GRANT: I noted that you help with the "down under" mariners' lists. Anything on the SS Moeraki? My grandfather was ship's steward and we have been unable to uncover whatever happened to him. KEITH On 16-Jul-04, at 2:01 PM, PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > > > PERTHSHIRE-D Digest Volume 04 : Issue 135 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: Shipping Scotland to New Zeala ["Grant E. L. Buttars" > <GButtars@ta] > #2 Re: [PERTH] Re: Shipping Scotland [James Irvine Robertson > <jamesir@on] > > Administrivia: > TO SEND MESSAGES TO THE LIST PLEASE USE THE ADDRESS BELOW > > PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > TO UNSUBSCRIBE send a message to > > PERTHSHIRE-D-request@rootsweb.com > > with ONLY the word UNSUBSCRIBE > > in the subject line and as the message. > > THE EMAIL ADDRESS YOU SEND FROM WILL BE UNSUBSCRIBED. > > It is imperative that you have some type of antivirus software > installed, running and up to date on your computer. > > Rootsweb does not allow html coding or attachments to go through the > mailing lists. Please set your email to only send Plain Text to the > list. > > Contact the list manager at PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > ______________________________ > > > From: "Grant E. L. Buttars" <GButtars@taybank.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: July 15, 2004 1:52:01 PM EDT > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: Shipping Scotland to New Zealand. > > >>> If any of you are looking for ancestors leaving NZ and coming to > Australia >>> in the mid to late 1800's try oz mariners site. I help do the lists >>> for >>> this site and we have quite a few ships from Dunedin and Auckland to >>> Sydney. Address is http://www.mariners.records.nsw.gov.au > > I think this should be http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ > > Regards, > ============== > Grant E. L. Buttars > Dundee, Scotland > http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ > > ______________________________ > > > From: James Irvine Robertson <jamesir@onetel.com> > Date: July 15, 2004 3:33:32 AM EDT > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [PERTH] Re: Shipping Scotland to New Zealand. > > > This is an extract from a 2,500 word letter which may be of interest. > The > writer, Dr CA McDiarmid, returned to Scotland where he practiced > medecine. > > Melbourne, Port Phillip, April 14th 1840 > My Dear Alexr, I know not how I am to acquaint you of the melancholy > loss > which I have sustained since I came on board & the misfortune to lose > - It > is with feelings of heartfelt pain and deep loss that I have to inform > you > that God has seen proper to take my beloved Clementina to himself. She > died > on the 23rd of January after an illness of five weeks & 4 days about > 1,000 > miles to the westward of the Cape of Good Hope. The immediate cause of > her > death was Cramps in the stomach...I have lost one whom I valued more > than > life itself...The Tomatin goes from here to China & will not likely be > home > for 6 or 7 months. We were as comfortable on board as it were possible > when > aboard ship. The captain was very kind to poor Clementina and did all > in his > power to make her comfortable. He and all the cabin passengers felt her > death very much and I may say all on board. Our cabin passengers were > very > agreeable & we were all very happy together till God saw proper to > make a > break in our little circle. There was a great deal of sickness amongst > the > passengers, They brought both smallpox and measles on board the both of > which broke out about 12 days after we left Campbelltown, They got the > smallpox at Greenock and the measles at Fort William, 8 children & 4 & > adults died of both diseases & 4 children who died got over the > enraptured > stages very well but were either carried off by secondary fever or > dysentery. Were it not that the diseases were brought on board we > would not > have had more than 4 deaths among the passengers & these 4 were > children who > were sickly when they came on board. There were no births. It is a sad > thing > to treat infectious diseases on board, especially under the line. We > arrived > at Adelaide on the 9th March making a voyage of 120 days from > Campbeltown. > We left Adelaide on the 28th March and landed here on the 8th April, > Adelaide is a wretched place... The Glen?lly arrived here yesterday > with > emigrants from Greenock, she is obliged to serve quarantine in > consequence > of having fever on board. PS I forgot to mention that the servant we > engaged > at Greenock turned out a black sheep, she was an excellent servant but > so > very drunken that we were obliged to turn her off about a fortnight > after > sailing. All the other single women on board were bad characters, so > we were > obliged to do without. > >> From: "Grant E. L. Buttars" <GButtars@taybank.freeserve.co.uk> >> Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:52:01 +0100 >> To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Subject: [PERTH] Re: Shipping Scotland to New Zealand. >> Resent-From: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >> Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:53:56 -0600 >> >>>> If any of you are looking for ancestors leaving NZ and coming to >> Australia >>>> in the mid to late 1800's try oz mariners site. I help do the lists >>>> for >>>> this site and we have quite a few ships from Dunedin and Auckland to >>>> Sydney. Address is http://www.mariners.records.nsw.gov.au >> >> I think this should be http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ >> >> Regards, >> ============== >> Grant E. L. Buttars >> Dundee, Scotland >> http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ >> >> >> ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== >> -------------------------------------------------- >> Remember to change the subject line to reflect >> YOUR message to the list. >> http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html >> -------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>

