They should be at The National Archives in London (Kew) http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ Regards Grant On 02/06/2010 08:01, perthshire-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. PETER CARMICHAEL (Pamela Anne Carmichael) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 2 Jun 2010 13:35:37 +1000 > From: "Pamela Anne Carmichael"<pcarm@mail.cth.com.au> > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] PETER CARMICHAEL > To:<PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID:<6BCD63CD10E04771B4D83E90277E1BA0@pami52hegwoc3h> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" > > Peter CARMICHAEL joined the Perthshire Militia approximately 1799. He was a Sergeant when he left 10 years later to join the 1 Battalion, 42 Regiment of Foot, where he served in Salamanca, Spain. He died in 1813. I need to find his enlistment papers for the Perthshire Militia to learn who his father is. I have looked in Ancestry.com and on the internet without finding him. Any help will be very much appreciated. Pam Carmichael > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the PERTHSHIRE list administrator, send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the PERTHSHIRE mailing list, send an email to PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of PERTHSHIRE Digest, Vol 5, Issue 73 > ***************************************** > >

Peter CARMICHAEL joined the Perthshire Militia approximately 1799. He was a Sergeant when he left 10 years later to join the 1 Battalion, 42 Regiment of Foot, where he served in Salamanca, Spain. He died in 1813. I need to find his enlistment papers for the Perthshire Militia to learn who his father is. I have looked in Ancestry.com and on the internet without finding him. Any help will be very much appreciated. Pam Carmichael

Thank you Chris for the address for the Militia databases. I have been trying for years to find something on my thrice great grandfathers military information. I had his marriage at Holy Rude saying he was in the Perthshire Militia. He is under the name that is on the marriage certificate which changes in other listings. Shuster to Shewster. His wife Binston to Beanstone. Don't think I will get an argument the Shuster is not a typical Scottish name. Wonder if his father was a Hanoverian Soldier at Stirling. Do you have any idea of how I would go about finding some of those names in the 1700's? Wonderful to get this. Thanks. Kaye In a message dated 6/2/2010 3:51:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, christopherpaton@tiscali.co.uk writes: There are three searchable Perthshire militia databases online at http://www.pkc.gov.uk/Education+and+learning/Libraries+archives+and+learning +centres/Archives/Archive+collections/Online+sources/Militia+collections+PE6 6/ Chris ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

There are three searchable Perthshire militia databases online at http://www.pkc.gov.uk/Education+and+learning/Libraries+archives+and+learning+centres/Archives/Archive+collections/Online+sources/Militia+collections+PE66/ Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pamela Anne Carmichael" <pcarm@mail.cth.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 4:35 AM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] PETER CARMICHAEL > Peter CARMICHAEL joined the Perthshire Militia approximately 1799. He was > a Sergeant when he left 10 years later to join the 1 Battalion, 42 > Regiment of Foot, where he served in Salamanca, Spain. He died in 1813. I > need to find his enlistment papers for the Perthshire Militia to learn who > his father is. I have looked in Ancestry.com and on the internet without > finding him. Any help will be very much appreciated. Pam Carmichael > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Kathleen, What sort of research do you need. There are local people on this list who can check things out for you. Or are you are looking for a professional researcher? Let us know, and maybe someone can help you. Doreen Cuthbert --- On Tue, 25/5/10, Kathleen Ogg-Moss <koggmoss@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Kathleen Ogg-Moss <koggmoss@gmail.com> > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Researcher wanted. > To: Perthshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, 25 May, 2010, 15:13 > Is there anyone who will do research > in Perthshire for me, please. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Is there anyone who will do research in Perthshire for me, please.

