Hi, Could the person with the above names from Crieff contact me offline. Lost your mail before I could reply. Barbara

Hello Irene I would think McIlchonnel could easily translate from Gaelic into Donaldson (son of Donald) My great great great grandmother started off life as McVurich and finished it as McPherson. Don't know about the Christian and Elizabeth though, perhaps they were sisters Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: <PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2004 10:03 AM Subject: PERTHSHIRE-D Digest V04 #17

I was in Perth library today serching for further info on Alexander walker and Christian McIlchonnel. I found that Alexander Walker had children to. christian McIlchonnel Christian Donaldson Elizabeth Donaldson I cannot read the place name but it looks the same. Has anyone come across this type of name change. thanks Irene Cunniingham

> Hallo Douglas, It may be me you might be thinking of. My desktop is out of order at the moment and I am using my laptop now. I am afraid that my laptop is not very conducive to writing mails. I saw your mail and I will get back to you. Take care, Regards, Michael. > Fra: "Douglas J Clark" <djclark@netactive.co.za> > Dato: 2004/01/20 Tue AM 10:00:41 CET > Til: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Emne: [PERTH] STENHOUSE > > Hello All > Yesterday I was speaking to one of my mother's friends about her family history and she mentioned that her STENHOUSE relatives(originally from Scotland) had gone to Australia. > It might be my imagination but I think I have seen someone of that name posting on one of the lists I subscribe to.Is there anyone of that name? > > Douglas > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > ALL messages are recorded in the Rootsweb archives. > http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- > > ------------------------------------------------- WebMail fra Tele2 http://www.tele2.no -------------------------------------------------

Hi all Thank you very much Peter for all that information, the right family, it has both added to and confirmed research that we have. I hope you are able to solve your baffling mystery, Colin. >From Peter's information we are even more interested to know what the 1851 census says!! It could lead us to where Robert Hutton was born. So if any very kind person does have access to it, please we would love to hear from you. I only joined this list a few weeks ago, although not a newbie, I have not been involved in Scots research before. I have found the list most informative. Thank you all. Mary in West Oz >From : Peter Roy <peter@perth47.freeserve.co.uk> Mary, >From the outset of my interest in family history I came across this couple during the course of my research. I was looking for the details of my gt-gt grandmother Jessie Hutton who had a strong connection with Forgandenny. Robert and Grissel Hutton were prospective parents and this is what I know already if it is of any benefit. I have no lineage for Robert Hutton but Grissel was the daughter of James Duff, farmer, and Janet Kennedy (from Original Death Entry dated 1885). She was born on 28 June1802 (IGI and this ties up with her age on Death Entry) and she has been known through life as Grissel, Griz(z)el and Grace. Robert Hutton and Grissel Duff were married on the 3 Nov. 1826 in Forgandenny (IGI) and they had 9 children (IGI) These were all born in Forgandenny and were James 19 Jan 1827 John 3 Nov 1828 Janet 17 Jan 1830 Charles 25 Feb 1833 Christian 17 April 1836 Alexander 30 Nov 1838 William 12 July 1840 Peter 23 Aug 1843 Jessie 1 Oct 1850 Anecdotal information from a local historian in Forgandenny provided the following. Robert Hutton, and his wife Grizzell Duff, servant to Colonel Oliphant and living at Rossie Southgate up to 1831. Moved to Over Binzian until he and his wife retired to Boatloan in 1854. Children were registered as baptised when the minister made up a list of seceders. It then goes on to list the children as above. The Oliphants were a famous Scottish family and it is worthwhile looking them up on the internet for their history. Each of the places named are in the environs of Forgandenny so they didn't stray far. The 1881 Census shows a 79 year old widowed Grace Hutton still living at Bootloan (Boatloan) as a crofter. Her birthplace is recorded as Auchtergaven in Perthshire. She is shown living with her son-in law Robert Nicol (Robert Nicol is the informant on her Death Entry), a railway labourer, her daughter Jessie (presumably) and 4 grandchildren Robert (7), Grace (4) and John Nicol (3) as well as William Hutton (11). Grace died on 19 April 1885 at Croftwillock in the Parish of Forgandenny at the age of 83. She died of senile debility and pulmonary congestion. My problem is that this Jessie Hutton married Robert Nicol and appears to be alive in 1881. My Jessie Hutton definitely died in 1869 so there were more than one Jessie Hutton in Forgandenny in the mid 1860s. My Jessie Hutton was married in Forgandenny in 1866 and her parents were declared as John Hutton and Marrianne Walker. There was a suggestion in my family that Jessie's "father" was, in fact, her brother who brought her up from a young age. Possibly the same John who is the son of Robert Hutton and Grissel Duff. This is one mystery I have put to the side for a while but will come back to later in life. If you would like a copy of the original Death entry and/or a printout of the 1881 Census entry, let me know and if you are still looking for an 1851 census entry, Over Binzian in the parish of Forgandenny might be a good place to start. Oh, by the way, what is your interest in Robert and Grissel ? Regards, Peter Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Temple <templemary@hotmail.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:44 AM Subject: [PERTH] Hutton >Hi Listers > >I am wondering if a very kind soul has access to the 1851 census of >Forgandenny and could possibly do a look up for me please. Sorry I do not >have an address but I believe Forgandenny was a small place and am hoping >this will not be too difficult. > >I am interested in Robert Hutton, his wife Grissel and their family known to >be living in that area at that time. > >My very grateful thanks > >Mary in West Oz > _________________________________________________________________ E-mail just got a whole lot better. New ninemsn Premium. Click here http://ninemsn.com.au/premium/landing.asp

