Hi all thanks for your help yes I did do both Scotlands people & IGI. several times - OPR & statistical, wills & censuses. my main query was that I had wondered if Alexander was interchangeable with Duncan, as Alexander does not appear again, but Duncan, Peter, Finlay & the younger girls appear in the census1841 &/or 1851. I had also considered that Janet (1826) might be known as Christian (c1826). unfortunately all I have found is James Brown m Janet McGrigor 1805 (later births McGregor) Cirsty Brown b 1806 Kincardine by Doune Daniel Brown b 1808 Kincardine by Doune John Brown b 1810 Kincardine by Doune m Janet Manifold James Brown b 1813 Kincardine by Doune m Janet McKenzie Peter Brown b1815 Callander m Janet Stewart Alexander Brown b 1820 Callander Finlay Brown b 1822 Callander Janet Brown b 1826 Doune Margaret Brown b 1830 Doune I have OPR copies for all these events. Christian Brown b c 1826 (census) I also have info for John 1810, James 1813, Peter 1815, all with the help of SP. I found info on the births of James' children that helped me with John & Peter, & more recently found info from John's death which helped with Duncan. (which helped to add them in). I have built up families for them. Still trying to find John'wife death (1852-9), but that's another mystery... I will do the parish searches that have been suggested, by Iain & Chris. thanks Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Iain Kennedy" <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:13 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > > Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction > of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential > children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they > all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents marriage > for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a > recorded marriage. > > Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) to > zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. > > Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to > make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. > > You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. > > Iain Kennedy > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz >> To: perthshire@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 >> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander >> >> Hi >> >> I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his >> mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a >> witness in his brothers death, in 1859. >> He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. >> >> I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & Finlay >> b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the >> family. >> >> Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would >> interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like >> Janet-Jessie-Jean). >> >> thanks >> Jan (NZ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Jan, I have some Mclarens who I believe are oridginally from Callander but moved too Kilmadock/Doune and John McLaren my ggg grandfather married Mary Brown, one of their Daughters Jane came to NZ with her elder sister Grace and Graces Husband William Smeaton in about 1884.. Jane married John Perfect in Napier and settle in Woodville NZ.. do any of these names ring a bell with yours. Wayne > Hi Ryk > > thanks, will have a look for these. > > My McGrigor family seems to originate fron Ruid na Craig/ Ruinacraig > (Ruidnacraig), Balquhidder (Janet's family), but can't get further as her > baptism 1784, could be the one which, badly damaged has "J"& sex depending > on where you look as unknown or male. Her death cert 1872 (age 90) has > parents as John McGrigor& Christian (Christina) Mclaren (m 1783 OPR). Have > pieced together a family for them also. > > Jan > > ----- >

Hi I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a witness in his brothers death, in 1859. He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & Finlay b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the family. Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like Janet-Jessie-Jean). thanks Jan (NZ)

Jan, You should be able to find all your answers on Scotlands People. It's a pay site, and should only cost a couple of dollars. But you can't expect people to pay to do a lookup for you. Either his marriage or death record should show age, birthplace and parents. You may find an entry for him or one of his brothers and sisters on IGI, but you've neglected to give his mother's name. Peter

