In my ancestry, I have a John Stewart who married ? Ferguson (don't know the 1st name). Both had died before Nov 1878. To them was born a son, James Stewart, in 1805 or 1806 at Dowally, Perthshire. On August 20, 1829 at Caputh, James married Isobel Keay (b 1800, Caputh). To them were born 6 children, the eldest of which was Janet Fenwick Stewart born on February 12, 1830 at Caputh. Janet is my great grandmother. I'd love to hear from anyone who may be related to any of the above. Richard Ball Canby, Oregon, USA rxfball@cs.com > Subj:[PERTH] Ferguson/McIntyre > Date:4/18/2004 12:42:48 PM Pacific Standard Time > From: framedly@mts.net (Daryl Frame) > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > I am looking for : > Duncan Ferguson b. abt 1819, married Janet Ferguson on June 6, 1845 in > Callander, Perthshire. > > I have no info on Duncan's family or whether he and Janet were related. > > Janet's parents were: > Peter Ferguson and Murray McIntyre. Married April 9, 1823 in Kilmadock. > > Murray was born October 3, 1892 (should probably be 1792) in Kilmadock, the > daughter of John McIntyre > and Elisabeth McFarlane who were married August 6, 1783. > > Siblings of Murray: > Elizabeth (b August 23, 1784) > John (b February 14, 1791) > Daniel (b March 19, 1786) > James (b Febuary 8, 1789) > > If anyone is related or has any info on these families, I would love to hear > from you! > Daryl L Frame >

In my family I have a William Stewart married to a Catherine Scrimgeour. Who on March 27, 1796 had a son, Donald Stewart, at Logierait in Perthshire. Donald married Jean/Jane McNaughton (b 1792 at Dowally) on September 11, 1823 at Dowally. To them were born 6 children. The eldest was John Alexander Stewart, who was born on February 14, 1824. John is my great grandfather. I wonder at some point if our families are connected. I'll look forward to hearing from you. Richard Ball Canby, Oregon, USA rxfball@cs.com > Subj:[PERTH] Clarke Gardiner Reid > Date:4/20/2004 2:26:21 AM Pacific Standard Time > From: ehad@xtra.co.nz (Elizabeth Adamthwaite) > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > > > > Dear Listers > > Robert Bruce had nothing on me. Try try again - (or annoy people again and > again.) > > Still looking for the Clarkes of Kenmore - Frank and Margaret -on 1881 > census aged in their 30's - looking for records of their son, Frank, a joiner who > migrated to Melbourne c.1919.? Need Margaret's maiden name. > > Martin, (son of George Gardiner, and Janet Borrowdale) somehow related to > the Scrimgeours/Carrs of Glasgow Road Perth, born c.1895 - in Australian Army > W W I. > > Peter Reid Close enough to the Scrimgeour/Carr family to be called "Uncle > Peter" and for the youngest Scrimgeour daughter to be called after him: > Caroline Reid Scrimgeour.(b.1885). > > Grateful for any assistance. > eliz. >

Hi John, I can't add much to your friend's family but I found the following on the microfiche " McKirdy Index to Deaths in the Statutory Registers 1855-1875 : Kinross-shire" Janet KIRK, died aged 65 (the sister of Mary Kirk who married Alexander Penny) Spouse : Alexander NICOL, farmer Father : John KIRK, labourer, deceased Mother : Mary BAIN, deceased Parish : Orwell Entry No. : 0033 Year : 1868 LDS Film No. : 0363258 and this is her husband : Alexander NICOL, farmer, died aged 73 Widower of Janet KIRK Father : William NICOL, farmer, deceased Mother : Magdaline MONCREIFF, deceased Parish : Orwell Entry No. : 0001 Year : 1869 LDS Film No. : 0384141 Informant : John NICOL, son of Alexander NICOL and here is a daughter of the above couple : Mary NICOL, died aged 50 Spouse : Andrew STARK, railway porter Father : Alexander NICOL, farmer, deceased Mother : Janet KIRK, deceased Parish : Kinross Entry No. : 0022 Year : 1872 LDS Film No. : 0300318 I think there are some STARK children if you would like them, but they may be too far removed from the PENNY line to be of interest at this time. There are no entries on the fiche at all for the name PENNY although there are a few for the variant spelling PENNIE, but none of these are in Fossoway. Hope this is of some interest, Best wishes, Valerie in Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Chalmers" <john@dgnscrn.demon.co.uk> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: PENNY Blairingone > I'm trying to assist a friend who is interested in: > > "The farming family of Alexander PENNY and Mary (KIRK) PENNY": > > Husband: Alexander Penny > Born: 1780 > Christened: > Died: 7 Jun 1848 - Kelty Bridge, Fifeshire, Scotland. > Buried: Jun 1848 - Fossoway Churchyard, Kinross-shire, Scotland. > > Wife: Mary Kirk > Born: 23 Nov 1799 - Orwell, Kinross-shire, Scotland > Christened: > Died: > Buried: > Father: John Kirk ( - ) > Mother: Mary Bayne ( - ) > > Children > > 1 F Mary Penny > Born: 23 Apr 1821 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, > Scotland. > 2 F Ellen Coventry Penny > Born: 11 Feb 1823 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, > Scotland. > 3 M Alexander Penny > Born: 11 Apr 1825 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, > Scotland > 4 M John Kirk Penney > Born: 30 Apr 1827 - Parish of Fossoway & Tulliebole, > Kinross-shire, > Scotland. > 5 M William Penny > Born: 21 Jun 1830 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, > 6 F Janet Penny > Born: May 1835 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, > Scotland. > > Any help gratefully received! > > John > > -- > John Gibson Chalmers - john@dgnscrn.demon.co.uk > ... also at john.chalmers@us.abb.com > Homepages ... http://www.dgnscrn.demon.co.uk/ > and ... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~chalmers/ > > ______________________________

