David Cable Mackie died St Andrews 1928. An obituary named pallbearers, of which William Walker (brother-in-law) was one. This sole reference via LDS index of marriages found Descendants of Elizabeth Matthews McDonald 1 Elizabeth Matthews McDonald b: 21 August 1864 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland d: Aft. 1950 . married William Walker m: 1895 in Dundee, Angus 1901 census found children . 2 Anna Elizabeth Walker b: 1896 Dundee, Angus . 2 Margaret Evelyn Walker b: 1901 Dundee, Angus recently IGI found birth 1 Daniel Walker . +Anna Eliza Keith . 2 William Walker b: 28 December 1855 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland but a search for the marriage of Daniel & Anna found nothing while a parent search found only William. So to scotlandspeople for the marriage certificate of William & Elizabeth which produced District of St Peter in the Burgh of Dundee Marriage 12 June 1895 at 73 Annfield Road, Dundee William Walker, bank teller 40 parents Daniel Walker, Inspestor of Factories, Anna Eliza Walker m/s Neish Elizabeth M McDonald, 30 parents John McDonald grocer Agnes Grieve McDonald m/s Fyfe SO Williams mother was Anna Eliza Neish, NOT Anna Eliza Keith. The IGI was incorrect. Search for the marriage and children now found 1 Daniel Walker . +Anna Eliza Neish m: 21 July 1847 in St Peter, Dundee, Angus . 2 Anna Isabella Walker b: 06 March 1849 in Dundee, Angus, . 2 Jane Walker b: 18 March 1851 in Dundee, Angus . 2 Georgina Webster Walker b: 27 November 1852 in Dundee, Angus, . 2 Margaret Neish Walker b: 21 August 1854 in Dundee, Angus, . 2 Richard Walkerb: 22 February 1858 in Dundee, Angus . 2 Mary Walker b: 01 September 1859 in Dundee, Angus And to confirm William search via scotlandspeople for the birth of William Walker in 1855 BUT nothing located!!(Error no 2). Then a thought, birth was 28 Dec 1855, was it registered in 1856? New search found the certificate, registered 14 Jan 1856, horrid writing. IGI transcription of Neish as Keith explained! Family now found is 1 Thomas Neish . +Anna Mann m: 27 May 1816 in Dundee, Angus . 2 Anna Eliza Neishb: 12 July 1817 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland +Daniel Walker m: 21 July 1847 in St Peter, Dundee, Angus 3 Anna Isabella Walker b: 06 March 1849 in Dundee, Angus, 3 Jane Walker b: 18 March 1851 in Dundee, Angus, 3 Georgina Webster Walker b: 27 November 1852 in Dundee, 3 Margaret Neish Walker b: 21 August 1854 in Dundee, 3 William Walker b: 28 December 1855 in Broughty Ferry +Elizabeth Matthews McDonald b: 21 August 1864 in Dundee, Angus, Scotland m: 12 June 1895 in St Peter, Dundee, Angus d: Aft. 1950 4 Anna Elizabeth Walker b: 25 June 1896 in St Peter, Dundee, Angus 4 Margaret Evelyn Walker b: 13 February 1901 St Peter, Dundee, Angus 3 Richard Walker b: 22 February 1858 in Dundee, Angus, 3 Mary Walker b: 01 September 1859 in Dundee, Angus, Ian Mackie Melbourne

Hi all, Just to let you know that Wayne McKirdy has just released the 1857 Death Index for Lanark. The McKirdy Scottish Death Index is an index of death certificates between the years 1855-1875. Because Lanark is so large, it is being done 1 year at a time. In case you have not used these indexes before - the index contains all the info on a death certificate EXCEPT 1. Day & month & time of death 2. Address of deceased 3. Cause of Death 4. Date & name of Registrar Extras - number & registration district of the certificate & LDS film number where the certificate can be found. This & the other indexes can be obtained from http://www.genealogy.org.nz/ Looking at the site, they have not as yet added the above item, but it can be ordered. The different McKirdy indexes for Scotland can only be bought here. Look in the "What's New" column on the left. I do not have any connection to Wayne McKirdy or this product; I'm just an avid user. Yvonne [Bonnie] Bean  

Not sure if that's helpful, but certainly fascinating. A scan of the Black's entry for Douglas would be great. Have to admit, I'm a bit of a book person, and this kind of book in particular. I'd be interested in the others you mention, on first names and gaelic place names (I have Watson's book on Celtic place names, which I bought when trying to find a place call Bailechastail (Balcastle) or Bailteapail (Chapelton as it was also known as) - it wasn't of use for this purpose and I found the place by a chance encounter with a leaflet which I found at the small Borenich burial ground - but its a fascinating book despite my gaelic not being up to much - one day I intend to read it all the way through :) In fact, just having a look at that leaflet (or a scan of it) suggests that the burial ground was once owned by the Douglas family of Strathtummel - although the monument books don't list any Douglas' as being mentioned on tomb stones - where do i get a list of who is burried there? Crikey - how did I not spot this before? As for the one name study guild - where do I find that (in fact, I'll google it in a minute). It sounds an interesting place to start what will probably become a wider study of the Douglas name (there is, in fact, a two volume history of the Douglas' which I have found very difficult to read - I only have the first volume - it's hard going). I also love maps :) I'll check out the other sites too - thank you for pointing them out. Regards, Andrew. On 2 Feb 2004, at 18:59, BRUINSWOOD@aol.com wrote: > andrew, >   > this may not help BUT i joimed the one name study guild where i > learned that starting to learn about the name is a very worthwhile. do > you have a library near that you can find a george black's scottish > surname book. if you can't i have a copy and will scan it for you. in > fact why don't i just do that unless you all ready have it. it gives > spelling variants, i also have one for first names and gaelic as i am > fascinated by names especially gaelic placenames...braes, etc. >   > the guild has a program that does a surname distribution map...they > send each new member one. there areother folks that do one at rootsmap > but i believe they do it for 1805-1880. number of events by shire in > england and other countries of the u.k. i love my surname map. >   > the one guild website has a free search by surname to see if there is > a member of the guild doing research for your surname. genforum and > gendex are also both good websites for surnames searches. scran > website can be searched by village or surname is excellent but what > you might find most helpfull are the cds on scottish history. i found > the information about why folks moved around in the 1700s or 1800s > taught me a great deal. scran scottish cultural resources archive > network or something similar was begun as assisting teachers and th > cds lump housing, immigration, schooling and i learned more in an hour > than in a week reading the books on scottish history...and i have read > close to a dozen. it is aimed at teachers helping kids. >   > mary in oregon >   > let me know if you already have blacks

Many thanks to those who replied to my query. I think I will pencil these two in (so that I don't lose them) and keep looking. Joan

As I am sure you have figured out should be MOODIE .

Have a Lillias Moodie (Mudie) married to George Stephen 1793 Meigle , Perth. Their son was name James Peterkin Stephen. Looking for Lillias's parents. Found a George Mudie married to Susanna Petrikin, Dundee, Angus 1759. What do you think my chances are of hitting it right? Looking for anyone researching these names. Family seemed to be in Meigle, Perth and Dundee, Angus so am sending to both list with apologies for duplication. Joan

I've cross-posted this email to two lists, in case anyone might have an answer. I have been quite successful in tracing my Douglas ancestors back, to a wedding in 1761 of a James Douglas and a Christian McGregore, in the parish of Dull, Perthshire. I was recently in Dundee visiting the Tay Valley Family History Society, and they suggested that this was probably as far back as I am going to get - and I agree with this, although it doesn't stop me looking. I guess my first question is this. Douglas is essentially a name associated with the Borders - so what were my Douglas' doing all the way up in Dull and Blair Atholl - how would they have got there? OK, I know the Douglas' were Earls of Angus and that, in the history of the Douglas', by this time not a lot was happening (most of the exciting Douglas history ending in the C17?) - and Scotland isn't such a large place for people to move around. (Have I answered my own question). Secondly, in the ancestors i am fairly happy about, the spelling is either Douglas or Douglass - and I am happy that this is not an issue. However, I have found that the James Douglas mentioned about had three children - John, Margaret and Hellen. Now, they were born in Blair Atholl parish, and in the general naming conventions of the time, I might assume that James' parents were John and Hellen. Now, in Dull, I can find a John Duglass married to Hellen Stewart, in Dull, 1734, with a James being born to them in 1735. How likely is this to be the folks i am looking for - as opposed to the four or five other Douglas candidates born in Dull/Logirait/other Rannoch parishes? And how likely is the spelling 'Duglass' going to be the same as Douglas or Douglass? (I am guessing this is mostly down to who is righting the entries at the time - but why some many different spellings of the same name - I guess most of these ancestors would be illiterate anyway). Lastly - there are other Douglas' in Dull at around this time. Likely hood of them being related? It is by no means a common name in the area (although appearing in sufficient numbers in Dull and surrounding parishes for it to be a handful). I think my subject title sums up where I am at at the moment, and, short of either a miracle or a time machine (how great would that be), I am sure that anything I find going back now is pure conjecture, but it would be an interesting exercise. Regards and thanks, Andrew. PS James Douglas and Christian McGregore or McGrigore lived in Strathtummel, in an area marked on the map as Borenich. Now, I now roughly where they lived and there is a small burial plot, but this doesn't appear to go back quite far enough. Given age and last child born 1772, they would be dead around 1790 to 1810 probably - where would they have likely been buried? I have checked various memorial books - are there any lists of deaths that i might look at that aren't associated with memorials? (Again, i know the answer here is no, but I'll ask just the same).

Hello, Can anyone advise which parish I should be looking in for someone who is stated (on his headstone in 1906) to have been "of Rannoch, Scotland"? His name is James ROBERTSON and he was born in Auchtermuchty in 1830. He emigrated to Australia in late 1854 and I can find no trace of him in Scotland at all! I believe his parents died when he was about 2 and he was returned to family in Perthshire to be cared for. Hence, I suspect, the "of Rannoch", on his headstone. He had siblings Ann, Catherine, John, Elizabeth and Alexander. Parents were Alexander and Elizabeth (nee CHURCHILL) Any advice would be very gratefully received. I am hoping that the 1841 or 1851 Census records may be able to help me solve this mystery, but I need to be sure I'm looking in the right place. Regards Heather Minol (nee Robertson) Canberra Australia

Hi, I am searching for any family of David & Jean (nee CRAIGY) SLATER Theywere married in 1749.Their 12 children were born in Ceylon, India and later moved to Caputh in Perthshire Scotland Thanks Helen McNamara in beautiful New Zealand

Margaret, I'm a bit behind on my e-mail, so I don't know if you had any replies. I have no connection to the Pullar's, but I did find something which may be of interest, and help put you in the right direction. http://www.perthshirediary.com/html/day0919.html This tells some of the history of the Pullar's business, and gives several names. The company was started by John Pullar in 1824. I believe his wife may have been Mary Walker, but without resorting to ScotlandsPeople I can't prove that. One word of warning: Dundee has a famous forebear, one Adam Duncan, an Admiral, who gave the city of Dundee Camperdown Park. My great grandmother was called Margaret Duncan, and I was told quite some time ago that my Duncan ancestors were related to Admiral Duncan. I have been able to prove that they were NOT. Apparently almost every family in Dundee called Duncan perpertuates this myth, and Duncan is a very common name. Pullar on the other hand is not.... Good Luck Doreen Cuthbert

Sighted in Grimsthorpe Lincolnshire at the Grimsthorpe Gardens in the 1871 census……Gilbert Anderson aged 19, Gardener born Scotland Hopefully he belongs to someone on the list Regards Pat Stedman Brisbane, Australia ********************************************************* One-name study of Keillor/Keillar/Keiller etc <http://www.users.bigpond.com/kiellor/index.htm> http://www.users.bigpond.com/kiellor/index.htm and for Clutton families http://www.geocities.com/p_stedman/Index.htm *********************************************************

Sighted in Grimsthorpe Lincolnshire at the Grimsthorpe Gardens Gilbert Anderson aged 19, Gardener born Scotland Hopefully he belongs to someone on the list Regards Pat Stedman Brisbane, Australia ********************************************************* One-name study of Keillor/Keillar/Keiller etc <http://www.users.bigpond.com/kiellor/index.htm> http://www.users.bigpond.com/kiellor/index.htm and for Clutton families http://www.geocities.com/p_stedman/Index.htm *********************************************************

Following back on Andersons in the Little Dunkeld area. Interested in making contact with anyone who is following Andersons back from 1800 and before,especially on the western side of this Parish. The OPR seem some thing of a nightmare and trying to make sense of the families most difficult. My line. James Anderson born Tomnagrew about 1785 who later in life was a spirit dealer in Perth and died 12th March 1873. Married to Jean Stewart and then Janet Campbell. Parents Donald Anderson and unknown Dowan. Known to be in Tomnagrew in 1815 Possibly the James born to Donald Anderson and Catherine Cowan June 1786 at Arnubree (Amulree ). Donald Anderson - Perhaps Donald born 29th August 1760 Bailiecragan with a marriage to Cathrine Cowan March 20th 1885 So many Andersons and possibilities and seeming conrtadictions in the OPR. David Smith

Good afternoon to you all (on this blindingly bright, snowy day....) I've just been talking to a regular customer of mine in the library about family history (as he caught me sitting at the desk reading the latest issue of Family Tree <g>) and he was telling me about his research into his family. Anyway the long and short of it is, he has a number of letters written to his g-grandfather by his sister and she often includes the phrase "Bonnie man of a nar" sometimes with a second phrase "with your hands of white". This appears as though it might be a quote of some kind as it doesn't appear to make any sense in the context of the letters. However, neither he nor I, even with all the resources of a county library albeit one in East Anglia, can find it. Does anyone recognise it from anywhere? Does it pertain to some local Scottish folktale or legend? Is it a gaelic phrase? I'd be grateful for any suggestions of what it might mean or where else I could look Ta! Ursula ___________________________________________________________ BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80 http://btyahoo.yahoo.co.uk

----- Original Message ----- From: Al Gardner To: ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: dewar's / innes Can anyone connect to this Alexander Dewar / Ann Innes m-113905,1040136 b.29 Jun. 1821,Dull,Perth Farm Servant,Huntingtower Ann Innes b 30 Aug. 1818,Fortevoit c-113542,1040353 Margaret Dewar :m James Wilkie in Methven 25 Dec 1863 b 13 Oct 1841,Luncarty b.1840 in Tannadice,Forfar Domestic Servant Engine Driver Christian Dewar b 15 Jan 1843,Luncarty c-113904,1040135 John Dewar b 13 Nov. 1844,Luncarty c-113904,1040135 James Innes Dewar b 12 Jul. 1846,Luncarty c-113904,1040135 Mary Ann Dewar m.Alex McGregor Burns 4 Sept 1868 b 8 Apr. 1848,Luncarty c-113904,1040135 Elspeth Coupar Dewar m.Alex.Panton 4 Jan 1875,Woodend b 20 Jan,. 1850 Redgorton c-113904,1040135 Grace Dewar b 23 Nov. 1851,Redgorton c-113904,1040135 Alexander Dewar b 11 Jun.. 1854,Tibbermore c-113904,1040135 William Ross Dewar b 28 Mar. 1856,Tibbermore c-113904,1040135I

Hi Firstly, an apology if you receive more than one e-mail because I have multi posted the following information to other groups. I have upgraded and consolidated my Missing McLean List and added an Information Survey form relating to entries in Clan McLean Connection website at http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Canyon/6387/MissingMcLeanList.html If you are able to assist any of the persons requesting assistance to resolve a "brickwall" in their search for genealogical knowledge I am sure they would be pleased to hear from you. Regards Doug McLean (Australia) Clan McLean Connections http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Canyon/6387

Can anyone make a connection to this family? Cheers, Don McArthur, Johannesburg. Descendants of Margaret McPhael 1 Margaret MCPHAEL . +John RYRIE m: 13 Oct 1810 in Monzie 2 Ann RYRIE 3 Apr 1813 ~ Crieff

Can anyone make a connection to this family? There is an unmarried 65 y old Isabella McPHAIL in Monzie in 1851. Cheers, Don McArthur, Johannesburg. Descendants of Isabel McPhael 1 Isabel MCPHAEL 1841 Sewer in Monzie . +Robert MCNIEL m: 28 Nov 1813 in Monzie 2 Peter MCNIEL 8 May 1814 ~ Monzie 2 Ann MCNIEL 28 Jul 1816 ~ Monzie 2 Mary MCNIEL b: 15 Jan 1819 in Glasgow 2 Robert MCNIEL 16 May 1824 ~ Canongate 2 Isabella MCNIEL 28 Sep 1828 ~ Canongate 2 William MCNIEL b: 4 May 1831 28 Jul 1831 ~ Canongate

Can anyone make a connection to this family? Cheers, Don McArthur, Johannesburg. Descendants of Peter McPhael 1 Peter MCPHAEL . +Catherine MORRISON m: 19 Dec 1818 in Monzie 2 Janet MCPHAEL 4 Nov 1819 ~ Monzie 2 William MCPHAEL 19 Oct 1821 ~ Monzie 2 Peter MCPHAIL 13 May 1825 ~ Monzie 2 John MCPHAIL 1 Apr 1828 ~ Monzie m Mgt FORBES ? 2 Ann MCPHAIL 19 Oct 1831 ~ Monzie 2 Helen MCPHAIL 20 Aug 1835 ~ Monzie

Can anyone make a connection to this family? Cheers, Don McArthur, Johannesburg. Descendants of Ann McFail 1 Ann MCFAIL . +Donald MCARA m: 16 Oct 1819 in Monzie 2 Ann MCARA 19 Dec 1819 ~ Monzie