Thanks to Peter, Roslyn and Barbara for helping me. I will contact the Scottish Genealogy Society for MI's for Duntanlich, though this death was between 1788 and 1792 so I know that the chances of a readable tombstone are not great. I did look for a will for an Alexander Forbes in that period, and there were 3, but I'm not sure enough of the courts and the name is pretty common. He probably died young so he may not have made a will. The young were probably just as invincible then as they are now. It states in his widow's obit that she was a widow for over 65 years. I did find a will for his son in PEI which was a great help Thanks again, Catherine Peter Freshwater wrote: A useful site, for viewing digitised wills, is Scottish Documents at http://www.scottishdocuments.com/ A flat fee of GB£5.00 (US$8.00) will purchase you a copy of any will in the database, which now has 520,000 wills dating from 1500 to 1901. The images are excellent, but reading late C18 and early C19 legal handwriting can be tedious and frustrating. Hope this helps. Peter

Sheila wrote: <snip> > I would > like to know more > about the "Castle Huntley Mansion House" and "Mrs Armstead" whom > I have not been > able to find in the 1881 Census. <snip> What a fascinating story! A Google search found a mention of Castle Huntley, Longforgan at http://www.fitzwalter.com/afh/Armitstead/armithist1.htm (another fascinating story - the word "scurrilous" is used about it!) But the name is spelled there as Armitstead - perhaps you might search under that spelling in the census? A marriage referred to on that site is in the IGI as follows: George ARMITSTEAD m Jane Elizabeth BAXTER, 19 May 1848 in Dundee. And it seems that George (1824-1915) did become Lord Armitstead. Regards, Judy

Hello Judy, Thank you for the web site address (what a story!) and the IGI info. I was able to find Jane Eliz. Armitstead in the 1881 Census where she is, not surprisingly, listed as unmarried. Sheila ---------------------- Dwelling: Inchmartine House Census Place: Errol, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203505 GRO Ref Volume 351 EnumDist 2 Page 1 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Jane Eliz. ARMITSTEAD U 54 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Sister (Head) Wm. E. E. BAXTER 9 m M Liff & Benvie, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Grandson Mary A. MITCHELL U 28 F Livingstone, Linlithgow, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Nurse Domestic Servt Isabella WATERSTON U 24 F Forfar, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Ladys Maid Jessie HAY U 26 F Dundee, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: House Maid Margt. ROBERTS U 29 F Bervie, Kincardine, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Laundry Maid Marjory ALLEN U 18 F Strathkinness, Fife, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Kitchen Maid Chas. ROBERTSON U 29 M Errol, Perth, Scotland Rel: Servant Occ: Groom Barbara SHARP W 52 F Arbroath, Forfar, Scotland Occ: Housekeeper Eliz. SHARP U 19 F Liff & Benvie, Forfar, Scotland Rel: Visitor Occ: Pupil Teacher In a message dated 11/20/03 10:08:11 PM, japhilip@ozemail.com.au writes: << Sheila wrote: <snip> > I would > like to know more > about the "Castle Huntley Mansion House" and "Mrs Armstead" whom > I have not been > able to find in the 1881 Census. <snip> What a fascinating story! A Google search found a mention of Castle Huntley, Longforgan at http://www.fitzwalter.com/afh/Armitstead/armithist1.htm (another fascinating story - the word "scurrilous" is used about it!) But the name is spelled there as Armitstead - perhaps you might search under that spelling in the census? A marriage referred to on that site is in the IGI as follows: George ARMITSTEAD m Jane Elizabeth BAXTER, 19 May 1848 in Dundee. And it seems that George (1824-1915) did become Lord Armitstead. Regards, Judy >>