Oops, yes I did forget to answer the second part of your question. No, Duncan and Alexander are definitely NOT interchangeable names. In rare cases I have seen David used as a substitute name for Duncan and Alan for Alexander, but these are both very rare. But Duncan and Alexander are definitely not interchangeable. If your Alexander is not found in later census records then I would suggest he either died young or emigrated. If you're interested in more information on common substitute names please refer to my article here: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/principal_families.htm#Glossary_of_Gaelic_Nicknames (Make sure you have the whole url on one line with no '>', spaces, or line breaks interrupting it as the Rootsweb listserver tends to break long lines of text. If you can't get that link to work then try this shorter one: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~rykbrown/principal_families.htm And then click on "Glossary of Gaelic Nicknames" in the table of contents on the web page. Again, you still have to have the whole url on one line for the link to work (starting with http...and ending with ".htm" with no '>', spaces, or line breaks interrupting it. One substitute name you will want to be aware of us Daniel as a substitute for Donald. Your James Brown had an eldest son named Daniel. That means James' father's name was likely Daniel/Donald Brown. If they were from Kincardine, you should check to see where in Kincardine. Chances are very good they probably lived on the Drummond Moss. (Drummond Moss properties can be recognized by names that end in "lane" or "line".) If so, then there was a thorough census of that property conducted in 1814. We have a copy of it here: http://www.chuckspeed.com/balquhidder/history/Blair_Drummond_Moss_Census_1814.htm I note a family at Kirk Lane #1 headed by a John & Christian Brown with an eldest son named Donald and the former possessor is named "Donald Brown". The family came previously from Balquhidder parish where your family previously came from. This looks like the right age to be a brother for your James, but you'd have to dig further to know for sure. Also Kirk Lane #4 looks promising: Donald Brown age 64 (possibly the same Donald Brown who formerly possessed Kirk Lane #1) and his wife Janett McNab with a son James, age 33 years, formerly from Balquhidder. This would be about the same time your family moved from Kincardine to Callander, so it could be that James was back with his parents working on the Moss while his wife and children were living in Callander. Just speculating, but it fits. But I note the mother's name is also an onomastic match with your Browns. Lots of coincidences matching here. Indeed, looking a little further, the only James Brown son of Donald/Daniel born anywhere in Perthshire (in the IGI) within +/-20 years of yours comes from this very family: Donald/Daniel Brown and Jannet McNab, Marriage: 22 MAR 1779 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 1. JAMES BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 14 APR 1780 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 2. CHIRSTAN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 20 JAN 1782 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 3. JOHN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 31 MAY 1784 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 4. MARGARET BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 31 DEC 1786 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 5. JOHN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: FEB 1789 Comrie, Perth, Scotland 6. CATHARINE BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Female Christening: 20 AUG 1791 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland 7. DUNCAN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 16 MAR 1794 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland 8. DUNCAN BROWN - International Genealogical Index Gender: Male Christening: 04 SEP 1796 Kincardine By Doune, Perth, Scotland It's an absolute perfect match for yours. That's certainly far from proof, but I'd say its a pretty likely candidate, especially given the fact that they migrated to Kincardine ca. 1790. For your McGregors: Ruinacraig/Runacraig/Ruidhnacraig/Ruidh na Craig (per your other message) is located about midway up Strathyre on the northeast shore of Loch Lubnaig. In 1815 the senior tenant was a family of Stewarts from the Balquhidder clan. FYI - McGregor and McGrigor can be considered synonymous. The spelling difference is not significant. I would be interested in knowing more about Peter Brown and Janet Stewart. I may be able to shed some light on Janet's origins. Hope that's helpful. Ryk ----- Original Message ----- From: "rusty york" <rusty_york@xtra.co.nz> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > Hi all > > thanks for your help > > yes I did do both Scotlands people & IGI. several times - OPR & > statistical, > wills & censuses. > > my main query was that I had wondered if Alexander was interchangeable > with > Duncan, as Alexander does not appear again, but Duncan, Peter, Finlay & > the > younger girls appear in the census1841 &/or 1851. I had also considered > that > Janet (1826) might be known as Christian (c1826). > > unfortunately all I have found is > James Brown m Janet McGrigor 1805 (later births McGregor) > Cirsty Brown b 1806 Kincardine by Doune > Daniel Brown b 1808 Kincardine by Doune > John Brown b 1810 Kincardine by Doune m Janet Manifold > James Brown b 1813 Kincardine by Doune m Janet McKenzie > Peter Brown b1815 Callander m Janet Stewart > Alexander Brown b 1820 Callander > Finlay Brown b 1822 Callander > Janet Brown b 1826 Doune > Margaret Brown b 1830 Doune > I have OPR copies for all these events. > Christian Brown b c 1826 (census) > > I