Mary, Do you, or any other list members, know anything about Mill Hill Farm in Perthshire? Patrick Peter was also a coachman at Castle Huntly prior to opening a tavern in that area. Patrick Peter SMALL b: 30 Jan 1782 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: 28 Dec 1866 in Mill Hill Farm, Perthshire, Scotland Thanks, Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan BRUINSWOOD@aol.com wrote: >I just wanted to thank Heather for her kindness in doing look-ups and to the >other on the list who go out of their way to help others. > >My parents taught me that when you have something positive to say you should >do it in front of as many people as posible just as the reserse is true...say >negative things in private. > >Heather looked up my Powries and I am grateful for having them. It is a rare >name. I have the MIs (monument Inscription books mainly pre-1855) for East >Perthshire Volume 1, which includes > >1. Abernyte >2a Alyth church >b Alyth cemetery >c Drumfork >3a Bendochy >b Cally >4a Blairgowrie >b cemetery >5 Cargill >6 Collace >7 Coupar Angus >8a Errol >b Ardgaith >c Megginch >d Inchmartin >9a Inchture >b Rossie >10a Kilspindie >b Rait >11 Kinfauns >12a Kinloch >b Achalader >c Lethendy >13 Kinnaird >14 Longforgan >15a Meigle >b Kinloch Mausoleum >16 Rattray >17 St. Madoes >18a St. Martins >b Cambusmichael > >North Perthshire, Volume 1 > 1a Auchtergaven (Bankfoot) >b Logiebride >2 Kinclaven >3 Kinnoull >4a Moneydie >b Logiealmond >5 Perth Cith Kirks >6 Perth Wellshill cemetery > >7 Perth Greyfriars >a Block A >b Block B >c Block C >d Block D >e Block E >f Block F >g Block G > >8a Redgorton >b Luncarty >c Pitcairn > >9a Scone, one >b Moot Hill >c Scone, New >d Scone cemetery > > >North Perthshire, Volume 2 > >1 Blair Atholl >a old Blair >b Parish Church >c Lude >d Aldclune >e Boreninich >f Kilmaveonaig >g Struan >2 Caputh >3 Clunie >4 Dowally >5a Dull >b Amulree >c Foss >d Fincastle >e Grandtully > >6 Dulkeld >7a Fortingall >b Camghouran >c Carie >d Crossmount >e Mor Cladh >Rannoch >f Inverchadden >g Meggernie >hInvervar >i Kerrowmore >j Killichonan >k Kinloch >Rannoch >l Lassintulloch >m Bolfracks > >8a Kenmore >b Ardtalnaig >c Fearnan >d Lawers >e Morenish >f Glenquaich > >9 Kirkmichael >b Glenshee >c Gray > >10a Little Dunkeld (Birnam) >b Lagganallachy >c Murthly > >11a Logierait >b Dunavourd >c Dunfallandy >d Killichassie >e Pitnacree >f Tullymet > >12a Moulin >b Faskally >c Kindrogan > >13 Weem > >I also have the South Perthshire, volume 1. There is a main index in the back >and a small index for each cemetery but neither have first names so in order >to find a particular grave i must look up each stone....which I don't mind >unless someone askes for every mcdonald in Perth and Angus....... > >They were done by the Scottish genealocal society in Edinburgh and are fairly >inexpensive if you want a whole surname. I reasearched a whole surname and >less than 1% of the people buried in a cemetery had stones so consider a >tombstone a gift,( it is easier to win the lottery) rather than expecting to find >one......don't want to get your hopes up but I will look. you can ask the local >council, parks dept. for the record, if you have the full death date since the >cemetery records are not computerized.....but you have to know which cemetery >and the full death date.... the books are huge. > >Mary in Oregon > > >==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > Remember to change the subject line to reflect > YOUR message to the list. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- > > > >

heather j WILLIAMS wrote: >I have the following 1851 Perthshire 1851 Census Indices and will do look-ups: - > >Clunie >Longforgan (His son, William, was christened on 04 Apr 1819 at Long Gorgan?) > > I would welcome any information regarding Patrick Peter SMALL b: 30 Jan 1782 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: 28 Dec 1866 in Mill Hill Farm, Perthshire, Scotland Thank you! Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan

Reposting Gray I am looking for descendants of James Gray b 1828 & Jane K King b 1831 Their children are (- [1] William Gray b 14 Feb 1853 Barony Lks [2] Helen Anderson Gray b 25 Dec 1854 Logie [3] Mary McRuer Gray b 1856 Logie [4] James Gray b 1858 Logie [5] Daniel King Gray b 1860 Logie [6] Jessie Gray b 1862 Logie [7] John Gray b 1864 Logie [8] Jane Ann Gray b 1865 Logie [9] Emily Barclay Gray b 1868 Logie [10] Edith Gray b 1870 Logie [11] George McGruer Gray b 1872 Bridge of Allan Sti? 1881 census James Gray was living at Wolf's Crag Logie with 8 children James was a Plasterer Can anyone please help with descendants of this family, regards Malcolm Australia

Hello All, I think its time I posted my interest We have been able to trace to about 1750 to Donald CAMPBELL and his wife Catherine McDIARMID. They were living in Callender Perthshire Scotland, where two of their children where born 1. Finlay CAMPBELL was born on 24 and baptised 26 Sept 1779. Callender married Christian MacALLAN. 2. John CAMPBELL born & baptised 2nd Dec 1781 at Callender. Parish[ The family moved to Craigoughty, Aberfoyle where 3. George b 19 Aug and baptised on 21 Aug 1792 by Rev M. Graham, may have married ? Ferrier[ and later: 4. Archibald baptised 15 Sept 1803 at Kenmore Perthshire I don't know if he is a member of this family. He is not recorded in the IGI but listed by a person in USA in IGI. (person now dead.) Any information would be gratefully received. Marjorie in Sunny Australia

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Hello List, Your help is much appreciated, thank you for all that I've had so far. Now I would like to ask for a census lookup if I may, for the Brig O Turk and or the Blackford area I am looking for Duncan McGregor head , wife Henrietta Isabella Fergusson , Children, Margaret, Peter, Janet, and Robert. The two older children Margaret and Peter or Patrick may be else where. I would particularly like to know Duncan's occupation at that time. Thanks for your help, Mary.

Bob, Just go to the main search page and type in at least the given and surnames of the father and the given name of the mother. Obviously if you have the maiden surname for her that's even better. Leave all other names blank. Set the Event box at either "Birth/Christening" or "All". You can also use the regional and year range boxes. I've also found that even if you just know a woman's maiden name you can use that on its own. For instance, I was sure that an ancestor's sisters must have married and had children, but I didn't know their married names. So I assumed they would name a son after their own father, going by Scottish naming patterns, and used the given name of William and the mother's maiden surname of Barton. I was able to filter it down to just search Scotland. It works really well. Hope that helps! Alison Spring East Kilbride Lanarkshire Scotland ==========Original Message========== Subject: IGI-children Good Morning: I am finding relatives in the Family Search and I think there is a way of finding the children of couples. I thought I had the method written down, I have looked through my papers and have not found the method. There is also instructions on their site, but that didn't work for me. Could SKS spell it out for me? Thank you. Bob. Guelph. _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Hello List I dont have many Maxwell's in my wood pile but here goes William Maxwell b c 1773 Kilbryde Dunblane Per. Sct. married date unknown Elizabeth Gillespie 1765 - 1829;; 2 known children (- [1] William b 1795 Lerrocks Kilmadock Per. Sct.died Oct 1851 in Doune Per Sct. he married 1830 in Kilmadock Ann McNee 1796 - 1875 d/o James Mcnee and Jean Dewar;; 5 known children to William and Ann (- [1] Jean b 1830 Kilmadock;; marr 1870 Govan Lks. James Clark [2] Elizabeth b 1832 Kilmadock M 1865 Kilmadock David McNiven [3] William b 1834 Kilmadock; d 1858 Kilmadockbur Kilbryde Cem. [4] James b 1836 Kilmadock;; married 1866 Helen Moir d/o James Moir & Ann Hart;; James & Helen had 5 known children [5] John b 1840 Kilmadock can anyone relate to the above family, I am looking for descendants regards Malcolm