Atholl, Unfortunately the 1881 census, which I have here on CD, does not give proper place names for the households in the parish of Dowally. I know who was living and farming at Dalcapon in 1881. This was Donald Ferguson & family (his mother was a Butter, hence my interest). Their entry is simply given the address "Farmhouse". There is Forbes household nearby: Dwelling: Census Place: Dunkeld & Dowally, Perth, Scotland Source: FHL Film 0203504 GRO Ref Volume 344 EnumDist 2 Page 10 Marr Age Sex Birthplace Duncan FORBES M 65 M Logierait, Perth, Scotland Rel: Head Occ: General Labourer Isabella FORBES M 65 F Blair Athole, Perth, Scotland Rel: Wife Duncan FORBES M 29 M Logierait, Perth, Scotland Rel: Son Occ: House Joiner Isabella FORBES M 28 F Thurso, Caithness, Scotland Rel: Daughter In Law Occ: Joiners Wife Isabella FORBES 1 F Edinburgh, Edinburgh, Scotland Rel: Grand Daur From the mid 19th century Ordnance Survey maps at http://www.old-maps.co.uk I can't see a Balmore but searching Google for Balmore and Ballinluig (the nearest village of any size) a copuple of funeral director's intimations come up for folk who lived there recently. http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22Balmore+Ballinluig%22&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe= UTF-8 I'm sure I've driven past it before, as I'm often in the area, but there are a couple of folk on this list who live in the area so perhaps they can throw some light on it. Regards, ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Atholl Cameron" <atholl2caroline.cam40@ntlworld.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2004 3:30 PM Subject: Dalcapon/ Forbes > I am looking for any information on a place near Dalcapon. BALMORE in our family nearly always prefixed be "the". How many houses were there in ~1900-1950 > We are also looking for a family Annie Cameron marrying a Forbes. We believe the lived near or at Balmore. This is the last line of our Cameron family to fully trace. > We would be grateful for any help, > > > YOURS ATHOLL > > ______________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.657 / Virus Database: 422 - Release Date: 13/04/2004

-----Original Message----- From: ANDREW WALLACE [mailto:andrew_s_wallace@msn.com] Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 3:54 AM To: patrick@pdunbar.fsnet.co.uk Cc: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} STANLEY Hi Patrick I am at present holidaying in OZ and away from my paper files. However, from a somewhat faulty memory, at the time you are researching I seem to recall that the parish boundary ran through the centre of Stanley, the northern part of the village being in Auchtergaven Parish and the southern half in Redgorton Parish. Hope this helps ! Andy (Dunfermline, Scotland) _________________________________________________________________ Sign-up for a FREE BT Broadband connection today! http://www.msn.co.uk/specials/btbroadband

Hello Barb A few of my "Penny" relatives were also born in Miltons Bog and the only reference to it is part of Auchterarder to the right on the map at old maps, just Milton. If you go to Perthshire, Auchterarder and then enlarge the image Milton was by the Mill Leach so might be classed as a bog! http://www.old-maps.co.uk

I am looking for any information on a place near Dalcapon. BALMORE in our family nearly always prefixed be "the". How many houses were there in ~1900-1950 We are also looking for a family Annie Cameron marrying a Forbes. We believe the lived near or at Balmore. This is the last line of our Cameron family to fully trace. We would be grateful for any help, YOURS ATHOLL

