Hello all, this is my first posting to this list My ancestor James Gray b 1761 Logie Perthshire Sct married Isobel Bryce b 22 Oct 1775 in Muthill Per.? I believe Isobell was daughter of James Bryce & Lilias Tainsh who married 1764 in Muthill however this is not proved by anything but the I.G.I there is a slight possibility that her parents were John Bryce of Dunblane & Catherine Graham I had an uncle who said in a time before i was interested that we had Graham ancestors James & Isabell had 3 sons all born Lecropt can anyone help with Isobell's family regards Malcolm

brick walls thus** Stewart Ann** marr. Archibald McGill 1788 at unknown 1 daughter Jean b c 1790 at unknown Stewart Ann** married James Fraser at unknown 1 daughter Christina b 1825 Stewart Ann b 1822 Dunblane Per. d/o John Stewart 1781 - 1858 & Anne Innes 1780-1860; marr 1858 Dunblane James Gow Stewart Anne** b 1796 Callander per. d/o George Stewart 1785 -1835 & Janet MacVey 1770-1843 Stewart Anne** b c 1777 Callander d/o James Stewart 1744 - 1807 & Mary Stewart 1754 - 1788 Stewart Anne b 1797 d/o John Stewart & Janet Dewar marr 1833 Callander Alexander McFarlane b 1798 Callander Stewart Anne b 1800 Callander d/o Donald Stewart of londrick 1757 - 1846 & Margaret McKinlay 1764 - 1848;; marr. 1821 Callander John Clark b 1800 Glasgow Stewart Anne** b 1808 Kilmadock marr. 1833 Kilmadock William Forbes 1797 - 1881 Stewart Anne Margaret** b 1870 Callander d/o Duncan Stewart 1820-1908 & Christian Ferguson 1832 -1920; Marr.?? James Mitchell nfi Stewart Anne Stewart*** d/o Duncan Stewart 1786 - 1819 & Christian Stewart 1787 - 1863 Stewart Archibald** d 1791 Callander marr?? Mary MacFarlane 1715 - 1796 ;; 6 children Stewart Archibald** s/o Donald Stewart b 1814 Callander & unknown;; possibly married Brown??? Stewart Archibald** 1788- 1847 Callander s/o Donald Stewart & Margaret McKinlay; marr ?? Elizabeth Buchanan Stewart Archibald** b c 1790 died Harwich Twp Ontario spouse not known;; 3 ? children Margaret b?;; Helen b 1820;; Agnes b c 1828 Stewart Catharine** b 1777 Callander per. d/o John Stewart & Christian Stewart Stewart Catharine** b 1816 Balquhidder per. d/o John Stewart in Glenbuckie & Janet McNaughton Stewart Catharine** b 1821 Edinburgh d/o Alexander Stewart & Christian MacDonald;; marr aft 1851, James Stewart b 1804 Callander Stewart Catherine** d/o ?? & ?? marr 1786 Kilmadock John Forbes 2 Children William & Duncan Stewart Catherine** d/o ?? & ?? married 1859 Stirling David Buchanan s/o ?? & ??; 1 child John Stewart Catherine** d/o Duncan Stewart 1786 - 1819 & Christian Stewart 1787 -1863 Stewart Catherine b 1788 Duart Callander d/o James Stewart 1744 - 1807 & Mary Stewart 1754 - 1788 marr. 1802 Callander Archibald Buchanan** Stewart Catherine** b 1787 Lendrick Callander d/o Donald Stewart & Margaret McKinlay Stewart Catherine** b 1819 Callander d/o Alexander Stewart & Kathrine McNaughtan;; married Thomas Leckie 1842 Denny Stirlingshire Stewart Catherine b 1825 Callander Per. d/o John Stewart & Mary Stewart;; marr. 1845 Killin Per. James McCaul or McColl Stewart Catherine b 1862 Tarndrum Callander d/o Peter Stewart & Elizabeth Stewart;; marr. 1879 Callander William Dow Stewart Catherine** b 1864 Callander d/o Duncan Stewart & Janet Ferguson;; Marr?? McGregor? Stewart Catherine Margaret** b 1909 Auchinglen d 1954 Dundee Angus d/o Samuel Stewart & Catherine Carmichael Stewart Charles** b 1816 Callander s/o Alexander Stewart & Christian Stewart;; marr 1860 Balquhidder, Marjory Stewart d/o Peter Stewart & Jane McGregor Christian Stewarts are next posting regards Malcolm

