Note that Pollokshaws (no "c" in the name) is in Renfrewshire, not Perthshire. Ken Harrison In a message dated 29/10/03 8:25:42 PM Pacific Standard Time, PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:37:53 EST > From: Jua342@aol.com > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PERTH] CAMPBELL > > Would SKS have anything for 1861 in which there might be a Duncan CAMPBELL - > he was either a schoolmaster or merchant. I don't know when he became > whiich. > May have had a son John Campbel or John may have been away at swchool. > Warmly appreciate any assistance. > > Juanita Patterson > Mobile, AL > ______________________________ > > Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:15:08 EST > From: Jua342@aol.com > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PERTH] Duncan CAMPBELL > > PS to my 1st message. I forgot to say that the area in Perthshire would be > Pollockshaws. Sorry, I shall keep my wits about me next time. > > Juanita Patterson > Mobile, AL

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Barbara, Hope this helps... the stones are so rarely the "right" ones, it is depressing. If you would like a scan of the map or hard copies or scans of the pages, let me know. But the notes for the parish might help Rhonda with her question about Whiteley... as it specifically lists some of the farm names. grave 6-7 6 (loose) figure of man holding a trumpet to his mouth in left hand and an object in his right hand. 7 1836 Isabella THOMSON in wolfhill village 8.11.1858 49, mo Elspeth THOMSON 1.10.1815 555, fa Peter THOMSON 22.3.1816 55, bro & sis Jas & Mary d inf 16-17 16 next to 17 Wm THOMSON builder Wolfhill 18.12.1922 71, fa Thos THOMSON 7.12.1882, mo Eliz CHALMERS 22.3.1898, bro Jas 8.3.1917 61, sis Agnes 29.5. 1918 57 (h Wm MELLIS d wolfhill 10.10.1943 80) 17 (in enclosure with 16:the lower part of stone 8) -------Peter THOMSON-------- Whitefied d there 8.11.1793 48 verse. (west side) shield with A.D. shuttle. skull, crossed bones, sandglass 25 by John IRVEN fr Mickle Whitfield 2(7). 11.1809 92 and w Margt THOMSON1.3.1821 72 imo s John 11.5.1790 inf. (west side) 1790 37-8 John PRINGLE 5.2.1848 w Eliz SWAN d Wolfhill 30.7.1845 88, da Margt 11.9.1850 (h Alex Robertson feuar Wolfhill 29.9.1866 76). Robert PRINGLE 9.9.1874 83. Alex ROBERTSON w Jean THOMSON 19.12.1888 61 96 Geo THOMSON smith Redstone & w Jean MURDOCK, chn: Isabel 21.10.1818 12 & Euphemia 10.11.1813 13. (west side) 1816. GT IM I'll do the rest after lunch. (In other email) I did find the annex record digitized on SCRAN. It gives the names and farm names and how many spoke English, could spin, and how many animals of different kinds. Mary

