It is time to redo my families and see if there is someone out there who have the same family ties. I have not gotten very far. John Constable married to Ann Prain Helen Constable married to George Beanstone Isabella Beanstone married to John Shewster Isabella Shewster married to John Robertson all of these seem to be in the Perth Kinnoull area dating from 1760's to 1831 on marriages first to last listed, Children of John Robertson and Isabella Shewster that I know of are. Catherine b. 1832 John R. Robertson b.1833 both in Perth, Perth John R. Robertson married Barbara Bell in 1856 Perth Children: John Robertson b 1856 Perth immigrated to Boston Mass. James Bell Robertson b. 1858 Little Dunkeld Janet Bell Robertson b. 1859 Little Dunkeld Isabella Shewster Robertson b. 1861 Fowlis Wester Alexander Robertson b. 1862 Fowlis Wester and is living at Burnbank Terrace in 1896 in Perth Caroline Robertson b. 1862 Fowlis Wester Isabella Robertson b. 1864 Calandar George Robertson/ b. 1867 Calandar Robert Bell Robertson b. 1869 in England Charles Robertson b. 1871 Strathdon Aberdeenshire Will Robertson b. 1873 (William) Strathdon Aberdeenshire David Bell Robertson 1874 (died) Strathdon Aberdeenshire Henry Robertson b. 1876 Starthdon Aberdeenshire Thomas Robertson b. 1878 Strathdon Aberdeenshire The last five probably at Greenstyle, Strathdon, Aberdeenshire The family is then in Dundee for the 1881 Census and Barbara dies there is 1884 and John and several children go back to Perth, Kinnoull and he remarries a Jane Rodger Smith Peters. John's mother Isabella Robertson nee Shewster dies at Bridgend in 1871 and her sister Helen Robertson nee Shewster gives the information. When John dies his son Alexander gives the information in 1896. John R. Robertson was a stage coach driver and they seemed to move often. His father in law is living with them in Strathdon in the 1871 census. His name is James Bell, Brassfinisher and is from Dundee. His wife is not with him but does not die until 1877 in Dundee and she then is listed as a widow. Bell family: James Bell b. 1800 in Dundee Janet Bell nee Thomson b. 1802 Collessie, Fife Children; Robert Bell b. 1832 Canongate, Edinburgh Barbara Bell b. 1836 Edinburgh, Edinburgh James Bell b. 1838 Perth, Perth Janet Bell b. 1840 Helen Bell b. 1850 ? Janet Bell nee Thomson parents are Robert Thomson married to Janet Bell in 1771 in Monimail Fife. I have several children listed but since some only had a fathers name am unsure of them. Is there anyone in Perth or Angus or Fife with any of these families? I am hoping 2004 will bring some breakthroughs. Regards, Kaye

Nelda I would be very interested in Finlay in Ireland and Usa. Can you e-mail at marshane@telus.net. Thanks Margie

Hi, Still looking for my RUTHERFORD connection from Huron County, Ontario, Canada back to Perthshire. James RUTHERFORD (Jan. 1829-Apr.1897), was born in Perth, Scotland, according to his tombstone. Found a James RUTHERFORD in the Old Parochial Registers, 1561-1854, born in 1829, in the following family unit that appears to match up favorably, but I need more proof. Would like to correspond with any descendants of the following RUTHERFORD's and MORRIS/MORRICE's. Thank you. James and Lillias (Morris) Rutherford - married 28 December 1818 in the East Church Parish of Perth - Lillias was the daughter of the Henry Morris of the town of Auchterarder Children: Isabell - b. 5 May 1820 William - b. 10 Jul 1822 Henry - b. 26 Feb 1825 James - b. 23 Jan 1829 Lilias - b. 17 Jan 1832 John - b. 16 May 1834 Catherine - b. 1836 (possible daughter -- not found in the OPR, but another researcher has added her) Elizabeth - b. 13 Aug 1837 Carole Magnuson Lockport, Illinois My website: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/c/a/r/Carole-J-Magnuson/index.html