> > If any of you are looking for ancestors leaving NZ and coming to Australia > > in the mid to late 1800's try oz mariners site. I help do the lists for > > this site and we have quite a few ships from Dunedin and Auckland to > > Sydney. Address is http://www.mariners.records.nsw.gov.au I think this should be http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ Regards, ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/

I seem to be having trouble getting my messages thru. to the list. My apologies if this appears twice. I am looking for my elusive present day DINGWALL ancestors. I thought I was on the right trail when I found a death in the 1980's and then found the son still living at the same address on the online Scottish white pages. The letter I sent has just been returned marked "gone away". Is there anyone who could look in the Pitlochry, Ballinluig area phone book for a David Dingwall please. The address I had was 1 Buail-Bhan, Pitlochry.Perthshire, Ballinluig. Thanks, Annette Finnis Christchurch New Zealand

This is an extract from a 2,500 word letter which may be of interest. The writer, Dr CA McDiarmid, returned to Scotland where he practiced medecine. Melbourne, Port Phillip, April 14th 1840 My Dear Alexr, I know not how I am to acquaint you of the melancholy loss which I have sustained since I came on board & the misfortune to lose - It is with feelings of heartfelt pain and deep loss that I have to inform you that God has seen proper to take my beloved Clementina to himself. She died on the 23rd of January after an illness of five weeks & 4 days about 1,000 miles to the westward of the Cape of Good Hope. The immediate cause of her death was Cramps in the stomach...I have lost one whom I valued more than life itself...The Tomatin goes from here to China & will not likely be home for 6 or 7 months. We were as comfortable on board as it were possible when aboard ship. The captain was very kind to poor Clementina and did all in his power to make her comfortable. He and all the cabin passengers felt her death very much and I may say all on board. Our cabin passengers were very agreeable & we were all very happy together till God saw proper to make a break in our little circle. There was a great deal of sickness amongst the passengers, They brought both smallpox and measles on board the both of which broke out about 12 days after we left Campbelltown, They got the smallpox at Greenock and the measles at Fort William, 8 children & 4 & adults died of both diseases & 4 children who died got over the enraptured stages very well but were either carried off by secondary fever or dysentery. Were it not that the diseases were brought on board we would not have had more than 4 deaths among the passengers & these 4 were children who were sickly when they came on board. There were no births. It is a sad thing to treat infectious diseases on board, especially under the line. We arrived at Adelaide on the 9th March making a voyage of 120 days from Campbeltown. We left Adelaide on the 28th March and landed here on the 8th April, Adelaide is a wretched place... The Glen?lly arrived here yesterday with emigrants from Greenock, she is obliged to serve quarantine in consequence of having fever on board. PS I forgot to mention that the servant we engaged at Greenock turned out a black sheep, she was an excellent servant but so very drunken that we were obliged to turn her off about a fortnight after sailing. All the other single women on board were bad characters, so we were obliged to do without. > From: "Grant E. L. Buttars" <GButtars@taybank.freeserve.co.uk> > Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 18:52:01 +0100 > To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [PERTH] Re: Shipping Scotland to New Zealand. > Resent-From: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2004 11:53:56 -0600 > >>> If any of you are looking for ancestors leaving NZ and coming to > Australia >>> in the mid to late 1800's try oz mariners site. I help do the lists for >>> this site and we have quite a few ships from Dunedin and Auckland to >>> Sydney. Address is http://www.mariners.records.nsw.gov.au > > I think this should be http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ > > Regards, > ============== > Grant E. L. Buttars > Dundee, Scotland > http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ > > > ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== > -------------------------------------------------- > Remember to change the subject line to reflect > YOUR message to the list. > http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html > -------------------------------------------------- >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Barbara Farquharson" <blacksheep21@optusnet.com.au> To: <NEW-ZEALAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2004 11:58 PM Subject: [NZ] Shipping > --=======433B2D77======= > Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2F0D427B; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I had a shipping site on favorites and seem to have lost it. It had > passenger lists of ships from Scotland. I am looking for ship from > Scotland to New Zealand from 1865-68. Have no idea what ship I'm looking > for, but this site had a lot of ships on it going to NZ. > > If any of you are looking for ancestors leaving NZ and coming to Australia > in the mid to late 1800's try oz mariners site. I help do the lists for > this site and we have quite a few ships from Dunedin and Auckland to > Sydney. Address is http://www.mariners.records.nsw.gov.au > Thanks, > Barbara > > --=======433B2D77======= > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-2F0D427B > Content-Disposition: inline > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.714 / Virus Database: 470 - Release Date: 7/2/2004 > > --=======433B2D77=======-- > > > ==== NEW-ZEALAND Mailing List ==== > NZ Maritime Museum is at: > http://www.hmu.com/maritime_museum/about.html >

Hi Listers I too am interested in the Fisher surname. PETER FISHER was born in KILLIN in 1825, the son, so I thought from looking at the IGI and Scotland's People, of DUNCAN FISHER and MARGARET MCARTHUR BUT Peter's son DONALD states on his father's death certificate that PETER'S parents were ALEXANDER FISHER & CATHERINE MCFARLANE. I could find no evidence at the A& K Bell Library while on holiday in Perth, with the help of the wonderful archivist, that his parents were the latter 2. So do you think that the son had made a mistake? Does anyone have access to the 1841 KILLIN or CALLANDAR Census - Peter is in CALLANDAR in 1851. He would have been about 16 in 1841 and so might still have been living with his parents and, therefore, I might solve the mystery. Many thanks for any light you can shed on this mystery. Barbara

Hi, I am looking for my elusive present day DINGWALL ancestors. I thought I was on the right trail when I found a death in the 1980's and then found the son still living at the same address on the online Scottish white pages. The letter I sent has just been returned marked "gone away". Is there anyone who could look in the Pitlochry, Ballinluig area phone book for a David Dingwall please. The address I had was 1 Buail-Bhan, Pitlochry.Perthshire, Ballinluig. Thanks, Annette Finnis Christchurch New Zealand

