Is anyone out there having trouble getting on the Scottish Documents site? I was able to get good results last week, but this week can't even get the site. Sheila in Missouri

Hello I am new to the list having only recently established that my 2x great grandfather Peter BRUCE was born in Perth in 1833. I now have a copy of his marriage certificate which shows me that his father was George BRUCE, occupation millwright. I have found George BRUCE's Will online and this gave his address as Barrack Street, Perth in 1873. I would be grateful for any help in tracing his family, I think that George may have married a Helen MATHER. If there is anyone with access to the census data from 1851-1871 could do a look-up in Barrack Street, Perth for me I would be very grateful. Many thanks Dorothy Middlewich, Cheshire

Hello Perthshire researchers: My interest is the Fisher surname. I would like to request a lookup if anyone has access to the 1841 census. In Tibbermore, John Fisher and Margaret Robertson. They were married around 1817. Thank you very much. Ruth __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail is new and improved - Check it out! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail

Hello, John Cameron was the son of John Cameron and Jean McNiven in Easter Bow of Kilbride. He had at least one brother, Alexander, born 17 May 1786 at Easter Bow. John Cameron, born 1771, married Margaret McMartin some time after 22 Dec 18911, when they were proclaimed at Dunblane. John died at Easter Bow on 16 Apr 1832 and is buried in Kilbride Churchyard beside his wife, who died 05 Apr 1844. Their children were:- 1). John Cameron born 26 Nov 1809. Died before 1814. 2). Janet Cameron born 28 Oct 1812. Married Matthew Lennox (born 11 Sep 185) after 27 May 1854. Janet died 19 Jul 1902, at Powblack, Kilmadock. Matthew Lennox died there 01 Aug 1894. They had a daughter Margaret Lennox born 5 Jul 1857, who married John Murray from Munnieston, Kilmadock. They had a son, James born 1879. 3). John Cameron, born 9 Jul 1814. Died 6 Feb 1901. He married Janet Dewar, born 1825 at Kilmadock, died 22 Oct 1877. They had eight children. a) John born 8 Mar 1855. b) Alexander born 17 Feb 1856. c) Elizabeth born 14 Jan 1858. d) Margaret born 1 Sep 1860. e) Duncan born 17 Aug 1862. f) Janet born 11 Oct 1864. g) Jean Dewar born 24 Feb 1867. h) Donald born 22 Apr 1869. 4). Duncan Cameron born 26 Aug 1816. Died single 24 Nov 1891 at Powblack, Kilmadock. Dave Stirling I am looking for details, parents, siblings etc of John CAMERON b c 1771 Easter Bow of Dunblane > > John married Mary or Margaret MACMARTIN december 1811 at Dunblane & had 5 known children

Judith, Thanks for the info. That is interesting, because on the birth record of Peter it first had Patrick which had been scratched out. Marilyn _________________________________________________________________ MSN 9 Dial-up Internet Access helps fight spam and pop-ups – now 2 months FREE! http://join.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200361ave/direct/01/

Does anyone know of the family of Peter Fisher who married Mary Anderson? I think they were both born in Killin, Perth, Scotland. The only marriage I have found for a Peter Fisher and Mary Anderson was in Barony, Lanark, Scotland 27 MAR 1805. I am not sure if this is the correct marriage. It was listed as an irregular marriage. What does that mean? A previous family researcher has him listed as born 8 SEPT 1776, the son of Duncan Fisher and Margaret Galloway. She was supposededly born 8 JULY 1790 to Katherine Anderson and John McNicol. I have found these records in the OPR but I don't know how to relate them or to verify they are the same ones I am looking for. As we are planning a trip to Scotland in August, I would very much appreciate any direction or help that is available. If you know of siblings families of these two, I would love to hear from them. Thanks, Marilyn _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

Can someone help with my queries about the occupation of a "carrier" travelling from Crainlarich (Perthshire) to Glasgow during the early 1800's. (a) Would a covered wagon drawn by horses have been used, or something like a stagecoach? (b) Would there be any directories showing details of carriers on this route for those early years. Any information would be appreciated.

