Hi Mary, I cannot assist with your query but would like to add one of my own to your Hutton thread. I am seeking more information regarding this family.... James Garvie m Janet Hutton 30/08/1812 .....Margaret Garvie 17/07/1813 .....John Murie Garvie 29/12/1816 .....James Garvie 22/05/1819 I am a little perplexed because according to son James Garvie's entry in the Register of Deaths his father is named as Lawrence Garvie and his mother Janet Hutton. Can someone perhaps help resolve this ambiguity for me? Colin Garvie South Africa On 18 Jan 2004 at 8:44, Mary Temple wrote: Date forwarded: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:44:44 -0700 Date sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:44:47 +0800 Forwarded by: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com From: Mary Temple <templemary@hotmail.com> Subject: [PERTH] Hutton To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Hi Listers > > I am wondering if a very kind soul has access to the 1851 census of > Forgandenny and could possibly do a look up for me please. Sorry I do not > have an address but I believe Forgandenny was a small place and am hoping > this will not be too difficult. > > I am interested in Robert Hutton, his wife Grissel and their family known to > be living in that area at that time. > > My very grateful thanks > > Mary in West Oz > > _________________________________________________________________

Individual nonconformist chapels have always tended to keep their own Baptismal and Marriage records; those who had their own burying grounds kept their own Burial records as well, I don't know of a nonconformist church that has a central archive of chapel records, but someone may know differently. Many chapel records have found their way into local archives and record offices, and some into the GRO and GROS. Some, sadly, are lost. If the chapel that you are interested in is south of the Border, there is a useful series of guides to English and Welsh chapels' records issued by the Society of Genealogists. I have the Congregationalist one, which does not include Scotland. The Baptist one is My Ancestors Were Baptists, by G R Breed, 3rd edition (London, 1995). There are probably copies in the Scottish Genealogy Society Library and the National Library of Scotland, and the TVFHS may also have it. I hope this helps. Best wishes, Peter Peter B Freshwater MA MCLIP FSAScot Edinburgh, Scotland Email peter@hillfoot.demon.co.uk Researching ATKINS, BRUCE, FOX, FRESHWATER, PERKINS, SWINGLER (Beds, Hunts, Leics, & Northants,) HAUGHAN (Cumbria & Co. Durham) DOW, FINDLAY, GRAY, HUNTER, KENNEDY (Angus, Glasgow & Perth) ----- Original Message ----- From: "bill and irene cunningham" <cunningham.1@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 10:20 PM Subject: [PERTH] Baptist churches > would a wedding or births be recorded by the baptis church? > > I would be interested in any information on a baptist church in the 1700's > > Irene cunningham > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: The Perthshire Mailing List is for the exchange of genealogical and historical information about the Perthshire area of Scotland. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html >

my goal for this year was to look for my ancestors in Fife as it turns out some of them seem to have come from or gone to somewhere else. Today I found that of one of my 2x's great-grandmothers who was married in St Andrew's, had died in Edinburgh and it's quite possible she was born in Perth. Jane Davidson age 78, wife of Paul Peattie pensioner 42nd Highlanders, died Sept 1867 in St Giles, Edinburgh parents John Davidson, brewer and Janet Smith. In the IGI I found a Jean Davidson baptised April 4, 1789 Tulliallan, Perth dau of John Davidson and Janet Smith. The IGI shows other children listed to this couple, John b 1791 & Janet b 1793. I've noticed that this site has an active interest in the Davidson name and wonder if someone has any information on this family they would be willing to share. Thank you Sandy Dyson

----- Original Message ----- From: "Thistle" <brewstout@adelphia.net> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, January 16, 2004 1:21 PM Subject: [PERTH] Re: PERTHSHIRE-D Digest V04 #12 > >To get a copy of just one English certificate costs £8 50p, and that's if >you give them chapter and verse, and we're grumbling! >Regards, >Sheila >-I have just been informed of the following website which makes available ALL English B/M/D records since 1837 (for 10 pence per view). <www.1837online.com> Yes, but you sometimes have to trawl through 100 pages at 10p a time, then send for a certificate at £8-50p! Cost £18-50p Sheila ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== ----------------------------------------------- Visit the PERTHSHIRE Mailing List Web Site at http:// www.rootsweb.com/~sctper/ http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html -----------------------------------------------

would a wedding or births be recorded by the baptis church? I would be interested in any information on a baptist church in the 1700's Irene cunningham

