Hi Sheila, Thank you for that ........... so I am just learning! What a confusing thing. Appreciated, Kerri -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of S Tryk Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 6:50 AM To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Military in Ireland and Daniel McFarlane In Scotland, Daniel and Donald were pretty much the same name. Daniel was not an "alias." Sheila When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except the portion to which you are replying. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 145 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Thanks Rhoda, I had already obtained a copy of that Baptism record from 1802. I had also obtained from that Website a copy of a document for a Daniel McFarlane who was born in 1808 and apparently to the same couple. That's why I am assuming that Daniel and Donald were not the same person and that perhaps Daniel was using his brother's name from time to time. I am very interested in your information that that Daniel and Donald are interchangeable at times. That's the first time I have heard of that - like Jack and John, Henry and Harry etc I assume. So thank you for pointing that out to me. Unfortunately I have no idea of his regiment. He is just recorded in Trial and Transport records as being a "soldier" or "soldier/groom". None of the people researching Daniel had ever considered that he might have been known by another name. Daniel seemed to claim different years of birth depending on his mood. I had him born actually any time from 1803 to 1808. Only recently after years of different people researching him, a person came forward who was descended from Daniel's second family (the other researchers in my group are all descended from his first family) and provided a photo of him. Her information was, that according to a particular book she had seen, he was really Donald Alexander, known a "Daniel". That sent everyone rushing around and one researcher went to the Mitchell Library and verified the information. That is the first to my knowledge that anyone I know who is researching Daniel had considered or been made aware of the possibility that he might not actually be "Daniel". There was never even a hint of that previously. As you did, I then went to Find My Past and found those three records for a Donald born in 1802 (my prior search for a "Daniel" had just cost me a lot of money for no positive result!) I thought if I could gain some insight into the general details of Scots serving in Ireland in the early 1820's I might pick up a clue which might help. Thus my post to the forum. Actually when I searched Scotland's People I found several other possible baptisms for a couple of the same names (some different locations, but I suppose it is possible that people move house!). Interestingly enough, the names of the children matched family names which were used by Daniel and his descendants over generations, one in particular which was not that common. So that's where I am at for the moment. Your advice is wise. I will have to go back now and purchase the records of those three Donald's (Grrrr....... Daniel must be having quite a laugh about the chase he has sent us on!) and then if I get a match, try to get the records from the National Archives. I am so glad your search for your Great Grandfather's service records reaped a positive result - I imagine it would have been fascinating to receive those. I assume such records contain very valuable information that may not turn up in other sources. Thank you Rhoda, I greatly appreciate your information. It was a gentleman from an "Electric Scotland" Forum who suggested I post on to the Perthshire Forum and assisted with information about how to find the page so I came about it the long way! Thank you also for your information about the Museum in Perth. If I am fortunate enough to be able to discover that my Daniel (or Donald?) was connected to the Royal Highland Regiment I shall visit there as I am going to the UK quite soon. Kindest regards, and with appreciation for your assistance, Kerri -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: Wednesday, 29 December 2010 12:32 PM To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Military in Ireland and Daniel McFarlane Hello Kerri The birth/baptism index on the Scotlands People website has the birth/baptism of a Donald MACFARLANE on 24 July 1802 in Dull, Perthshire, son of John Macfarlane and Ann STEWART. This couple have 3 other children recorded on the index - Peter in 1798, John in 1800 and James in 1805. The parish registers recorded the baptisms of children but sometimes also included the dates of birth. Donald/Daniel could be interchangeable in Scotland; I have a number in my tree who were recorded under either name on different occasions. Do you have any idea of his regiment? The Black Watch (The Royal Highland Regiment) was headquartered in Perth. They have a museum and archives in Perth. But the service records of British army regiments (including the Scottish regiments) are held by the UK National Archives at Kew in London. You could have a look for him in the British Army Service Papers on the Find My Past website which has transcribed the records held at Kew. I just did a free search for Donald Macfarlane born 1802 +/- 2 in Perthshire, and found 3 Donald Macfarlanes but you have to pay to view the transcripts. My Great Grandfather was in the Black Watch in the 1870s and I downloaded his service papers from Find My Past, and followed that up by contacting the Black Watch archives in Perth, Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "kerriferguson" <kerriferguson@dodo.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:25 AM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Military in Ireland and Daniel McFarlane >I have an ancestor, Daniel McFarlane, who was born in Perthshire, Scotland > ( though latest information suggests that this name "Daniel" may have been > an alias and he may have actually been on Donald Alexander McFarlane). > > He was the son of one John McFarlane and Ann Stewart and born around 1802 > to > the best of my knowledge. > > My documents show that he then served in the army in Ireland sometime > between 1820 and 1825. > > He stole a sheep while serving and was convicted of theft (in Cork) and > transported to the colony of NSW for 7 years. > > All his records show he was a "soldier/groom". > > Can anyone tell me how I could find records of a Perthshire soldier > serving > in Ireland in the early 1820's? > > Does anyone have any information in general about Scottish soldiers > serving > in Ireland around this time? > > Anything would be appreciated. > > Kerri > > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except the portion to which you are replying. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. 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Maybe I should have used a tiny url! http://tinyurl.com/2wkaft3 P "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots Toast Check out my website www.genesontheweb.co.uk <http://www.genesontheweb.co.uk/> _____ From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Carson Sent: 29 December 2010 21:18 To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Military in Ireland and Daniel McFarlane I find this website really useful in ascertaining first name variants