Barbara, 111 John THOMSON fr Whitefield 7.7.1851 70, mo Agnest RITCHIE 4.3.1817 73, fa Jas THOMSON 4.9.1824 79, sis & two bros int here, w Mrs. Jane THOMSON 7.1847 43 121b 1784. by Margt ROBERTS imo David DAVIDSON tenant in ------- who d ------ age 29, also their chn: Wm, Margt & Jas. (west side) winged soul. helm, mantling, shield with DD.NR. plough, Memento Mori. crossed bones, skull, sandglass 122 by Wm CLARK weaver Streletz & w Isabel THOMSON, chn int here. (west side) 1805. WC IT 139 1867. Peter THOMSON in Burrelton 27.5.1881 57, fa Robt 5.12.1857 52, his two sisters Isabella & Edith d inf, bro John 21.5. 1865 25, uncle Wm SCOTT 12.6.1872 66, mo Margt SCOTT 24.7.1872 68 155 very large. Patk THOMSON in Broadgreen who, having lived 36y md to Ann ROB, d 10.4.1762 63, gda Jean ROBERTSON 10.1.1863 87 (h Duncan McGregor fr East Lawton 30.4.1863 70, s John 27 .12.1836 24) (Marble Insert) Peter McGregor fr Wolfhill 22.3.1898 85. w Mary McEwan 7.9.1903 71, da Mary Jane 31.12.1905 41, s Jas 7.1.1944 70, w Cath MILLAR, 8.11.1927 63, da Mary McEwan 20.6.1854 57 1765. Monogram. shield. Deo Gloria. skull, lifesize corpse, skull The notes section gives info on years covered by baptism, banns, marriage pawns,mort clothes dues and the Kirk Session notes which were very damaged by damp. I find the notes section for each parish a great bit of help.. so I can scan it too, if you wish. Pert Sherriff Court records including marriage contract The barony of Stobhall which was in forfeited and annexed to the Duke of Perth. There was also a Commissioner founded Strelitz (after young Queen Charlotte) which gave 80 houses for discharged soldiers each with a garden and 3 acres. With applications from soldiers. Report of Annexed estates which includes details farms and tenants (names of Cottars were not included) Located at HMSO 1755-69 Gallowhill included the names of Thos Thompson, Little Whitefield included the names of Wm Smith, Geo Brown, Patk Thomson, Geo Boyd, Robt Croyle, John Craig, Geo Williamson, Geo Scott, etc. There are many more places such as Loanhead, Mains of Stobhall, Newbigging, Newmiln, Redstone, Balchommie, Blairhead, Woodend, Woodhead,.... Meikle Whitefield Whiteley- Jas Grieg in Newmiln Easter Wolfhill- David Husband Patrk Pirnie Wester Wolfhill- John Boyd, Andw Fennick Woodhead- Wm THOMSON THere is a list of testaments Cargill in Commissiariot of Dunkeld.. but no Thomson, you should look on Scottish Documents to see if there are any. Mary

PS to my 1st message. I forgot to say that the area in Perthshire would be Pollockshaws. Sorry, I shall keep my wits about me next time. Juanita Patterson Mobile, AL

Would SKS have anything for 1861 in which there might be a Duncan CAMPBELL - he was either a schoolmaster or merchant. I don't know when he became whiich. May have had a son John Campbel or John may have been away at swchool. Warmly appreciate any assistance. Juanita Patterson Mobile, AL

My e-mail keeps coming back as undeliverable. I am trying to get this through. Wish me luck. Juanita Patterson

> The death record of my gg grandmother, Elizabeth MCKENZIE, lists her > parents as being, Robert MCKENZIE, toll keeper, and Agnes BLAIR. > Looking for their marriage in the GRO, the only Robert MCKENZIE/Agnes > BLAIR marriage was either at Aberfeldy or Drymen, in June 1797, as it > is listed at both. Hello Sheila The Drymen part is correct, don't know where you got Aberfeldy from. There were Banns at Drymen and ABERFOYLE for that couple, someone has already been looking for them and submitted the Aberfoyle date. Also the IGI shows two children b. Aberfoyle. If, after moving, they stayed in Strathblane you might find the family on the 1841 census. I looked at the Aberfoyle entry briefly yesterday and the July 8th 1797 date is correct, Robert McKENZIE in Drumlane* and Agnes BLAIR dau. of John Blair in Duchray. If you like I will take another look next week, perhaps make a copy to send to you if you think they are the correct couple. As with most Banns from Aberfoyle and Port of Menteith there is no Date or Place of Marriage shown for them in the Aberfoyle Record Book. * I don't know where Drumlane was, may have been a farm, a house or even a Lane, ask on the Stirling mail list. You should check the Drymen Parish Record film to see if it gives more information for Robert. . > Again the only Elizabeth MCKENZIE, born to parents so named, was born in > Strathblane in August 1812, but this would make her eight years older > than she was listed at her death. Either you have the wrong Eliz. McKenzie or the person stating her age on the death cert. didn't know her age. > Can anyone please throw any light on this family, and where might Robert > have been a toll keeper? >From reading many census films I have noticed Toll keepers were usually elderly and had probably retired from their previous/real occupation. The Drymen Parish Record film might give an occupation at the time of marriage for Robert. I have some other info. for Blairs around the area of Drymen and up to Aberfoyle, just bits and pieces so far, am nowhere near sorting out all the various families with the same given names. One of my gtgt gr.mothers sisters married a Duncan Blair from Middle Third, Gartmore. I also need to find an Eliz. McKenzie, from somewhere, who seems to have married a Peter McOnie, a dau. turns up in Liverpool by 1864. regards, Maureen Kuzyk.