Hello All Yesterday I was speaking to one of my mother's friends about her family history and she mentioned that her STENHOUSE relatives(originally from Scotland) had gone to Australia. It might be my imagination but I think I have seen someone of that name posting on one of the lists I subscribe to.Is there anyone of that name? Douglas

Hello All I have seen a fair amount of discussion regarding HUTTON and McLAREN lately and I have added another two associated names. The last known address for the Mclaren family in Perthshire was LIMEKILNS in the 1880's.The family then came to South Africa. The three sisters all married and had children about the same time as they all appear on one page of the Christening register.Their names are:- Janet Hutton McLaren (born Limekilns according to graveston Catherine Hall McLaren Margaret Jack McLaren I believe there were other siblings. Anybody see any connection? Douglas J Clark South Africa ----- Original Message ----- From: "Colin Garvie" <garvie@iafrica.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 8:00 PM Subject: Re: [PERTH] Hutton > Peter, > > Thank you for the information. > > > I have a copy of the original Death Entry of a John Garvie dated 1898 in the > > district of St. Mary in Dundee. This describes John as a retired forester > > and widower of Janet Luke. Death occurred on 21 May 1898 at 21 City Road, > > Dundee at the age of 78. His parents were Lawrence Garvie (deceased Master > > Blacksmith) and Janet Hutton (also deceased). The informant was James > > Garvie - son. > > I had a transcription of this Death Entry and this was what actually prompted my query. > > The entry here indicates that John Garvie's parents were Lawrence Garvie and Janet Hutton. However IGI > records indicate that Janet Hutton married a James Garvie. > > I am confused by this ambiguity. Was the incorrect information recorded here? Perhapes James Garvie was > also known as Lawrence Garvie. The informant, James Garvie, was the eldest son which would suggest his > grandfather was also James Garvie. > > There is also a discrepancy in age. If John Garvie died at age 78 in 1898 then his birth would have been > 1819/1820. James Garvie and Janet Hutton had a son John Murie Garvie but born 1816. Is this the same > John? > > Since there is no birth date in the Death Entry, could this suggest that the informant didn't have all the > relevant facts? But surely he would have known his grandfather was James and not Lawrence? There > appears to be no record that Janet might have married a Lawrence Garvie. > > > I know you are interested in this time scale as I too have a Garvie link to > > Aberdalgie > > I am very much interested because this John Garvie was my great great grandfather. Janet Luke his wife is > buried at Aberdalgie. John was buried at Dundee. I have the inscriptions of both graves if you do not have it > already. I am hoping to visit Aberdalgie in April this year. > > > ....with Meldrum and Glass connections. It's all a bit messy and all > > these James Garvies, John Garvies and Lawrence Garvies are doing my > > head in as they say. > > My pursuit and frustration too. I sense there is a close connection between these two Aberdalgie families. > Carolyn Wilson of Australia to whom I am indebted for much of my information has applied her mind to > this dilemma too. > > My greatgrandfather, also a Laurance b.1845 at Aberdalgie confirms our suspicions. We thought the James > Garvie who married Janet Hutton and Laurence Garvie may have been brothers whose parents were James > Garvie and Janet Glass. > > But such a solution implies James Garvie married Janet Hutton at the age of 10!!!! Hardly likely. Carolyn > Wilson also points out that the name Laurence, Laurance, Lawrence came into the Garvie line from Janet > Glass's farther Lawrence Glass. > > Perhaps your reflections have suggested an alternate solution?. > > > If you would like a copy of this death entry, please let me know. > > Yes, please Peter. I only have the transcription. If you have a scan of the Death Register I would appreciate > it. I have photos of the graves of Laurence and Helen Garvie, John Garvie, and Janet Garvie M.S.Luke > should you wish copies. > > I would also be interested in what your link might be with any relevant genealogical data you might have > relating to these families concerned. > > Kind regards, > > Colin Garvie > South Africa > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Colin Garvie <garvie@iafrica.com> > > To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:19 AM > > Subject: Re: [PERTH] Hutton > > > > > > > Hi Mary, > > > > > > I cannot assist with your query but would like to add one of my own to > > your Hutton thread. > > > > > > I am seeking more information regarding this family.... > > > > > > James Garvie m Janet Hutton 30/08/1812 > > > .....Margaret Garvie 17/07/1813 > > > .....John Murie Garvie 29/12/1816 > > > .....James Garvie 22/05/1819 > > > > > > I am a little perplexed because according to son James Garvie's entry in > > the Register of Deaths his father is > > > named as Lawrence Garvie and his mother Janet Hutton. Can someone perhaps > > help resolve this ambiguity > > > for me? > > > > > > Colin Garvie > > > South Africa > > > > > > > > > On 18 Jan 2004 at 8:44, Mary Temple wrote: > > > > > > Date forwarded: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:44:44 -0700 > > > Date sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:44:47 +0800 > > > Forwarded by: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > From: Mary Temple <templemary@hotmail.com> > > > Subject: [PERTH] Hutton > > > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > > > I am wondering if a very kind soul has access to the 1851 census of > > > > Forgandenny and could possibly do a look up for me please. Sorry I do > > not > > > > have an address but I believe Forgandenny was a small place and am > > hoping > > > > this will not be too difficult. > > > > > > > > I am interested in Robert Hutton, his wife Grissel and their family > > known to > > > > be living in that area at that time. > > > > > > > > My very grateful thanks > > > > > > > > Mary in West Oz > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > > ------------------------------------------------ > > > Contact the administrator of the Perthshire List > > > at PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Contact the administrator of the Perthshire List > > at PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: Unsubscribe by sending an e-mail to PERTHSHIRE-L-request@rootsweb.com with ONLY the word SUBSCRIBE in the subject line and in the body of the message. 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Researching the family of John Monteath married to Mary McLauren 11 April 1791 Crieff, Perthshire. Children: Grizel b 1792 John b 1792 Christian b 1794 John b 1796 Alexander b 1797 John b 1798 Grizel b 1800 Frances b 1802 m Charles Graham Sidey( Lord Provost of Perth 1840) Mary b 1804 Barbara b 1805 Agnes b 1808 Georgia Clements, Maryborough.Qld.Aust. <gclements42@bigpond.com>

If anyone is any the Auchterarder churches can they look out for the names Lawrence Walker or Faichney for me on cradle rolls or Past Beadles etc. Irene C

These are some of my spare BMDs; I'm posting them here in the hope that they may be useful to somebody. If you'd like more details, please feel free to contact me off-list. Cheers! Sue DEATHS Catherine LISTON (Kept A Farm) (Single) Died: 21 Oct 1859, Blairgowrie Age: 59 years Father: James LISTON, Farmer Mother: Mary LISTON ms ROBERTSON Cause of death: "Ramollissement cerebre, several years" Ann CHALMERS (Widow) Died: 17 Nov 1859, Blairgowrie Age: 56 years Father: James MILLER, Inn Keeper Mother: Elizabeth MILLER ms DICKMAN Cause of death: "Cancer of uterus for years" Rachel KEIR (Widow) Died: 29 Nov 1839, Blairgowrie Age: 78 years Father: Henry GORDON, Farmer Mother: Abigail GORDON ms WILLIAMSON Cause of death: "Chronic asthma, for years" Gilbert CRICHTON (Draper Journeyman) (Married to Susan McGraham) Died: 20 May 1889, Logiealmond (usual residence: Glasgow) Age: 42 years Father: John CRICHTON, Farmer Mother: Janet CRICHTON Cause of death: "Phthisis" Susan SCOTT (Illegitimate) (Single) Died: 21 May 1889, Logiealmond Age: 13?/18? years Father: James HENDERSON, Farmer (Reputed father) Mother: Susan SCOTT, Farmer's daughter Cause of death: "Phthisis, 5 months" David MCKILLOP (General Labourer) (Single) Died: 24 Jun 1889, Logiealmond Age: 63 years Father: John MCKILLOP, Sergeant [Army] Mother: Barbara MCKILLOP ms FORBES Cause of death: "Heart diesease, mitral" Jane MCLAREN (Wife of John MCLAREN, Cabinet Maker) Died: 30 Jun 1862, Blairgowrie Age: 34 years Father: Alexander MCLANDERS, Land Steward? Mother: Janet MCLANDERS ms SCOTT Cause of death: Convulsions James? CAMPBELL (Widower of Jane? WHARTON) Died: 17 Jul 1862, Blairgowrie Age: 76 years Father: [blank] CAMPBELL, Weaver? Mother: Margaret CAMPBELL ms CAMPBELL Cause of death: "Disease of heart for years" Jean Ogilvy KENNEDY (Mill Worker) (Single) Died: 27 Jul 1862, Blairgowrie Age: 20 years Father: David KENNEDY, Weaver Mother: Jean KENNEDY ms LIGHTON Cause of death: "Phthisis, for months" Peter MCINTOSH (Pauper, formerly Labourer) (Widower of Isabella MACKIE) Died: 29 Nov 1896, Blairgowrie Age: 80 years Father: James MCINTOSH (Labourer) Mother: Ann MCINTOSH ms MCGILLERY Cause of death: "Carcinoma ani, 4 years; Bronchitis, 6 days" Susan SYME (Outworker) (Widow of Thomas SYME, Carter) Died: 1 Dec 1896, Blairgowrie Age: 71 years Father: Donald STEWART, Labourer Mother: Isabella STEWART ms PEDDIE Cause of death: Bronchitic Asthma, Syncope" Alexander MCNAB (Farmer) (Single) Died: 1 Dec 1896, Blairgowrie Age: 75 years Father: John MCNAB, Farmer Mother: Eliza MCNAB ms DOUGLAS Cause of death: "Chronic cardiac and renal disease" Sarah CRANMER Died: 24 Jan 1855, Tibbermore Age: 1 year Father: [blank] Mother: Sarah CRANMER, Domestic Servant Cause of death: "Bowel-hive, 22 hours" Christian SCOTT (widow of John WYLIE) Died: 28 Jan 1855, Tibbermore Age: 97 years 4 months Father: John SCOTT, Farmer Mother: Janet SCOTT ms MORRISON Cause of death: "Old age" Thomas SCOTT Died: 23 Feb 1855, Tibbermore Age: 6 months Father: Andrew SCOTT, Farmer Mother: Catherine SCOTT ms SPRUNT Cause of death: "Croup, 2 weeks" Alexander MCLAUCHLAN (Lawyer's Clerk) (Married to Jane JEFFREY) Died: 23 Jun 1879, Moulin Age: 29 years Father: Alexander MCLAUCHLAN, General Labourer Mother: Christina MCLAUCHLAN ms MCGIBBONS Cause of death: "Phthisis scrofulens d..., 18 months; caries of ribs, sternum and ....us, and exhaustion" Helen Cuthbertson BROADWOOD (married to Thomas BROADWOOD, Landed Proprietor of Fulfordlees, Berwickshire) Died: 13 Jul 1879, Moulin Age: 20 years Father: James Church BRODIE, Farmer Mother: Jane Cuthbertson BRODIE ms BRODIE (second cousin) Cause of death: "Paralysis, 3 days" Peter MCINTOSH (Gardener/Domestic Servant) (Single) Died: 20 Jul 1879, Moulin Age: 49 years Father: John MCINTOSH, Farmer Mother: Catherine MCINTOSH ms MCDONALD Cause of death: "Pulmonary Phthisis, 6 months" MARRIAGES 27 Jul 1864, Clunie John MCLAREN, 42, Cabinet Maker (Wid); (son of John MCLAREN and Jane MCLAREN ms MCLAREN) Mary SCOTT, 23; (daughter of David SCOTT and Margaret SCOTT ms MACKAY) 9 Dec 1864, Clunie Robert TURNBULL, 22, Ploughman; (son of Alexander TURNBULL and Christine TURNBULL ms DRUMMOND) Jessie ANDERSON, 25, Domestic Servant (daughter of William ANDERSON and Amelia ANDERSON ms WHITELAW)

Hello Listers Does anyone know which newspaper would be most likely to publish a death notice for the Perthshire area in the 1890s? Also I would appreciate any information regarding the Gaelic Chapel in Perth. With thanks, Regards, Patricia.

Hello PerthList, In my search for the family of Margaret Ann KETHELL, I got a copy of her death certificate (1908) which says she was born in Perth, Scotland, and her parents were William KETHEL, a carriage builder, and Mary Watson. According to the ages given, she was born in 1834 or 1835. A search of OPR on CD turned up: William Kethell married Mary Watson at Perth on 12 May 1830 and one son Joseph Anderson KETHELL baptised at Perth 27 Feb 1831. Is anyone researching the KETHELLs ? Also, I have some information that a grandson of Margaret, Lewis George COLE married Amy or Amelia in Perth about 1918-1919 and a son David LLewellyn COLE was born there about 1919. Anyone have Amelia/Amy in their family ? Diane Cole Sydney Australia

Peter, Thank you for the information. > I have a copy of the original Death Entry of a John Garvie dated 1898 in the > district of St. Mary in Dundee. This describes John as a retired forester > and widower of Janet Luke. Death occurred on 21 May 1898 at 21 City Road, > Dundee at the age of 78. His parents were Lawrence Garvie (deceased Master > Blacksmith) and Janet Hutton (also deceased). The informant was James > Garvie - son. I had a transcription of this Death Entry and this was what actually prompted my query. The entry here indicates that John Garvie's parents were Lawrence Garvie and Janet Hutton. However IGI records indicate that Janet Hutton married a James Garvie. I am confused by this ambiguity. Was the incorrect information recorded here? Perhapes James Garvie was also known as Lawrence Garvie. The informant, James Garvie, was the eldest son which would suggest his grandfather was also James Garvie. There is also a discrepancy in age. If John Garvie died at age 78 in 1898 then his birth would have been 1819/1820. James Garvie and Janet Hutton had a son John Murie Garvie but born 1816. Is this the same John? Since there is no birth date in the Death Entry, could this suggest that the informant didn't have all the relevant facts? But surely he would have known his grandfather was James and not Lawrence? There appears to be no record that Janet might have married a Lawrence Garvie. > I know you are interested in this time scale as I too have a Garvie link to > Aberdalgie I am very much interested because this John Garvie was my great great grandfather. Janet Luke his wife is buried at Aberdalgie. John was buried at Dundee. I have the inscriptions of both graves if you do not have it already. I am hoping to visit Aberdalgie in April this year. > ....with Meldrum and Glass connections. It's all a bit messy and all > these James Garvies, John Garvies and Lawrence Garvies are doing my > head in as they say. My pursuit and frustration too. I sense there is a close connection between these two Aberdalgie families. Carolyn Wilson of Australia to whom I am indebted for much of my information has applied her mind to this dilemma too. My greatgrandfather, also a Laurance b.1845 at Aberdalgie confirms our suspicions. We thought the James Garvie who married Janet Hutton and Laurence Garvie may have been brothers whose parents were James Garvie and Janet Glass. But such a solution implies James Garvie married Janet Hutton at the age of 10!!!! Hardly likely. Carolyn Wilson also points out that the name Laurence, Laurance, Lawrence came into the Garvie line from Janet Glass's farther Lawrence Glass. Perhaps your reflections have suggested an alternate solution?. > If you would like a copy of this death entry, please let me know. Yes, please Peter. I only have the transcription. If you have a scan of the Death Register I would appreciate it. I have photos of the graves of Laurence and Helen Garvie, John Garvie, and Janet Garvie M.S.Luke should you wish copies. I would also be interested in what your link might be with any relevant genealogical data you might have relating to these families concerned. Kind regards, Colin Garvie South Africa > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Colin Garvie <garvie@iafrica.com> > To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:19 AM > Subject: Re: [PERTH] Hutton > > > > Hi Mary, > > > > I cannot assist with your query but would like to add one of my own to > your Hutton thread. > > > > I am seeking more information regarding this family.... > > > > James Garvie m Janet Hutton 30/08/1812 > > .....Margaret Garvie 17/07/1813 > > .....John Murie Garvie 29/12/1816 > > .....James Garvie 22/05/1819 > > > > I am a little perplexed because according to son James Garvie's entry in > the Register of Deaths his father is > > named as Lawrence Garvie and his mother Janet Hutton. Can someone perhaps > help resolve this ambiguity > > for me? > > > > Colin Garvie > > South Africa > > > > > > On 18 Jan 2004 at 8:44, Mary Temple wrote: > > > > Date forwarded: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:44:44 -0700 > > Date sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:44:47 +0800 > > Forwarded by: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > From: Mary Temple <templemary@hotmail.com> > > Subject: [PERTH] Hutton > > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Hi Listers > > > > > > I am wondering if a very kind soul has access to the 1851 census of > > > Forgandenny and could possibly do a look up for me please. Sorry I do > not > > > have an address but I believe Forgandenny was a small place and am > hoping > > > this will not be too difficult. > > > > > > I am interested in Robert Hutton, his wife Grissel and their family > known to > > > be living in that area at that time. > > > > > > My very grateful thanks > > > > > > Mary in West Oz > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > ------------------------------------------------ > > Contact the administrator of the Perthshire List > > at PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > ------------------------------------------------ > Contact the administrator of the Perthshire List > at PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- >

Colin, I have a copy of the original Death Entry of a John Garvie dated 1898 in the district of St. Mary in Dundee. This describes John as a retired forester and widower of Janet Luke. Death occurred on 21 May 1898 at 21 City Road, Dundee at the age of 78. His parents were Lawrence Garvie (deceased Master Blacksmith) and Janet Hutton (also deceased). The informant was James Garvie - son. I know you are interested in this time scale as I too have a Garvie link to Aberdalgie with Meldrum and Glass connections. It's all a bit messy and all these James Garvies, John Garvies and Lawrence Garvies are doing my head in as they say. If you would like a copy of this death entry, please let me know. Regards, Peter Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin Garvie <garvie@iafrica.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 5:19 AM Subject: Re: [PERTH] Hutton > Hi Mary, > > I cannot assist with your query but would like to add one of my own to your Hutton thread. > > I am seeking more information regarding this family.... > > James Garvie m Janet Hutton 30/08/1812 > .....Margaret Garvie 17/07/1813 > .....John Murie Garvie 29/12/1816 > .....James Garvie 22/05/1819 > > I am a little perplexed because according to son James Garvie's entry in the Register of Deaths his father is > named as Lawrence Garvie and his mother Janet Hutton. Can someone perhaps help resolve this ambiguity > for me? > > Colin Garvie > South Africa > > > On 18 Jan 2004 at 8:44, Mary Temple wrote: > > Date forwarded: Sat, 17 Jan 2004 17:44:44 -0700 > Date sent: Sun, 18 Jan 2004 08:44:47 +0800 > Forwarded by: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > From: Mary Temple <templemary@hotmail.com> > Subject: [PERTH] Hutton > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > Hi Listers > > > > I am wondering if a very kind soul has access to the 1851 census of > > Forgandenny and could possibly do a look up for me please. Sorry I do not > > have an address but I believe Forgandenny was a small place and am hoping > > this will not be too difficult. > > > > I am interested in Robert Hutton, his wife Grissel and their family known to > > be living in that area at that time. > > > > My very grateful thanks > > > > Mary in West Oz > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > ------------------------------------------------ > Contact the administrator of the Perthshire List > at PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- > >

Mary, From the outset of my interest in family history I came across this couple during the course of my research. I was looking for the details of my gt-gt grandmother Jessie Hutton who had a strong connection with Forgandenny. Robert and Grissel Hutton were prospective parents and this is what I know already if it is of any benefit. I have no lineage for Robert Hutton but Grissel was the daughter of James Duff, farmer, and Janet Kennedy (from Original Death Entry dated 1885). She was born on 28 June1802 (IGI and this ties up with her age on Death Entry) and she has been known through life as Grissel, Griz(z)el and Grace. Robert Hutton and Grissel Duff were married on the 3 Nov. 1826 in Forgandenny (IGI) and they had 9 children (IGI) These were all born in Forgandenny and were James 19 Jan 1827 John 3 Nov 1828 Janet 17 Jan 1830 Charles 25 Feb 1833 Christian 17 April 1836 Alexander 30 Nov 1838 William 12 July 1840 Peter 23 Aug 1843 Jessie 1 Oct 1850 Anecdotal information from a local historian in Forgandenny provided the following. Robert Hutton, and his wife Grizzell Duff, servant to Colonel Oliphant and living at Rossie Southgate up to 1831. Moved to Over Binzian until he and his wife retired to Boatloan in 1854. Children were registered as baptised when the minister made up a list of seceders. It then goes on to list the children as above. The Oliphants were a famous Scottish family and it is worthwhile looking them up on the internet for their history. Each of the places named are in the environs of Forgandenny so they didn't stray far. The 1881 Census shows a 79 year old widowed Grace Hutton still living at Bootloan (Boatloan) as a crofter. Her birthplace is recorded as Auchtergaven in Perthshire. She is shown living with her son-in law Robert Nicol (Robert Nicol is the informant on her Death Entry), a railway labourer, her daughter Jessie (presumably) and 4 grandchildren Robert (7), Grace (4) and John Nicol (3) as well as William Hutton (11). Grace died on 19 April 1885 at Croftwillock in the Parish of Forgandenny at the age of 83. She died of senile debility and pulmonary congestion. My problem is that this Jessie Hutton married Robert Nicol and appears to be alive in 1881. My Jessie Hutton definitely died in 1869 so there were more than one Jessie Hutton in Forgandenny in the mid 1860s. My Jessie Hutton was married in Forgandenny in 1866 and her parents were declared as John Hutton and Marrianne Walker. There was a suggestion in my family that Jessie's "father" was, in fact, her brother who brought her up from a young age. Possibly the same John who is the son of Robert Hutton and Grissel Duff. This is one mystery I have put to the side for a while but will come back to later in life. If you would like a copy of the original Death entry and/or a printout of the 1881 Census entry, let me know and if you are still looking for an 1851 census entry, Over Binzian in the parish of Forgandenny might be a good place to start. Oh, by the way, what is your interest in Robert and Grissel ? Regards, Peter Roy ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Temple <templemary@hotmail.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:44 AM Subject: [PERTH] Hutton > Hi Listers > > I am wondering if a very kind soul has access to the 1851 census of > Forgandenny and could possibly do a look up for me please. Sorry I do not > have an address but I believe Forgandenny was a small place and am hoping > this will not be too difficult. > > I am interested in Robert Hutton, his wife Grissel and their family known to > be living in that area at that time. > > My very grateful thanks > > Mary in West Oz > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to > http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > ------------------------------------------------ > Contact the administrator of the Perthshire List > at PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- > >

I know this is a Perthshire link but I will try any way. I am looking to find which regiment a Robert Morrison of Dundee joined in the 1st WW. He married in Dundee in 1915, from there we loose him ,but believe he died in the war. Yours in hope Caroline

I am also trying to fins out more about an Alexander Walkera Descendants of Alexander Walker 1 Alexander Walker b: Bef. 1795 .. +Christian Mcilchonnel b: Bef. 1795 .... 2 James Walker b: January 1810 in COMRIE PERTHSHIRE ........ +Janet Kennedy b: 22 May 1827 in Auchterarder PERTHSHIRE m: 5 June 1855 in auchterarder Perth Scotland .......... 3 Robert Walker b: 14 May 1858 in Cargill perth d: Abt. 1933 .............. +Margaret Lawrence b: 11 April 1858 in BLACKFORD d: Abt. 1907 in when daughter Jessie was 11 years old .......... 3 John Walker b: 20 March 1856 in Blackford .......... 3 Ann Walker b: 8 March 1863 in muthill .......... 3 Janet Walker b: 21 December 1860 in muthill Perth Scotland .... 2 Malcom Walker b: Bef. 24 August 1808 in COMRIE PERTH scotland thank you for taking the time to read this irene m Cunningham

In a message dated 18/01/04 17:09:31 GMT Standard Time, PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > James Garvie's entry in > the Register of Deaths his father is > >named as Lawrence Garvie and his mother Janet Hutton. Hi Colin, If it is any consolation, Death Certificates are notorious for having wrong information, well at least in my family!!!!! However, having said that, I think it is in general. People informing either forget or didn't really know names and dates of births, etc. On my great grandfather's marriage certificate, he gave his Grandmother's name as being that of his mother. You can imagine what a merry dance that led me! My own Uncle couldn't even get his mother's name right and had it recorded as Keir instead of Kerr. Those are just a couple of instances among many, so you see, lots of mistakes can happen. You just have to use your judgement. Good luck with your research. Regards, Dorothy (Longforgan)

Thanks for others input on this site - I got them in duplicate as I am on the list too :-) I just thought I'd pass on the info as it given me by a genealogist friend in Scotland. PB

Hi Listers I am wondering if a very kind soul has access to the 1851 census of Forgandenny and could possibly do a look up for me please. Sorry I do not have an address but I believe Forgandenny was a small place and am hoping this will not be too difficult. I am interested in Robert Hutton, his wife Grissel and their family known to be living in that area at that time. My very grateful thanks Mary in West Oz _________________________________________________________________ Hot chart ringtones and polyphonics. Go to http://ninemsn.com.au/mobilemania/default.asp