also have info for John 1810, James 1813, Peter 1815, all with the help > of > SP. > I found info on the births of James' children that helped me with John & > Peter, & more recently found info from John's death which helped with > Duncan. (which helped to add them in). I have built up families for them. > Still trying to find John'wife death (1852-9), but that's another > mystery... > > I will do the parish searches that have been suggested, by Iain & Chris. > > thanks > Jan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Iain Kennedy" <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> > To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, August 20, 2010 12:13 AM > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > > >> >> Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction >> of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential >> children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they >> all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents >> marriage >> for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a >> recorded marriage. >> >> Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) >> to >> zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. >> >> Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to >> make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. >> >> You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. >> >> Iain Kennedy >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.kennedydna.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz >>> To: perthshire@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 >>> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his >>> mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a >>> witness in his brothers death, in 1859. >>> He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. >>> >>> I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & >>> Finlay >>> b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the >>> family. >>> >>> Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would >>> interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like >>> Janet-Jessie-Jean). >>> >>> thanks >>> Jan (NZ) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Having done a lot of work with Callander parish records over the years for our Stewarts my observations are that the Callander OPR itself is incomplete with several years missing. There was also a very active Anglican church community around Glen Finglas and Loch Venacher, so many baptisms from this area are Anglican, not C of S. However the C of S parish church in Callander did copy many of the Anglican baptisms into its own parish register during the mid-18th century. But you would be wise to search for Anglican records for other years. Furthermore we have found than many of the settlements around Loch Katrine in Upper Strathgartney were so far distant from the parish church in Callander that the residents just couldn't be bothered to travel that far for baptisms so we have found that for families at the far west end of the parish there are frequently huge gaps in the family baptisms. We have found with rural Callander families it is often necessary to reconstruct the families from other records and merely estimate some births. Ryk Brown Stewarts of Balquhidder Research Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Paton" <christopherpaton@tiscali.co.uk> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > The IGI is less complete than ScotlandsPeople when it comes to Church of > Scotland records (and has no extracted Scottish Catholic parish records), > but it does also hold some non-Church of Scotland extracted index entries > for some dissenting Presbyterian parishes. Hugh Wallis's site shows these > on > the Scottish batch numbers page, but it is only a handful. > > It's worth exploring the Statistical Index for Callander and surrounding > parishes to see what other denominations were in the area, as he may not > have been necessarily Church of Scotland. See > http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/sas.asp?action=public&passback= If > he > wasn't Church of Scotland you may need to check other parish records at > the > NAS in Edinburgh - most non Church of Scotland denominations for that > period > are under CH3. He may also simply not have been baptised! > > On the IGI, it's worth noting that you can also search this using the > Scots > Origins site without needing to know batch numbers - see > www.originsnetwork.com/SOWelcome.aspx for separate search screens for > baptisms and marriages. > > Chris > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Iain Kennedy" <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:13 PM > To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> > Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > >> >> Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction >> of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential >> children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they >> all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents >> marriage >> for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a >> recorded marriage. >> >> Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) >> to >> zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. >> >> Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to >> make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. >> >> You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. >> >> Iain Kennedy >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.kennedydna.