Hello I am very sorry to have offended you in any way. I certainly did not mean for anyone to spend their money looking up my family. What I had thought was someone owned the film. I have a few friends who actually have bought the census for different areas and own the films. It was someone like that that I was requesting it from. Certainly not someone I expected to pay to look up my information. To this lady and anyone else I offended with my request I apologize. Linda BRUINSWOOD@aol.com wrote: > linda, > > That census is online at Scotlandspeople.gov so you have access to it. > To ask someone to use their money to access it, is not going to go > anywhere. You can ask for someone to use their time, if there is > little or no money involved.... but you are asking them to pay 6 > pounds and then use that time to look your stuff up. > > Mary

You *can* look them up in Australia by ordering through your local Family History centre. $6 gets you the year and locality and you then have a month to research it. Of course if some kind member can help - even better Elizabeth Jean ----- Original Message ----- From: <PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: PERTHSHIRE-D Digest V03 #205

Hi David, Many many Thanks!! This is incredible. I'll try to make up a Word file of my Robertsons. Although I think I may have sent you most of what I have. If you come across anything relative, (so to speak) please let me know. I've sent the marriage certificate of my Great Great Grand Parents. Andrew Milne & Catherine Robertson. On a separate E-Mail. Cheers Alistair Bell. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.532 / Virus Database: 326 - Release Date: 27/10/03

Thanks to all of you who replied with helpful information about my previous query. I will try to reach each of you individually where possible. What I failed to state was that I had already traced my ancestors on the 1841 Census but failed with the next ones and they don't appear in the 1881 Census. I also failed to mention that the Parish was Auchterarder. Gregg Morrison in Sydney Australia. This email has been checked by Norton Anti-Virus Software and does not contain viruses. A smile a day, helps you on your way...

HI, Yesterday, I asked where was "Whiteleys". I should have asked where was Whiteley, Cargill. I have followed the enumerator for the parish of Cargill on his route during the 1881 census, and I still can not find Whiteley. This place is in the second enumeration district, which appears to have Stelitz Wood as the centre of the district. The districtt is 10 pages long. The enumerator starts at Wellses (Wellsies), moves onto Layston (Laystone), the East Hatton, Hattons Cottage, Farm and Cottages. His next place of call was Isla Cottage, then Mains Cottage, the Cargill Station. He then moved onto Mains of Cargill Farm, Cargill Inn, then Cargill.... After that, he moved onto Gallowhill, then Gallowhill Farm, then Hillocks. After Hillocks, he visited Whiteley (4 houses), followed by Hallow Farm, then Mains of Cargill. Both Hallow Farm and Main of Cargill were uninhabited. Why would the enumerator visit the Mains of Cargill Farm (page 4), and then return to Main of Cargill on page 10? Am I just confusing myself by following the enumator on his round? I can not find Whiteley, nor Hallow Farm on current day maps, using www.multimap.com, nor on the 1867 map on http://www.old-maps.co.uk Could it be possible that the place called Strelitz is Whiteley? Any suggestions welcome... Rhonda Canberra, Australia

