not Joseph's I haven't written down what I already know with this group as I just thought by joining the Perthshire Group I may make contact with another person researching the SINCLAIR name. Many thanks for both your input. All the best Allison. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth (2)" <peterbooth2@bigpond.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 3:39 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Sinclair Name > Allison, > > I think Andy has explained why you can't find them in 1841 census > records. > > That leaves BDM data from Scotlands People as the most likely source. > > I'd bite the bullet and spend a couple of pounds getting the 1830 > marriage, the births of John, Thomas and Henry and looking for the death > of > Mary pre 1851. > > Peter > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.733 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2810 - Release Date: 04/14/10 18:31:00

Elizabeth Robertson married John Brown in Caputh in 1825. There are in Logierait in the 1841 census, then he is in Regorton in 1851 census without Elizabeth. they had three children: Lawrence, Charles and Elizabeth. Does anyone know who her parents were or any of her sibilings? I am especially looking for a connection to the Scott family. He was buried in Tibbermore. Can anyone look up to see if she was buried there also.

Allison, I think Andy has explained why you can't find them in 1841 census records. That leaves BDM data from Scotlands People as the most likely source. I'd bite the bullet and spend a couple of pounds getting the 1830 marriage, the births of John, Thomas and Henry and looking for the death of Mary pre 1851. Peter

Hi Peter, I have more information on Joseph SINCLAIR. He married Mary ADIE in Kinross 11 June 1830 at Cleish. They had a son John born there abt 1828, before their marriage and they moved to Fife. I found him on the 1851 census in Kirkcaldy aged 46 . a ag worker. On the 1861 census in Dunfermline he was a widower age 60 Ag worker. He died 29th Dec 1869 in Dunfermline. On his death certificate he was 72 and his son John was the informant. It was nice of you to write and I would welcome any interest or advice. Manythanks Allison.

Hi A list of the known problems with the 1841 census has a number of Fifeshire Parishes. They are either missing or there is no data for them. These are the Fifeshire problems. 400 Abdie Fifeshire 406 Auchtermuchty Fifeshire 409 Balmerino Fifeshire 415 Ceres Fifeshire 416 Collesie Fifeshire 418 Creich Fifeshire 419 Cults Fifeshire 420 Cupar Fifeshire 421 Dairsie Fifeshire 423 Dunbog Fifeshire 439 Kinghorn Fifeshire 440 Kinglasie Fifeshire 442 Kirkcaldy Fifeshire 444 Leslie Fifeshire Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth (2)" <peterbooth2@bigpond.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Sinclair Name > Allison, > > > It's strange they can't be found in 1841 census. I can't explain why, > but have spent some time searching. My guess is it's a transcription > error. > > > Peter >

Allison, Please understand that as a part time professional researcher, there is only so much I can do for free. And I find myself duplicating things that you've already done to find information that you've missed or not reported. There were three sons, John 1828, Thomas 1833 and Henry 1836. It looks like Mary had died before 1851. It's strange they can't be found in 1841 census. I can't explain why, but have spent some time searching. My guess is it's a transcription error. I think your answer lies at Scotland's People and the 1830 marriage. Hopefully it will give ages, birthplaces and parents. It's a minimum spend of about six pounds. What you don't use for the marriage, you can use on census or subsequent BMD events like Mary's death or the christenings of the children. Peter

Allison, The Sinclair surname will be fairly common in Scotland. So you need to do some more research and get more details. Asking a question like yours limits the possible replies to a minimum, because very few people will be related. But if you provide some detailed data, which shows some attempt at research, many people on the list can apply their combined knowledge and resources to try and help. Firstly, check Google maps for the location. The correct spelling looks to be Muckhart, which shows as currently in Clackmanshire, but formerly was in Perthshire. Secondly, provide us with details of death certificate. Where and when did he die? What was his age and occupation? Who were the witnesses? This is vital to help identify which censuses he could be found. IGI batches for Muckhart, show only one entry, Joseph Sharp Sinclair born 1800, but parents are John Sinclair and Rachel Dewar. Perhaps the informant for the death provided incorrect data. The place to check is Scotlands People http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ It's a pay site, so you won't get others to pay for it. Knowing when and where he died will enable you to find him in census records and check birth date and location. It's unlikely he will still be with parents in 1840, but you might find other Sinclair families in the area that could be related. Hope some of that helps. Peter