----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Bean" <yvonneb@gil.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 11:15 AM Subject: RE: [PERTH] Re: Scotlands People (was Henderson, Low) Hi, Here in Oz - cost was $15 approx ... because I'd done my homework, I was able to get copies of 5 certificates which would ordinarily cost a mint as they were outside the years that you could get through the LDS FHC's. I both saved these copies to my hard-drive as well as printed them out. A SCT certificate is normally around $30 each. My advice is: 1. to do your homework first & have enough information on each person 2. make sure you have 5 certificates or census entries that you want copies of. You only have a certain time limit to use these points. You don't loose what you have left after the time expiry; you just have to spend another £6 to get them back again. I agree wholeheartedly with what you say........ I found my first visit was a learning curve and I didn't get full value in the wayof image downloads, but I had learned a lot for next time. I think it is an invaluable site for those of us on the other side of the worl or who can't get there. . I admit to never ordering an extract as I think they are expensive at appx 12 GBP and they don't have much more than you get on the search result, but for anything from the Statutory records I consider it dirt cheap. Especially when I am told it costs 17.500 GBP for a day pass, plus parking and getting there. Elizabeth Jean

hi again, i wrote the guld archivist and thought you might all be interested in what he said. the book is pictured on the websites i listed at the bottom. mary in oregon Subj: Re: (no subject) Date: 1/16/04 2:18:20 AM Pacific Standard Time From: duffus@clara.co.uk (Innes Duffus) To: BRUINSWOOD@aol.com Many thanks for your enquiry. My records are mainly concerned with the Nine Incorporated Trades of Dundee (the Bakers, Cordiners, Glovers, Tailors, Fleshers, Bonnetmakers, Hammermen, Weavers, and Dyers). However I have done considerable research into the Three United Trades of Dundee (Masons, Wrights, and Slaters). I have on record for example the names of all those who were entered as Masters in their 'Lockit Books' from the beginning of their records, around 1670, to the present day. I have also given various talks and lectures on the history of all these Trades and their effect on the growth and development of the City. The various Trades were only concerned with matters within the boundaries of the burgh and had little or no communication with anyone from outside, indeed they did all that they could to prevent outsiders from working within their jurisdiction. There were two Powries entered into the Mason Trade, a James Powrie, of 82 Peddie Street in 1896 and an Andrew Powrie in 1896. There is no other reference to either of them in the records. Sorry that I have been of so little help, but if there is any more I can do for you, please do not hesitate to ask. Innes Innes A. Duffus Archivist to the Nine Incorporated Trades of Dundee 15 Charlotte Street DUNDEE DD3 8QP Tel: 01382 826602 http://www.duffus.com/archivists/innes3.htm -interior of book http://www.duffus.com/archivists/innes2.htm -exterior of book

