On 17/01/2011 08:00, Peter wrote re scotlandspeople and IGI(familysearch): > I was trying to get across > that the available records for the family in question were no different on > either source. To pick up on THAT, neither is a "source". They are both indexes. The source is the parish registers themselves. And incidentally, they are not totally the same in what they contain. The IGI officially stopped their extraction process from official records at the year 1874, so anything of more recent date will be a member submission. scotlandspeople is nowadays updated once a year, so it is ongoing. The IGi was based on what was available at the time, and some more registers were found after they completed their extractions. Gordon.

Chris, How are you? We met at Parramatta Roadshow. I just knew somebody was going to pick me up on that. A politician would say he was misquoted or taken out of context. I was trying to get across that the available records for the family in question were no different on either source. But whether I said the records on IGI are the same as Scotland's People or there are no additional records on Scotland's People to those on IGI, it was going to sound wrong. On your other comment, I think the changes to IGI were done by a techo rather than a genealogist and show an appalling lack of understanding of search requirements. Inability to search by batch number is just another example. I was using the new site looking for a birth in Lancashire c1850 and even with exact matches it gave an entry from 1975 in Cleveland Ohio. Peter

Helen, There are no additional records on Scotland's People to those on IGI. I presume you obtained the mother's name from a subsequent BDM event. You might need to check that. Perhaps have a look at births of other children of Catherine's death. Their ages in census records may give an indication of when parents married. I'm a pensioner and have a thing about paying fees for other people. You were just lucky I had a couple of credits due to expire in a few days. Peter in Sydney