I am looking for : Duncan Ferguson b. abt 1819, married Janet Ferguson on June 6, 1845 in Callander, Perthshire. I have no info on Duncan's family or whether he and Janet were related. Janet's parents were: Peter Ferguson and Murray McIntyre. Married April 9, 1823 in Kilmadock. Murray was born October 3, 1892 in Kilmadock, the daughter of John McIntyre and Elisabeth McFarlane who were married August 6, 1783. Siblings of Murray: Elizabeth (b August 23, 1784) John (b February 14, 1791) Daniel (b March 19, 1786) James (b Febuary 8, 1789) If anyone is related or has any info on these families, I would love to hear from you! Daryl L Frame

btw Mary Kirk and dau Helen Coventry Penny were at Station Rd., Dollar in 1881 - a were two grandchildren named McGillivray (born Nairn) Regards Tony

One problem you are going to find with this family is that Alexander and two of his siblings appear in baptism records as PEDDIE - as does the marriage of his father, also Alexander, to Helen Coventry. The remainder of Alexander's siblings are baptised as PENNIE All this takes place in Tulliallan Both PEDDIE and PENNY ar not uncommon in the immediate area As yet I have not attempted to trace all lines of descent to see what form evolved If most lines evolved as PENNY then we must accept that - it may have gone in BOTH directions !! Regards Tony http://www.tmurray.stirling.co.uk

I have an old family Bible where family births, deaths, etc. are recorded. My grandfather's great-grandmother (easier to say that way than to figure out how many "greats" she is to me!) is recorded as having been born in 1835 in Milton's Bog, Auchterarder. That is also where her father records his place of residence when he first received the Bible a few years before that. Does anyone know what Milton's Bog is? Is it a hamlet, or a farm? Any help would be greatly appreciated! (I know her baptism was recorded in Dunblane if that helps at all.) Her name is Jean/Jane MacFarlane, her father is William MacFarlane and mother Isabella Ferguson. The family immigrated to Delaware County, New York USA sometime around 1840 (they were in NY state for the 1840 census) and Isabella died sometime around 1840 as well. I have more details if anyone thinks they have links to this family. Thank you! _________________________________________________________________ Check out MSN PC Safety & Security to help ensure your PC is protected and safe. http://specials.msn.com/msn/security.asp

Further to my first and not very informative email request: Christian Drummond Sage was widowed in about 1853 and lived the rest of her life in Crieff/Comrie. If you could do any lookups I would be very appreciative Thanks Leslie

Could you do a lookup of Christian Drummond Sage who died about 1928 aged 104 according to legend - and newspaper writeup at 100 Thanks Leslie

I'm trying to assist a friend who is interested in: "The farming family of Alexander PENNY and Mary (KIRK) PENNY": Husband: Alexander Penny Born: 1780 Christened: Died: 7 Jun 1848 - Kelty Bridge, Fifeshire, Scotland. Buried: Jun 1848 - Fossoway Churchyard, Kinross-shire, Scotland. Wife: Mary Kirk Born: 23 Nov 1799 - Orwell, Kinross-shire, Scotland Christened: Died: Buried: Father: John Kirk ( - ) Mother: Mary Bayne ( - ) Children 1 F Mary Penny Born: 23 Apr 1821 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, Scotland. 2 F Ellen Coventry Penny Born: 11 Feb 1823 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, Scotland. 3 M Alexander Penny Born: 11 Apr 1825 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, Scotland 4 M John Kirk Penney Born: 30 Apr 1827 - Parish of Fossoway & Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, Scotland. 5 M William Penny Born: 21 Jun 1830 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, 6 F Janet Penny Born: May 1835 - Fossoway and Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, Scotland. Any help gratefully received! John -- John Gibson Chalmers - john@dgnscrn.demon.co.uk ... also at john.chalmers@us.abb.com Homepages ... http://www.dgnscrn.demon.co.uk/ and ... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~chalmers/

Thank you to the listers for all the help that they gave me for my requests and, by now, everyone who sent me a wish list should have had it returned. If you have not, can you re-send as I have not seen it. Happy to help anyone. Regards Heather J