Hi helia and other list members, I have used 1837.com. It's a good site however has it's limitations. I has images of the pages of BDM English index (aka St Catherines index), only. The site has the pages indexed by the first 3 letters of the surname, so if you can have multiple pages per quarter to view at 10p per page, this can add up. So this might not suit every one, there are two FREE alternatives, both have their limitations. 1.FreeBMD: http://freebmd.rootsweb.com/cgi/search.pl This of course is still in progress, basicly only up to 1902. This is by the should be your first port of call. 2. The microfishe copies of the indexes, the are fre to view at many public libraries and FHC, of course depending on how upto date is the libiaries microfishe are, they may not go upto the year you require, and there is the cost of getting to the library. The once your armed with the index info ("chapter & Verse"), you can order your cert. If you are lucky enough to reside in the UK you can use the on-line ordering service. http://www.col.statistics.gov.uk/ Certs ordered by this manner only cost 7 GBP (as compared with 8.50) This service is on trail & will be opened to the rest of us, at sometime in the future. If you are lucky like me to have a contact in the UK with a scanner, you can use their address, pay with your (non-UK) credit card, and when the cert arrives in the post at thier place a week later, they can scan it (7 e-mail you the scanned copy) and/or pop it in the snail mail post. I am so glad I am 5 eighths Scot and only a quarter English (Yorkie). We have Scotland's People a cheap and fantastic service with no waiting, just pay & click you have your image. Plus all the info you get on these images, both parents, maiden names, dates of marriage..... Sorry if I am repeating what others have said but I have been away so have missed much of the thread. John Dods Wellington, New Zealand --- Thistle <brewstout@adelphia.net> wrote: > > > > >To get a copy of just one English certificate costs > �8 50p, and that's if > >you give them chapter and verse, and we're > grumbling! > >Regards, > >Sheila > > >-I have just been informed of the following website > which makes available ALL > English B/M/D records since 1837 (for 10 pence per > view). > <www.1837online.com> > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------- > ===== Proud to be a transcriber for the freeCEN Project and volunteer for Random Acts of Geneological Kindness Ask me how you can contribute to either of these worthy projects or for other ways of helping our hobby. Researching BATTERS in Yorkshire BENNIE in Lanarkshire, Dunbartonshire & West Lothian BENNING in Lanarkshire & Montreal COLLINS in California & PA COOPER in Yorkshire DODS in East Lothian, Berwickshire, British Columbia, Montreal, Manchester, South Africa, Hong Kong, India DOUGLAS in Lanarkshire FISHER in Yorkshire FORREST in South Africa HAYTON in Yorkshire HEWAT in East Lothian LAMONT in Lanarkshire LEGGAT in Monreal RANKINE in Dunbartonshire, Perthshire SEYMOUR in British Columbia & Montreal SHIRREFF in East Lothian SNELL in California, Oregeon SUFFILL/SUFFIELD in Yorkshire TROTTER, Lanarkshire, Stirlingshire, West Lothian

> >To get a copy of just one English certificate costs £8 50p, and that's if >you give them chapter and verse, and we're grumbling! >Regards, >Sheila >-I have just been informed of the following website which makes available ALL English B/M/D records since 1837 (for 10 pence per view). <www.1837online.com>

Hi List, Well seeing we're on a Scottish site! To get a copy of just one English certificate costs £8 50p, and that's if you give them chapter and verse, and we're grumbling! Regards, Sheila ----- Original Message ----- From: "Yvonne Bean" <yvonneb@gil.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:15 AM Subject: RE: [PERTH] Re: Scotlands People (was Henderson, Low) Hi, Here in Oz - cost was $15 approx ... because I'd done my homework, I was able to get copies of 5 certificates which would ordinarily cost a mint as they were outside the years that you could get through the LDS FHC's. I both saved these copies to my hard-drive as well as printed them out. A SCT certificate is normally around $30 each. My advice is: 1. to do your homework first & have enough information on each person 2. make sure you have 5 certificates or census entries that you want copies of. You only have a certain time limit to use these points. You don't loose what you have left after the time expiry; you just have to spend another £6 to get them back again. Bonnie B. Subject: [PERTH] Re: Scotlands People (was Henderson, Low) Hi Ann > Elaine, have you ordered from this site? It said 6.00 lbs a credit which > would be about 15.00 Canadian times 30.. Wow.. Expensive.. Can you get 10 > credits? Yes, I have ordered from this site Ann (rather too much for my bank balance <g>) and have found it truly invaluable. Perhaps I did not explain myself well, you get 30 credits for your GBP 6.00 and 30 credits is the minimum you can buy. It is relatively cheap when you can see 5 images if you strike lucky quickly. I do appreciate, however, that with exchange rates being as they are this could appear more expensive to those outside the UK. Regards Elaine ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== -------------------------------------------------- Send all messages to PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com ONLY use the 'request' address to subscribe or to unsubscribe from the list. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html --------------------------------------------------