That's not quite true - ScotlandsPeople has the Roman Catholic BMDs! But on the Church of Scotland records side, the IGI actually has less entries than ScotlandsPeople, as not every record has been indexed, though it does have some dissenting church records. For Church of Scotland material I've occasionally trawled through SP images and found additional children to couples not picked up by the IGI. One other point - the IGI will shortly no longer exist as a searchable database. On the new FamilySearch website it actually no longer exists. It has already been split - the extracted records have been added to the new Historical Records section, along with records from British Isles Vital Records Index, and can no longer be searched by batch number. Patron submissions to the IGI are not yet on the new site, but will be added to the Family Trees section, which at the moment also has Ancestral File records from the old site, but not Pedigree Resource Files, which will also be added in due course. The old FamilySearch is still temporarily available at www.familysearch.org/eng/default.asp - but will go once the new site has corrected some appalling oversights with its new search system - more on the differences between the two sites at http://broadcast.lds.org/elearning/FHD/Local_Support/Consultant/Interactive_Guide/Adjusting_to_the_new_version.pdf Chris -------------------------------------------------- From: "Peter Booth (2)" <peterbooth2@bigpond.com> Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2011 5:47 AM To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] TAYLOR/Davidson > Helen, > > There are no additional records on Scotland's People to those on IGI. > > I presume you obtained the mother's name from a subsequent BDM event. > You might need to check that. Perhaps have a look at births of other > children of Catherine's death. Their ages in census records may give an > indication of when parents married. > > I'm a pensioner and have a thing about paying fees for other people. > You > were just lucky I had a couple of credits due to expire in a few days. > > Peter in Sydney > > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except > the portion to which you are replying. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Meg, I'll give that a try Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Meg Greenwood" <scotquester@bartnet.net> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 12:00 PM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] TAYLOR/Davidson > Helen - Have you used the BATCH SEARCH method of looking through the IGI > ? Its the same IGI, but looked at very differently....by searching > through each parish individually for names. This method has brought up > alternate spellings and complete misspellings that the regular IGI > search engine does not catch. Since you are searching Abernethy, use > the URL below and select Scotland, then Perthshire, then scroll down to > Abernethy. Select the year range you wish to search [births and > marriages are the only offerings] and either enter the surname Taylor in > the searchbox OR leave it completely blank. Entering no name in the > searchbox and hitting the search button will give you the ENTIRE batch > to search through - this can be dozens or tens-of-thousands of names > depending on the size of the parish book that was transcribed. > > I realize TAYLOR is not easy to misspell, but if the handwriting was > abysmal, this could have been recorded as perhaps NAYLOR or > TAYLEN....you never know with some handwriting. If you don't see the > years of interest listed with Abernethy, its most likely those books did > not survive and thats why they can't be found. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma > USA > > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryScotland.htm > > Tiny URL : http://tinyurl.com/3sbvrg > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > I am looking for a marriage entry for David Taylor bc 1806 and Catherine > Davidson bc1810 that can't be found on the IGI. It was between 1828 and > 1831, probably in Abernethy, Perthshire. This couple lived in Abernethy > with their children on many census snip > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except > the portion to which you are replying. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Thank you Kathleen for looking. I appreciate your help. Helen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@gmail.com> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] TAYLOR/Davidson > Helen, > I searched Scotland's People and there is no David Taylor marrying > Catherine > Davidson. The only Taylor marriage in Perthshire in that time frame is a > David Taylor married Jane Anderson in Perth in 1830. > You may need to see the Kirk records which are not on line. > Sorry > Kathy > On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Helen Vaillancourt <lucy@efni.com> > wrote: > >> I am looking for a marriage entry for David Taylor bc 1806 and Catherine >> Davidson bc1810 that can't be found on the IGI. >> It was between 1828 and 1831, probably in Abernethy, Perthshire. This >> couple lived in Abernethy with their children on many census' >> Does anyone have access to Scotland's People and have some credits left >> and >> could check for me? >> Helen >> Ontario >> When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except >> the >> portion to which you are replying. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except > the portion to which you are replying. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Helen, I searched Scotland's People and there is no David Taylor marrying Catherine Davidson. The only Taylor marriage in Perthshire in that time frame is a David Taylor married Jane Anderson in Perth in 1830. You may need to see the Kirk records which are not on line. Sorry Kathy On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Helen Vaillancourt <lucy@efni.com> wrote: > I am looking for a marriage entry for David Taylor bc 1806 and Catherine > Davidson bc1810 that can't be found on the IGI. > It was between 1828 and 1831, probably in Abernethy, Perthshire. This > couple lived in Abernethy with their children on many census' > Does anyone have access to Scotland's People and have some credits left and > could check for me? > Helen > Ontario > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except the > portion to which you are replying. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I see that there are Blotter Registers availble for Abernethy [Perthshire, not Morayshire] on film but it covers the wrong years to be of use to this TAYLOR search. I have never ordered these films before but will certainly entertain the idea if I hear a few Listers are interested in particular entrys. It takes about 3 weeks to get a film into the FHC here in Oklahoma and its held about 5 weeks before going back to Salt Lake City. I cannot blanket search, must have a specific name and year. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA -------------------------------------- Blotter registers 1732-1736 Filmed in 1978. FHL BRITISH Film #1068238 Item 2 The Old Parish Registers are on film but are usually exactly the same as ScotlandsPeople has to offer : FHL BRITISH Film #993511 - Baptisms, 1690-1733 Baptisms, 1749-1819 Baptisms, 1820-1854 Marriages, 1690-1727 Marriages, 1783-1794 Burials, 1690-1727 Burials, 1783-1794 ---------------------------------------

Helen - Have you used the BATCH SEARCH method of looking through the IGI ? Its the same IGI, but looked at very differently....by searching through each parish individually for names. This method has brought up alternate spellings and complete misspellings that the regular IGI search engine does not catch. Since you are searching Abernethy, use the URL below and select Scotland, then Perthshire, then scroll down to Abernethy. Select the year range you wish to search [births and marriages are the only offerings] and either enter the surname Taylor in the searchbox OR leave it completely blank. Entering no name in the searchbox and hitting the search button will give you the ENTIRE batch to search through - this can be dozens or tens-of-thousands of names depending on the size of the parish book that was transcribed. I realize TAYLOR is not easy to misspell, but if the handwriting was abysmal, this could have been recorded as perhaps NAYLOR or TAYLEN....you never know with some handwriting. If you don't see the years of interest listed with Abernethy, its most likely those books did not survive and thats why they can't be found. Meg Greenwood / Oklahoma USA http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountryScotland.htm Tiny URL : http://tinyurl.com/3sbvrg ---------------------------------------------------------- I am looking for a marriage entry for David Taylor bc 1806 and Catherine Davidson bc1810 that can't be found on the IGI. It was between 1828 and 1831, probably in Abernethy, Perthshire. This couple lived in Abernethy with their children on many census snip

I am looking for a marriage entry for David Taylor bc 1806 and Catherine Davidson bc1810 that can't be found on the IGI. It was between 1828 and 1831, probably in Abernethy, Perthshire. This couple lived in Abernethy with their children on many census' Does anyone have access to Scotland's People and have some credits left and could check for me? Helen Ontario