I have some FISHERs in my tree who came from Perthshire and settled in Canada. If you're looking for some Fisher born in the late 1700's or early 1800's and they seem to have disappeared, try Ontario, Canada. One example in my tree is Malcolm FISHER m. Christian McINTYRE in 1803 in Balquhidder and had 7 kids born in Balquhidder (1804-1814) before moving to Ontario in about 1817. Are we connected? Regards - Glen C. Bodie Personal contacts------------------------------- Web http://www.glenbodie.com Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com My Tree http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gcbodie/MyTree/bodie_antle.htm Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 Fax: (208) 248-6782 (via http://www.efax.com) Researching------------------------------------- A.NTLE, B.ODIE, C.OFFIN, C.OMRIE, D.EWAR, F.ARQUHARSON, F.ORD, F.REEMAN, L.AW, L.ILHOLT, M.ACHRAY, M.CNIE, M.CPHAIL, M.UTCH, O.SBORNE, R.ENNIE, S.MITH, S.TERNS, S.TEWART, T.HOMSON, T.HORNE, T.HORNICROFT, T.UPPER, W.ALKER >> M.UTCH+F.ARQUHARSON info at http://www.islandregister.com

Thank you to those who indicated sites. Most of these are BURIAL indexes, and most useful. Gravestone inscriptions on the other hand I have found only at http://www.dundee-howff.info/ which includes an index of surnames from inscriptions (omitting given names). Many burials were not accompanied by stones and inscriptions alas. Ian Melbourne

Thank you David To my rescue again regards Malcolm ----- Original Message ----- From: "david m. STIRLING" <David@davidmstirling.freeserve.co.uk> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [PERTH] Re: Cameron > Hello, > John Cameron was the son of John Cameron and Jean McNiven in Easter Bow of > Kilbride. He had at least one brother, Alexander, born 17 May 1786 at Easter > Bow. John Cameron, born 1771, married Margaret McMartin some time after 22 > Dec 18911, when they were proclaimed at Dunblane. John died at Easter Bow on > 16 Apr 1832 and is buried in Kilbride Churchyard beside his wife, who died > 05 Apr 1844. Their children were:- > 1). John Cameron born 26 Nov 1809. Died before 1814. > 2). Janet Cameron born 28 Oct 1812. Married Matthew Lennox (born 11 Sep 185) > after 27 May 1854. Janet died 19 Jul 1902, at Powblack, Kilmadock. Matthew > Lennox died there 01 Aug 1894. They had a daughter Margaret Lennox born 5 > Jul 1857, who married John Murray from Munnieston, Kilmadock. They had a > son, James born 1879. > 3). John Cameron, born 9 Jul 1814. Died 6 Feb 1901. He married Janet Dewar, > born 1825 at Kilmadock, died 22 Oct 1877. They had eight children. > a) John born 8 Mar 1855. > b) Alexander born 17 Feb 1856. > c) Elizabeth born 14 Jan 1858. > d) Margaret born 1 Sep 1860. > e) Duncan born 17 Aug 1862. > f) Janet born 11 Oct 1864. > g) Jean Dewar born 24 Feb 1867. > h) Donald born 22 Apr 1869. > 4). Duncan Cameron born 26 Aug 1816. Died single 24 Nov 1891 at Powblack, > Kilmadock. > > Dave Stirling > I am looking for details, parents, siblings etc of John CAMERON b c 1771 > Easter Bow of Dunblane > > > John married Mary or Margaret MACMARTIN december 1811 at Dunblane & had > 5 known children > > ______________________________