Hi Mary I suggest McNeill ( F Marian) The Silver Bough. 4 volumes (Glasgow: William Maclellan, 1959 etc.) Vol 1: Scottish folk-lore and folk-beliefs Vol 2: A calendar of Scottish national festivals, Candlemas to Harvest Home Vol 3: A calendar of Scottish national festivals, Hallowe'en to Yule Vol 4: Scottish local festivals I am not sure whether this classic is in print, but it is worth searching Amazon or Abe.Books. Hope this helps. Happy New Year. Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland Email peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching ATKINS, BRUCE, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Hunts, Leics, & Northants,) HAUGHAN (Cumbria & Co. Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, HUNTER, KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow & Perth) ----- Original Message ----- From: <BRUINSWOOD@aol.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2004 1:51 AM Subject: [PERTH] Re: [ANGUS] have a blessed hogmany > Enjoy our unique holiday and the book Scottish customs; cradle to grave > MARGARET BENNETT ISBN 0-7486-6118-2 (It doesn't explain holidays and > festivals.....does anyone know of a good book that does. my great grandfather was Scottish > my grandfather was born in ONTARIO. SO by the time I entered the picture there > were not many traditions the family observed. i would like to learn about them > and pick up some besides singing lullabies. > > can we srart the year by retelling what names we are researching. i research > Powrie/Pourie anywhere and McPhail in stricken parish, Aberdeenshire and > KILLIN AND Fortingal, Perth > > Mary in Oregon > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: The Perthshire Mailing List is for the exchange of genealogical and historical information about the Perthshire area of Scotland. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html >

2004 finds me with the same old brick walls. Clarkes (or Clarks) of Kenmore - Frank and Margaret - need Margaret's maiden name. (marriage c.1870). George and Janet (Borrowdale) Gardiner (marriage c. 1880) and son Martin. The latter was a member of the Australian Imperial Forces WWI. Guessing that they lived near Burrelton The daughter of Alexander CARR and ANN (ROBB) of Scone Her name was MARY ANN and she married a Mr.FERNO (c.1870)(maybe writing not deciphered properly). These have been hopeless cases for a long time, so would be surprised and very grateful to have some clues. Thank you Elizabeth.

Hi, I have the surname Finlay in my files.. One group is in Ireland, The others are in USA.. Are you interested? Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty descendant line #005 Beaty collateral line #10 Graves descendant line #231 Digin up bones at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ _________________________________________________________________ Enjoy a special introductory offer for dial-up Internet access — limited time only! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup

Hi Folks, Mary in Oregon asked: > Enjoy our unique holiday and the book Scottish customs; cradle to grave > MARGARET BENNETT ISBN 0-7486-6118-2 (It doesn't explain holidays and > festivals.....does anyone know of a good book that does One good book is "A Dictionary of British Folk Customs" by Christina Hole (ISBN 0-08293-X). It's not specifically about Scotland, but covers all of Great Britain. Christina Hole seems to know her stuff, and she lists an extensive bibliography. Another book that I enjoy "dipping into" is "Folklore, Myths and Legends of Britain", published back in 1973 by Readers Digest. Again, it isn't specific to Scotland, but contains an amazing amount of information - a really weighty tome, with good illustrations and fascinating detail. Don't know if it's still in print - I was lucky and found mine in a second-hand book shop! Updating my interests, my Perthshire names are: CHALMERS - presently still stuck at my downright annoying "brickwall" of James CHALMERS and Ann/Agnes PARKER. Their son, James Williamson CHALMERS was baptized 1841 at Lethendy & Kinloch, but his parents may as well have come from Alpha Centauri. Any ideas, anyone? MCLANDERS/MCILANDRES and every possible variation under the sun - my line goes back to David MCLANDERS (a Stone Dyker) who married Elspeth MELVILLE in 1778 at Kirkmichael, Perthshire. My own MCLANDERS ended up in Dundee, but I'm always interested in hearing about absolutely any MCLANDERS from anywhere (not quite a one-name study yet, but we're getting there!). Also interested in MELVILLE, MCINTOSH, and FLEMING from Kirkmichael (pre-1800). LUNAN - interested in the LUNAN family from the Perth/Angus borderlands (Christian LUNAN was bap in Eassie & Nevay, 1758, married at Rattray, 1789 to Thomas SCOTT). Plus looking for clues re: earlier members of said SCOTT family. I have lots of info on the CRICHTON family of Bendochy and Alyth, but would welcome more... Oh, and I also have the TAYLOR and PATON families of Gask. I've hardly any data on them, but ever hopeful. At present, all I know is that William TAYLOR married Ann PATON on 12 Nov 1790 at Findo Gask. Their daughter, Marjory/Margery/May TAYLOR, born circa 1791, Gask, married William CRICHTON at Alyth in 1809. I think William TAYLOR died young, as Ann PATON married again, to Gilbert CRICHTON, in 1802 at Alyth. There - that's nicely confusing, isn't it? <g> As ever, I'm always happy to share information with other researchers. Best wishes, and a very Happy Hogmanay to you all, Sue