I've been reading this forum with interest since the subject of monumental inscriptions came up. My great-grandfather, Robert Robertson, b. 1826 in Forteviot, leased Middle Third Farm, on Tullebardine Road, at the edge of Auchterarder/Blackford, from about 1861 on. We know he died in a farming accident sometime between 1883 and 1886, but I have been unable to locate a death certificate in Scottish archives (www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk). I have photos of him, of the farm, and even his original marriage certificate in my possession. He appears in the 1881 census for Middle Third. After his death, his widow Elizabeth Drummond and their children emigrated to the US and Canada. I believe he is buried in either Blackford or Auchterarder cemeteries (although there's a slight chance he may have been buried in Forteviot or Edinburgh). The monument, if found, will likely give the date of his death. Can I look this up on online archives? Is there someone who can do the lookup for me? It would clear up one of the big mysteries in our family. Thanks! ---Bob (Robert Drummond) Robertson Napa Valley, California

jim, i bought 2 CDs of Scottish history from SCRAN and I learned that because of mechanization in the mid 1850s, on farms fewer men were men were needed...and the scots didn't own their land they rented. as lease length grew shorter, and it was risky to put any profits into improvements if you didn't own the land, but if you could loose the land with any failed harvest, or illness/family hardship/lowland clearances...... Each time a son wanted to marry he would have to look for land to rent but none near his parent was available and their land couldn't be subdivided hand loom weavers were forced out by power looms (mechanization) better to emigrate to a place like Canada....where they could own lands and old skills were needed..... mechanization was needed only in the coastal cities in the U.S., South Africa and Australia so skilled workers went there and others headed for the frontier regions. The CDs taught me more about living conditions in an hour than several books on history...I highly recomend them. Killin is very pretty, my great grandmother Annie McPhail was born there... I bought a nice book on the village history while there http://www.scran.ac.uk/ Mary

Bob, My family is from Fergus.....small world! There are no first names so I have to look at every grave, it is so large a cemetery it is broken up into alphabetical blocks through a-g I think 206 is her...... Mary pringles A:72,90, b:8,92,145 d:151,206,241 72 imo Adam Pringle Lord provost of Perth 1833-5 d 27.8.1849 89, 2w Mary Jervey 22.11.1855 80, by gs Jas Cornfute 90 by Cecilia CORNFUTE imo [adam] PRINGLE 9.7.1816 55 Jane Cornfute 7.1820 69 more of the cornfute family b8 1792 Alex and Geo Speed and Helen Springle a son and three das 92 John Pringle indweller Perth 6.5.1876 74 & w Janet Cameron 6.8.1841 34, fa Robert Pringle 11.5.1811 63, mo Ann Gibson 19.1.1843 81, bro Wm d Demerara West Indes 12.1815 24 s Robt 25.12.1833 3m, da Jessie, 17.4.1855 17, s John d New York 18.6.1869 33, s Robt d Wellington New Zealand (West Side) 2w Clementina Hill d Glasgow 9.12.1888 19, s Jas Hill d Ashfield suburb of Sydney 145 Revd Alex Pringle DD after presiding over the people of his charge 62y 12.5.1839 87 (ED: see Small, History of UP Church ii 546) da Jane 22.10.1851 (h Hugh Mitchell 19.2.1838) there is more on the family d:151 Jas Pringle Riach KLS Late of the HEIC Bombay Medical Service attach to the British Embassy at court of Persia (hard to find that info without finding it by accident on his stone) 206 FOUND HER!!! 1849 by Jas PRINGLE Painter Perth 12.3.1858 61, s Jas d inf da Jane Ann Robertson 15.3.1867 23, 3s Thos 19.6.1871 23, 1s Robt 15.7.1885 44, w Helen Oliphant Pringle [11].9.1890 Robt Pringle painter, wid Janet MacFarlane Pringle 3.5.1910 61 241 john Riach late teacher at Perth Academy Jas Pringle died at sea 1860 Mary

Hi Mary: Could you please look up a Grayfriars entry for a Jane Ann Robertson Pringle, b. 19 Nov. 1843, supposed to have died at the age of 23. Her parents were James Pringle and Helen Oliphant. Thank you. Bob, Guelph, Ont.

Caputh Ross 5.9.58.82-4 5 wm bisset wright culthill fa john bisset mo eliz ross and family (1850s) 9 Thos brodie in caputh w ann ross 3.5.1851 76 58 Donald stewart, w ann ross 14.5 1849 33 84-4 82 1847 jas dow mo ann ross fa peter dow 83 (next to 82) joseph ross in blinkbonny 9.2.1868 92, w hannah brough 84 chas ross gardner kincairney 21.2.1879 60, w jane thomson clunie has one grave 43 TS coffin, open bible, sandglas. mr alex ross min clunie 1719 15th year of ministry dowally grave 4 alex seaton and w jessie ross cameron dunkeld ross is grave 30-1 donald ross in london fa in law geo shorthouse supervisor here w helen easton, gs george shorthouse ross Sorry struck out on Jans Rosses but put them out to the list in case some one else had Ross as a surname.