By birth she was Jane Elizabeth Baxter, part of the family of Dundee jute merchants & manufacturers. She married George Armistead, a Russian born Dundee jute merchant, in 1848. He apparentlydid not treat her very well, bringing another woman into their house and causing her to flee (see http://www.fitzwalter.com/afh/Armitstead/armithist1.htm ) for details. Regards, Grant Buttars ----- Original Message ----- From: <SKronen266@aol.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 2:58 AM Subject: [PERTH] Castle Huntley Mansion/Mrs Armstead > My grandmother, Bella Donald MARTIN, born 1867, wrote a short biography > before she died in 1964 and part of it is as follows. I would like to know more > about the "Castle Huntley Mansion House" and "Mrs Armstead" whom I have not been > able to find in the 1881 Census. > Sheila, in Belleville, Illinois, USA > > "I do not know how long we were at Kinloch, but my next remembrance was our > stay for several years in the outskirts of Longforgan, a village on the main > road between Dundee and Perth. . . . > Castle Huntley Mansion House was a short distance from the village and the > grounds were open to many picnic parties from Dundee, chiefly Sunday School > Picnics and we children had a share in many of them. . . > Our next move was to the village of Inchture, about two miles from Longforgan > . . . > As we move in the middle of the school term, I walked to Longforgan School to > finish my year there, Grade Six and Seven, and afterwards went to Inchture > School, three rooms and usually three pupil teachers. As I was top scholar and > eighth standard, they wanted to keep me as pupil teacher, but as there was no > vacancy, the Lady Bountiful of the district, Mrs. Armstead, paid me my first > year's salary. I was not at all anxious to be a teacher but was not given my > choice. . . . We pupil teachers were very fortunate as Lady Armstead paid > expenses often for the pupil teachers to take advantage of any special speakers > or exhibitions held in Dundee. She was a very well educated lady and held > classes for a few young women at the Mansion Home every Sunday afternoon, a class > none of us liked to miss. My oldest sister Kate, who had learned the trade of > dressmaking, was also a member of that class, and after being in Perth for > some time became engaged to be married. Lady Armstead financed all the wedding, > our bridesmaid dresses, and Kate's wedding one (plus a beautiful cloak) and > sent her butler and maid with everything for the wedding feast and also to > serve it." >

Sheila, right at this minute, I cannot tell you too much about the family you are looking for, but the name is ARMITSTEAD, not Armstead, so maybe that is why you cannot find it on the 1881 census. Have you tried the 1901 census? Castle Huntly Mansion, is Castle Huntly - i.e. a proper Castle, which was, sometime ago, turned into a Prison. It still retains its characteristics, on the outside anyway. It has a long history going back hundreds of years. Try doing a search for both Castle Huntly and Armitstead, and you will come up with some information. Regards, Dorothy (Longforgan)

My grandmother, Bella Donald MARTIN, born 1867, wrote a short biography before she died in 1964 and part of it is as follows. I would like to know more about the "Castle Huntley Mansion House" and "Mrs Armstead" whom I have not been able to find in the 1881 Census. Sheila, in Belleville, Illinois, USA "I do not know how long we were at Kinloch, but my next remembrance was our stay for several years in the outskirts of Longforgan, a village on the main road between Dundee and Perth. . . . Castle Huntley Mansion House was a short distance from the village and the grounds were open to many picnic parties from Dundee, chiefly Sunday School Picnics and we children had a share in many of them. . . Our next move was to the village of Inchture, about two miles from Longforgan . . . As we move in the middle of the school term, I walked to Longforgan School to finish my year there, Grade Six and Seven, and afterwards went to Inchture School, three rooms and usually three pupil teachers. As I was top scholar and eighth standard, they wanted to keep me as pupil teacher, but as there was no vacancy, the Lady Bountiful of the district, Mrs. Armstead, paid me my first year's salary. I was not at all anxious to be a teacher but was not given my choice. . . . We pupil teachers were very fortunate as Lady Armstead paid expenses often for the pupil teachers to take advantage of any special speakers or exhibitions held in Dundee. She was a very well educated lady and held classes for a few young women at the Mansion Home every Sunday afternoon, a class none of us liked to miss. My oldest sister Kate, who had learned the trade of dressmaking, was also a member of that class, and after being in Perth for some time became engaged to be married. Lady Armstead financed all the wedding, our bridesmaid dresses, and Kate's wedding one (plus a beautiful cloak) and sent her butler and maid with everything for the wedding feast and also to serve it."