Alison, 1851 Alyth Census Bk 6, Pge 31, Sch 159 Forename, Age, Place of Birth George, 41, ANS Glammise Helen, 40, ANS Glammise Margaret, 11, ANS Auchterhouse Ann, 5, PER Bendochy John, 3, PER Alyth Alexander, 1, PER Alyth Although there are two other Paton families, and a few Paton individuals, there is no sign as far as I can see of a George related to the above George and Helen. Hope this helps. Bill

I have the MI that you mention. It is Kerrowmore. Notes from MI Book: This small walled burial ground is at the end of a cart track east of the farm of Kerrowmore, east of Bridge of Balgie in Glen Lyon. All inscriptions are listed from a survey made in September 1973 with the the the help of Angus Mitchell. If you let me know who you're looking for, I'll have a look, quite a few McNAUGHTON's mentioned. Regards Heather Thank you Heather! Here's what I know............my line is with an asterick - would like any info on anyone here though! 1. unk MacNaughtan * 2. Coline MacNaughtan b ? *John MacNaughtan b abt 1675 Dalchonzie marr Janet Carmichael (Janet b in Findhuglen, b unk) 3. Duncan MacNaughtan b. 1699 *John MacNaughtan b 1701 Dalchonzie marr Janet McIlchonnel in abt 1726 (dau of John McIlchonnel & Katherine Dochardach) 4.* Duncan MacNaughtan b 2 Jan 1726 Dalchonzie marr Margaret Fergusson Patrick MacNaughtan b 1728 John MacNaughtan b. 1729 Malcolm MacNaughtan b. abt 1730 Monzie Colline MacNaughtan b. 9 Dec 1733 Monzie 5.*Finlay MacNaughtan b. 14 April 1751 Dalchiorlich, Glen Lyon marr Jean McDiarmid 17 Mar 1776 (dau of John McDiarmid & Grisel MacNaughtan) Jean b 22 June 1760 in Dunan, Argyll Christian MacNaughtan b unk,at Dalchiorlich, Glen Lyon William MacNaughtan b unk, at Dalchiorlich, Glen Lyon Margaret MacNaughtan b. abt 18 June 1754 at Dalchiorlich, G L 6. *Margaret (Peggy) MacNaughtan b 19 Jan 1777 marr *Malcolm MacNaughtan 22 Jan 1797 in Fortingall (son of *John MacNaughtan & Isobel McCallum, b 1768) note: Peggy & Malcolm are cousins; the spelling changes in this family to MacNaughton in the children and they emigrate to Ontario, CAN. I have no records of anyone else going to Ontario. If it turns out that most are buried there - and it's too much to write - maybe info on how to get the MI list. Thanks again, Peggy in New Hampshire

Lawrence, I do believe it is a genetic trait My husband can do it, as can my son but neither myself nor my daughter can My husband has no known Scots blood Regards Pat Stedman Brisbane, Australia ******************************************** One-name study of Keillor/Keillar/Keiller etc http://www.users.bigpond.com/kiellor/index.htm and for Clutton families http://www.geocities.com/p_stedman/Index.htm ******************************************** -----Original Message----- From: Allamalis@aol.com [mailto:Allamalis@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:09 PM To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [PERTH] Tongue In Cheek All this talk about hammertoes and squint pinkies. May I add to the questioning with another potential genetic connection? I make this comment as a very much tongue in cheek remark !! My wife Margaret (a Henderson from Morayshire) and two of our children can roll up the sides of their tongues. Me - an Allan from Perth and our other two children cannot do this. Is this skill in rolling up of the tongues something which is passed on through the genes? You either have it or you don't. I must check this out with my grandchildren, sons-in-law and daughters-in-law to see what they have inherited. You don't believe me and think this is rubbish? Try it yourself and compare with other members of your family. Slainte Lawrence Allan Tain, Ross-shire ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== Footer: The Perthshire Mailing List is for the exchange of genealogical and historical information about the Perthshire area of Scotland. http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html

