On Wed, 5 May 2004 13:09:21 +1000 "Malcolm Gray" <malstgray@bigpond.com> wrote: (SNIP) > > McRuar/er; Kilmadock (this name seems to have died out) > Doune, > (SNIP) Your comment of the name dying out intrigues me. What years do you show data? What manner of data? (No connection but close enough to [Mc]Ruadhri to be of interest). -- Lawrence David Rodger, Patriarch "Clan Rodger of North Carolina, USA" "Cuimhnich air na daoine o'n d'thainig thu"

Hi As I didn't see my email that I sent to this list I will try again. I am searching for anyone with any connections to SLATER family who lived in Caputh. Many thanks Helen McNamara in nz

Does anyone know whether hammer toes are in the same category as bent fingers and long toes? There are quite a few in my family. Iris of Auckland, New Zealand

Hi, I would love to make contact with anyone who has family connections in Caputh in Perthshire. Helen McNamara in New Zealand

> Can anyone tell me the difference between the Mac and Mc attached to > surnames. In practical terms, absoultely nothing. People frequently alternated betwwen the two until more recent times. ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.672 / Virus Database: 434 - Release Date: 29/04/2004

Hello, Mary McGruer Gray was born at Bridge of Allan, Stirlingshire, 11 Nov 1856. She died 27 Sep 1922 at Braehead, Dunblane and was buried in Dunblane Cathedral Churchyard on 29 Sep 1922. She had married William Cousin McCaull, son of Peter Mccaull and Isabella Cousin, who was born at Dykedale Farm, Dunblane, on 21 Feb 1858 and died at Barbush, Dunblane, on 09 Nov 1907, being buried in Dunblane Cathedral Churchyard on 12 Nov 1907. They had a son Peter McCaull, who died 18 Jul 1960 and is buried in his parents' grave. Dave Stirling

Date: Sat, 1 May 2004 20:32:41 +1000 From: "Malcolm Gray" <malstgray@bigpond.com> To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: reposting interests MacLaren, Callander McLaren, Annie Callander, Comrie, Muthill, Malcolm Malcolm, You don't state the time period of your interests, but I'll give it a try, because I have McLarens who came from Callander. Do you have any record of the following persons? Alexander (or James - some confusion here) McLaren, born before 1750 in Callander; married 17 Dec 1768 in Kilmadock to Elizabeth (or Janet - more confusion) Ferguson, also born in Callander before 1750. Only one known child: James McLaren born 9 Sep 1779 in Callander, married in Ontario, Canada (or possibly in USA) between 1810 and 1818 to Mary McNabb (born in Islay in 1794). They had 5 children, all born in Ontario between 1819 and 1838: Alexander, Andrew, James, Mary & John. Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada HARRISON Yorkshire, Staffordshire, London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark, Orkney, Glasgow, Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire & Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness, Swaziland SPENCE Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire, Islay, Dumbarton, Glasgow, Australia (Vic) BAIRD Renfrew HAM Australia (Vic) THOMPSON Suffolk AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannan McNABB Islay MURRAY Dumfries, Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries CALDWELL Tyrone, Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone, Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

I have bent little fingers i.e. overlappping the ring fingers on both hands my eldest daughter has the the same but hers are also bent towards the palm and have been since birth, she is now 26yrs old. She has the classic Celtic colouring of Tishan hair and pale skin. I and my three children have all all discovered that we have extremely small thumbs, reaching just above the knuckle. My g.g.grandfather came from the Perth area, he was a John Kennedy, a shepherd and i have hit on a rather common name with no leads. Barbara

Hi Malcolm I spotted a couple of possible connections among your interests. I have: David KENNEDY bapt 3 Feb 1809, Dull; 1851 Census says born Crieff, though 1861 has Dull. His parents were David KENNEDY and Elizabeth RUTHERFORD. David (son)'s wife was Ann CAMPBELL bapt 10 Aug 1806 Fowlis Wester, daughter of Archibald CAMPBELL and Barbara CAMPBELL; again, 1851 Census says born Crieff, but later ones say Fowlis Wester. When Archibald and Barbara married in 1792, he was of Fortingall and she was of Logierait, although Ann's marriage entry (1828) describes Archibald as a farmer (deceased) of Monzie. David and Ann married in 1828 in Edinburgh, and I know of 9 children. The first five were born in Crieff, and the other four in Cambusnethan LKS. David died in 1875, and after that Ann lived with her daughter Barbara in Muthill until her death in 1885. Barbara was the second wife of Duncan CAMPBELL, a blacksmith in Bennybeg, Muthill. I'd be interested to hear if this connects. Regards, Arthur Kennedy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Malcolm Gray" <malstgray@bigpond.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 11:32 AM Subject: [PERTH] reposting interests > Kennedy, Crief <snip>