Does anyone have access to the PRs for Lethendy & Kinloch? My 2G Grandfather's baptism is listed in the IGI as follows: JAMES WILLIAMSON CHALMERS Birth: AUG 1835 Christening: 26 DEC 1841 Lethendy And Kinloch, Perth, Scotland Father: JAMES CHALMERS Mother: ANN PARKER I'm hoping that the original PR entry may contain some clue other than the above that will help me to trace his parents' dates and origins. I'm presently housebound so can't get to a Records Centre, but am always happy to do look-ups from BVRI Ver 2, 1881 British census (inc. Scotland), the 1851 censuses of Devon, Somerset, Norfolk, Warwickshire, Gloucestershire, Bristol and Wiltshire, and MIs for East Perthshire (Strathmore & the Carse of Gowrie). Best wishes, Sue

Thanks to Peter, Roslyn and Barbara for helping me. I will contact the Scottish Genealogy Society for MI's for Duntanlich, though this death was between 1788 and 1792 so I know that the chances of a readable tombstone are not great. I did look for a will for an Alexander Forbes in that period, and there were 3, but I'm not sure enough of the courts and the name is pretty common. He probably died young so he may not have made a will. The young were probably just as invincible then as they are now. It states in his widows obit that she was a widow for over 65 years. I did find a will for his son in PEI which was a great help Thanks again, Catherine Peter Freshwater wrote: >A useful site, for viewing digitised wills, is Scottish Documents at >http://www.scottishdocuments.com/ A flat fee of GB£5.00 (US$8.00) will >purchase you a copy of any will in the database, which now has 520,000 wills >dating from 1500 to 1901. The images are excellent, but reading late C18 >and early C19 legal handwriting can be tedious and frustrating. > >Hope this helps. > >Peter > > > > > > > >

Hi Catherine Unlike English parishes before general registration, very few Scottish parishes maintained death or burial records, and Scotland's People has not published them. Those few that do exist are still held in the GROS but are not accessible on line. Volumes of monumental inscriptions have been published for many Scottish counties, and may be purchased as booklets from FHSs or from the Scottish Genealogy Society. The National Library of Scotland has a set on the open shelves of its Reading Room. These are very useful but are limited to what inscriptions were extant and legible when the surveys were done. Perthshire is well covered by MI volumes. A useful site, for viewing digitised wills, is Scottish Documents at http://www.scottishdocuments.com/ A flat fee of GB£5.00 (US$8.00) will purchase you a copy of any will in the database, which now has 520,000 wills dating from 1500 to 1901. The images are excellent, but reading late C18 and early C19 legal handwriting can be tedious and frustrating. Hope this helps. Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland Email peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching ATKINS, BRUCE, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Hunts, Leics, & Northants,) HAUGHAN (Cumbria & Co. Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, HUNTER, KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow & Perth) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine Fryer" <nomdeplume@shaw.ca> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: [PERTH] Death records > Have not found any death records for Scotland through the Mormon church. > Just baptismal and marriages. Does Scotland's People have the death > records for the late 1700's on their site? > > Thanks, Catherine > Victoria, BC Canada > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: The Perthshire Mailing List is for the exchange of genealogical and historical information about the Perthshire area of Scotland. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html >

Have not found any death records for Scotland through the Mormon church. Just baptismal and marriages. Does Scotland's People have the death records for the late 1700's on their site? Thanks, Catherine Victoria, BC Canada

Thank you Peter and Bill. It is Foss. I also got the ordnance map for Blair Atholl from 1863 and found Foss on it today. Didn't jump out at me last night. I was still looking for something with a T & an f. Catherine William B. Dow wrote: >Catherine, > >Would the place you are looking for be Foss? Foss is located on the >southwest side of Loch Tummel. It is about 10km northnorthwest of Dull via >the B-846 roadway through the Strath of Appin. Old handwriting would show >the double 's' in Foss as 'fs' > >Bill Dow, >Carrollton, Texas, USA > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <nomdeplume@shaw.ca> >To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:47 PM >Subject: [PERTH] Tofs, Fofs > > > > >>I've been spending a lot of time trolling through the OPR's of Dull and >> >> >have realized that the place I thought was Top is really Tofs or Fofs. Not >sure of the writing in the late 1700's. I also managed to get the 1783 map >of Perthshire for that area and found the place near Loch Tumel. > > >>Can anyone give me any idea of the correct spelling and pronunciation? >> >>Thanks, Catherine >>Victoria, BC Canada >> >>Is it as rainy in Scotland as it is here on Vancouver Island? >> >> > > > > >