I' was told that breast-fed babies can curl their tongues whereas bottle-fed babies can't. My mother fed me herself and I can curl my tongue, so there you go that theory is proved 100% (?!) Tina ----- Original Message ----- From: "Douglas J Clark" <djclark@netactive.co.za> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [PERTH] Tongue In Cheek > Yes "tongue curling" is one of the genetic factors referred to in > basic psychology lecturers when it is explained that a person is a "product" > of their "hereditary and environmental factors". > Douglas > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <Allamalis@aol.com> > To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:09 AM > Subject: [PERTH] Tongue In Cheek > > All this talk about hammertoes and squint pinkies. May I add to the > > questioning with another potential genetic connection? > > > > I make this comment as a very much tongue in cheek remark !! > > > > My wife Margaret (a Henderson from Morayshire) and two of our children > > can roll up the sides of their tongues. Me - an Allan from Perth > > and our other two children cannot do this. Is this skill in rolling up > > of the tongues something which is passed on through the genes? You > > either have it or you don't. > > > > I must check this out with my grandchildren, sons-in-law and > > daughters-in-law to see what they have inherited. > > > > You don't believe me and think this is rubbish? Try it yourself and > > compare with other members of your family. > > > > Slainte Lawrence Allan > > Tain, Ross-shire

Hello All Yes "tongue curling" is one of the genetic factors referred to in basic psychology lecturers when it is explained that a person is a "product" of their "hereditary and environmental factors". Douglas ----- Original Message ----- From: <Allamalis@aol.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 10:09 AM Subject: [PERTH] Tongue In Cheek > All this talk about hammertoes and squint pinkies. May I add to the > questioning with another potential genetic connection? > > I make this comment as a very much tongue in cheek remark !! > > My wife Margaret (a Henderson from Morayshire) and two of our children can > roll up the sides of their tongues. Me - an Allan from Perth and our other two > children cannot do this. Is this skill in rolling up of the tongues > something which is passed on through the genes? You either have it or you don't. > > I must check this out with my grandchildren, sons-in-law and daughters-in-law > to see what they have inherited. > > You don't believe me and think this is rubbish? Try it yourself and compare > with other members of your family. > > > Slainte Lawrence Allan > Tain, Ross-shire > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > Footer: The Perthshire Mailing List is for the exchange of genealogical and historical information about the Perthshire area of Scotland. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > >

Barbara. we have had difficulty in deciphering names on certificates. We have found if you look closely at all the writing on certificate you can sometimes match up letters more clearly from elsewhere on the sheet. If you still have difficulties try to check the census for that time, the writing may be different and more legible . You can always contact Scotland's People by email they are very helpful. Yours Caroline

Hi, Your next item, would he to see if he survived past 1855 & buy his death certificate, where, hopefully, the informant knew Peter's parent's names. This is your next line of proof. Bonnie B. Subject: Re: 1851 Census Indices held Thanks Heather! This is my Small's. How can I get more information from this index you reference? From my records I show Peter is within two years of 67 in 1851. His second wife was Isabel Rattray and from what I have they had three daughters, one of which was Isabella Rattray Small. His son (via Betty Rodgers) is William Small who was born in Longforgan on 02 Mar 1819. He was christened on 04 Apr 1819 at Long Gorgan, Perthshire, Scotland. This is my direct line. Now, I need further information regarding Patrick Peter Small and his ancestry... anyone have any advice, connection, or help? Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan heather j WILLIAMS wrote: >Hello Jim >There are no "Smalls" in Clunie, however I believe that this may be your family in Longforgan: - > >LONGFORGAN 1851 INDEX > >Book 1 Schedule No. 49 >SMALL >Peter 67 Perthshire Clunie >Isabell 51 " Inchture >Isabell 25 " Longforgan > > >Happy hunting >Heather J Williams > > ______________________________