Hi, Happy New Year to all... I'm new to your list. I joined about a week ago and have been lurking...I didn't want to jump right in and then present myself wrongly. I live in the USA and need assistance with research in Forteviot. I am trying any information on Laurence Think Gillock. Son of unknown. Born About 1728 in Forteviot, Scotland. Died Apr 1786 in Orange Co., VA, Occupation Farmer / Realtor. It is my understanding that there are church records there (WHERE?) in Forteviot for Laurence and his parents and a sister who petitioned the church for permission to beg in the streets for food. Do any of you live near there? Can anyone help me? I'm sure the church was Catholic, but don't know the name of it. If you lived in 1728 in Forteviot, where would you go to take a ship to the new world? If his family was so poor, might he have been a prisoner? or had his voyage paid for by hiring out? I have nothing but the listing for him as born in Forteviot. Thank you for your time.. I will gladly reimburse a person for any costs for research.. Just let me know before hand so I can budget it in my monies. Thank you Nelda 11 X great grand daughter of Laurence Gillock (every record I have seen gives his middle name as think, very unusual..) again thank you Nelda Nelda L. Percival nee Gilpin, IBSSG Beatty descendant line #005 Beaty collateral line #10 Graves descendant line #231 Digin up bones at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~bonsteinandgilpin/ _________________________________________________________________ Worried about inbox overload? Get MSN Extra Storage now! http://join.msn.com/?PAGE=features/es

List Members have been so generous in their help before. I am planning a trip from South Africa to Perth, Aberdalgie, Forteviot and Dundee in April 2004. I would very much want to make contact with any descendants of the following GARVIE family who may still be living in the area. There may even be some subscribed to this group. Is there a White Pages listing I can search on the Net? Or if some kind soul could email me any addresses from the local telephone directories I would greatly appreciate this. Descendants of Lawrence Garvie 1 Lawrence Garvie .. +Janet Hutton ........ 2 John Garvie b: Abt. 1818 in Aberdalgie, Perthshire d: 21 May 1898 in 21 City Rd, Dundee, Scotland ............ +Janet Luke b: Abt. 7 July 1818 in Tibbermuir, Perthshire d: 15 May 1884 m: 20 October 1839 in Forteviot, Perthshire .................. 3 James Garvie b: 29 January 1840 in Burnside, Forteviot, Perthshire d: 13 December 1914 in Dundee, Scotland ...................... +Margaret Mill d: 1 August 1898 in Dundee, Scotland .................. 3 George Garvie b: Abt. 1842 in Forteviot, Perthshire .................. 3 John Garvie b: 14 May 1843 in New Lodge, Dupplin, Perthshire .................. 3 Janet Garvie b: Abt. 1845 in Forteviot, Perthshire d: 29 July 1928 .................. 3 Laurance Garvie b: 12 July 1845 in West Lodge, Dupplin Castle, Aberdalgie d: 5 July 1918 in Johannesburg, Transvaal, South Africa ...................... +Johanna Sutherland b: 18 July 1843 d: 10 February 1928 in Pietermaritzburg, Natal m: 17 December 1869 in District of St Andrew, Edinburgh .................. 3 Elizabeth Garvie b: Abt. 1848 in Forteviot, Perthshire d: 26 April 1881 .................. 3 Charles Garvie b: Abt. 1850 in Forteviot, Perthshire .................. 3 Margaret Garvie b: Abt. 1854 d: 16 July 1875 .................. 3 Jessie Garvie b: Abt. 1856 .................. 3 Mary Ann Garvie b: Abt. 1858 Colin Garvie

I am looking for a David Finlay and Isabella Stewart. They have a daughter Isabella Finlay born in Blairgowrie Abt. 1842.