Hi Kerri The two instances of Donald/Daniel in my tree related to someone born and living in Nairn (near Inverness) on the Moray Firth; and the other to someone born Daniel in the south of Scotland - in Kirkudbrightshire. But he fathered a child with my GG Aunt in Perth and became Donald for a while when living there; reverting to Daniel when he moved to Glasgow. Another example of two apparently different but interchangeable names in Scotland was/is? Patrick and Peter. The records I downloaded pertaining to my Gt Grandfather related to his discharge from the army on the grounds of ill-health. There were 4 pages which told me that he caught a fever when the regiment was in West Africa (the Gold Coast) in the 1870s and then developed TB during his convalescence. They also gave me a physical description and his date of joining the army and his civilian occupation prior to joining; and his army number. I wrote to the Black Watch museum to ask if they had any further information and the only additional information they provided was where his regiment was based during his years in the army. Scottish regiments, like English and Welsh regiments, are part of the British army (I mention this because I have found that Australians, like most other people in the world, including the English themselves, tend to think that 'England' is synonomous with 'Britain' which annoys us Scots (and Welsh) no end!). I have just begun to read 'The Fatal Shore' (my GGG Grandfather was transported for life to Van Diemens Land) and Robert Hughes manages to use the term 'England' and 'Britain' interchangeably - a bit like Donald and Daniel in fact. Aaargh! So, as far as army service is concerned there is no difference between Scottish and English regiments. Both served in Ireland. But if you could find what regiment Donald/Daniel was in then you should be able to find when his regiment was stationed there, and where. Best wishes Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "kerriferguson" <kerriferguson@dodo.com.au> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Military in Ireland and Daniel (Donald) McFarlane > Just out of interest, is it something peculiar to Perthshire and the > surrounding area, or is it a general Scottish thing? >

I find this website really useful in ascertaining first name variants http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2 <http://www.whatsinaname.net/php/search.php?action=search2&search_name=donal d> &search_name=donald HTH Pat "Here's tae us! Wha's like us? Damn few! - an' they're a' deid!" Old Scots Toast Check out my website www.genesontheweb.co.uk <http://www.genesontheweb.co.uk/> -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of S Tryk Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 6:50 AM To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Military in Ireland and Daniel McFarlane In Scotland, Daniel and Donald were pretty much the same name. Daniel was not an "alias." Sheila

I have McFarlanes in the Grandtully area of Parish of Dull in my ancestry, so was interested in the story of Donald MacFarlane. I also looked on scotlands people site at the OPR and found he was born at Lag of Grandtully and baptised 24th July 1802. I also found a Geo (George) baptised 3/06/1807 James 28/02/1805 and John 27/04/1800 belonging to the same parents Unfortunately he is not in my direct ancestry, but possibly related. Kay

FYI - one of my Caddel family from Perthshire used both the forenames of Donald / Daniel.

In Scotland, Daniel and Donald were pretty much the same name. Daniel was not an "alias." Sheila

I have an ancestor, Daniel McFarlane, who was born in Perthshire, Scotland ( though latest information suggests that this name "Daniel" may have been an alias and he may have actually been on Donald Alexander McFarlane). He was the son of one John McFarlane and Ann Stewart and born around 1802 to the best of my knowledge. My documents show that he then served in the army in Ireland sometime between 1820 and 1825. He stole a sheep while serving and was convicted of theft (in Cork) and transported to the colony of NSW for 7 years. All his records show he was a "soldier/groom". Can anyone tell me how I could find records of a Perthshire soldier serving in Ireland in the early 1820's? Does anyone have any information in general about Scottish soldiers serving in Ireland around this time? Anything would be appreciated. Kerri _____ I am using the Free version of SPAMfighter <http://www.spamfighter.com/len> . SPAMfighter has removed 144 of my spam emails to date. Do you have a slow PC? <http://www.spamfighter.com/SLOW-PCfighter?cid=sigen> Try free scan!