All this talk about hammertoes and squint pinkies. May I add to the questioning with another potential genetic connection? I make this comment as a very much tongue in cheek remark !! My wife Margaret (a Henderson from Morayshire) and two of our children can roll up the sides of their tongues. Me - an Allan from Perth and our other two children cannot do this. Is this skill in rolling up of the tongues something which is passed on through the genes? You either have it or you don't. I must check this out with my grandchildren, sons-in-law and daughters-in-law to see what they have inherited. You don't believe me and think this is rubbish? Try it yourself and compare with other members of your family. Slainte Lawrence Allan Tain, Ross-shire

Barb - I have some people from near Comrie who were born in Dundurin - does that seem likely? Regards - Glen C. Bodie Web http://www.glenbodie.com Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com -----Original Message----- From: Barbara Black [mailto:barbarablack@blueyonder.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 2:10 PM To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Name near Comrie difficult to read Hi Listers I hope someone can help me. I have just paid to view on Scotland's people the record of DONALD FISHER's birth in 1856 in Parish of Comrie at - and it looks like DUSHURIN or DUCHURIN or OUCHURIN (ouch indeed) or anybody's guess!! Any suggestions? I have also viewed his sister's birth but the place is no clearer. Thank you Barbara ______________________________

Kathleen Ogg-Moss wrote: >Jim, > >I notice a Rattray in your line. Have you ever come across a William >Rattray married to Ellen Gregor? > >Kathleen > Kathleen- The extent of my RATTRAY connection is rather limited. Only a couple appear and are included below. Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan Descendants of John Small 1 John SMALL b: Abt. 1690 in Scotland .... 2 John SMALL, Jr b: in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland ........ +Grace DUNCAN b: 1760 d: Unknown .......... 3 Mary SMALL b: 02 Jan 1774 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: Unknown in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland .............. +Henry FLOOD m: 04 Nov 1796 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland .......... 3 Jean SMALL b: 13 Nov 1775 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: Unknown in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland .......... 3 Patrick Peter SMALL b: 30 Jan 1782 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: 28 Dec 1866 in Mill Hill Farm, Perthshire, Scotland .............. +Betty RODGERS b: 24 Aug 1802 in Liff, Forfarshire, Scotland d: Nov 1823 in Kingoudie (Dargie), Perthshire, Scotland ................. 4 William SMALL b: 02 Mar 1819 in Longforgan, Perthshire, Scotland d: 25 Jun 1899 in Shade Township, Somerset County, PA ..................... +Adaline LAMBERT b: 21 Oct 1830 in Buckstown, Somerset County, PA m: 1845 in Reels Corner, Somerset County, PA d: 28 Mar 1877 in Shade Township, Somerset County, PA .......... *2nd Wife of Patrick Peter SMALL: .............. +Isabel RATTRAY b: Abt. 1800 ................. 4 Ann Augusta SMALL ..................... +John MCLAREN ................. 4 Isabella Rattray SMALL b: Abt. 1826 ................. 4 SMALL .... 2 Margaret SMALL b: Bef. 07 Oct 1751 in Clunie, Perthshire, Scotland d: Unknown

Thanks, Bonnie. My records indicate he died 28 Dec 1866, so I've got a shot. Where would I buy his death certificate? Thanks, Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan Yvonne Bean wrote: >Hi, > >Your next item, would he to see if he survived past 1855 & buy his death >certificate, where, hopefully, the informant knew Peter's parent's names. >This is your next line of proof. > >Bonnie B. > >Subject: Re: 1851 Census Indices held > >Thanks Heather! This is my Small's. How can I get more information >from this index you reference? > > From my records I show Peter is within two years of 67 in 1851. His >second wife was Isabel Rattray and from what I have they had three >daughters, one of which was Isabella Rattray Small. > >His son (via Betty Rodgers) is William Small who was born in Longforgan >on 02 Mar 1819. He was christened on 04 Apr 1819 at Long Gorgan, >Perthshire, Scotland. This is my direct line. > >Now, I need further information regarding Patrick Peter Small and his >ancestry... anyone have any advice, connection, or help? > >Jim Small >http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan > > >heather j WILLIAMS wrote: > > > >>Hello Jim >>There are no "Smalls" in Clunie, however I believe that this may be your >> >> >family in Longforgan: - > > >>LONGFORGAN 1851 INDEX >> >>Book 1 Schedule No. 49 >>SMALL >>Peter 67 Perthshire Clunie >>Isabell 51 " Inchture >>Isabell 25 " Longforgan >> >> >>Happy hunting >>Heather J Williams >> >> >> >> > >______________________________ > > > >