Hi Listers I'm new to the list having only recently discovered that my THOMSON ancestors hailed from Perth. Does anyone know any more information relating to any of the following people. I'd also love to hear from any of their descendants too. [ Though if I heard from their ancestors I'd really start to worry!! :-P) ] James THOMSON (d. before 1870) married Mary DONALDSON on 7 Jun 1833 in Perth Perthshire SCT. He was a Tailor and they are my 4G Grandparents. They had the following children: 1. Janet THOMSON (b. 28 Apr 1834 at Herment Street Coust(?) Church Perth SCT : bap. 4 May 1834 at St Pauls Church Perth SCT : d. 2 May 1907 at Salisbury South Australia) She married Joseph LAWS possibly in Aberdeen as their first child was born in St Nicholas Aberdeen. They are my 3G Grandparents. 2. Mary Ann THOMSON (b. 18 Apr 1836 : bap. 24 Apr 1836) 3. Walter THOMSON (b. 31 May 1838 : bap. 10 Jun 1838 : d. 28 Jun 1870 at 18 Watergate Perth SCT). He was a Teacher and married Melose(?) LAUDER 4. James THOMSON (b. 2 Jan 1841 : bap. 24 Jan 1841) 5. David THOMSON (b. 18 May 1843 : bap. 27 Map 1843) 6. Charles THOMSON (b. 20 Jan 1846 : bap.15 Feb 1846 ) Natalie Witt ------------------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Surname Interests: Eng: BAILEY, BATTERSBY, LAWS | Ire: HOGAN, RYAN | Channel Is: BREE | Scot: DONALDSON, FALCONER (FALKNER), LYALL, THOMSON | Eng & Channel Is: GRAFTON, TRENCHARD , WITT | & many of these in Australia

Thank you very much for clearing up that and explaining the circumstances. This helps me greatly as I had conflicting information and a search in the atlas only confounded the issue. Now I know they hadn't moved a great distance for some reason but stayed in their local area to get married. Many thanks. Lynette Begg P.O. Box 289 East Maitland NSW 2323 Australia BROBBEL One Name Study - brobbel@one-name.org <mailto:brobbel@one-name.org> Guild member 4139 researching all BROBBELs and their descendants at any time, anywhere, any place. I recommend Marbract Services for NSW BDM Transcriptions Phone: +61 2 9543 8156 Fax: +61 2 9541 1246 E-mail: marilynr@australis.net.au <mailto:marilynr@australis.net.au> Home Page: http://www.marbract.com.au <http://www.marbract.com.au/> with SECURE Online Ordering -----Original Message----- From: John Chalmers [mailto:john@dgnscrn.demon.co.uk] Sent: Sunday, 11 July 2004 7:46 AM To: Lynette Begg Cc: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: New member - PATERSON/PATTERSON and SUTHERLAND In message <MHEBLJOKHHHADCMGMJHFAEOBCLAA.dandlbegg@optusnet.com.au>, Lynette Begg <dandlbegg@optusnet.com.au> writes > >I am researching my 4 x great grandparents Daniel SUTHERLAND born about 1763 >and Jean PATERSON or PATTERSON born 1761, both from Torryburn Fife. Being >an Aussie, I would appreciate clarification as to whether the Parish of >Culross, County of Perthshire in 1787 is the same as the Torryburn area of >Fife in today's Scotland. Culross is both a town and parish. The town lies on the banks of the River Forth in Fife. The reason for the confusion is that the parish came under the control of the church diocese of Perth - even though geographically and politically it lay in Fife - and quite separate from "The County of Perth". Having said that it would be worth checking both Fife and Perthshire records - see: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/FIF/parishes/Culross/ >I have a marriage for them registered as being in >Torryburn and Culross. I would appreciate any clarification on this from >anyone please. > >Many thanks in advance, -- John Gibson Chalmers - john@dgnscrn.demon.co.uk ... also at john.chalmers@us.abb.com Homepages ... http://www.dgnscrn.demon.co.uk/ and ... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~chalmers/

North Perthshire Family History Group are having their Exhibition and Workshop again in Moulin Church, Pitlochry from Tuesday 27th July to Sunday 22nd August every day from 10am to 4pm We have some new research material pertaining to the area and hope to be open at weekends this year We are also holding a Coffee Morning on Saturday 18th September at the Tryst Meeting Rooms, Pitlochry Church of Scotland from 10 to 12 where we will again have a Family History items on view If you can manage, hope to see you there Kay

> I am looking for details, parents, siblings etc of John CAMERON b c 1771 Easter Bow of Dunblane > John married Mary or Margaret MACMARTIN december 1811 at Dunblane & had 5 known children > > anyone out there researching this family Hello, I am seeking any relation to Archibald Cameron who was uncle to my ancestor, Alexander McDonald, b. March 1807, Logierait, Perthshire. Alexander graduated from the Royal College of Surgeons in Edinburgh about 1830 and arrived in New York, USA by 1832 to be apprenticed to his uncle, Archibald Cameron, a surgeon. Any chance that John was related to an Archibald who went to New York? Regards, Terri McDonald Hauk t.hauk@comcast.net California, USA