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------------------------------------- >>> From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz >>> To: perthshire@rootsweb.com >>> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 >>> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his >>> mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a >>> witness in his brothers death, in 1859. >>> He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. >>> >>> I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & >>> Finlay >>> b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the >>> family. >>> >>> Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would >>> interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like >>> Janet-Jessie-Jean). >>> >>> thanks >>> Jan (NZ) >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The IGI is less complete than ScotlandsPeople when it comes to Church of Scotland records (and has no extracted Scottish Catholic parish records), but it does also hold some non-Church of Scotland extracted index entries for some dissenting Presbyterian parishes. Hugh Wallis's site shows these on the Scottish batch numbers page, but it is only a handful. It's worth exploring the Statistical Index for Callander and surrounding parishes to see what other denominations were in the area, as he may not have been necessarily Church of Scotland. See http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/sas/sas.asp?action=public&passback= If he wasn't Church of Scotland you may need to check other parish records at the NAS in Edinburgh - most non Church of Scotland denominations for that period are under CH3. He may also simply not have been baptised! On the IGI, it's worth noting that you can also search this using the Scots Origins site without needing to know batch numbers - see www.originsnetwork.com/SOWelcome.aspx for separate search screens for baptisms and marriages. Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Iain Kennedy" <ikennedy_msdn2@hotmail.com> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 1:13 PM To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > > Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction > of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential > children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they > all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents marriage > for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a > recorded marriage. > > Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) to > zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. > > Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to > make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. > > You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. > > Iain Kennedy > > > > > > http://www.kennedydna.com > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------- >> From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz >> To: perthshire@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 >> Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander >> >> Hi >> >> I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his >> mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a >> witness in his brothers death, in 1859. >> He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. >> >> I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & Finlay >> b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the >> family. >> >> Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would >> interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like >> Janet-Jessie-Jean). >> >> thanks >> Jan (NZ) >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Have you experimented with familysearch.org to get a crude reconstruction of the family? You can do a children search to get all the potential children of James Brown and Janet McGregor, then try to work out if they all belong to the same parents. There is only one visible parents marriage for those two, but it could still be two families with only one having a recorded marriage. Also you can always use the Hugh Wallis IGI Batch interface (google it) to zoom in on a particular parish like Callander. Remember though that ScotlandsPeople is more complete than the IGI and to make sure with the latter that you are looking at church extract records. You should end up with more children than those you mentioned. Iain Kennedy http://www.kennedydna.com ---------------------------------------- > From: rusty_york@xtra.co.nz > To: perthshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 22:31:41 +1200 > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] BROWN Duncan bc 1817 Callander > > Hi > > I have found Duncan BROWN bc 1817 in Callander. I found him with his mother & family in the 1841 census, & again in later censuses, also as a witness in his brothers death, in 1859. > He died in Glasgow 1897 @80. > > I cannot, however, find his birth, I have found Alexander b 1820 & Finlay b 1822. nothing much else, other than Finlay in 1841 census with the family. > > Is someone able to advise please if Duncan is a name that would interchange with Alexander or any other name? (as in something like Janet-Jessie-Jean). > > thanks > Jan (NZ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bounced back, so trying again! -----Original Message----- From: Dorothy Gaunt [mailto:gauntd@paradise.net.nz] Sent: Wednesday, 18 August 2010 9:05 a.m. To: 'perthshire@rootsweb.com' Subject: Kathleen Ogg-Duff - off topic Hi Kathy Forgive what may be an odd question, but I was wondering if you are the Kathleen Ogg who lived in Te Aroha, New Zealand, for a short time in the 1960s? I think she had a twin sister, Hilary. If it is indeed you, I wouldn't expect you to remember me - I was a couple of years ahead of you, but have always had an interest in other people which probably explains my fascination with genealogy! Warm regards Dorothy nee Clark Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Duff house Bridge of Allan Kathy