Hi, I have a request but unfortunately I don't have any fixed information about where the family were living in 1851... I am looking for: William PATON - he married in 1831 so presume he would be at least 40yrs of age and no idea where he was born Elizabeth/Betty (nee POWRIE) his wife I believe may be 54yrs of age - which is perhaps a guide for Williams age and born Perthshire or Kettins, Forfarshire? Issue that I know of: Alexander PATON - born 1831 Elizabeth - born Dec 1832 James - born May 1835 Isabella Low(e) born May 1837 and perhaps a son William The children were all christened in Collace (1st two) and St Martin for James and Isabella. Sorry that I haven't got particularly good information to go on.... Many thanks, in anticipation Pam ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Small <jesmall@neb.rr.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 12:37 AM Subject: Re: [PERTH] 1851 Census Indices held > heather j WILLIAMS wrote: > > >I have the following 1851 Perthshire 1851 Census Indices and will do look-ups: - > > > >Clunie > >Longforgan (His son, William, was christened on 04 Apr 1819 at Long Gorgan?) > > > > > > I would welcome any information regarding > > Patrick Peter SMALL > b: 30 Jan 1782 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland > d: 28 Dec 1866 in Mill Hill Farm, Perthshire, Scotland > > Thank you! > Jim Small > http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > Remember to change the subject line to reflect > YOUR message to the list. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- > >

Ken, The Mc and Mac variations are just a myth! Purely down to how good someone was at spelling in an age when most people with such names were Gaelic speakers let alone able to read and write in English and once a family adopted one spelling or the other, they just stuck to it. You will often see the same person with both spellings and others at varying times in his/her life. The correct spelling of any name is always that used by the Clan chief or head of family if not a clan but there are no hard and fast rules. Cheers Mark John M. Sutherland-Fisher Past President and Genealogist: Clan Sutherland Co-Genealogist: Clan Mackenzie Professional Genealogist and Director: Fisher (Holiday Enterprises) Ltd web-site: www.highland-family-heritage.co.uk email: info@highland-family-heritage.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: The Pict [mailto:thepict@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: 02 May 2004 16:54 To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTH] Mac and Mc Can anyone tell me the difference between the Mac and Mc attached to surnames. I had the impression that Mac was Scottish and Mc was Irish. Could it be that the Mc was carried to Ireland from Scotland or am I completely wrong ? Ken Stearn ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== -------------------------------------------------- Send all messages to PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com ONLY use the 'request' address to subscribe or to unsubscribe from the list. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html --------------------------------------------------

Msc1434@aol.com wrote: >Jim, don't know if this will help, but there is a farm called Mill Hill about >3 or 4 miles north west of Longforgan. > >Regards, Dorothy (Longforgan) > Thanks Dorothy! I am descended from Patrick Peter Small. His death I have listed to have occurred at Mill Hill Farm, Perthshire: Patrick Peter SMALL b: 30 Jan 1782 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: 28 Dec 1866 in Mill Hill Farm, Perthshire, Scotland Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan

Can anyone tell me the difference between the Mac and Mc attached to surnames. I had the impression that Mac was Scottish and Mc was Irish. Could it be that the Mc was carried to Ireland from Scotland or am I completely wrong ? Ken Stearn

Jim, don't know if this will help, but there is a farm called Mill Hill about 3 or 4 miles north west of Longforgan. Regards, Dorothy (Longforgan)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathleen Ogg-Moss" <koggmoss@sympatico.ca> To: "The Pict" <thepict@blueyonder.co.uk> Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [PERTH] Mac and Mc > Somebody out there can correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how it was > explained to me. Mac, Mc and M' are all the same and are Gaelic for "son > of". The Irish "O' is Gaelic for "grandson of" and more or less meams > belonging to a certain family or clan. As explained to me , the surname is > Duff, the clan is MacDuff. I was also under the impression that Mac was > Scottish and Mc was Irish; or Mac was Protestant and Mc was Roman Catholic. > Not so!!! Kathleen > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "The Pict" <thepict@blueyonder.co.uk> > To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, May 02, 2004 11:54 AM > Subject: [PERTH] Mac and Mc > > > > Can anyone tell me the difference between the Mac and Mc attached to > > surnames. > > > > I had the impression that Mac was Scottish and Mc was Irish. > > > > Could it be that the Mc was carried to Ireland from Scotland or am I > > completely wrong ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken Stearn > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > > -------------------------------------------------- > > Send all messages to PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > ONLY use the 'request' address to > > subscribe or to unsubscribe from the list. > > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > > -------------------------------------------------- > > > > >

