Ursula, Royal Navy records are with the National Archives (TNA) in London - http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ (specifically http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/familyhistory/military/navy/ ) There are various guides to the records and links into the catalogue. If you can't visit yourself to look at any appropriate records, there is a categorised list of researchers at http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/irlist/ Regards, ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ursula" <ursularclarke@yahoo.com> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:53 PM Subject: Navy records > Hello all, > > I am on the trail of James GOWANS, son of James Gowans and Margaret McInroy Moir. > > He was born in 1874 in Perth, appears in the 1881 census with his parents in Dovecotland and thereafter disappears until his death on the Western Front in 1918 and his subsequent burial in Kirkton of Mailer burial ground in Aberdalgie. > > I cannot find him on either the 1891 or 1901 census for Scotland but I have found an entry on the 1901 census for England that might be him. The only problem is, it is as a stoker aboard HMS Illustrious then stationed at Malta! > > The entry lists him as being 25 last birthday and being born in Perth - both details would be right for my James - and I cannot find any other James Gowans born in Perth at abou the same time, so I think it is probably him. > > Which gets me to my query.... are there likely to be any navy records for that period that cover ordinary ratings as opposed to officers and would they give me any details that might corroborate what I suspect? > > Thanks, > > Ursula > > > - ------------------------------- > ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! > > ______________________________ --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.745 / Virus Database: 497 - Release Date: 31/08/2004

Hello List members, "Edmonstone Chronicles, Royal Knights and Scottish Kings" by US author, Joan La Grone, has just been published. This is a Scottish History as it pertains to the Edmonstone Knights who served the Scottish Kings (including Robert the Bruce and all of the Stewarts) from 1063 to 1745. The Battle of Sheriffmuir is covered in detail including the names of many of the prominent Perthshire Jacobites who fought under the Earl of Mar.. Sir James Edmonstone, ancestor of the author, carried the Royal Stewart Standard in this battle. The book will be of interest to anyone with a connection to Scotland. For more information, see www.JoanWheelerLa Grone.com or send an e-mail to met2000@frii.com.

I am researching my family name of Galletley. Is anyone else researching this name? Jenny

My Great Grand Father is Andrew Coupar Milne. Born c.1843. Glamis Angus. Died Newtyle Feb 1919. I'm trying to find the Coupar & McLaren Connection. My Great Grand Mother. My Great Grand Mother is Jessie McLaren Robertson Milne. Born 16/7/1880 at Meikleour Post Office Perthshire. Died Trail B.C. Canada 13/1/1955. Parents of Jessie McLaren Robertson Milne. My Great Great Grand Father is Andrew Coupar Milne. Born c.1843. Glamis Angus. Died Newtyle Feb 1919. He was a Post Master at Meikleour Post Office Perthshire. He Married (24/11/1871), Catherine McLaren Robertson dob 11/11/1846 Little Dunkeld. Died Meikleour 7/11/1902. Age 52, Newtyle. They had 6 Children: John Robertson Milne 8/6/1972. Newtyle Saddler. David Robertson Milne c 1888. Postman Scone. James Robertson Milne 29/05/1974. Railway Clerk Crieff. Robert Robertson Milne c1875. Emigrated to Canada. Peter Robertson Milne 16/11/1882. Emigrated to Calgary Canada. Jessie Robertson Milne 06/07/1880. Emigrated to Canada in 1913. Re-married Charles Crowe. Trail BC Canada. My Great Grand Mother. We have recently found out the Jessie Robertson Milne had twin daughters at Port of Logierait in 1911. As far as we know my late Granny didn't even know about this. They were adopted seperately, in the Paisley area. So concerning this, I'm trying to source the McLaren & Robertson parts of the Milne Family. My Grand Mother Jean Ogilvy Milne. DoB 31/03/1906 Newtyle, Angus. She Married Alexander Brown Bell (Railway man), 2/1/1932 Newtyle. DOB 6/06/1903 Lamond Faulds Cottage Dubton Montrose. Died Ardenlea Main Street Bankfoot 21/5/1991. **************************************************************************** Parents of Andrew Coupar Milne & Catherine McLaren Robertson. Great Great Great Grand Parents are John Milne & Margaret Colville. Parents of Andrew Milne. John Milne - Born c.1800. Ruthven Angus. Died Glamis 1861. Margaret Colville - Born 10/4/1806. Christened 16/4/1809 Alyth Angus. Married 13/2/1833 Airlie Angus. He was a Post Master at Meikleour Post Office Perthshire. He Married (24/11/1871), Catherine Reid Robertson dob 11/11/1846 Little Dunkeld. Died Meikleour 7/11/1902. Parents of Catherine McLaren Robertson. John Robertson 30 Nov 1808 Caputh Married Catherine Reid. John Robertson & Catherine Reid's Family was as follows. Peter Robertson Born 22/6/1837 Little Dunkeld. John Robertson Born 23/12/1838 Little Dunkeld. James Robertson Born 27/9/1840 Little Dunkeld. Robert Robertson Born 7/9/1842 Little Dunkeld. David Robertson Born 23/8/1844 Little Dunkeld. James Robertson Born 27/9/1840 Little Dunkeld. Catherine McLaren Robertson 11/11/1846 Little Dunkeld. d. 7/11/1902 Age 52, Newtyle. I have a lot of information concerning Robertsons & McLarens, in Logierait on MS Word which I can't find any connections. Cheers Alistair Bell.