John Doig & Margaret Lindsay were married on 22/11/1872 at the Duff house in Bridge of Allan. I have a photo of a woman taken at the same place around the same time. As this photo ended up among Duff photos in Canada, I expect this woman is probably a relative. Who lived in the Duff house in Bridge of Allan at this time? Thank you for any help forthcoming. Kathy

Thank you very much to everyone that replied to my enquiry, I am very very greatly for all your help. Kindest regards Linda Australia

Hi, I'm posting this in hope someone may be able to shed some light on a few area's my ancestors lived. I am researching the WILSON family that lived mostly in Blairgowrie. In the 1851 Scotland Census records my ancestor David WILSON and family were living at: Gothens, Lethendy, Perthshire. His occupation is noted as - Farmer of 150 Acres with 3 Labourers. In the 1861 census the address remains the same and occupation is still Farmer, although now of 130 Acres, 3 Labourers and 1 boy. At the time of the 1871 census David and his then second wife were living at 25 Allan St Blairgowrie and occupation was Merchant Grocery Spirits. I can't seem to find any information on "Gothens" and would love to know if this was possibly the name of the farm, something to do with the landholder????? The second area of question relates to David's son James WILSON. At the time of the 1881 census, James and his wife and children were residing at: Marlee Inn, Blairgowrie. His occupation is: Innkeeper Farmer of 65 Acres of which 50 arable employing 2 men. Again I have not been able to find any information surrounding the Marlee Inn? Thirdly still relates to James WILSON and his wife Marjory and children. At the time of the 1891 census, the family was living at: Hillbarns Farm House, Blairgowrie. The 1901 census shows the family still residing at this address. James is not listed in the 1891 census as he died in 1888 the address is on the parish register for his death. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards Linda Australia

Hi, I'm posting this in hope someone may be able to shed some light on a few area's my ancestors lived. I am researching the WILSON family that lived mostly in Blairgowrie. In the 1851 Scotland Census records my ancestor David WILSON and family were living at: Gothens, Lethendy, Perthshire. His occupation is noted as - Farmer of 150 Acres with 3 Labourers. In the 1861 census the address remains the same and occupation is still Farmer, although now of 130 Acres, 3 Labourers and 1 boy. At the time of the 1871 census David and his then second wife were living at 25 Allan St Blairgowrie and occupation was Merchant Grocery Spirits. I can't seem to find any information on "Gothens" and would love to know if this was possibly the name of the farm, something to do with the landholder????? The second area of question relates to David's son James WILSON. At the time of the 1881 census, James and his wife and children were residing at: Marlee Inn, Blairgowrie. His occupation is: Innkeeper Farmer of 65 Acres of which 50 arable employing 2 men. Again I have not been able to find any information surrounding the Marlee Inn? Thirdly still relates to James WILSON and his wife Marjory and children. At the time of the 1891 census, the family was living at: Hillbarns Farm House, Blairgowrie. The 1901 census shows the family still residing at this address. James is not listed in the 1891 census as he died in 1888 the address is on the parish register for his death. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards Linda Australia

I'm not going to get into any "I've been researching longer than you" contest. I will just say that among our Stewart families in the parishes of Balquhidder, Comrie, Callander, Kilmadock and Kincardine by Doune, I have seen several examples of Janets using Jean or Jane as an alternative. I have also seen Jessie as a nickname for Janet in about equal ration to Jean/Jane. However, I have NOT seen any example of Jean/Jane AND Jessie BOTH being used as a substitute for Janet with the same person. I've seen one or the other, but not both. Ryk Brown Stewarts of Balquhidder Research Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gordon Johnson" <gordon@kinhelp.co.uk> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2010 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Janet or Jane > ** Well, I have been researching for longer than that, and I have > never encountered a Jessie whose alternative name was Jane or Jean. > That is not to say that some clerk might have in error written down the > wrong name! The OPRs have many errors caused by session clerks or > ministers being forgetful. > Gordon. > > > On 14/08/2010 08:00, Yvonne wrote: >> It has always been Janet = Jane = Jean = Jessie > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

** Well, I have been researching for longer than that, and I have never encountered a Jessie whose alternative name was Jane or Jean. That is not to say that some clerk might have in error written down the wrong name! The OPRs have many errors caused by session clerks or ministers being forgetful. Gordon. On 14/08/2010 08:00, Yvonne wrote: > It has always been Janet = Jane = Jean = Jessie