I have just posted the 1832 Electoral Roll for the Parish of Dunblane on my web site . It is fairly extensive as the parish covered a pretty wide area from Muthill in the north to Kilmadock ( Doune etc ) in the west and south and Logie in the south east . I t can be found on _http://caledonianconnections.com/1832DunblaneRoll.aspx_ (http://caledonianconnections.com/1832DunblaneRoll.aspx) Col

Does anyone have anything on this family? These events are from the IGI, caveat lector. Regards, Don McArthur. Descendants of Patrick Drummond 1 Patrick DRUMMOND .. +Janet MCFARLANE ... 2 James DRUMMOND 2 Mar 1741 ~ Comrie ... 2 Susan DRUMMOND 3 Sep 1742 ~ Monzievaird & Strowan ... 2 Anna DRUMMOND 17 Aug 1744 ~ Monzievaird & Strowan ... 2 Betty DRUMMOND 13 Jul 1746 ~ Monzievaird & Strowan ... 2 Margaret DRUMMOND 26 Aug 1748 ~ Monzievaird & Strowan ... 2 Emilia DRUMMOND 8 Sep 1750 ~ Monzievaird & Strowan

Hello again Chris Re my earlier response, below. On this occasion I will have to eat my words :=). I have looked at the original image of the census entry for James DUNCAN, 70, nurseryman and the address does indeed appear to be 'Over Germaney' or perhaps, 'Over Gormaney'. which I assume was a farm near Coupar Angus? The households above on the same page lived in Hill Street and Hill Gorden Side. I will send you the image off-list Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "CandROverson" <overson12@btinternet.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:02 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Where are these places? > Hi Chris > > Re: 'Over Germany' > > Have you looked at the original image of the Census on Scotlands People? > 'Over Germany' looks like an Ancestry transcription! Some Ancestry > transcriptions of the Scottish censuses are from another dimension. I > think > they must have been done in a great hurry, without the application of > common > sense and without any controls to try to ensure accuracy. > > Rhoda >

Hi Chris Re: 'Over Germany' Have you looked at the original image of the Census on Scotlands People? 'Over Germany' looks like an Ancestry transcription! Some Ancestry transcriptions of the Scottish censuses are from another dimension. I think they must have been done in a great hurry, without the application of common sense and without any controls to try to ensure accuracy. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christopher Holt" <cwholt24@gmail.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2010 2:09 PM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Where are these places? > Hello list, > > > Where/what is OVER GERMANY? > The man I suspect is my direct ancestor, in the 1841 Scottish Census, > lived within Coupar Angus parish at "Over Germany". Where or what happened > to this place? >

Hello list, Where/what is CORLANRY / CORLANNY / CORLAMY? I found this locale while examining a will/testament for one John Duncan (died at sea, Sept 1838). This man's brother, James, I believe is my direct ancestor. The other siblings (including the decedent) lived at Welltown of Balbrogie at/near the Mill of Peattie (within Coupar Angus parish apparently) which I've got a much better handle on. Where/what is OVER GERMANY? The man I suspect is my direct ancestor, in the 1841 Scottish Census, lived within Coupar Angus parish at "Over Germany". Where or what happened to this place? Incidentally, this family includes: Father: Patrick Duncan Mother: Jean Pirnie John Duncan (died 1838) James Duncan (died between 1841-1851?) Jean Duncan (died 1871) William Duncan (died aft. 1871) Margaret Duncan (died 1805) I'm absolutely stumped! Thank you for any suggestions or guidance. Chris Michigan -- www.holtmusic.com

In Scottish church records, I have found individuals recorded sometimes as Peter and sometimes as Patrick, so he could well be your man. M Robinson.

I am researching descendants of James Arnot & Janet Mitchell (or Mittchill) who married 1743 Trinity Gask Perthshire, Their children - James 1748; Janet 1751: William 1753: Thomas 1755 were all born/christened at Trinity Gask whilst Alexander 1760 & Patrick 1762 were b/c at Madderty Perthshire. Research indicates mother Janet Mitchell (Mittchill) was herself b/c at Madderty dau of John Mitchell (Mittchill) but her mother name not shown on Madderty OPR, I am looking to prove up the marriage 25 April 1790 Madderty (OPR M1123782) of a Peter Arnot to a Mary Campble (Campbell) was Patrick Arnot b/c 1762 Madderty.s/o James Arnot/Janet Mitchell (Mittchill). Would appreciate list comment whether the first name PATRICK is/was usually interchangeable in local Perthshire/Scottish usage as PETER. thanks, Rex Arnott, Tasmania.