We all have access to the 1891 Census at http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php on payment of the wee fee (£6.00). Good hunting. Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland Email peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching ATKINS, BRUCE, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Hunts, Leics, & Northants,) HAUGHAN (Cumbria & Co. Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, HUNTER, KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow & Perth) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Wright" <l.w@sympatico.ca> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: [PERTH] re: Annie McNaughton > I was wondering if anyone has access to the 1891 census or is > reseaching my Aunt and her family. . > > Annie McNaughton > born April 1, 1889 > Crieff, Perthshire, > Scotland. > Looking forward to hearing from you. > Linda > Ottawa, Ont. Canada > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: The Perthshire Mailing List is for the exchange of genealogical and historical information about the Perthshire area of Scotland. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html >

Hi First cousin marriages were relatively common back then. No special permission needed in the UK. John Dods Wellington, New Zealand --- Ursula <ursularclarke@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hello all, > > Can anyone enlighten me on the degrees of kinship > allowed in marriage? > > I was always under the impression that first cousins > were too close relations to marry but in 1857 I have > Robert Duncan and Mary Maconochie marrying in Dron > and > they are first cousins - and listed as such in the > marriage register. > > Could they get special permission to marry and if so > who from? > > Any ideas? > > Cheers, > Ursula > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Want to chat instantly with your online friends? > Get the FREE Yahoo! > Messenger http://mail.messenger.yahoo.co.uk > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > -------------------------------------------------- > ENJOY the list. Ask questions and share > information. > If you have an issue, contact the list > administrator, > Pamela.Paddock.Arnold > PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > > -------------------------------------------------- > ===== Proud to be transcriber for the freeCEN project and volunteer for Random Acts of Genelogical Kindness If you need to have a look up of a entry from the pre 1990 New Zealand BDM index, e-mail me direct. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Exclusive Video Premiere - Britney Spears http://launch.yahoo.com/promos/britneyspears/

Hi all, I am iinterested in a place called Whiteleys, near Cargill. Can anybody tell me where Whiteleys is? I can find Cargill on a map, but not Whiteleys. Thanks, Rhonda Canberra

I was wondering if anyone has access to the 1891 census or is reseaching my Aunt and her family. . Annie McNaughton born April 1, 1889 Crieff, Perthshire, Scotland. Looking forward to hearing from you. Linda Ottawa, Ont. Canada

My father's sister married their first cousin, but they did not have kids. His Gt. Gt. Uncle also married a first cousin in 1841 in Edinburgh: they had eight children there, none of whom married. Three of them lived to around 70. One, a Judge in the Indian service died young, at sea. The Royals have been at it forever haven't they? Andrew Forman, Royal Oak Yard, Skipton BD23 1NP -----Original Message----- From: Carol Baird [SMTP:ctbaird@telus.net] Sent: 27 October 2003 18:23 To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTH] Consanguinuity in marriage It seems surprising but it was perfectly acceptable to marry your first cousin and no special dispensation was needed. Interesting, in England until 1907 it was not permitted to marry your deceased wife's sister or your deceased husband's brother, even though they were not related by blood. I don't know if the same applied to Scotland. Carol Baird ctbaird@telus.net ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== -------------------------------------------------- ALL messages are recorded in the Rootsweb archives. http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html --------------------------------------------------

Can any of the List Members advise me where I can make look-ups on any Census for Perthshire pre 1881. I can't locate any available here in Australia. Gregg Morrison. This email has been checked by Norton Anti-Virus Software and does not contain viruses. A smile a day, helps you on your way...