On modern maps there is a Nether Gothens just north-east of Meiklour/south-west of Blairgowrie (map ref NO 1723 4060) just off the A93. There are a number of Marlee locations just west of Blairgowrie on the A923. Louise On 14 August 2010 12:59, J Moon <jmoon@talktalk.net> wrote: > Hi Linda, > > Use this link to see an old map of Perthshire. Magnify the image and find > Blairgowrie. Just to the SW is Lethendy. I can see Godends which sounds > suspiciously like Gothends! > > > http://www.nls.uk/maps/joins/view/?rsid=74400313&sid=74400314&mid=664&pdesc= > North East section > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Linda > Sent: 14 August 2010 12:10 > To: PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Farms and locations in Blairgowrie > > > > Hi, > > I'm posting this in hope someone may be able to shed some light on a few > area's my ancestors lived. I am researching the WILSON family that lived > mostly in Blairgowrie. In the 1851 Scotland Census records my ancestor > David > WILSON and family were living at: Gothens, Lethendy, Perthshire. His > occupation is noted as - Farmer of 150 Acres with 3 Labourers. In the 1861 > census the address remains the same and occupation is still Farmer, > although > now of 130 Acres, 3 Labourers and 1 boy. At the time of the 1871 census > David and his then second wife were living at 25 Allan St Blairgowrie and > occupation was Merchant Grocery Spirits. > > I can't seem to find any information on "Gothens" and would love to know if > this was possibly the name of the farm, something to do with the > landholder????? > > The second area of question relates to David's son James WILSON. At the > time > of the 1881 census, James and his wife and children were residing at: > Marlee > Inn, Blairgowrie. His occupation is: Innkeeper Farmer of 65 Acres of which > 50 arable employing 2 men. Again I have not been able to find any > information surrounding the Marlee Inn? > > Thirdly still relates to James WILSON and his wife Marjory and children. At > the time of the 1891 census, the family was living at: Hillbarns Farm > House, > Blairgowrie. The 1901 census shows the family still residing at this > address. James is not listed in the 1891 census as he died in 1888 the > address is on the parish register for his death. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > Kindest regards > Linda > Australia > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