John Cameron b c 1771 Easter Bow of Kilbryde Dunblane Sct.d 1832 Dunblane Married [unknown date & place] Mary McMartin b c 1777, place unknown I child known [1] John b 1814 Dunblane Per, d 1901, Kilbryde Per. bur Kilbryde. married June 1854 Dunblane; Janet Dewar 1825 - 1877 d/o Alexander Dewar 1785 - 1862 & Elisabeth McNee b 1791 Kilmadock 8 Known children to John & Janet [1] John Cameron, b Mar 1855 Dunblane [2] Alexander Cameron b Feb 1856 marr 1891 Margaret Henderson [3] Elizabeth Cameron b Jan 1858, Dunblane , Marr. 1884 Dunblane Alexander McIntyre [4] Margaret Cameron b Sep 1860 Dunblane [5] Duncan Cameron b Dec 1862 Dunblane [6] Janet Cameron b Oct 1864 Dunblane [7] Jean Cameron b Feb 1867 Dunblane [8] Donald Cameron b Apr 1869 D 1875 Dunblane I am looking for descendants of all the above Families anyone researching this line?? regards Malcolm Australia

John Cameron b c 1725 in Fortingall, Per. Sct. married 28 Oct 1752, Helen Campbell b c 1730 Fortingall, Children (- [1] John Cameron b 1763 Kinlochrannoch Fortingall Per [2] Hugh Cameron b 1766 Fortingall Per. [3] James b 1768 Kinlochrannoch Fortingall [4] Eleanora Helen Cameron b c 1769 Fortingall;; married 19 Aug 1792 in Fortingall, James McKinlay, 1756 - 1825 8 children known to this marriage anyone researching this family? regards Malcolm

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Good Morning: Thank you to all that replied to request for help finding the children. The instructions worked and I am finding children that I didn't know about. Again thank you. Bob. Guelph.

Dear List, I was wondering if there is a census that I may request a look up for David Fenton. Native of Perthshire. Occupation: Printer, soldier, labourer. Born 1815 Perthshire and died 1876 Sydney, Australia. Married Mary Goulding at Wollongong, NSW in 1850. 8 children born. David left Scotland on the "Woodbridge" in 1839 and arrived in Sydney in 1840 Please help on this is very much appreciated. Regards Amanda - Sydney, NSW, Australia

> > >There is a small cemetery in Glen Lyon, on private land, near Milton Eonan. >As I recall, there's a low stone wall around it, and it's on the south side >of the road. Many of the names are MacNaughtans. Perhaps someone with more >up-to-date information can tell you about it. I'd like to know myself if >there's a listing of the MIs there. >Sheila I'd also like to know if there's an MI list as I have McNaughtans from there. thanks, Peggy

Could anyone tell me where one could find marriages at sea on emigrant ships?

Ross, To find accomodation, you could try the official tourist board site. It is www.visitscotland.com My husband and I visited Kirkmichael last year. It is quite a small village. Looking for the cemetary we drove through the village and found a small modern cemetary. We knew there had to be something else, so we turned round and discovered we had driven right past the churchyard. Happy Hunting Doreen Fife

Without supporting evidence it would be unwise to assume that the two Duncan McGregors are one and the same Two points 1. Duncan and Janet were having children up to 1827 - after the date given for the 2nd marriage 2. There seems to be quite a gap between 1821 - the reputed date of the 2nd marriage and the birth of Peter - 15 years It might be worth investigating if the 1821 date is a mis-transcription for 1831 Regards Tony ps Duncan McGregors are quite thick in the ground in the area