Hi list, If anyone out there has a copy of the 1851 Alyth census index published by the Tay Valley FHS, I would really, really appreciate a lookup for a George and Helen Paton, with children who included Margaret, George, Anne, John and Alexander (b. 1850). Thanks in advance, Alison Spring East Kilbride Lanarkshire _________________________________________________________________ Use MSN Messenger to send music and pics to your friends http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger

Msc1434@aol.com wrote: >Jim, don't know if this will help, but there is a farm called Mill Hill about 3 or 4 miles north west of Longforgan. > >Regards, Dorothy (Longforgan) > Thanks Dorothy! I am descended from Patrick Peter Small who my records indicate died on 28 Dec 1866 at Mill Hill Farm, Perthshire, Scotland. Is there a cemetary of any sorts there, is this an actual farm or just a village named such? I also know Patrick Peter Small was a coachman to the Laird at Huntly Castle before he established his pub in that area. I have been told that John Small (Patrick's father) had two older brothers, Peter Small and Patrick Small, who were killed at Culloden, in which John would have been too young to participate; thus, when he had a son, he named him with the oddly Papist Peter Patrick cognomens, quite an unusual name for someone almost certainly a member of the Episcopal Church of Scotland. Any help with connections to this family would be appreciated. Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan

Thanks Heather! This is my Small's. How can I get more information from this index you reference? From my records I show Peter is within two years of 67 in 1851. His second wife was Isabel Rattray and from what I have they had three daughters, one of which was Isabella Rattray Small. His son (via Betty Rodgers) is William Small who was born in Longforgan on 02 Mar 1819. He was christened on 04 Apr 1819 at Long Gorgan, Perthshire, Scotland. This is my direct line. Now, I need further information regarding Patrick Peter Small and his ancestry... anyone have any advice, connection, or help? Jim Small http://www.angelfire.com/ia/smallclan heather j WILLIAMS wrote: >Hello Jim >There are no "Smalls" in Clunie, however I believe that this may be your family in Longforgan: - > >LONGFORGAN 1851 INDEX > >Book 1 Schedule No. 49 >SMALL >Peter 67 Perthshire Clunie >Isabell 51 " Inchture >Isabell 25 " Longforgan > > >Happy hunting >Heather J Williams > >

I have the pre-1855 monumental inscriptions for East Perthshire, and notice that (some?) post-1855 MIs are listed. Can anybody check in the book covering Logiealmond Parish (North West??) whether there is an inscription for: Elizabeth Grant GRAY d. 2 May 1870 aged 16 years? She was the sister of the Free Church Minister of Logiealmond, William Alexander Gray (my gt-grandfather) Many thanks, Sara (Cardiff)

Hi Listers I hope someone can help me. I have just paid to view on Scotland's people the record of DONALD FISHER's birth in 1856 in Parish of Comrie at - and it looks like DUSHURIN or DUCHURIN or OUCHURIN (ouch indeed) or anybody's guess!! Any suggestions? I have also viewed his sister's birth but the place is no clearer. Thank you Barbara

Hi Malcolm I have a stray Margaret McNaughton in my family. Family story goes that she was adopted by James and Janet Roy of Auchterarder. No one knows how Margaret came to live with the family. It must have been after 1901 as she is not with the family at census time. Just wondering if there was a connection. Ross Clayton Brisbane, Australia

Bridgend is part of Callander Locate the Main Street and look for the road to Aberfoyle where it crosses the Bridge. The community on the far side of the bridge is Bridgend Regards Tony http://www.tmurray.stirling.co.uk