Reposting J to McNab(b) Jack, Stirling Kennedy, Crief King, Comrie, Muthill, Kilmadock, Kinross, Kilmadock Lauder, Blackford, Lock, Stirling MacDonald, Morven Arl, Callander, MacLaren, Callander Maxwell, Kilmadock, Dunblane, McAlpine, Killin McAree, Stirling McArthur, Kenmore, McBeth, Callander McCall, Ayr, Comrie, New Zealand McCaul, Aberfoyle, Callander McColl, Strathearn Per. McDiarmid, Perthshire McDonald, Glencoe, Inverness, Doune, Kilmadock, Glasgow, Springburn Lks, McEwen, Muthill, McFarlane, Kilmadock, & Portnahaven Arl McGregor, Auchmore, Killin, McInnes, Kilbryde McIntyre, Wester More Fortingall, Tighnablair Muthill, Kilfinichin Arl, Comrie, McKerracher, Kilmadock McKinlay, annie, Callander Killin, nether anie, Ardchullary, Inverhaggernie, Comrie, McLachlan, Callander, Doune,. McLaren, Annie Callander, Comrie, Muthill, McLean, Lecropt McNab(B), Killin, Monziviard, Callander, all for now will continue later Malcolm

Re my last post some of these familys have immigrated around the world Interests D to I Davidson, Kilmaronock Dewar, Kilmadock, Greenock Rfw, Aberdeen, Lks, Doig, Kilmadock Dow, Port of menteith, Callander Drummond, Cois Drysdale, Glenluce Duncan, Glenmuick Abd Dunlop, Berwick Eadie, Dunblane Easter, Kilmuir Per, Ardchattan, Arl Fenton, Forteviot Ferguson, Killin, Kilmadock, Callander, Girvan Ayr, Muthill, Stirling, Balquhidder, Canada, Forbes, Callander, Kilmadock, Forrester, Kippendavie Fraser, Abd Gibson, Kilmadock, Gillespie, Dunblane Goodwin, Dunbarton Gow, Dunblane, Wester bow of Kilbryde, Kilmadock, Gray, Alloa?, Stirling, Logie, Lecropt, Doune, Callander, Barony Lks Hart, Dundee, Dunblane, Fife, Henderson, Kilmadock, Innes, Carse of Cambus, Doune,

Hi I am Malcolm from Australia, and I think it is time to repost my interests I am researching Buchanan from Trean of Leny Their Descendants and collaterals this portion surnames A to C Surnames (- Anderson, Kilmadock;; Balfour, Callander;; Barclay, Abernathy;; Bayne, Muthill;; Bell, Dumfries;; Black, Dumfries;; Blair, Shannochill POM?;; Blue, Arl;; Borthwick, Mln;; Brash, Sti;; Brown, Mln;; Bryce, Muthill;; Bryden, Girvan, Ayr;; Buchanan, Callander, POM, Kilmadock, Dunblane, Balquhidder, Rox & Dur Eng;; Cameron, Fortingall, Dunblane, Loudon, Ayr,;; Campbell, Fortingall, Arl, Monzieviard, Glen lyon, Muthill;; Carmichael, Wester Glentarken Comrie, Muthill, Cater, Callander Chalmers, Auchtergaven, Christie, Callander, Lecropt Clark, Mln, & Lks, Colquhon, Aberfeldie & Balquhidder Comrie, Dalchonzie Cullen, Kilmadock Currie, Kilfinan Arl

Hi, I would like to make contact with anyone with SLATER connections of Caputh in Perthshire. Many Thanks Helen McNamara in New Zealand

I'm looking for connections or further information in the following family. TIA, Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan Descendants of John Small 1 John SMALL b: Abt. 1690 in Scotland .... 2 John SMALL, Jr b: in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland ........ +Grace DUNCAN b: 1760 d: Unknown .......... 3 Mary SMALL b: 02 Jan 1774 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: Unknown in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland .............. +Henry FLOOD m: 04 Nov 1796 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland .......... 3 Jean SMALL b: 13 Nov 1775 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: Unknown in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland .......... 3 Patrick Peter SMALL b: 30 Jan 1782 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: 28 Dec 1866 in Mill Hill Farm, Perthshire, Scotland .............. +Betty RODGERS b: 24 Aug 1802 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: Nov 1823 in Kingoudie (Dargie), Perthshire, Scotland ................. 4 William SMALL b: 02 Mar 1819 in Longforgan, Perthshire, Scotland d: 25 Jun 1899 in Shade Township, Somerset County, PA ..................... +Adaline LAMBERT b: 21 Oct 1830 in Buckstown, Somerset County, PA m: 1845 in Reels Corner, Somerset County, PA d: 28 Mar 1877 in Shade Township, Somerset County, PA .......... *2nd Wife of Patrick Peter SMALL: .............. +Isabel RATTRAY ................. 4 Ann Augusta SMALL ..................... +John MCLAREN ................. 4 Isabella Rattray SMALL ................. 4 SMALL .... 2 Margaret SMALL b: Bef. 07 Oct 1751 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: Unknown