Enjoy our unique holiday and the book Scottish customs; cradle to grave MARGARET BENNETT ISBN 0-7486-6118-2 (It doesn't explain holidays and festivals.....does anyone know of a good book that does. my great grandfather was Scottish my grandfather was born in ONTARIO. SO by the time I entered the picture there were not many traditions the family observed. i would like to learn about them and pick up some besides singing lullabies. can we srart the year by retelling what names we are researching. i research Powrie/Pourie anywhere and McPhail in stricken parish, Aberdeenshire and KILLIN AND Fortingal, Perth Mary in Oregon

Hello, If anyone on the list is tracing McColl families from Perthshire I would greatly appreciate hearing from you. Thank you, Dorothy

Hello All Thanks to all who responded to my query.The address is ......2@btopenworld.com. It appears that instead of being 'broadminded" and having a global view,all I could imagine was the "waves" pounding the Shetland coast. May everyone have a Happy New Year. Douglas S.Africa

Douglas - first hint - a valid email address does not contain any blanks. If you think there are any either ignore them or replace them with underscores "_". Next hint, there certainly must be an "@" in a proper email address somewhere. The thing before the "@" is their "email account name" and the thing after the "@" is the ISP or service hosting their email account. Next, I wondered if the "openwaves.com" part was correct so I went to that web site (http://openwaves.com) and found that it is about the dance community and it allows you to get your own email address there, and some of the names "visible" on the front page including: dancerbabe04, DanceChic92, DaNcEnSpOrTzBeBe. So certainly some weird combinations of things are likely and that makes it near impossible to guess. But if we put the "@" where the "e" is then you'd be looking for b5openwaves.com and that doesn't exist. You've got some trial and error or some sleuthing to do. Or perhaps, given that you know the name and address, a call to 192 directory assistance might be in order? Try http://192.com. I heard it was free over Christmas. Regards - Glen C. Bodie Web http://www.glenbodie.com Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com -----Original Message----- From: Douglas J Clark [mailto:djclark@netactive.co.za] Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 8:11 AM To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTH] Deciphering Hello All We often puzzel over the writing of census takers and that appearing on other documents.I recently received a Christmas card from relatives in the Shetland Islands and in it was written their E-mail address which I am finding difficult to decipher.I have tried various combinations but they all bounce back. The address looks like " T.Sutherland 2 e B5 openwaves.com" - should the 2 be Z ; the e be @ ; or what other possible combination? Is there anyone who knows how this ISP allocates/sets out it's addresses - it would save me the time of a "snail mail" to clarify the address. Many thanks Douglas

Is there anyone out there who lives in or near St Vigeans? I am trying to identify an area on a death certificate and I don't have the expertise to post an image anywhere for general perusal. The certificate is an 1883 death certificate for Agnes FAULDS age 61 widow of John FAULDS Her usual address is shown as 24 St. Vigeans Rd, which I found OK Multi Map She was found dead at the [looks like] - - - dding Moss and cause of death was drowning so I am ssuming it must have been or is a small water area. The word Moss is identifiable on a blow up of the image. Does this ring a bell with any of the locals?? Any help appreciated Elizabeth jean

Might this be 'Whiting Ness', on the coast just east of Arbroath? Hope this helps, Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland Email peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching ATKINS, BRUCE, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Hunts, Leics, & Northants,) HAUGHAN (Cumbria & Co. Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, HUNTER, KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow & Perth) ----- Original Message ----- From: "ejaycee" <ejandrac@bigpond.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2003 9:05 AM Subject: [PERTH] location on certificate - St Vigeans > > Is there anyone out there who lives in or near St Vigeans? > I am trying to identify an area on a death certificate and I don't > have the expertise to post an image anywhere for general perusal. > > The certificate is an 1883 death certificate for Agnes FAULDS age 61 > widow of John FAULDS Her usual address is shown as 24 St. Vigeans Rd, > which I found OK Multi Map > > She was found dead at the [looks like] - - - dding Moss and cause of > death was drowning so I am ssuming it must have been or is a small > water area. The word Moss is identifiable on a blow up of the image. > > Does this ring a bell with any of the locals?? > Any help appreciated > > Elizabeth jean > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: The Perthshire Mailing List is for the exchange of genealogical and historical information about the Perthshire area of Scotland. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html >