Hi i have a Joseph SINCLAIR born abt 1800 in Muckart and on his death certificate it said his father was Henry. Does anyone know aboiut this family. manythnks Allison

Hi all, Thanks to everyone. I now have Margarets e-mail address Regards Duncan

I think the Fifeshire records were lost as they were being transported to Edinburgh. In a message dated 4/14/2010 9:07:17 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, andycandlish@ozemail.com.au writes: Hi A list of the known problems with the 1841 census has a number of Fifeshire Parishes. They are either missing or there is no data for them. These are the Fifeshire problems. 400 Abdie Fifeshire 406 Auchtermuchty Fifeshire 409 Balmerino Fifeshire 415 Ceres Fifeshire 416 Collesie Fifeshire 418 Creich Fifeshire 419 Cults Fifeshire 420 Cupar Fifeshire 421 Dairsie Fifeshire 423 Dunbog Fifeshire 439 Kinghorn Fifeshire 440 Kinglasie Fifeshire 442 Kirkcaldy Fifeshire 444 Leslie Fifeshire Andy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Booth (2)" <peterbooth2@bigpond.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 15, 2010 10:49 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Sinclair Name > Allison, > > > It's strange they can't be found in 1841 census. I can't explain why, > but have spent some time searching. My guess is it's a transcription > error. > > > Peter > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, I have lost the e-mail address for Margaret MacKay, based in Polmont, Falkirk who did some research for me a couple of years ago. If you can help, please contact me off list at duncan_mackenzie@sky.com Regards, Duncan

Two of my great grandfathers are there Alexander Cameron Glassie and Thomas Scrimgeour who was added in 1833. Colin's data is much easier to interpret than the original record Kay

Thanks, Col I always pore over your new releases in the vain hope that some of my McCallums or their relations will turn up somewhere other than the Crieff area in 1832. They never do, but I'm still very very grateful for all your work. Greetings from the Netherlands Katie de Haan -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CaledonC@aol.com Sent: dinsdag 30 maart 2010 20:57 To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] 1832 Electoral Roll for Dull I have now posted the 1832 Electoral Roll for the Parish of Dull at : _http://caledonianconnections.com/1832ElectoralRollDull.aspx_ (http://caledonianconnections.com/1832ElectoralRollDull.aspx) A preponderance of Menziess , a number of Glen Lyon Campbells and a smattering of Loch Rannoch Camerons ! Dull can be confusing with so many detached portions and part extending over the Hills to Amulree . Col ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi there, I just pulled up their marriage details on Scotlands People because I have several McINtosh's from Kirkmichael and yes I do have John in my tree but no marriage. So I can now start linking him to Catherine. Funny enough I have SCRIMGEOURS in my tree as well so I might get a connection eventually with Catherine too. Regards Heather -------------------------------------------------- From: "Kay Liney" <kay@knockard.freeserve.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2010 7:11 PM To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Scrimgeours > Having another look at my Scrimgeours from Dull and found two marriages > John Walker and Elizabeth Scrimgeour married in Perth in 1864. > Their children were all born in Dunning. > Catherine Scrimgeour and John McIntosh were married in Kirkmichael in > 1863. > Their children were born in Kirkmichael and Moulin. > Anyone connect > Kay > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have now posted the 1832 Electoral Roll for the Parish of Dull at : _http://caledonianconnections.com/1832ElectoralRollDull.aspx_ (http://caledonianconnections.com/1832ElectoralRollDull.aspx) A preponderance of Menziess , a number of Glen Lyon Campbells and a smattering of Loch Rannoch Camerons ! Dull can be confusing with so many detached portions and part extending over the Hills to Amulree . Col