Hi, Here in Oz - cost was $15 approx ... because I'd done my homework, I was able to get copies of 5 certificates which would ordinarily cost a mint as they were outside the years that you could get through the LDS FHC's. I both saved these copies to my hard-drive as well as printed them out. A SCT certificate is normally around $30 each. My advice is: 1. to do your homework first & have enough information on each person 2. make sure you have 5 certificates or census entries that you want copies of. You only have a certain time limit to use these points. You don't loose what you have left after the time expiry; you just have to spend another £6 to get them back again. Bonnie B. Subject: [PERTH] Re: Scotlands People (was Henderson, Low) Hi Ann > Elaine, have you ordered from this site? It said 6.00 lbs a credit which > would be about 15.00 Canadian times 30.. Wow.. Expensive.. Can you get 10 > credits? Yes, I have ordered from this site Ann (rather too much for my bank balance <g>) and have found it truly invaluable. Perhaps I did not explain myself well, you get 30 credits for your GBP 6.00 and 30 credits is the minimum you can buy. It is relatively cheap when you can see 5 images if you strike lucky quickly. I do appreciate, however, that with exchange rates being as they are this could appear more expensive to those outside the UK. Regards Elaine

Submitting my families of interest Ann Walker b 1737 m Archibald Walker 1762 Children: David 1763 Elizabeth 1765, Christian 1766, Archibald 1768, Thomas b 1769, William b 1772, Cathering b 1774, Jean b 1777 ann B 1778 Christina 1780 & Archibald 1781 David Walker m 1781 Perth Catherine Robertson Children David 1789, Julia 1790 (m William Archer) Colin b 1791, Jean 1793, Grant 1794, Ann 1803 & Jane 1815. Christina Walker b 1780 m Perth John Todd Children John Todd 1816, Archibald Walker Todd 1817 & David Todd 1819 John Todd m Catherine Sandeman abt 1842 Children: Catherine Turnbull Todd 1843, John Archibald Todd 1844, Christina Walker Todd 1846, Annie Todd 1850 & Bessie Elizabeth Walker Todd ? Georgia Clements, Maryborough.Qld.Aust. <gclements42@bigpond.com>

ken, i can always count on you....i was delighted when the list all joined in a chorus singing the praises of your website. did you create it yourself or did someone build it for you? i have long wanted a website for all my powries. i try to follow a family at least one generation into and out of my surname....but you may not... sheila, ian and others squared me away... it is just two couples with similar names. i am sure we all wish we had as beautiful a website....i love the puppy...makes you want to adopt him! I am easily frazled these days....this sport and the family i have found among you keep me going....my own family run when i say family history....but i know all of you will cheer with my victories and give ideas about ways to vault my stone walls. i have three children for isabella scott doig and david mcdonald powrie margaret kidd powrie wilhelmina dawes powrie david mcdonald powrie Descendants of Isabella Scott Doig 1.Isabella Scott Doig (b.1888;d.1955-Perth,Perth,Scotland) sp: David McDonald Powrie (b.6 May1887-Brechin;m.23 Oct 1912) 2. MargaretKidd Powrie (b.17 Mar 1913-St. AndrewDundee,Angus,Scotland;d.1987-Perth,Perth,Scotland) sp: Harry Galloway Dean (m.5 Sep 1942) 2. WilhelminaDawes Powrie (b.3 Jul 1914-St. AndrewDundee,Angus,Scotland;d.1982-Perth,Perth,Scotland) sp: Alfred David Kinnoch (m.9 Sep 1936) 2. DavidMcDonald Powrie (b.16 Sep 1916-St. Andrew Dundee,Angus,Scotland) sp: Mary Robertson (m.24 Apr 1946) 3. Diane MaryPowrie (b.23 May 1957-,,Scotland) sp: RobertJames MacGregor (b.15 Dec 1955-,,Scotland;m.6 Sep 1979)

Hi Ann > Elaine, have you ordered from this site? It said 6.00 lbs a credit which > would be about 15.00 Canadian times 30.. Wow.. Expensive.. Can you get 10 > credits? Yes, I have ordered from this site Ann (rather too much for my bank balance <g>) and have found it truly invaluable. Perhaps I did not explain myself well, you get 30 credits for your GBP 6.00 and 30 credits is the minimum you can buy. It is relatively cheap when you can see 5 images if you strike lucky quickly. I do appreciate, however, that with exchange rates being as they are this could appear more expensive to those outside the UK. Regards Elaine

Hi Janet I can't help you directly but I would say that your best bet would be to look up Elizabeth PORTER and Andrew LOW's marriage on Scotland's People on www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk . As you have the date of marriage it should be easy to find the correct entry. This will give you their ages at marriage and also their parents names. This is a pay per view site, it costs GBP6.00 for 30 credits and it will cost you 1 credit to do the search and another 5 credits to view the actual image of the marriage entry. The site is very user friendly and gives excellent instructions on how to proceed. I hope that this is of help to you and that I am not telling you what you already know :-). Kind regards Elaine