_http://www.curiousfox.com/history_S/perthshire_2.html_ (http://www.curiousfox.com/history_S/perthshire_2.html) surnames search for by parish _http://www.perthshire.co.uk/index.asp?lm=70_ (http://www.perthshire.co.uk/index.asp?lm=70) Blairgowrie Family history Society, not a member of the Association of Scottish Family History Societies.they don't have a website, but you will seldom find such help. They found living relatives, to meet on my next trip (you need to give them a couple weeks or longer). It is one of my favorite villages, due to it's charm. Some just have such a character! Not to miss the largest berry region, if you time your visit just right! _http://www.safhs.org.uk/SAFHS_Links.asp_ (http://www.safhs.org.uk/SAFHS_Links.asp) Association of Scottish Family History Societies links take you from one FHS to another. Sometimes a publication produced by one, helps in another, I have it as a fav, as "goodies" and news on projects in process change all the time. _http://www.ffhs.org.uk/_ (http://www.ffhs.org.uk/) federation of UK FHS. Sometimes going up, east or west helps,many societies carried the whole of Scotland not just a region. Books on trades, old pictures of villages, general help understanding how an ancestor lived, back in the day. I apologize for writing what sounds like a "newbie" email,but I found a book on Fergus from 1850, I could not find in Ontario or in Canada, sitting in the Aberdeen and North East FHS. Fergus is the sister city of Blairgowrie, because two barristers, sold their estates, and bought 6,000 acres in Ontario, and moved former tennants and themselves (over 300 Scots en masse) and hired craftsmen of all sort, and promised to build a mill,church and school, which they kept. Anyway the point is, even if most of your rellies lived in perthshire, a book in the Fife FHS, could have a book on watchmakers, or fishermen, the ordnance maps from the era of the 1841/1851 census. don't over look places like abertay historical society and the Scottish genealogical society. Look on the RCAHMS and Scran for old photos of places. I've found parish churches no longer with us. The Royal Commission on anceint and historical monuments of Scotland, you have to register, but there is no cost. SCRAN you can see thumbnails without a subscription, but it's worth the money about 25 pounds a year, to see all the museum's holdings and they are adding documents from archives. How does one find a schedule of common ridings, to plan for a vacation? When is the heather in bloom? Mary in Oregon _http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/301536_ (http://www.geograph.org.uk/p hoto/301536) there are many pictures on the web, as it's a B and B. Always do a global search, and hit images, and look for websites. images, video, web, news _http://www.geograph.org.uk/_ (http://www.geograph.org.uk/) this is a great website, new to me. Every one of us is on the same learning curve, so you can just keep growing! In a message dated 8/14/2010 7:40:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, montanaokie@gmail.com writes: One of the links that I have been having fun with is using http://www.vpike com/ and putting the census address in. Even after all these years, some addresses are still the same. I found the farm where my great grandmother was born and it is even still called Loanhead Farm. Yes, it is still the same place. I have a photo of the house and it matches the one that is currently there. Kathie In Montana ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Linda, Use this link to see an old map of Perthshire. Magnify the image and find Blairgowrie. Just to the SW is Lethendy. I can see Godends which sounds suspiciously like Gothends! http://www.nls.uk/maps/joins/view/?rsid=74400313&sid=74400314&mid=664&pdesc= North East section John -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of Linda Sent: 14 August 2010 12:10 To: PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Farms and locations in Blairgowrie Hi, I'm posting this in hope someone may be able to shed some light on a few area's my ancestors lived. I am researching the WILSON family that lived mostly in Blairgowrie. In the 1851 Scotland Census records my ancestor David WILSON and family were living at: Gothens, Lethendy, Perthshire. His occupation is noted as - Farmer of 150 Acres with 3 Labourers. In the 1861 census the address remains the same and occupation is still Farmer, although now of 130 Acres, 3 Labourers and 1 boy. At the time of the 1871 census David and his then second wife were living at 25 Allan St Blairgowrie and occupation was Merchant Grocery Spirits. I can't seem to find any information on "Gothens" and would love to know if this was possibly the name of the farm, something to do with the landholder????? The second area of question relates to David's son James WILSON. At the time of the 1881 census, James and his wife and children were residing at: Marlee Inn, Blairgowrie. His occupation is: Innkeeper Farmer of 65 Acres of which 50 arable employing 2 men. Again I have not been able to find any information surrounding the Marlee Inn? Thirdly still relates to James WILSON and his wife Marjory and children. At the time of the 1891 census, the family was living at: Hillbarns Farm House, Blairgowrie. The 1901 census shows the family still residing at this address. James is not listed in the 1891 census as he died in 1888 the address is on the parish register for his death. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Kindest regards Linda Australia ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

One of the links that I have been having fun with is using http://www.vpike com/ and putting the census address in. Even after all these years, some addresses are still the same. I found the farm where my great grandmother was born and it is even still called Loanhead Farm. Yes, it is still the same place. I have a photo of the house and it matches the one that is currently there.  Kathie In Montana

It has always been Janet = Jane = Jean = Jessie I've been researching in Scotland for over 30 years & have seen examples of this in Parish, Census & other records. BonnieB Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Janet and Jane On 12/08/2010 08:00, Kay wrote: > "Janet" and "Jane" are interchangeable. > ** Perhaps in some circumstances, as Janet was originally the pet form, or diminutive, of Jane, but in recent centuries, Jane and Jean are the same, and Jessie, sometimes Jess, is the familiar form of Janet. The Oxford Book of English Christian Names says in its article on Janet " It is now chiefly used in Scotland and is generally given as an independent name sometimes in the diminutive forn Netta or Nettie. In an article on Jessie, it says "A Scottish diminutive of Janet, now often used as an independent name". Gordon.