Spare marriages found on microfilm MS248, Reel 1, Home District, "Marriage Registers of CanadaWest". Some individuals are known to be from Islay, some from Perth or Clackmannan. The minister in each case was Hugh Reid, who described himself as “Minister of Baptist denomination in Canada West”. page 262 (also numbered 286 in original): "Caledon, Feby 16th 1854: Married by License, on the sixteenth day of February in the Year of Our Lord One thousand, eight hundred and fifty four, John McSorley, of the Township of Caledon, in the County of Peel, and Province of Upper Canada, and Catharine MacLean of the same place, in the Presence of Archibald McGregor and Samuel McLean, by me, signed Hugh Reid, John McSorley, Catharine MacLean; witnesses Archibald McGregor, Samuel McLean "Erin, March 23d 1854: Married by License, on the twenty third day of March in the Year of Our Lord One thousand, eight hundred and fifty four, Donald Leitch, of the Township of Erin, in the County of Wellington, and Province of Upper Canada, and Mary Lamond of the same place, Spinster, in the Presence of Ronald Leitch and Malcolm Leitch, by me, signed Hugh Reid, Donald Leitch, Mary Lamond; witnesses Ronald Leitch, Malcom [sic] Leitch "Caledon, October 10th 1854: Married by License, on the tenth day of October in the Year of Our Lord One thousand, eight hundred and fifty four, Meddows Brock, of the Township of Caledon, in the County of Peel, and Province of Upper Canada, Bachelor, and Ellen Aitkins of the same place, in the Presence of Joseph Redick and Alexander Ross, by me, signed Hugh Reid, Meddows Brock, Ellen Aitkins; witnesses Joseph Redick, Alexander Ross "Cheltenham, October 12th 1854: Married by License, on the twelfth day of October in the Year of Our Lord One thousand, eight hundred and fifty four, John Livingston, of the Township of Chinguacousy, in the County of Peel, and Province of Upper Canada, and Agnes McLaren of the Township of Caledon, in the County and Province aforesaid, in the Presence of Alexander Boyd and Malcom [sic] Ferguson, by me, signed Hugh Reid, John Livingston, Agnes McLaren; witnesses Alexr Boyd, Malcom [sic] Ferguson [Can anyone identify the Agnes McLaren above ????] "Caledon, October 19th 1854: Married by License, on the nineteenth day of October in the Year of Our Lord One thousand, eight hundred and fifty four, John [end of page] page 292 (also numbered 320 in original): "Erin February 28th 1855: Married by publication of Banns, on the twenty eighth day of February in the Year of Our Lord One thousand, eight hundred and fifty five, Neil McEacharn, of the Township of Erin, in the County of Wellington, and Province of Upper Canada, Bachelor, and Mary Young of the same place, Spinster, in the Presence of John McLean and John McEacharn, by me, signed Hugh Reid, Neil McEacharn, Mary Young; witnesses John McLean, John McEacharn "Caledon, May 15th 1855: Married by License, on the fifteenth day of May in the Year of Our Lord One thousand, eight hundred and fifty five, Robert Lawson, of the Township of Chinguacousy, in the County of Peel, and Province of Upper Canada, Bachelor, and Catharine McNabb of the Township of Caledon in the County and Province aforesaid, Spinster, in the Presence of Alexander McLaren and Daniel Blair, by me, signed Hugh Reid, Robert Lawson, Catharine McNabb; witnesses Alexr McLaren, Daniel Blair [These are my great-greatgrandparents] "Erin, December 4th 1855: Married by License, on the fourth day of December in the Year of Our Lord One thousand, eight hundred and fifty five, Donald Bell, of the Township of Erin, in the County of Wellington, and Province of Upper Canada, Bachelor, and Ann McPhee of the same place, Spinster, in the Presence of Dougald McPhee and Ronald McEacharn, by me, signed Hugh Reid, Donald Bell, Ann McPhee; witnesses Dougald McFee [sic], Ronald McEacharn "Caledon, December 19th 1855: Married by License, on the nineteenth day of December in the Year of Our Lord One thousand, eight hundred and fifty five, Neil McDonald, of the Township of Caledon, in the County of Peel, and Province of Upper Canada, Bachelor, and Mary Ann Rozel, of the same place, Spinster, in the Presence of John McGregor and William McDonald, by me, signed Hugh Reid, Neil McDonald, Mary Ann Rozel; witnesses John McGregor, William McDonald Hope this helps someone. Please let me know if you can connect to either of the pairs above who I have highlighted. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada