Hi All Earlier in the week I promised that I'd have a trip to Cargill for list members with relatives from there. Well, Cargill was looking lovely this morning. It is a beautiful sheltered spot, down off the main Perth-Blairgowrie road in a quiet area beside the river Tay. The graveyard has a very small ruin of an old church while the newer church a little way up the hill has been converted to residential use. The graveyard itself is showing its age, with stones in the 1975 Mitchell books now hard to read, and bushes encroaching around the edge of the site. There is some site maintenance taking place, and the grass must be cut reasonably regularly. For those of you in the Tay Valley Family History Society and using the Tay-Valley-Bridges Yahoo group, I've placed 29 photos in a folder in the 'Photos' section. Anyone not able to see them (or who would like higher-resolution copies) is most welcome to email me. Some are of the site, and most are of stones with the names below. So, I was looking for Craik (sorry Carolyn, none found), Dingwall/well (again, none there Anne), Thomson (goodness, what a lot of them!) and Gentle (three of them Rhonda, including the David you asked for). The following list includes the Gentles and the Thomsons still legible. Mary has previously shared a list of Thomson details from her sources and I'll not repeat them here. Most of these below are available as jpg files. 1816 on W side. Erected by James Gentle farmer Tillybaccart [Tullybaccart] In memory of his father David Gentle farmer Whiteley who died [Jun/Jan?] 15th 1815 aged [73?] years. In loving memory of James St Clair Haliburton, schoolmaster Cargill who died 26th May 1924 aged 60 years, Jemima Gentle his wife who died 3rd July 1949 aged 84 years, his father James Haliburton native of Ettrick b1825 d1913. In loving memory of Robert Grant Crichton who died 26th Aug 1925 aged 57 and his wife Margaret Tosh who died 30th April 1935 aged 66 also their son David Gentle who died 11th Aug 1907 aged 11 and their daughter Betty who died 1st Sep 1964 beloved wife of Frank Stewart also their daughter Margaret who died 7th Nov 1985 aged 83. 1883. Erected in memory of John Thomson (Muirhead) d 7 Oct 1879 a 28yr, son John d 7 May 1873 a 1yr 6mnths, Wm Thomson (Muirhead) d 15 Jan 1881 a 30yr, their father Charles Thomson (Muirhead) d (1?) May 1890 a 78yr, their mother Barbara Tacker d 14 Jul 1890 a 71yr, also Charles son of above Charles d at Gallowhill 19 Dec 1924 a 61yr, also James Thomson son of above Charles Thomson d 21 March 1933 a 77yr. Erected to the memory of James Gordon b 21 July 1818 d 4 Aug 1881 also Janet Thomson his wife b Dec 1818 d 5 June 1895. Erected by James McFarlane farmer Whitfield in mem of his father James McFarlane who d 31 Dec 1866 a 71yr his mother Isabella Thomson d 24 Jul 1868 a 81yr his sons John d a 11 and Thomas d Australia a 30yr also in mem of his beloved wife Jane Bruce Thomson who d 18 Jun 1875 a 39yr and their son John McFarlane d 15 Feb 1874 a 10 months. The above James McFarlane d 23 Sep 1903 a 32yr also Rosabel Lyon beloved wife of William McFarlane who d 24 May 1922 a 60yr and James McFarlane who d 27 March 1933 a 64. 1867. Erected to the memory of David Thomson who d at Woodside 11th June 1861 also Mary Thomson his wife who d at Woodside on 21st Nov 1873 also Mary Thomson dau of David Thomson junr who d at Woodside on the 7th Oct 1874 a 6yr and 9mnth. Also Mary Thomson dau of the above who d at Perth 26 March 1930 a 84yr. In mem of Lizzie Cromb wife of Ralph Thomson who d 15 July 1930 a 41 also Ralph their son who died in infancy also the above Ralph Thomson who d Nov 1963 a 72yr. 1877. Erected by Ann Thomson in memory of her husband Peter Thomson (Burrelton) who d Nov 1878 a 66yr and their son George who d March 1868 a 25yr. As well as many of the above, I have photos of three of the Thomson gravestones which Mary has already told us about. One of these, dated 1765, is an enormous memorial perhaps 15 ft high. hope that helps someone! Gavin.

Cargill (from notes in MI book looks like the answer is none survived. Registrar general 338 Baptism 1652-74 (damaged) 1706-1854 (no mother's name until 1807) Marriages 1653-74 (damaged) 1708-75 (marriage pawns only) 1818-54 Deaths 1709-75 (mortcloth dues), 1832-36 KS minutes 1652-74 (damaged by damp) Cargill Heritors minute book etc. 1830-94 Perth Sheriff coutr records include a marrige contract Barony of Stobhall Estate Annex documents) I found on SCRAN Fasti Ecclesiae Scoticanae iv 149 cargill ministers from 1567 Ewing Anals of the FC (ministers of Free kirk) Burrelton FC here the congregation, originally Burgher had joined the Church of Scotland in 1839, and "came out" in 1843, but was without a minister from 1845-53 Roman Catholic chapel at Stobhall (Drummond family) No registers are known. Entries in Dundee. HTH, Mary

Can anyone tell me something about Shuttlefield, Perth?. My 4 x ggrandfather. John JOHNSTON, was a shipsmaster of Shuttlefield. He was said to have a brother who looked after the warehouse whilst John traded with Spain. Said to have a Spanish bride but I have not managed to find anything about that so far. His daughter, Elizabeth, widow of James Wilkie, emigrated to New Zealand, arr. there 17 March, 1841, from Perth with her daughter, Mary, Mary's husband, John Watterson, and their children. In my gt. uncle's hall at the beginning of the20th century, was a portrait of a Spanish lady. Thanks in advance. Iiris from Auckland, New Zealand

I am also looking for marriages at Cargill for this period. ANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: Rhonda Windsor <rwindsor@tpg.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: [PERTH] Do marriage registers exist for Cargill between 1775 and 1818? > Hi all, > > Does anybody know of the existence of Marriage registers for Cargill for the period 1775 and 1818? I am interested in amrriages that I believe that occurred here in the late 1790's. > > Thanks again, > > Rhonda > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > ----------------------------------------------- > Visit the PERTHSHIRE Mailing List Web Site at > http:// www.rootsweb.com/~sctper/ > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > ----------------------------------------------- > >

> I am also looking for marriages at Cargill for this period. > > ANNE ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, I think the following is what you are looking for, Cargill Parish number 338 years 1652-1836 see :- http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp film numbers 1040073 Items 4 and 5 and 1040074 Items 1-2 or 0102700 Also found by going to David Wills site, an invaluable site for checking the location of Parishes, Parish numbers etc. at http://www.ktb.net/~dwills/scotref/13300-scottishreference.htm http://www.ktb.net/~dwills/scotref/13310-parishlist.htm http://www.ktb.net/~dwills/scotref/13302-bmdtables.htm http://www.ktb.net/~dwills/scotref/f-323-398.htm regards, Maureen Kuzyk

Hi all, Does anybody know of the existence of Marriage registers for Cargill for the period 1775 and 1818? I am interested in amrriages that I believe that occurred here in the late 1790's. Thanks again, Rhonda

Hello Listers, A very clever Maureen, worked out that my original listing for a 1797, MCKENZIE/BLAIR marriage, which asked for information about Aberfeldy, should have read Aberfoyle! Maureen has discovered that it was Agnes BLAIR who came from Aberfoyle, and that her father was a John BLAIR in Duchray. Can anyone give me any information about Duchray during the 1700's? Regards, Sheila

Hello Listers, Looking for information about the family of Robert MCNEE, born about 1812, Port of Menteith, parents Robert MCNEE and Catherine MCALPINE. Thanks, Sheila

Yes, Cargill OPR has marriages from 1652 - 1854. Ian McDougall \\!// Pitlochry, Perthshire ( QQ ) macdoug@btinternet.com ---- o00o-(_)-00o----- -----Original Message----- From: anne marie mobbs [mailto:asnedden@bigpond.com] Sent: 31 October 2003 03:53 To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTH] Do marriage registers exist for Cargill between 1775 and 1818? I am also looking for marriages at Cargill for this period. ANNE ----- Original Message ----- From: Rhonda Windsor <rwindsor@tpg.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 12:41 PM Subject: [PERTH] Do marriage registers exist for Cargill between 1775 and 1818? > Hi all, > > Does anybody know of the existence of Marriage registers for > Cargill for the period 1775 and 1818? I am interested in amrriages that I believe that occurred here in the late 1790's. > > Thanks again, > > Rhonda > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > ----------------------------------------------- > Visit the PERTHSHIRE Mailing List Web Site at > http:// www.rootsweb.com/~sctper/ > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > ----------------------------------------------- > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== Footer: Unsubscribe by sending an e-mail to PERTHSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com with ONLY the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and in the body of the message. ( Use PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com for the Digest.) http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html

Hello I know some people on the List have connections with Cuiltrannich, Lawers on Loch Tayside. I have newly received a photograph from a cousin in America of one of the original croft houses, which a friend has scanned. If anyone would like to see it, please e mail me direct. I certainly shows how our country ancestors still lived around the turn of last century Kay

They should be indexed online in the OPR (Old Parish Registers) database on Scotland's People http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/index.php for the usual wee fee. Hope this helps. Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland Email peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching ATKINS, BRUCE, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Hunts, Leics, & Northants,) HAUGHAN (Cumbria & Co. Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, HUNTER, KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow & Perth) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rhonda Windsor" <rwindsor@tpg.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:41 AM Subject: [PERTH] Do marriage registers exist for Cargill between 1775 and 1818? > Hi all, > > Does anybody know of the existence of Marriage registers for Cargill for the period 1775 and 1818? I am interested in amrriages that I believe that occurred here in the late 1790's. > > Thanks again, > > Rhonda > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > ----------------------------------------------- > Visit the PERTHSHIRE Mailing List Web Site at > http:// www.rootsweb.com/~sctper/ > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > ----------------------------------------------- >

Hi Rhonda, Marriage records for Cargill 1775 - 1818 would be Old Parish Records. OPRs and Statutory records to 1875 can be found on the International Genealogy Index (IGI) at www.familysearch.org. If you go tto Hugh Wallis's Genealogical Web Sites you can scan whole batches of records. If there is a Family History Centre near you (the family search site lists where their centres are) you can order in or view the old records on micro-film. The OPR records are indexed at Scotlandspeople, but the images of OPRs are not on-line yet. The IGI is a valuable cross reference to help you with research and time spent learning how to use the familysearch site is worthwhile. Regards, Laura

I'll be going to Scotland next year, does anyone know where a good place to go to look up birth/marriage/death records?? Thanks Roy Morrison (Looking for Morrisons of Dunblane and Robertsons of Fortingall)

Rhonda, I am always willing to try to help where I can. There are two Martin graves at Cargill. Graves 34 and 88. 34 (west side) chisel, square, & dividers, axe (for a wright) 1787. by Alex Martin in Woodend, fa Thos Martin 3.1784, w Janet TASKER 5.1786 [55], bro Thos Martin 10.1786 25 88 1864 by Peter MARTIN, uncle David Harris d Whiteley 1837 36, da Jessie MARTIN d inf, mo Eliz Harris 1857 66, w Isa SCRIMGEOUR 1865 I know that researchers have to rely on records outside the usual B/M/D records. I know as I am having a researcher friend dig around in the archive for me. You never know when you will find the one piece that puts the puzzle together. Genealogist love jig-saw puzzles but ours don't have edge/border pieces and seldom a picture on the box to help. I will put it out to the list in case it helps others. Mary

I'm hoping I've found the marriage of my Alex and Christian Forbes and the baptisms of their 3 children in Dull parish. I'm not sure of my transcription of them. Especially words such as Top, Leigh & Middletown. Is Top an abbreviation or a place? This is my first foray into Scottish parish records. Alexr & Christ Forbes's, Oct 18th 1783 Alexander & Christian Forbes's both in Top gave up their names in order to marriage. Aug. 4th 1784 Marg't Daughter to Alex and Christian Forbes's in Leigh Duntanlich Bapt. Feb. 11, 1786 Alexander Son to Alexander Forbes & Christian Forbes in lower Duntanlich was bap Tax pd Nov 16, 1788 Donald Son to Alexander Forbes & Christian Forbes in Middletown of Dunlau?lleh? was bap Tax pd Thanks to all that put me onto the Duntanlich trail. You were right. Catherine (Forbes) Fryer Victoria, BC Canada

Hello Listers, I very much appreciate the help of the two gentlemen who sent a map and map site plus information about Kettins area where my Geekie family lived. I have thanked them individually, but felt those on the list should know about the kindenss. This list had many kind and helpful people. Faye Irvin Orange Park, Florida

Gavin, My MIs are the same as yours. (Mitchell) Mostly pre-1855 but there are exceptions. The notes in these same books have the other documents...I also found the SCRAN website actually had images of the documents. Rhonda thought that the census location might be Whiteley and then decided it was Whitelea. I wanted her to know that I found a document that shows Whiteley. Barbara's family lived Wolfhill so I knew before doing the MIs that some of the graves were her family. MIs have decoration details like mortality symbols, skulls, skeleton, hourglass (called sandglasses), angels. Initials the old way of imortalizing the person before names were cheap enough to carve. Spouse (in parenthesis) and imo in memory of. fr= from house or farm name. fa father and m mother. I also told her to look at the RCAHMS for text and photos on estates and castle... but I have found lots of little parish churches. The stone books like Scottish Epitaphs by Betty Willsher (who works for RCAHMS) is an example of their good works. I have one relative who collected cup marked stones and places them in his garden and when I contacted the RCAHMS they wanted the photos.. taken by Anne Burgess of the Angus list for me.. to be submitted so they had something on that estate. (Reswallie in Rescobie parish) He was an amatuer archiologist and I found some of his papers at British Library. You just have to be willing to look everywhere. SCRAN is the Scottish Cultural Resource Archive network and has photos searchable by Keyword. Village and parish churches, tools for professions like brickmakers, Kilns, etc. Searching by surname gave me family photos, old Dundee businesses owned by 'rellies'. SCRAN sells excellent CDs on history... and I know I tout them in several emails... and appologize for doing it again.. but it is just that good a source. You need a subscription to see full document or photos and the text.. but you can search and see thumbnails without a subscriptions. The Scotsman Newspaper archive is part of their holdings. RCAHMS Royal Commission of Ancient and Historic Monuments in Scotland... if it is architecture, they collect text from books and photos, business documents even aerial photos of castles and estates. Village and parish churches included and celtic stone circles, even gravestones. You have to register to use the site but it is free. I order holdings of what they have and then order photos after seeing which intrigues me. They do slides, actual photo prints or put them onto CD for you. So the same books you have are my only source besides the excellent websites. The notes section also give the earlier surveys of stones so that a person could go to find one that is now to old/worn/broken to read. I use the MI books more for the notes than for the stones of my Powrie/Pourie families. Out of the 16,000 Scottish born Powries I have found 179 stone entries. (So you can see how slim a chance is for a rellie to even have a stone.) less than 1% When in Salt Lake, I spent two days just looking through their books on Scotland. They have a Smith Inventory that lists all book entries in these indexes essentially. One of the sets I tried to go through was their excellent collection of Mitchell books for other County/Shires. Untill I looked at the SCRAN annexed estate document, I did not know that such records existed with people's names and what they paid in rent, and other personal data. I will put this out to the list in case it helps others. Sorry if I put people to sleep. Mary in Oregon

Hi all, Thanks you all for your answers to my questions. All the subscibers to this list are wonderful, and have a wealth of knowledge. Lucky me!!! The concensus is that the place is now known as Whitelea, on the Whitelea Road. According to "Slater's Directory of Scotland" 1900, it was farmed by James Adams (Thanks Moira). Ian, in to my question whether Stelitz was prevously known as Whiteley, said that Strelitz was "a hamlet between the Sidlaw Hills and the River Tay, Strelitz lies a mile (1½ km) to the south west of Burrelton and 8 miles north of Perth. It was originally designed in 1763 to house soldiers discharged from fighting at the end of the Third Silesian or Seven Years' War and takes its name from a Prussian town then noted for its manufacture of linen and other fabrics." As it was named in 1763, so it could not known as Whiteley. Eddie gave the address for another map site http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/getamap/. which gives even more detail on the 1:25,000 map and allowed me to locate Whitelea farm. Whitelea farm appears to be on one side of the road, and Strelitz is less than 500 metres along the other side of road. Again, thanks all who helped. Regards, Rhonda

Dear Alistair I too have Robertsons of Perthshire origins who married Perthshire Campbells in Coatbridge, Lanarkshire. Both families presumably moved there to work in the Carron Company iron foundries - my GGF Donald Campbell was a Journeyman Ironmoulder and died aged 45 in 1917 from unknown cause (collapsed in the street). Here is the information I have from Scottish Roots who did an excellent job for me hwen I was living abroad and couldn't access any records. If you find any links with your Robertsons, can you let me have anything relevant. Thanks & regards Caroline Campbell Yeo RESEARCHING: DEWAR, CAMPBELL, ROBERTSON, THOM(P)SON, Lanarkshire // CAMPBELL, ROBERTSON, STARK, CRUMPTON, Perthshire // MCFARLANE, MCLACHLAN, Argyllshire PERTHSHIRE-D-request@ro otsweb.com To: PERTHSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com cc: 30/10/2003 04:02 AM Subject: PERTHSHIRE-D Digest V03 #206 Please respond to PERTHSHIRE-L ----- Message from Unknown on Unknown ----- PERTHSHIRE-D Digest Volume 03 : Issue 206 Today's Topics: #6 [PERTH] Re: Robertsons ["Alistair Bell" <alibell@tiscali.c] ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== -------------------------------------------------- ALL messages are recorded in the Rootsweb archives. http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html -------------------------------------------------- ______________________________ ----- Message from "Alistair Bell" <alibell@tiscali.co.uk> on Wed, 29 Oct 2003 15:29:01 -0000 ----- To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTH] Re: Robertsons Hi David, Many many Thanks!! This is incredible. I'll try to make up a Word file of my Robertsons. Although I think I may have sent you most of what I have. If you come across anything relative, (so to speak) please let me know. I've sent the marriage certificate of my Great Great Grand Parents, Andrew Milne & Catherine Robertson, on a separate E-Mail. Cheers Alistair Bell.

Hello Caroline My major brick wall is LAMOND and ROBERTSON. Does any of this connect with your ROBERTSON's ? This is what I have from the Kirkmichael, Perthshire OPR, 8 Sept 1798. "Robert LAMOND and Margaret ROBERTSON both in this parish contracted." Does this mean they were born in Kirkmichael, or were just residing in Kirkmichael at that time? (need parents and death info for both). The next time I find them is in the Kirkmichael OPR, 21 June 1799 when daughter Janet LAMOND is born (need marriage, children, and death info). Subsequently two more children were born that I know of: Son John LAMOND, 14 May 1802, Dundee, Angus Son James LAMOND, 20 July 1806, Kettins, Angus (need marriage, children, and death info) Betty in California