Hi Margaret, I'm searching for Janet Carmichael who married John Robertson in 1802 at Logieraite. Alistair Bell. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marg Thompson" <margthom@xcelco.on.ca> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2010 2:44 PM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] CARMICHAEL > Hi List, > > Thought I would try posting this again in the hope that someone may know > something. > > I have reached a dead end with my Carmichael's that were from Kenmore, > Perthshire. > > Easter Tulloch I think is part of Kenmore parish... anyway... hoping that > someone out there can fill in some blanks... > > I do have some of the census but am missing birth and marriage dates for > the older ones and don't seem to be able to even find them on Scotland's > People...yet.. > > Archibald CARMICHAEL & Janet MacLAREN are as far back as I have > gotten but no dates... > > As far as I have found they had two children Duncan & Janet... > > Duncan b. 28 Mar. 1784 married Jean MACKENZIE and they had 3 > children; > Archibald b. 5 May 1821 > Duncan b. 14 Feb. 1824 married Christian Scott & Christina McIntyre > Peter b. 13 Jul 1826 married Janet Donaldson > > I do have children for Duncan & his two wives but only spouse for the > child Archibald who is my grandfather... > > Duncan & Christina had a daughter called TIna and apparently she married > an Englishman (Alf Heffer) and stayed at South End on Sea...they had a > daughter named Florrie who married a George and they emigrated to a > suburb of Chicago Ill. in the early 1950's... > > Anthing strike a bell??? > > Margaret (Carmichael) Thompson > Ontario, Canada > > Anyone searching out these particular Carmichael's? > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.819 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2863 - Release Date: 05/09/10 07:26:00

Hi List, Thought I would try posting this again in the hope that someone may know something. I have reached a dead end with my Carmichael's that were from Kenmore, Perthshire. Easter Tulloch I think is part of Kenmore parish... anyway... hoping that someone out there can fill in some blanks... I do have some of the census but am missing birth and marriage dates for the older ones and don't seem to be able to even find them on Scotland's People...yet.. Archibald CARMICHAEL & Janet MacLAREN are as far back as I have gotten but no dates... As far as I have found they had two children Duncan & Janet... Duncan b. 28 Mar. 1784 married Jean MACKENZIE and they had 3 children; Archibald b. 5 May 1821 Duncan b. 14 Feb. 1824 married Christian Scott & Christina McIntyre Peter b. 13 Jul 1826 married Janet Donaldson I do have children for Duncan & his two wives but only spouse for the child Archibald who is my grandfather... Duncan & Christina had a daughter called TIna and apparently she married an Englishman (Alf Heffer) and stayed at South End on Sea...they had a daughter named Florrie who married a George and they emigrated to a suburb of Chicago Ill. in the early 1950's... Anthing strike a bell??? Margaret (Carmichael) Thompson Ontario, Canada Anyone searching out these particular Carmichael's?

Just to add - one of my lot enrolled with Breadalbane's Fencibles in Perth in 1797 - the records, including muster rolls, are annoyingly split between NAS (in the Breadalbane Muniments) and the National Archives at Kew. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] PERTHSHIRE Militia sources > ** The publication "Some Scottish Sources on Militias, Fencibles and > Volunteers, 1790-1830" by Arnold Morrison, contains some details for > Perthshire: > 1. Perth & Kinross Council Archives, Perth, have household returns of > men liable for militia for the burgh of Perth > 2. Aplications, vouchers, receipts and accounts of monies paid to > ndependents of men in the Perthshire Militia 1800, 1803, 1809, 1821. > 3. Records of Royal Strathearn Volunteers, Atholl Volunteer light > infantry and Breadalbane Volunteers. > Perth Museum holds: Minutes of the Tibbermuir Militia Society, > 1805-1831; Diary of Thomas Muire of Perth on movements of Perthshire > Milita, 1798-1801. > Listed in the National Register of Archives (Scotland), among the > Drummond-Hay of Seggieden papers (List 0338) are Perthshire Milita > Papers 1809-1815. > > The small book "Militia Lists and Musters, 1757-1876" by Jeremy Gibson > and Mervyn Medlicott (Pub. Federation of Family History Societies) has > several pages of Scottish material, NOT arranged by county, but I > noticed that the National Archives at Kew have some Perthshire material, > as has the Black Watch Museum at Perth. > > Hope this assists. > Gordon Johnson. > > > On 08/05/2010 05:03, Kaye wrote: >> Does anyone know if there is a way to find information on those in the >> Perthshire Militias. I have a fourth great grandfather who was in the >> Militia >> in 1790's and was married at Holy Rude Church at Stirling. His name was >> John Shewster and he married an Isabella Beanstone or Benston. I have >> not >> been able to find any muster rolls. Any help would be appreciated. >> Kaye >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

** The publication "Some Scottish Sources on Militias, Fencibles and Volunteers, 1790-1830" by Arnold Morrison, contains some details for Perthshire: 1. Perth & Kinross Council Archives, Perth, have household returns of men liable for militia for the burgh of Perth 2. Aplications, vouchers, receipts and accounts of monies paid to ndependents of men in the Perthshire Militia 1800, 1803, 1809, 1821. 3. Records of Royal Strathearn Volunteers, Atholl Volunteer light infantry and Breadalbane Volunteers. Perth Museum holds: Minutes of the Tibbermuir Militia Society, 1805-1831; Diary of Thomas Muire of Perth on movements of Perthshire Milita, 1798-1801. Listed in the National Register of Archives (Scotland), among the Drummond-Hay of Seggieden papers (List 0338) are Perthshire Milita Papers 1809-1815. The small book "Militia Lists and Musters, 1757-1876" by Jeremy Gibson and Mervyn Medlicott (Pub. Federation of Family History Societies) has several pages of Scottish material, NOT arranged by county, but I noticed that the National Archives at Kew have some Perthshire material, as has the Black Watch Museum at Perth. Hope this assists. Gordon Johnson. On 08/05/2010 05:03, Kaye wrote: > Does anyone know if there is a way to find information on those in the > Perthshire Militias. I have a fourth great grandfather who was in the Militia > in 1790's and was married at Holy Rude Church at Stirling. His name was > John Shewster and he married an Isabella Beanstone or Benston. I have not > been able to find any muster rolls. Any help would be appreciated. > Kaye >

See http://scottishancestry.blogspot.com/2010/03/more-perthshire-militia-records-online.html Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: <CEHAUGHEE@aol.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2010 3:01 AM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Royal Malitia > Does anyone know if there is a way to find information on those in the > Perthshire Militias. I have a fourth great grandfather who was in the > Militia > in 1790's and was married at Holy Rude Church at Stirling. His name was > John Shewster and he married an Isabella Beanstone or Benston. I have > not > been able to find any muster rolls. Any help would be appreciated. > Kaye > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

may i thank you both for the link but also for creating the website. mary In a message dated 5/7/2010 8:40:27 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, christopherpaton@tiscali.co.uk writes: http://scottishancestry.blogspot.com/2010/03/more-perthshire-militia-records -online.html