Georgw BARCLAY b 21 Mar 1730/31 nothing else known married 6 June 1769 Perth Perthshire Mary KETTLE no info on her; children:- 1] John, b 20 May 1770 Abernathy Per. 2] Helen b 1 Jul 1772 Abernethy Per. d 6 Oct 1806 Doune, married 11 Dec. 1795 Kilmadock John MCRUER b 1769 Doune, d 18 Oct 1840 Doune, seven Children 3] Andrew b 19 Mar 1775 Abernethy Per 4] William b 29 Oct 1780 Abernathy Per 5] Thomas b 19 Jul 1783 Abernathy Per Looking for information and descendants regards Malcolm

Looking for information on this family John BALFOUR b c 1700 Callander Parish nfi Married 24 Nov 1726 In Callander Janet MCLERAN b c 1705 in Callander; known children are:- 1] Sybilla Chr. 4 Oct 1727 in Callander 2] Jean Chr. 29 Mar 1731 in Callander; Married 26 Jun 1752 in Callander Alexander DEWAR, b c 1730 severie Kilmadock, 3 known children 3] William Chr 16 Jan 1733/34 in Callander 4] John Chr 13 Dec 1737 Callander 5] Janet Chr 15 Nov 1741 Callander 6] James chr 11 Aug 1745 Callander Looking for descendants regards Malcolm Australia

Thank you very much Margaret. That was the only conclusion I could arrive at unless they moved a very long way. Thanks for your help. Lynette Begg P.O. Box 289 East Maitland NSW 2323 Australia BROBBEL One Name Study - brobbel@one-name.org <mailto:brobbel@one-name.org> Guild member 4139 researching all BROBBELs and their descendants at any time, anywhere, any place. I recommend Marbract Services for NSW BDM Transcriptions Phone: +61 2 9543 8156 Fax: +61 2 9541 1246 E-mail: marilynr@australis.net.au <mailto:marilynr@australis.net.au> Home Page: http://www.marbract.com.au <http://www.marbract.com.au/> with SECURE Online Ordering -----Original Message----- From: Margaret ODonnell [mailto:MargaretVB@modonnell62.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Saturday, 10 July 2004 8:25 PM To: dandlbegg@optusnet.com.au Subject: Re: [PERTH] New member - PATERSON/PATTERSON and SUTHERLAND Hello Lynette, You are correct - Torryburn is just on the outskirts of Culross you can walk from one to the other. Kind Regards Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynette Begg" <dandlbegg@optusnet.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 10:41 PM Subject: [PERTH] New member - PATERSON/PATTERSON and SUTHERLAND > Hello I'm new to the list and been waiting for RootsWeb to get organised for > my subscription to come through. > > I am researching my 4 x great grandparents Daniel SUTHERLAND born about 1763 > and Jean PATERSON or PATTERSON born 1761, both from Torryburn Fife. Being > an Aussie, I would appreciate clarification as to whether the Parish of > Culross, County of Perthshire in 1787 is the same as the Torryburn area of > Fife in today's Scotland. I have a marriage for them registered as being in > Torryburn and Culross. I would appreciate any clarification on this from > anyone please. > > Many thanks in advance, > > Lynette Begg > P.O. Box 289 > East Maitland NSW 2323 > Australia > > BROBBEL One Name Study - brobbel@one-name.org <mailto:brobbel@one-name.org> > Guild member 4139 researching all BROBBELs and their descendants at any > time, anywhere, any place. > > I recommend Marbract Services for NSW BDM Transcriptions > Phone: +61 2 9543 8156 > Fax: +61 2 9541 1246 > E-mail: marilynr@australis.net.au <mailto:marilynr@australis.net.au> > Home Page: http://www.marbract.com.au <http://www.marbract.com.au/> with > SECURE Online Ordering > > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > Send all messages to PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > ONLY use the 'request' address to > subscribe or to unsubscribe from the list. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- >

Re: - I just arrived on the list. I am researching McKay at Blairgowrie. I would very much appreciate a look up for Daniel McKay and wife Catherine. Also, for Richard McKay and his wife Sarah. Catherine I have the Index of Blairgowrie for 1851 and believe that I have found your McKay family. However, the wife of Daniel "appears" to be Fanny and the wife of Richard appears to be called Sally. I have taken the liberty of putting another "McKay" who also appears to come from Ireland. Remember this is an index only and to get the relationships and occupation + address you will need to have sight of the original census. Regards Heather J Blairgowrie 1851 Census Index McKay Book 6/1 Page 34 Sch. No. 146 Richard 40 Ireland Armah Sally 42 " " Margaret 16 " " Sally 14 " " Phillip 12 " " Betsy 10 " " Nanse 8 " " Mary 6 " " Peter 4 " " Richard 2 " " McKay Book 6/1 Page 35 Sch. No. 146 Same House - Different family Daniel 20 Ireland Armah Fanny 21 " " Daniel 9 months Perth Blairgowrie Looks as if the family emigrated from Ireland c1849-1850 McKay Book 5/1 Page 33 Sch. No. 156 Richard 24 Ireland Nothing stated Barnet 16 " " Bridget 13 " "