Heather - while I cannot connect directly with the people you mention, I think I'm "close" in a couple of ways, and I think we ought to compare notes and keep in touch. I have a DEWAR family: Archibald DEWAR (1756, Killin - 1831, Canada) m. Margaret FERGUSON (~ 1770 Comrie - 1835, Canada) who had 5 children born in assorted locations in Perthshire (Dundurin, Comrie, Killin). This family moved to Ontario, Canada in 1818 where the children married into the following families: McNIE, KENNEDY, COMRIE, BUCHANAN, McEWEN - most of which are good Perthshire names from places like Balquhidder, Dull and Comrie. It may well be that we connect somewhere along one of those lines (or another) and that "missing" Scots from Perthshire in that time period can be found in Ontario. You can see my database online at the "My Tree" link below. Regards - Glen C. Bodie Personal contacts------------------------------- Web http://www.glenbodie.com Home mailto:glen@glenbodie.com My Tree http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gcbodie/MyTree/bodie_antle.htm Snail Mail: 76 Strathcona Ave, Toronto, Ontario, Canada M4J 1G8 Fax: (208) 248-6782 (via http://www.efax.com) Thornicroft surname----------------------------- Web http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~gcbodie/thornicroft Mail mailto:thornicroft@glenbodie.com Query http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.thornicroft Mail List mailto:thornicroft-l@rootsweb.com Antle surname----------------------------------- Web http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~antlenf/default.htm Mail mailto:antle@glenbodie.com Query http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec?htx=board&r=rw&p=surnames.antle Mail List mailto:antle-l@rootsweb.com Researching------------------------------------- A.NTLE, B.ODIE, C.OFFIN, C.OMRIE, D.EWAR, F.ARQUHARSON, F.ORD, F.REEMAN, L.AW, L.ILHOLT, M.ACHRAY, M.CNIE, M.CPHAIL, M.UTCH, O.SBORNE, R.ENNIE, S.MITH, S.TERNS, S.TEWART, T.HOMSON, T.HORNE, T.HORNICROFT, T.UPPER, W.ALKER >> M.UTCH+F.ARQUHARSON info at http://www.islandregister.com -----Original Message----- From: HEATHER WILLIAMS [mailto:hjw@brickhouse.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Friday, July 09, 2004 9:34 AM To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Kennedy and Dewar in Logierait My Great Granny was Christina Kennedy, always known as Dewar. She was the illegitemate child of James Dewar and Margaret Kennedy, however on her marriage certificate in 1882 she put her mother's name as Janet. I have the Kirk Session Minutes proving this. Christina was born 5th February 1859 at New Inver, Tullipowrie, Logierait and James Dewar was residing at Pitcastle, Logierait in 1858 and Ardunaig, Killin in 1860. According to Christina's marriage certificate, James Dewar is a mason. James Dewar had a further illegitimate child, admitted in Kirk Session Minutes, he was a James Clark, known as Dewar born to Janet Clark on 22nd December 1859 in Killin. James Dewar did not marry either of these two women. Not exactly a clean living young man!! I have named him the "Tayside Tomcat" I have Christina in the 1881 Census working as a domestic servant in a hotel at Amulree and Crieff Road, Dull. I am looking for any clues as to both James Dewar's and Margaret Kennedy's parentage. I have the 1851 Census Index for Logierait and there are only 2 Margaret Kennedy's, one is aged 2 and the other 6. Logierait 7/8/33: - If it is the 6 year old, then she was only 15 when she had Christina! Her parents were: - James and Catherine. Does anyone have these people in their family, or have access to the 1861, 1871 census so that I can put a further fix on them? Your help would be appreciated as these are my "brick wall" Heather J ______________________________

Hello Catherine I have checked the Blairgowrie 1851 Census Index for your Catherine McManus and I am afraid that she is not there. In fact there is no McManus at all. I have taken the liberty of checking the other Indices that I have and there are still no McManus names. I have put down the ones I have checked, so that you can discount them in your future research. Auchterarder, Bendochy, Clunie, Dunblane, Findogask, Inchture, Kilspindie, Kinfauns, Kinnaird, Kirkmichael, Longforgan, Madderty, Moneydie, Moulin, Port of Mentieth, Rattray, Redgorton, St. Madoes, Tibbermore, Weem, Blair Atholl, Little Dunkeld, Fowlis Easter, Blairgowrie, Trinity Gask, Alyth which includes the parish of Blacklunnans (part of Angus), Dowally. Regards Heather J