Does anyone live within an easy distance of the Kinnaird Church? One of my photos inside the church didn't turn out, and I haven't had much luck in getting back to get it re-taken. It is of the Roll of Honour just inside the door, I need one over-all photo and close-ups of the Powrie entries. I would be happy to pay for all costs including mailing, gas and reasonable time compensation. The church keyholder lives opposite the church. This is one of the last photos I'm missing of my Scottish research. Mary in Oregon

With apologies for posting this simultaneously on several Lists ... I'm hoping someone on a Scottish List will have access to the necessary data. I am looking for a birth which is supposed to have taken place about 1870 or 1871 in Tenessee, according to data in the 1881 British Census. The information I have is: Surname: MILLER Child: Agnes Father: Alexander born Wick, Caithness, Scotland Mother: unknown Place: unknown Date: 1870/1871 If anyone can find this birth I would appreciate any details. With thanks in advance .... Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

Hello all, I am on the trail of James GOWANS, son of James Gowans and Margaret McInroy Moir. He was born in 1874 in Perth, appears in the 1881 census with his parents in Dovecotland and thereafter disappears until his death on the Western Front in 1918 and his subsequent burial in Kirkton of Mailer burial ground in Aberdalgie. I cannot find him on either the 1891 or 1901 census for Scotland but I have found an entry on the 1901 census for England that might be him. The only problem is, it is as a stoker aboard HMS Illustrious then stationed at Malta! The entry lists him as being 25 last birthday and being born in Perth - both details would be right for my James - and I cannot find any other James Gowans born in Perth at abou the same time, so I think it is probably him. Which gets me to my query.... are there likely to be any navy records for that period that cover ordinary ratings as opposed to officers and would they give me any details that might corroborate what I suspect? Thanks, Ursula --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Hi List I'm a visitor from Argyll. Could some kind person do Look-ups of the OPRs for Kenmore and Killin Parishes. I am looking for the places in the Parishes where the following children of Duncan Sinclair + Margaret/Mildred Campbell, m 11/2/1773 Kenmore PER, were born : born Kenmore PER : Janet c 10/4/1774 Duncan c 22/6/1776 Christian c 25/10/1778 Patrick c 2/10/1780 Alexander c 12/2/1782 Archibald c 23/3/1784 born Killin PER : James c 11/6/1786 Margaret c 13/9/1788 Donald c 17/4/1791 Patrick c 1794 Many thanks Les --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

An old (1927) handwritten family history lists my ggg-gf, JAMES TAITT, as being "born in Perth, Scotland and was one of a fairly numerous family. The male members of which were scattered over the world in search of fortune and advneture. His sister Ann Taitt wrote a letter to him in 1804 (lost)." I do not know if this information is accurate although most other info in the long document is. Taitt has been spelled with 2 "t"'s since at least the early 1800's. Can anyone help me find him linked to Perth records? I searched a little in Orkney records (without success) since he had a 20-year career in the fur trading business--I have an 1801 XY Company (Canadian fur trade--maybe starting in the Red River area) contract for him, so he left Scotland some time before then. He was the Wintering Clerk, Superintendent of Trades, Gaoler, etc at Fort William (NWCo) until 1821 when the Company merged with the HBCo (the Fort has no more information on James' roots either). Canadian history books say to "not confuse him with James Tate, HBCo servent whose journal describes John Mowat's arrest for the murder of NWCo clerk Aeneas Mcdonnell at Eagle Lake in 1809." Since he never became a partner in the Companies like my Scottish Highland ancestors, I've guessed that he did not come from there. I also could not find the name in Wigtownshire where another fur company ancestor (ship captain) came from. James Taitt died in Chatham, Argenteuil County, Quebec in September 1826 "at about the age of 50". I read a note somewhere else that indicated maybe he was closer to 60 when he died. Therefore, he would have been born ~1766-1776. Any guidance that would help me to identify the area of Scotland this Scottish forbearer of mine came from would be GREATLY appreciated. I'd love to learn more about him, his families and the area of Scotland of my TAITT roots! Would like to join a FHS, but don't know which one.......... Kind regards, Carol Hassemer Madison, WI USA

The server where the Scotland Gen Perth Query Board resides crashed and then was hacked. The powers that be are reloading all the software on a new server and restoring the websites. It will back up and running as soon as possible, but just when that will be is totally unknown. It is not a speedy process to set up the server and restore all the data. All I can tell you is that someone is working on it and when it is completed I will let you all know. Until then you can save your queries, post on the list, or post on the board at Ancestry. I know how frustrating it is to not know if someone has responded to your query, or to not be able to respond. Unfortunately there is nothing to be done until the server is reconstructed. Pam Arnold Perthshire

John Robertson 30 Nov 1808 Caputh Married Catherine Reid. John Robertson & Catherine Reid's Family was as follows. Peter Robertson Born 22/6/1837 Little Dunkeld. John Robertson Born 23/12/1838 Little Dunkeld. James Robertson Born 27/9/1840 Little Dunkeld. Robert Robertson Born 7/9/1842 Little Dunkeld. David Robertson Born 23/8/1844 Little Dunkeld. James Robertson Born 27/9/1840 Little Dunkeld. Catherine McLaren Robertson 11/11/1846 Little Dunkeld. d. 7/11/1902 Age 52, Newtyle. Married Andrew Milne. Daughter Jessie McLaren Robertson Milne 16/7/1880. (My Great Granny). Daughter Jean Ogilvy Milne b. 31/3/1906 d. 28/1/1980 Age 74. (My Granny) I'm looking for any connection to Joseph Milne & Catherine Robertson (Logieraite), who had a son John Robertson, to John Robertson (30 Nov 1808) at Little Dunkeld. Also William Robertson who Married Catherine McLaren at Logieraite (11/4/1829). Alistair Bell.

I'm looking for details on the following: Samuel Milne (1822) Married Margaret Mann (b.13 Feb 1827) in Kirriemuir (on 1 Dec1862 Southmuir Kirriemuir Angus). Great Great Great Grand Parents are John Milne & Margaret Colville. Parents of Andrew Milne. John Milne - Born c.1800. Ruthven Angus. Died Glamis 1861. Margaret Colville - Born 10/4/1806. Christened 16/4/1809 Alyth Angus. Married 13/2/1833 Airlie Angus. I'm looking for any connection between Samuel Milne & John Milne. I think John Milne was Samuel Milne's uncle....? Alistair Bell.

Hello Have just discovered a new line in my family........... Anne Davies born Swansea c 1832 married a Robert Lockhart in Odessa, Russia in 1863 The Lockhart family seem to be part of a large manufacturing family based in Fife. I have found their son ROBERT LOCKHART on the 1881 census at a boarding school in Logie, Perth - called Stanley House Does anyone have any knowledge of the school? Many thanks Cathy North Devon Researching Clarks in Glasgow and India. McGlashans in Scotland and India. Davies, Cox, Moore, Gilroy and Flannery

(apologies to anyone who may already have received this) Information Market Place - 1st September, Barony Hall, University of Strathclyde Open access between 3pm and 6.30pm The Society of Archivists is proud to announce the Information Market Place, which will take place on Wednesday 1st September 2004. This event is open to the general public between 3pm and 6.30pm and will appeal to all those interested in local and family history. Participants in the event include The Virtual Mitchell, TheGlasgowStory, The Scottish Textile project, the Drawn Evidence project, Scottish Archive Network, Historic Scotland, The National Archives, Edinburgh University Archives and Glasgow University Archive Services. There will also be an opportunity to see a film presentation by the Scottish Screen Archive entitled "Scotland on the eve of war." and participate in a "Conserving your Family Records Question Time". The event will be a mix of timetabled workshops, demonstrations and panel sessions, as well as an opportunity for participants to speak to commercial exhibitors and representatives from a number of local and national organisations. For more information on this event please go to: http://www.archives.org.uk/conference/A5%20Booklet%20NEW%20LISTINGS.pdf ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/

-----Original Message----- From: Grant Buttars [mailto:member@taybank.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:54 AM To: tay-valley-bridges@yahoogroups.com; dundee-history@yahoogroups.com; ANGUS-L@rootsweb.com; PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: {not a subscriber} FW: Information Market Place - 1st September, Barony Hall, University of Strathclyde Information Market Place - 1st September, Barony Hall, University of Strathclyde Open access between 3pm and 6.30pm The Society of Archivists is proud to announce the Information Market Place, which will take place on Wednesday 1st September 2004. This event is open to the general public between 3pm and 6.30pm and will appeal to all those interested in local and family history. Participants in the event include The Virtual Mitchell, TheGlasgowStory, The Scottish Textile project, the Drawn Evidence project, Scottish Archive Network, Historic Scotland, The National Archives, Edinburgh University Archives and Glasgow University Archive Services. There will also be an opportunity to see a film presentation by the Scottish Screen Archive entitled “Scotland on the eve of war.” and participate in a “Conserving your Family Records Question Time”. The event will be a mix of timetabled workshops, demonstrations and panel sessions, as well as an opportunity for participants to speak to commercial exhibitors and representatives from a number of local and national organisations. For more information on this event please go to: http://www.archives.org.uk/conference/A5%20Booklet%20NEW%20LISTINGS.pdf ============== Grant E. L. Buttars Dundee, Scotland http://www.taybank.freeserve.co.uk/ -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Hello Heather Ref to your posting in April to do look ups including Dunkeld. Do you still have the census indices? If so could I ask if you could check Andersons in Little Dunkeld, in particular the Amulree/Tomnagrew area.I am following back on the Andersons from the OPR but the records are confusing and contradictory and difficult to read. The family I know is that of a James Anderson born about 1786 to a Donald Anderson and unknown Dowan - could be a birth to Donald and Catherine Cowan June 1786. The couple also had Jannet in1790 and John in 1789. In 1815 James was at Tomnagrew. Seem to be about four households there of varying sizes. Any Andersons in this area would be of interestas they may link to earlier generations. Thank you Dave Smith

I have recently updated Births, adding over 1000 entries to this section. Also during August, Marriages and Baptisms have also been updated. The database now holds - Births 11,248 Deaths 9,333 Marriages 7,484 Baptisms 3,185 Burials 296 Banns 1,276 Total records held - 32,822 The site is at - www.sctbdm.com Cheers Sue

Hello, Does anyone on the list know where I might find information on the old Newton Chapel at Doune and whether or not there were any burials there? Joan

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Please could SKS do a look-up for me on the 1871 census for 24 Barrack Street, Perth. I am looking for my ggg grandfather George BRUCE and family. Also, if anyone has access to the 1851 or 1861 census could you please look for George BRUCE at 1 Union Street, Perth. (I have these addresses from family death certificates) Many thanks Dorothy