Thank you everyone for all your help with the McKay families and Redgorton. I appreciate it heaps. Carol

You didn't say where you've looked. Scotland's People seems the obvious place to look. And while it's quite cheap at about $2 a lookup, pensioners like myself can't afford to pay for others. But you might like to try the IGI first, to see if you can find a birth or marriage for Thomas. I'd also look for the family in 1841, 1851 census etc to see if Thomas was with the family or if Helen was a widow. That will narrow down the timeframe when you are looking for his death. You know it has to be after 1835. Peter in Sydney

Good morning Listers, I am looking for any information regarding a Thomas Butter born about 1796 in either Coupar Angus or Eassie, Perthshire, Scotland. At a later date Thomas Butter was living and working in Kirriemuir, Angus and fathered a son (Alexander Butter 1836-1905) with Helen Gall also originally from Eassie, Perthshire. The son, Alexander Butter and his mother, Helen Gall both lived, died and are buried in Kirriemuir, Angus Scotland. I have to date not been able to obtain any further information regarding Thomas Butter, his background, death or burial, etc. Any local Kirriemuir assistance greatly appreciated. E. James Buttars (Butter) Australia

Thank you for getting back to me, I will try the link. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ranald McIntyre" <Ranald@mcintyre.me.uk> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Redgorton MI Hello Carol, I hope that you have not been affected by the flooding.... Here is a link in which if you *scroll* down has Redgorton MIs. http://shop.scotsgenealogy.com/acatalog/Perthshire_MI.html It costs £3.00.. Good Luck Ranald

----- Original Message ----- From: "Ranald McIntyre" <Ranald@mcintyre.me.uk> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] Redgorton MI Hello Carol, I hope that you have not been affected by the flooding.... Here is a link in which if you *scroll* down has Redgorton MIs. http://shop.scotsgenealogy.com/acatalog/Perthshire_MI.html It costs £3.00.. Good Luck Ranald

Good Morning from Australia. I am wondering, if anyone has the print of Redgorton monumental inscriptions. If someone has, is there any McKay families, McMartin families or McArthur families mentioned in it from the late 1700 to 1861 or so? I do not know if it is till in print, I do know it does not seem to have been filmed. Carol

It could be Dunkeld. Regards, Ann On 1/13/2011 1:47 PM, cmacri wrote: > Catherine McKay baptized in 1792 mentions on all her census she was born in Perthshire, but I was very lucky to notice on one she said Dunkell or what it looked like. > > Carol > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except the portion to which you are replying. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The name on the 1861 census looks like Drunbil.......................... Although all other census, she says she was born in Callander. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Bigley-Scott" <ann@kenepuru.co.nz> To: <perthshire@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 14, 2011 3:39 AM Subject: Re: [PERTHSHIRE] McKay /Macarthur Port of Monteith > It could be Dunkeld. > Regards, > Ann > > On 1/13/2011 1:47 PM, cmacri wrote: >> Catherine McKay baptized in 1792 mentions on all her census she was >> born in Perthshire, but I was very lucky to notice on one she said >> Dunkell or what it looked like. >> >> Carol >> When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except >> the portion to which you are replying. >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > When replying to a message or a digest, please delete everything except > the portion to which you are replying. > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > PERTHSHIRE-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carol wrote: "......, is there any McKay families, McMartin families or McArthur families mentioned in it from the late 1700 to 1861 or so?" There are no MIs for McArthur, McKay or McMartin in Redgorton in Mitchell's "North Perthshire MIs pre 1855". George NY -----Original Message----- From: perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:perthshire-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of cmacri Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2011 7:48 PM To: perthshire@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTHSHIRE] Redgorton MI

Hello Carol, I hope that you have not been affected by the flooding.... Here is a link in which if you *scroll* down has Redgorton MIs. http://shop.scotsgenealogy.com/acatalog/Perthshire_MI.html It costs £3.00.. Good Luck Ranald On 14 January 2011 00:47, cmacri <cmacri@virginbroadband.com.au> wrote: > Good Morning from Australia. > > I am wondering, if anyone has the print of Redgorton monumental > inscriptions. If someone has, is there any McKay families, McMartin > families or McArthur families mentioned in it from the late 1700 to 1861 or > so? > > I do not know if it is till in print, I do know it does not seem to have > been filmed. > > Carol