Hi Linda: I think we have corresponded before. Could you give me a bit more detail on Duncan Stewart (children's names, etc?). As I may have mentioned, our Stewarts (from Lawers) used the surname McCombich around 1800 and then reverted to Stewart. Margaret in Toronto ----- Original Message ----- From: "Linda Etty" <lindaetty@hotmail.com> To: <Perthshire-d@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 3:37 AM Subject: Duncan STEWART > Hello List, > > My brick wall-Duncan Stewart died in Alloa in 1864 age 70. His parents are > listed as John Stewart and Catherine Stewart ms -------. We know Duncan was > born in Perthshire giving Crieff and Fortingall depending on what census you > look at. Were there standards to complete certificates? > Does -------mean the informant (Duncan's son Alexander) did not know his > grandmother's name or that her name was Stewart as well??? Until we solve > this we are stopped. Any comments would be appreciated. > > Linda, > Hamilton, Canada > > _________________________________________________________________ > Check out the latest news, polls and tools in the MSN 2004 Election Guide! > http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx > > ______________________________

Greetings list, Could SKS please do a lookup for a Catherine McManus from Ireland in the 1851 Blairgowrie census index? Thank you, Catherine

Hello List, My brick wall-Duncan Stewart died in Alloa in 1864 age 70. His parents are listed as John Stewart and Catherine Stewart ms -------. We know Duncan was born in Perthshire giving Crieff and Fortingall depending on what census you look at. Were there standards to complete certificates? Does -------mean the informant (Duncan's son Alexander) did not know his grandmother's name or that her name was Stewart as well??? Until we solve this we are stopped. Any comments would be appreciated. Linda, Hamilton, Canada _________________________________________________________________ Check out the latest news, polls and tools in the MSN 2004 Election Guide! http://special.msn.com/msn/election2004.armx