Hello All We often puzzel over the writing of census takers and that appearing on other documents.I recently received a Christmas card from relatives in the Shetland Islands and in it was written their E-mail address which I am finding difficult to decipher.I have tried various combinations but they all bounce back. The address looks like " T.Sutherland 2 e B5 openwaves.com" - should the 2 be Z ; the e be @ ; or what other possible combination? Is there anyone who knows how this ISP allocates/sets out it's addresses - it would save me the time of a "snail mail" to clarify the address. Many thanks Douglas

In a message dated 30/12/03 18:02:47 GMT Standard Time, PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > T.Sutherland 2 e B5 openwaves.com > Hi Douglas, could it be: T.Sutherland2@BTopenworld.com Happy New Year, Regards, Dorothy (Longforgan)

> Below are two entries re the marriage of Margaret and George. The first one > refers to £2.5s Scots collected and also £1.4s.... Can someone clarify for me > please would this money have been paid by the Bride's parents? or the groom? Hello Bob or Brenda, From your message, one entry is for Banns, paid for by the Groom. > How would the amount have been reached?- it seems a lot of money for 1732. The cost for Proclaiming of Banns might be found written at the beginning of the Record book for the years you are researching, costs varied from place to place and time to time, they were set by the Kirk Session > I must admit I did not think to search for other marriage entries to compare > amounts paid. Should have done that. > Also curious about the banns - Listed in Oct. and proclaimed how many times ? Most Record books I have seen give the number of times the Banns were Proclaimed. in Church, i.e. once on three Sabbaths or once on one Sabbath, twice on another, for a total of three Proclamations or Callings, did you not notice a number of days written in the far right column on the page ? The schedule of the Banns had a bearing on the cost of the Banns, if they were read in Church on three different Sundays they would be less costly than Banns read on two Sundays or all three times on one Sunday. > which says they were married on 17th Nov... was this an announcement of the > wedding date or would the date have been entered after the marriage? Announcement, unlikely. Friday 17th Nov. 1732, at http://www.earth.com/calendar?11%2F1732, was the Marriage Date, so you are lucky there, many times only the date of Banns are listed. > Film 0993515 - Parish 329 - Auchterarder. Old Parish registers. > 1732. Page 314 Session Records. > "Sabbath Octr 15th there was collected two pounds five shilling scots. I would read that as the total of Collection Plate monies for that Sunday. > Received in charity from George McLeish and Margaret Marten > when listed for proclamation in order to marriage one pound four sh." The "one pound four sh." was the fee for the Banns > Banns: > October 21st 1732. > "George McLeish and Maragret Marten both of this Parish. > Listed to be proclaimed in order of marriage and this being ordered > and regularly done they were married on the seventeenth of November > seventeen hundred and thirty two years." The Minister or Session Clerk wrote the Date of Marriage in the Record Book, sometime after the ceremony. regards, Maureen Kuzyk.

Hello, Anyone relate to a Cumming family in the Camyhouran district of Kinlochrannoch Duncan Cumming and Catherine Robertson had at least 6 children born around 1840/1850 James, Susan b c 1842, Catherine b c 1847, Alexander, Elizabeth b c 1850 and the youngest John Cumming born c 1851. Susan had an illegitimate child Charles Gordon b 1872 at Blackwood Cottage, Rannoch to William Gordon, a carter. She died at her sister Catherine's home 129 Duke Street, Glasgow in 1885. Catherine married James Hamilton a Glasgow police sergeant in 1882. Elizabeth Cumming married John McDonald in 1872 at Donaheich, Foss. They had two children Catherine in 1876 and Agnes in 1878. Elizabeth's nephew Charles Gordon is with her in 1881 and 1901, while he was with his grandmother Catherine Cumming in Rannoch in 1891. In 1901 he is an inspector with the RSPCA in Aberfeldy. Kay