Agnes Robertson. Born 16 Aug 1816 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. She was the daughter of James Robertson and Agnes Robertson. She married Unknown. Siblings of Agnes Robertson 1. James Robertson. Born 1 Oct 1805 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 2. John Robertson. Born 30 Nov 1808 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 3. Margaret Robertson. Born 13 Apr 1813 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. Agnes Robertson. Born ABT 1783 Scotland. She married James Robertson. Born ABT 1779 Scotland. Children of Agnes Robertson and James Robertson are: 1. James Robertson. Born 1 Oct 1805 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 2. John Robertson. Born 30 Nov 1808 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 3. Margaret Robertson. Born 13 Apr 1813 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 4. Agnes Robertson. Born 16 Aug 1816 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. James Robertson. Born ABT 1779 Scotland. He married Agnes Robertson. Born ABT 1783 Scotland. Children of James Robertson and Agnes Robertson are: 1. James Robertson. Born 1 Oct 1805 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 2. John Robertson. Born 30 Nov 1808 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 3. Margaret Robertson. Born 13 Apr 1813 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 4. Agnes Robertson. Born 16 Aug 1816 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. James Robertson. Born 1 Oct 1805 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. He was the son of James Robertson and Agnes Robertson. Siblings of James Robertson 1. John Robertson. Born 30 Nov 1808 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 2. Margaret Robertson. Born 13 Apr 1813 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. 3. Agnes Robertson. Born 16 Aug 1816 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. John Robertson. Born 30 Nov 1808 Caputh, Perth, Scotland. He was the son of James Robertson and Agnes Robertson. (See details at bottom of E-mail - John Robertson is my GGG Grand Father). ******************************************************* John Robertson 30 Nov 1808 Caputh Married Catherine Reid. But John Robertson & Catherine Reid's Family was as follows. Peter Robertson Born 22/6/1837 Little Dunkeld. John Robertson Born 23/12/1838 Little Dunkeld. James Robertson Born 27/9/1840 Little Dunkeld. Robert Robertson Born 7/9/1842 Little Dunkeld. David Robertson Born 23/8/1844 Little Dunkeld. James Robertson Born 27/9/1840 Little Dunkeld. Catherine McLaren Robertson 11/11/1846 Little Dunkeld. d. 7/11/1902 Age 52, Newtyle. Married Andrew Milne. Daughter Jessie McLaren Robertson Milne 16/7/1880. (My Great Granny). Daughter Jean Ogilvy Milne b. 31/3/1906 d. 28/1/1980 Age 74. (My Granny) Son John Milne Bell b. 11/3/1937. Me Alistair John Bell b. 7/12/1961. Alistair Bell.

Hi listers, Is there any lister that has access to either the 1861 or 1871 Census of BLACKCRAIG, in Logie Parish that could do a lookup for me please. I am looking for a family of JOHN FERGUSON husband JANE FERGUSON wife and at least 1 son WILLIAM aged about 2 (1861 of 12 in 1871) Or aged 22 in 1881 William was born in Blackcraig in 1859 (if he is still there in 1881 I can eliminate this family!) Many thanks Ave FERGUSON Napier, NZ

was wondering whether any one can help me. I am trying trace my husbands mothers family. My mother inlaw's name was Clementina Mccowan Porter Low born May 12 1923. Her morthers Name was Elizabeth Henderson Low m.s. Porter, Married February 26 1915 to Andrew Low the only info I have on Andrew Low is that he was in the Black Watch, and that he is buried in the vets cemetary in Perth,. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Clemintina was born at Meal Vennell, Perth, she was 1 of 5 sisters, the sisters names were Elizabeth, Jean, Margaret, and Isabella. Hope some one can help. Janet Hope in snowy Ontario

Hi Michael, your best bet would be to get proper legal advice from your own solicitor. If you don't have one, probably it would be advisable to find one in Glasgow. Sorry can't help, but good luck. Regards, Dorothy (Longforgan)

To all those who sent requests that have not yet received an answer I apologise for the delay. I expect to clear the remainder in about a week Regards Heather J