Hello Kerri The birth/baptism index on the Scotlands People website has the birth/baptism of a Donald MACFARLANE on 24 July 1802 in Dull, Perthshire, son of John Macfarlane and Ann STEWART. This couple have 3 other children recorded on the index - Peter in 1798, John in 1800 and James in 1805. The parish registers recorded the baptisms of children but sometimes also included the dates of birth. Donald/Daniel could be interchangeable in Scotland; I have a number in my tree who were recorded under either name on different occasions. Do you have any idea of his regiment? The Black Watch (The Royal Highland Regiment) was headquartered in Perth. They have a museum and archives in Perth. But the service records of British army regiments (including the Scottish regiments) are held by the UK National Archives at Kew in London. You could have a look for him in the British Army Service Papers on the Find My Past website which has transcribed the records held at Kew. I just did a free search for Donald Macfarlane born 1802 +/- 2 in Perthshire, and found 3 Donald Macfarlanes but you have to pay to view the transcripts. My Great Grandfather was in the Black Watch in the 1870s and I downloaded his service papers from Find My Past, and followed that up by contacting the Black Watch archives in Perth, Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "kerriferguson" <kerriferguson@dodo.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 29, 2010 12:25 AM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Military in Ireland and Daniel McFarlane >I have an ancestor, Daniel McFarlane, who was born in Perthshire, Scotland > ( though latest information suggests that this name "Daniel" may have been > an alias and he may have actually been on Donald Alexander McFarlane). > > He was the son of one John McFarlane and Ann Stewart and born around 1802 > to > the best of my knowledge. > > My documents show that he then served in the army in Ireland sometime > between 1820 and 1825. > > He stole a sheep while serving and was convicted of theft (in Cork) and > transported to the colony of NSW for 7 years. > > All his records show he was a "soldier/groom". > > Can anyone tell me how I could find records of a Perthshire soldier > serving > in Ireland in the early 1820's? > > Does anyone have any information in general about Scottish soldiers > serving > in Ireland around this time? > > Anything would be appreciated. > > Kerri > >

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I've found messages on boards at GenForum and ancestry.com from a Jim Drummond from 2001 and 2002. I tried to send emails to him, and they bounced, so likely he has a different email now. In his messages at those boards, he descended from a line of Alexander Drummond's who were basket makers and hawkers who traveled a great deal in Scotland. This would fit the Alexander Drummond I've found from my line. It appears he's relating more recent events, but could tie back into my line. I know this is a reach, but wondered if anyone would be aware of a Jim Drummond doing such research? He was apparently originally from the area of Perth, Scotland, but at the time of his posts he was living in England, and preparing to move, but he didn't relate where he was moving to. Perhaps, someone's seen posts from Jim on another board?? Any help appreciated. Thanks!! Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) ____________________________________________________________ Banks Forced to Forgive Credit Card Debt Find Out How Much of Your Debt Can Be Erased. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d1365522849789047ast04vuc

Thanks Annie!! Will try some searches that way also. A couple folks have responded with possible family trees. One had shown an Alexander Hamilton Drummond born in 1761 to a John Drummond and Sarah Smith in Edinburgh. She said John and Sarah married in 1741 in Edinburgh. That one sounds hopeful, but will take all possibilities seriously. Just seems a little difficult to tie it all together since there seem to have been many Alexander Drummonds. Probably would help a lot if we knew he had 2 names. Thanks again!! Tom McMillan This is Annie the McGregor researcher. Look for double names. Alexander might go by say John Alexander. Or Duncan Alexander. I have found many double names in the Rob Roy descendants....Annie ----- Original Message ----- From: "TWMc" <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 21, 2010 11:52 AM Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Hoping to find parentage of Alexander Drummond > I'm hoping to find information that would help me to find Alexander > Drummond's parentage. From the information I've been able to gather it > seems he was likely born about 1761 (give or take a few years?). It seems > his wife was likely Helen Dewar and born about the same time. I believe > thier Daughter Helen/Ellen Drummond was my Great Grandmother who married > Mathew Todd. > I currently don't have a subscription to ancestry.com I'm wondering if > someone could do a quick search of the Family Tree's at ancestry.com (or > other ancestry sites) to see if there's a Family Tree that might show > Alexander Drummond and Helen Dewar, and perhaps show their parents names > and possibly other info? > If that's possible, it would be greatly appreciated, and would help me in > making more informed searches to acquire more information. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > ____________________________________________________________ ____________________________________________________________ How to Stay Asleep Cambridge Researchers have developed an all natural sleep aid just for you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d110e8b2db38c54b9st02vuc