Kaye, I have the same family, through Jane Shewster to my Hay Powrie. I have a professional who gets stuff for me at the NAS, I found the Scottish regiments are housed in Kew, England after 1763, except the militia which I've seen discussed before and those emails would be in our archives. I save especially good emails as individuals in my database under militia, fuar, wills, royal burghs, etc. I have this under Forfar militia. I don't understand the odd date as it didn't happen at the union, 1707 which would makes more sence It puts my references in my database as an easy place to go back and review. Just an idea for others. _http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=O40911_ (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/nra/searches/subjectView.asp?ID=O40911) shows what's in the NAS. D Since I have a professional "on staff" I'd be willing to ask him to look into his records on my dime. He checks out whatever I need between visits. I'd be curious if there are more Powries. Scope c1794-1820: Royal Perthshire Militia papers Repository _Blair Castle_ (http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/archon/searches/locresult_details.asp?LR=2137) Record Reference bundles 255, 274-335, vols 522, 832 etc NRA catalogue reference NRA 11000 Stewart-Murray Subj: Re: [tay-valley-bridges] " GONE FOR SOLDIERS": FORFAR MILITIA & ANGUS-SHIRE FENCIBLES Date: 9/24/03 2:30:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: _angel.vinas@skynet.be_ (mailto:angel.vinas@skynet.be) (Angel Vinas) Reply-to: _tay-valley-bridges@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:tay-valley-bridges@yahoogroups.com) To: _tay-valley-bridges@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:tay-valley-bridges@yahoogroups.com) Stewart [gave] the reference: "1798 Forfarshire, or 8th North British Militia raised at Montrose" ... I'm researching David MATHER, Montrose. On the Craig OPR (marriages) he is shown as "soldier, Fencibles, Capt. in Douglass Company". I'm aware that the Fencibles were disbanded in the early 1800s. My question is this: Would the 8th North British Military raised at Montrose have replaced the Angus-shire Fencibles? Dorothy Mather No 4382 Dorothy, As I understand it the Militia and the Fencibles were different animals, although the purpose of both was home defence. The Fencible Regiments were raised (usually) by local landowners, but their members were full-time regular soldiers. The Militia involved a (limited) form of military service enforced by the state. Militia regiments (which had long existed in England) were introduced for the first time in Scotland in 1798, in the context of the Napoleonic Wars and the perceived threat of invasion. They were raised by a procedure which involved the drawing up of lists of eligible men in each parish. From each parish list a much smaller number of men were chosen by ballot to actually train and serve in the County Militia (in Scotland most Militia Regiments were drawn from at least two Counties) . Certain categories of men were exempt, and it was possible to provide/pay for a substitute. The age range of men eligible for the Militia Ballot was initially 19-23, but was later extended first to 18-30, then 18-45 . The passing of the Scottish Militia Act in 1797 engendered fierce popular opposition. Kenneth Logue's "Popular Disturbances in Scotland 1780-1815" (Edinburgh: John Donald, 1979), includes a chapter on "The Militia Riots (pp. 75-115), in which he explains some of the pros and cons of the two forces: "[The Fencibles] had the advantage of being permanently on service and ready for action, but the disadvantage, as far as the Government was concerned, of having to be paid on that basis"... "[The Militia] was a force which, when necessary, could be embodied and put on active service quickly, which could be used in any part of Great Britain, and which while it was largely administered by the county was under the control of the central authorities..." (p. 76). There is also a relevant article by J.R. Western entitled "The formation of the Scottish Militia in 1797" in "The Scottish Historical Review", Vol XXXIV, No, 117, April 1955. (I have both of these if you want more on this). According to the very-useful website of "Land Forces of Britain, the Empire and Commonwealth" at _www.regiments.org/milhist/uk_ (http://www.regiments.org/milhist/uk) , which Stewart kindly drew my attention to, The Angus-shire Fencibles were disbanded in 1802 (the year when all surviving fencible regiments disbanded). Returning to your question whether the Militia replaced the Fencibles, this is perhaps partly answered in Western's article: "Before the Militia [embodied in 1798] was fully trained, the danger of invasion which had called it into being had passed..... Its formation however, made possible the disbanding of those Fencible regiments whose service was still confined to Scotland. Many well trained men entered the Line from these regiments and thus indirectly, the Scottish Militia released other forces for offensive action." (p.17) Hope this helps! Helen Boreland-Vinas No 4049 thanks to Helen, Gavin, Ian and all my other resources, for those excellent informative emails on subjects like these. Mary in Oregon In a message dated 5/7/2010 7:01:58 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, CEHAUGHEE@aol.com writes: Does anyone know if there is a way to find information on those in the Perthshire Militias. I have a fourth great grandfather who was in the Militia in 1790's and was married at Holy Rude Church at Stirling. His name was John Shewster and he married an Isabella Beanstone or Benston. I have not been able to find any muster rolls. Any help would be appreciated. Kaye ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message