Dupytrens Contracture was supposed to have been a trait of the MacCrimmons, the highly-revered pipers of old. I had a wee lump come up in the palm of my left hand, inboard of my ring finger. "Oh! Said my doctor, Margaret Thatcher's Disease". (The Iron Lady had a bad case of it, and underwent surgery). It worried me, though as a piper, I was in good company (see my first paragraph, though my expertise would make the MacCrimmon's cringe!). My mother had a very bent finger, and I could visualise that my piping days were over. However, five years later the lump is much smaller and although my finger is straight - perhaps the regular exercise of piping has eased it - it sometimes is a bit slow and won't do exactly what I want it to do - anyhow that's my excuse when I muck up a tune. How about the KERR's whose family trait is said to be left-handedness? Pat Dunbar -----Original Message----- From: Iris F Reily [mailto:iris@reily.org] Sent: 27 April 2004 05:40 To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [PERTH] Bent little finger again Seems to me the widow's peak, the premature white hair and the freckles must also be of Celtic origin. Many of my cousins and I have the long index toe and all of the above.... But then, I also seem to have the bent finger if it is just the top joint - or could that just be from arthritis? <g> Iris F, Reily ______________________________

Greetings all. We /some appear to have been enjoying this slight change in tack while we check the common positions of our body parts. To go to the ultimate or "root" of the matter, our male side of the family have shown signs of baldness from a young age and we have photos going back to the mid 1800's which show the fellas when they were not wearing hats, to be quite bald. I was bald at age 22, my Dad waited until he had married Mum in his late 20's, my brothers have kept most of theirs, my son has a smooth patch like mine. But there is always a "BUT", I can see a GGGG Grandfather who has a good head of hair and he is not young when the photo was taken. How do you explain that? We are still to verify all his details, and that is the excitement of doing genealogy. My wife and I are coming to UK next month. If time is available and no Malls are around, we could attack our Birth area of Kirkmichael and walk the paths, sit in the church and generally get the feel of the area. We think we have found our direct lineage back to 1780's but at some stage 1850's one McIntosh came to New Zealand, his brothers and sisters disappeared from view. Can anyone tell us the most practical place to stop near Kirkmichael, where we could find a good B & B for a few days? Not the actual house but a Town. Thanks, Ross in cool, moist Auckland NZ

I understand that baldness is passed on thru the female side of the family Maybe that explains the descendant with a full head of hair!! Regards Pat Stedman Brisbane, Australia ******************************************** One-name study of Keillor/Keillar/Keiller etc http://www.users.bigpond.com/kiellor/index.htm and for Clutton families http://www.geocities.com/p_stedman/Index.htm ******************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Ross & Eileen McIntosh [mailto:ross.m@xtra.co.nz] Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 8:54 PM To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTH] Modifications to our personal appendages Greetings all. We /some appear to have been enjoying this slight change in tack while we check the common positions of our body parts. To go to the ultimate or "root" of the matter, our male side of the family have shown signs of baldness from a young age and we have photos going back to the mid 1800's which show the fellas when they were not wearing hats, to be quite bald. I was bald at age 22, my Dad waited until he had married Mum in his late 20's, my brothers have kept most of theirs, my son has a smooth patch like mine. But there is always a "BUT", I can see a GGGG Grandfather who has a good head of hair and he is not young when the photo was taken. How do you explain that? We are still to verify all his details, and that is the excitement of doing genealogy. My wife and I are coming to UK next month. If time is available and no Malls are around, we could attack our Birth area of Kirkmichael and walk the paths, sit in the church and generally get the feel of the area. We think we have found our direct lineage back to 1780's but at some stage 1850's one McIntosh came to New Zealand, his brothers and sisters disappeared from view. Can anyone tell us the most practical place to stop near Kirkmichael, where we could find a good B & B for a few days? Not the actual house but a Town. Thanks, Ross in cool, moist Auckland NZ ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== -------------------------------------------------- Send all messages to PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com ONLY use the 'request' address to subscribe or to unsubscribe from the list. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html --------------------------------------------------