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Thank you so much for that information!! Then I'll look for deaths after 1845 for him also. Thanks!! Tom "Late" doesn't mean dead in Scottish documents. It means "former." For example, my great-grandfather, who was very much alive, is called "late schoolmaster, Duror" -- meaning he was formerly the schoolmaster there, but is now probably retired. Sheila ____________________________________________________________ How to Stay Asleep Cambridge Researchers have developed an all natural sleep aid just for you. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d10f3c28ae772836bcst05vuc

Thank YOU for your help keeping our list going all year, Merry Christmas, and a Blessed Hogmanay! Mary in Oregon I lost my faithful cat of 18 years, and felt her loss so acutely my hubby and daughter found me a wonderful, beautiful "Pixie bob'. They look like a Bengal, but look more like a bobcat than any wild cat, used to breed Bengals. She took one day to get so attached to me, she lays over my heart (my heartbeat soothed her transition. "Tinker bell" is actually more like a dog in attachment, and follow their owners, even jumping in when I take a bath.The two people I love most gave her to me! Pixie bobs are not from wild cats, but are breed for "wild" appearance. She has extra toes on her front paws. anyone ever hear of red caps? I was completely stunned to find the info online. maybe since both South Powrie and North Pourie castles are ruins, they were associated with these fairies? _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redcap_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redcap) A Red Cap or Redcap, also known as a powrie or dunter, is a type of malevolent murderous _dwarf_ (/wiki/Dwarf_(mythology)) , _goblin_ (/wiki/Goblin) , _elf_ (/wiki/Elf) or _fairy_ (/wiki/Fairy) found in _Border Folklore_ (/wiki/English_Folklore) . They are said to inhabit ruined castles found along the border between _England_ (/wiki/England) and _Scotland_ (/wiki/Scotland) . Redcaps are said to murder travelers who stray into their homes and dye their hats with their victims' blood (from which they get their name)._[1]_ (#cite_note-0) Redcaps must kill regularly, for if the blood staining their hats dries out, they die. Redcaps are very fast in spite of the heavy iron pikes they wield and the iron-shod boots they wear. Outrunning a redcap is supposedly impossible. They are depicted as sturdy old men with red eyes, taloned hands and large teeth, wearing a red cap and bearing a pikestaff in the left hand._[2]_ (#cite_note-BriggsFairies-1) The tale of one in _Perthshire_ (/wiki/Perthshire) has him as more benign; living in a room in Grantully Castle, he bestows good fortune on those who see or hear him._[2]_ (#cite_note-BriggsFairies-1) The _Kabouter_ (/wiki/Kabouter) , or redcaps of _Dutch folklore_ (/wiki/Dutch_folklore) , are very different, and more akin to _brownies_ (/wiki/Brownie_(folklore)) ._[2]_ (#cite_note-BriggsFairies-1)

Thank you so much Doreen!!! Did they show a death date for him?? I should have mentioned it in my first post, but I think mine died between 1841 and 1845. He seems to be on the 1841 census and on Helen's death notice in 1845 it indicates the "late" Alexander Drummond. Thanks again!! Tom McMillan Tom, The only one I can find was born in Monzie, parents were William Drummond and Janet McUrrich. No mention of a wife though. His siblings were John, Isabel and William. Doreen --- On Tue, 21/12/10, TWMc <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> wrote: > From: TWMc <tomwdcraftr@juno.com> > Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Hoping to find parentage of Alexander Drummond > To: perthshire@rootsweb.com > Date: Tuesday, 21 December, 2010, 16:52 > I'm hoping to find information that > would help me to find Alexander Drummond's parentage. From > the information I've been able to gather it seems he was > likely born about 1761 (give or take a few years?). It seems > his wife was likely Helen Dewar and born about the same > time. I believe thier Daughter Helen/Ellen Drummond was my > Great Grandmother who married Mathew Todd. > I currently don't have a subscription to ancestry.com I'm > wondering if someone could do a quick search of the Family > Tree's at ancestry.com (or other ancestry sites) to see if > there's a Family Tree that might show Alexander Drummond and > Helen Dewar, and perhaps show their parents names and > possibly other info? > If that's possible, it would be greatly appreciated, and > would help me in making more informed searches to acquire > more information. > Thanks so much!! > Tom McMillan (Washougal, WA) > ____________________________________________________________ > Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance > If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's > Refi Program > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d10db6e16b008bbc9est02vuc > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete > everything except the portion to which you are replying. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except the portion to which you are replying. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ____________________________________________________________ Obama Urges Homeowners to Refinance If you owe under $729k you probably qualify for Obama's Refi Program http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4d10ea3484d308bea75st02vuc