Malcolm--- Tentatively, YES! Wouldn't it be nice to have a "hit" on your first try! Welcome, anyway! I don't have a positive link for you at present, but one of my family, who was Catherine DRUMMOND, of Monkscroft Farm, Muthill, in the early 19th century, married into the MOIRs, and, what is more, some of these Moir people later came to America in the 1880s, coincidentally with my ROBERTSON line. I don't have any information beyond a James Moir, b. 1826 in Thornhill, Kincardine by Doune, Perthshire, who married Catherine DRUMMOND, b. 18 July 1836 at Monkscroft, Muthill. James Moir's parents may have been Muthill natives, but then again they might not; it's the nature of common Scottish surnames and the mobility of the unlanded farmer class. A youth, Alexander James Moir, b. 28 Mar 1870, the nephew of Catherine's older brother William Drummond, lived at Monkscroft in the 1881 census. One of those Moir relations also attended, as a physician, the death of Janet COMRIE [Drummond], the wife of James Drummond and mother of Catherine Drummond (and my own great-great grandmother), on her death 11 April 1886, at Lauriaton Gardens, in Edinburgh. His signature appears as physician on the death certificate, on Scottish archives at www.Scotlandspeople.gov.uk There were a number of Muthill Moirs living by then in Edinburgh, some who may have assisted my orphaned grandfather's family to emigrate, after the death of my g-grandfather Robert Robertson, in Auchterarder abt. 1885 or '86. In any case, MOIRS pop everywhere in my Muthill DRUMMOND and ROBERTSON history at that time. There were MOIR people who were closely involved with the Scottish dry goods merchant firm of John C. MacInnes Company (he also of Muthill), of Worcester, Massachusetts, in the late 1800s up until the 1920s. My grandfather's older brother, James Drummond Robertson, eventually became president of that firm, and a major shareholder, as I recall, was a Moir. I'll need to dig out the Worcester, Mass. information I have on this. * * * * * (Returning a half-hour later) I did: From Worcester County, Massachusetts Memoirs, Vols. I-III: Historic Homes and Institutions and Genealogical and Personal Memoirs of Worcester County, Massachusetts, Vol. 1 (published 1907), page 336 (available online at www.Ancestry.com) : "The John C. MacInnes Company...has become of of the largest and most prosperous stores of this kind in this section. The business was established by Mr MacInnes in 1873 at 462 Main Street ... {Worcester was at the time, as probably in the present, the second-largest city in New England, after Boston. The John C. MacInnes Company was analagous to a regional Macy's or Harrod's in its commercial influence; my notes} ...The company was formed in 1892 with the same officers that are in charge at present: John C. MacInnes, president and treasurer, Albert A. Spaulding, vice-president; Charles A. Homer, secretary; Alexander J. Moir and the other officers and directors. The store has been enlarged by adding new departments..." It would be interesting to think that the Alexander J. Moir referred to was the same youth Alexander James Moir, captured at Monkscroft Farm, Muthill, in the 1881 Census. My grandfather's brother, James D[rummond] Robertson, arrived from Scotland in the 1880s and worked his way up to the presidency of the company after MacInnes' death in 1916. He died in 1927. My own grandfather Robert, the kid brother, apprenticed at J.C. MacInnes before eventually going on to manage another regional mercantile concern, Ellsworth's of South Bend, Indiana, in the 'teens and 1920s. The name MOIR still circulated in the distant memory of my father, who died last year at nearly 90, but we have obviously lost touch with that family. At USGenweb.org for Worcester Co., Massachusetts, there is another citation for John Comrie MacInnes, his life, and his company: http://www.rootsweb.com/~maworces/wohistbk/494.htm A History of Worcester, by Charles Nutt, pub. 1919, says he was born at Auchtermuthill Farm on the Drummond castle estate on July 3, 1849. I haven't found a biography of Alexander Moir there yet, but the "index" is un-indexed. To sort all of this out, you may check my postings to Ancestry.com's World Family Trees (lookups are free, but you may need to register). I have rather neatly condensed this information for you, at least on the Drummonds (of Muthill) and Robertsons (of Auchterarder) end of it. I'll admit I've been rather sloppy with my Scottish MOIR connexions, preferring in recent months to concentrate on my mother's American Scot's-Irish ancestry, which has deep historical roots in my country, compared to the later arrivals of my Scottish kin in the 1880s. Nevertheless, you'll find an anchor with MOIR and DRUMMOND at the farm of Monkscroft, near Muthill, which I visited once a number of years ago. Happy hunting---and PLEASE, let me know if you have found something! ---Bob (Robert Drummond) Robertson Napa Valley, California In a message dated 7/12/04 8:36:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time, malstgray@bigpond.com writes: > > Hello this is my first posting to this list > I have no details for the Parents here > Alexander MOIR of Muthill Per. &Janet MCLEASK who married c 1862/3;;Children > are > 1] John B 23 Mar 1765, Muthill > 2] James b 5 Apr 1767, Muthill ? marr. unknown had two children > A] Alexander b c 1802 marr c 1884 Isabella unknown > had two children > i] Elizabeth b c 1845 Muthill > ii] John b c 1849 Muthill > > B] James b 1805 Glasgow marr 1831 Auchterarder Ann Hart --have details > > 3] William b 12 Jul 1769 Muthill > 4] Alexander b 1 Jan 1772 Muthill marr. 1798 Tarbolton Farm, Christina > DRENNAN six children to this marriage > > anyone recognise this family > > regards Malcolm > > RESEARCHING: Anderson, Barclay, Blair, Bryce, Buchanan, Campbell, Cameron, > Carmichael, Christie, Clark, Colquhon, Comrie, Dewar, Doig, Dow, Drummond, > Eadie, Falconer, Ferguson, Forbes, Gray, Gow, Hutton, Innes, Johns(t)on, King, > Laurie, MacDonald, MacLaren, MacNie, Maxwell, MacAllister, McAree, McArthur, > McBeath, McCall, McDiarmid, McEwan, McFarlane, McGregor, McInnes, McIntyre, > McKerracher, McKinlay, McLachlan, McLean, McNab(b), McNaughton, McNee, McNiven, > McRuer, McVean, McVey, Moir, Morison, Murdoch, Pat(t)erson, Robertson, > Sharp, Smiley, Stewart, Stirling, Strang, &Whitehead > > >

Sheila, The whole of the Scottish Archive Network and all the sites they host were down over the weekend. Their IT support only work Mon-Fri I'm told, so it wouldn't have been fixed until this morning. Regards, Grant Buttars ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donald" <esquipi@sofnet.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, July 12, 2004 9:49 PM Subject: scottish documents > Is anyone out there having trouble getting on the Scottish Documents site? I was able to get good results last week, but this week can't even get the site. > Sheila in Missouri >

Hi I am seeking the birthplace and date of birth for Peter Mclean b circa 1810 who married Elizabeth (Margaret) Heggie cir 1835 Please note that I have substantially upgraded my Clan Mclean Connections website - this site contains family trees of Buncle - Parker and McCracken families and their relationship to the Mclean family. The webpage is http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Canyon/6387 Regards Doug McLean Australia

Been a while so here are my interests: Rodger of Strathearn. Includes: Roge, Rogie, Rodgie, Rogert, Rodgert, Roger, Rodger etc. In search of ANY surviving descendants of the following Rodger's to establish correspondence: John Rodger b. & Helen Robertson b.1778 Blackford m.1793 Siblings: Isabel, Andrew, John, Jean, William, James, Helen, Ann, Catherine, Alexander, David Mary, Margaret, Anthony. (All events Monzie, Crieff) James Rodger (1801-1874) & Margaret Arnott (1810-1890) m.1838 Siblings: John, Catherine, James, Ann, Margaret, Andrew, William, Peter, Helen, Alexander, Mary. (All events Monzie, Crieff) Rodger families of the farms Ardoch, Shannagher, Thorn, (Fowlis Wester), and Auchilhanzie, Crainend, Craigentore, (Monzie). Wish to establish correspondence with any Rodger resident, or descendant of a resident of the town of Crieff, especially descendants of William and Alexander who lived on Drummond land, (circa 1822), where Pittenzie ran into. Correspondence with descendants who lived in Gilmerton, Monzie, Fowlis Wester also sought. At 1500 years of family history, (admittedly with some breaks and unproven detail), it's time to take a break! Getting too old. Lawrence David Rodger, Patriarch, "CRNC, USA" GONE FISHING! Leave messages or e-mail at: http://members.cox.net/clan_rodger

Hello this is my first posting to this list I have no details for the Parents here Alexander MOIR of Muthill Per. & Janet MCLEASK who married c 1862/3;;Children are 1] John B 23 Mar 1765, Muthill 2] James b 5 Apr 1767, Muthill ? marr. unknown had two children A] Alexander b c 1802 marr c 1884 Isabella unknown had two children i] Elizabeth b c 1845 Muthill ii] John b c 1849 Muthill B] James b 1805 Glasgow marr 1831 Auchterarder Ann Hart --have details 3] William b 12 Jul 1769 Muthill 4] Alexander b 1 Jan 1772 Muthill marr. 1798 Tarbolton Farm, Christina DRENNAN six children to this marriage anyone recognise this family regards Malcolm RESEARCHING: Anderson, Barclay, Blair, Bryce, Buchanan, Campbell, Cameron, Carmichael, Christie, Clark, Colquhon, Comrie, Dewar, Doig, Dow, Drummond, Eadie, Falconer, Ferguson, Forbes, Gray, Gow, Hutton, Innes, Johns(t)on, King, Laurie, MacDonald, MacLaren, MacNie, Maxwell, MacAllister, McAree, McArthur, McBeath, McCall, McDiarmid, McEwan, McFarlane, McGregor, McInnes, McIntyre, McKerracher, McKinlay, McLachlan, McLean, McNab(b), McNaughton, McNee, McNiven, McRuer, McVean, McVey, Moir, Morison, Murdoch, Pat(t)erson, Robertson, Sharp, Smiley, Stewart, Stirling, Strang, & Whitehead