In message <MHEBLJOKHHHADCMGMJHFAEOBCLAA.dandlbegg@optusnet.com.au>, Lynette Begg <dandlbegg@optusnet.com.au> writes > >I am researching my 4 x great grandparents Daniel SUTHERLAND born about 1763 >and Jean PATERSON or PATTERSON born 1761, both from Torryburn Fife. Being >an Aussie, I would appreciate clarification as to whether the Parish of >Culross, County of Perthshire in 1787 is the same as the Torryburn area of >Fife in today's Scotland. Culross is both a town and parish. The town lies on the banks of the River Forth in Fife. The reason for the confusion is that the parish came under the control of the church diocese of Perth - even though geographically and politically it lay in Fife - and quite separate from "The County of Perth". Having said that it would be worth checking both Fife and Perthshire records - see: http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/sct/FIF/parishes/Culross/ >I have a marriage for them registered as being in >Torryburn and Culross. I would appreciate any clarification on this from >anyone please. > >Many thanks in advance, -- John Gibson Chalmers - john@dgnscrn.demon.co.uk ... also at john.chalmers@us.abb.com Homepages ... http://www.dgnscrn.demon.co.uk/ and ... http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~chalmers/

Hello Listers! I'm looking at an 1894 marriage cert. for one of my folks. In the area where the bride's parents' names and occupations are recorded her father is listed as John Watson, Draper and then there's a notation in parenthesis that says "reputed" and then finally deceased. The mother's name is listed as Ann Hendry, Housekeeper. No maiden surname listed. Might one assume (knowing how dangerous that can be!) that the parents never married and the father either died while the bride was still very young or, more likely, just he "flew the coop," so to speak? Or am I misinterpreting the meaning behind the "reputed" notation? All opinions/interpretations welcome! Many thanks! Bye for now, Karen ksteel@optonline.net www.geocities.com/ksteel.geo My Genealogy Homepage "A room without books is like a body without a soul."-Cicero

The index to burials is available on both the Friends of Dundee City Archives site ( http://www.fdca.org.uk/ - very large browsable files) and on the Tay Valley Family History Society site ( http://www.tayvalleyfhs.org.uk/resources/howff.shtml - searchable by surname, forename and place of birth) ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ian Mackie" <mackiei@alphalink.com.au> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 12:49 AM Subject: Dundee Howff Inscription Index > http://www.geocities.com/dundee_howff/main.htm > produces a message > This GeoCities site has been deactivated due to inactivity. > > A google search found > http://www.dundee-howff.info/ > which has an index of surnames and numbers of relevant stones. No given > names in the index so all stones have to be viewed in searching for an > individual. > eg Kidd has 9 stones, none of which are for William Kidd & Agnes > Rattray. Both are buried at the Howff. Not unusual of course to lack a > stone. > > Is there another www site that has an index including full names?? > > ______________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.716 / Virus Database: 472 - Release Date: 05/07/2004

Hello I'm new to the list and been waiting for RootsWeb to get organised for my subscription to come through. I am researching my 4 x great grandparents Daniel SUTHERLAND born about 1763 and Jean PATERSON or PATTERSON born 1761, both from Torryburn Fife. Being an Aussie, I would appreciate clarification as to whether the Parish of Culross, County of Perthshire in 1787 is the same as the Torryburn area of Fife in today's Scotland. I have a marriage for them registered as being in Torryburn and Culross. I would appreciate any clarification on this from anyone please. Many thanks in advance, Lynette Begg P.O. Box 289 East Maitland NSW 2323 Australia BROBBEL One Name Study - brobbel@one-name.org <mailto:brobbel@one-name.org> Guild member 4139 researching all BROBBELs and their descendants at any time, anywhere, any place. I recommend Marbract Services for NSW BDM Transcriptions Phone: +61 2 9543 8156 Fax: +61 2 9541 1246 E-mail: marilynr@australis.net.au <mailto:marilynr@australis.net.au> Home Page: http://www.marbract.com.au <http://www.marbract.com.au/> with SECURE Online Ordering

Hi Malcolm, read you were researching the name McAree and wondered in which area. My grandfather was Joseph McAree, who came from "somewhere" in Ireland, born to John McAree and Sarah Reilly, c.1874. Unfortunately that's all the information I have regarding his birth. Regards, Dorothy (Longforgan)