The spelling will probably be TOSS or FOSS. At that time a 's' in the middle of a word was usually written like an italic 'f', so what we now know as 'ss' then looked like 'fs'. Hope this helps. Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland Email peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching ATKINS, BRUCE, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Hunts, Leics, & Northants,) HAUGHAN (Cumbria & Co. Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, HUNTER, KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow & Perth) ----- Original Message ----- From: <nomdeplume@shaw.ca> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 5:47 AM Subject: [PERTH] Tofs, Fofs > I've been spending a lot of time trolling through the OPR's of Dull and have realized that the place I thought was Top is really Tofs or Fofs. Not sure of the writing in the late 1700's. I also managed to get the 1783 map of Perthshire for that area and found the place near Loch Tumel. > > Can anyone give me any idea of the correct spelling and pronunciation? > > Thanks, Catherine > Victoria, BC Canada > > Is it as rainy in Scotland as it is here on Vancouver Island? > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > DON'T copy complete messages in your replies. > Cut and paste only the sections you need to make > your point. ALL messages are archived. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- >

Catherine, Would the place you are looking for be Foss? Foss is located on the southwest side of Loch Tummel. It is about 10km northnorthwest of Dull via the B-846 roadway through the Strath of Appin. Old handwriting would show the double 's' in Foss as 'fs' Bill Dow, Carrollton, Texas, USA ----- Original Message ----- From: <nomdeplume@shaw.ca> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2003 11:47 PM Subject: [PERTH] Tofs, Fofs > I've been spending a lot of time trolling through the OPR's of Dull and have realized that the place I thought was Top is really Tofs or Fofs. Not sure of the writing in the late 1700's. I also managed to get the 1783 map of Perthshire for that area and found the place near Loch Tumel. > > Can anyone give me any idea of the correct spelling and pronunciation? > > Thanks, Catherine > Victoria, BC Canada > > Is it as rainy in Scotland as it is here on Vancouver Island?

I've been spending a lot of time trolling through the OPR's of Dull and have realized that the place I thought was Top is really Tofs or Fofs. Not sure of the writing in the late 1700's. I also managed to get the 1783 map of Perthshire for that area and found the place near Loch Tumel. Can anyone give me any idea of the correct spelling and pronunciation? Thanks, Catherine Victoria, BC Canada Is it as rainy in Scotland as it is here on Vancouver Island?

I am still researching for more information on my Euphan Gardiner, born 1749 in Kinfauns, dau of James. I know there are a lot of Gardiner/Gardners from Kinfauns and I would love to connect her with them. All I know if her father's name. Can someone help? thank you Barbara Lewis

Hi Folks, I have 3 Word file available from what I've researched. Please let me know if you want one. Many thanks, Alistair Bell. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.538 / Virus Database: 333 - Release Date: 10/11/03

Can some kind person look up on the 1841 and 1851 census for a John Robertson occupation Postillion or Coachman wife Isabella married in Perth in 1831 Daughter Catheine b. Perth 1832 Son John and maybe listed as John R.b. Perth 1833. This is all I have been able to find listed as children. John Robertson is listed as deceased when his son John or John R. is married in Perth in 1856 to Barbara Bell. I am at a standstill on my Robertson Family. Thanks in advance for any help. Regards, Kaye

I have lost touch with Roy Hales and Julie Sauter.. Please email me. Annie a McGregor Researcher. "Cuimhnich air na daoine o'n d'thainig thu" Remember the men from whom you are sprung.

The inventory of my ancestor, John STEWART in Lionach + 1843, mentions a joint tenancy of one half of the lands of Gartnafuaran held with his brother Donald. I think this Donald was a half brother, born in Lionach of Glenbuckie in 1782, the son of Peter & Katherine FERGUSON. It is also probable that Donald married Christian STEWART in 1813 - they had 13 kids, all in Lionach. Does anyone have a connection to this lot ? Regards, Don McArthur, Johannesburg.

Does anyone know if the family STEWART, of Glenbuckie still exists? My STEWART ancestors were tenants of theirs in Leanoch of Glenbuckie from about 1770 till the 1840s Would any estate records survive from that far back - and if so where might they be ? Regards, Don McArthur, Johannesburg