Alan, Thank you for this information. This is a surprise - these two middle names never appeared again in any records I have found for my GGgmother. Perhaps it is only a coincidence of names, but it does seem possible that this is the same couple who were married in Pollokshaws on 20 Nov 1829 after banns read at Thornliebank in late October. It is possible that the banns were also read at her parish, Muthill. Does anyone on the List know ANYTHING about this woman, Margaret Seymour Masterton SINCLAIR? Ken In a message dated 9/13/04 6:09:02 PM Pacific Daylight Time, shiral@efni.com writes: > Ken, > > IGI (for what it is worth) shows a marriage of James MURRAY and Margaret > Seymour Masterton SINCLAIR on 1 Nov 1829 in Muthill Parish. Her other > Christian names may be helpful. > > Alan > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <KenHarrison11@cs.com> > To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 7:04 PM > Subject: [PERTH] Lookup Request - Parish of Muthill 1829 > > > If any Lister has access to the OPR for Muthill I would appreciate a > lookup > > for a marriage proclamation(s) in late October or November, 1829, for: > > Margaret SINCLAIR (of Muthill Parish) and James MURRAY (of Eastwood > Parish). > > > > These were my GGgparents and I have recently discovered Margaret's home > > parish. I know nothing more about her family and hope that the OPR might > give some > > clues to her parentage. She was apparently born at Braco about 1802 or > 1803. > > > > With a thank you in advance ..... > > > > Ken Harrison > > North Vancouver, Canada >

Is anyone researching the family of John MCCALLUM and Mary MCNAUGHTON of Cambusvrachan? John was born c 1813. I would be interested in contact. Thanks, Vivian McCallum, Dunedin, New Zealand

If any Lister has access to the OPR for Muthill I would appreciate a lookup for a marriage proclamation(s) in late October or November, 1829, for: Margaret SINCLAIR (of Muthill Parish) and James MURRAY (of Eastwood Parish). These were my GGgparents and I have recently discovered Margaret's home parish. I know nothing more about her family and hope that the OPR might give some clues to her parentage. She was apparently born at Braco about 1802 or 1803. With a thank you in advance ..... Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

If anyone is doing lookups in Muthill, could you please keep an eye out for the marriage of Margaret Millar to John Mcomish in 1827. I have located the banns, but no marriage or parents' names. Muthill was her home parish. Thanks, Virginia

Could someone please tell me if there is a similar "Family History Group" that covers Dunblane? I'm looking for Campbells from Dunblane. Thankyou! Ed. Campbell Edmonton, Alberta, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Katherine Liney" <kay@knockard.freeserve.co.uk> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:47 AM Subject: [PERTH] North Perthshire Family History Group Apologies if the link I gave didn't work, try this one http://www.npfhg.org/ The Fortingall death index is under resources Kay ==== PERTHSHIRE Mailing List ==== ------------------------------------------------ Contact the administrator of the Perthshire List at PERTHSHIRE-admin@rootsweb.com http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/intl/SCT/PERTHSHIRE.html --------------------------------------------------

Apologies if the link I gave didn't work, try this one http://www.npfhg.org/ The Fortingall death index is under resources Kay

Hi Before we go any further why not visit our Family History Group's web site www.npfhg,org which features a very comprehensive death index for Fortingall, I can recommend it I found two forebears I knew nothing of as they had not been registered in OPR for Fortingall. The McNaughtons I am interested in came from Cashlie Kay

Trying to find records of a Peter Reid possibly of Collace or Kinrossie. Peter was somehow connected with the Scrimgeour family of Tibbermore, or the Carr family of Scone. (Birth date about 1865-1870) Grateful for any assistance Eliz.

Hi All, Taken from the PRs of Dull, "March 15, 1750, Robert son to Alexander and Christian Stewart in Mains of Foss was Baptized" If anybody is researching this line then I shall be pleased to hear from them. Regards, Fred Waite, Staffs.

Thank you for the many replies that I received to my enquiry. Regards, Fred

In a message dated 9/12/04 10:31:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pparnold@earthlink.net writes: > Ken > I thought your request was terribly interesting - and I did poke around to > see what I could find (not too much that was helpful). I > couldn't see why this child would have been born in Tennessee. So the > father, I assume (such a great start for research) was in > the British Navy and then in private service on a ship? > I realized I know very little about sailors from this particular time frame > (1870's), and even less about British sailors. > Were you able to learn more about Agnes being born in Tennessee? Or about > the father? > Share with the list - I'm sure it is possible to research these sailors, but > I don't know how. > > And thanks for the kind words - this list has many wonderful members! > > Pam Pam, The hunt for the elusive birth in Tennessee in 1871 continues. There are some avenues left to search, and some kind volunteers are looking into them as I "speak", but it is not looking good. No civil registration in Tennessee until 1914; family arriving in Tennessee probably a month too late to be enumerated in 1870 .... :-(( The case is just as strange as it looks. The father was from Wick, Caithness, and I know about all his siblings and 3 generations of ancestors. The mother is still completely unknown. The father was a captain on sailing vessels between UK and Aus/NZ from about 1850 to about 1867 or later. I have found through the ShipsList and Mariners List all the ships he captained as well as when he captained them and where they sailed, plus construction and life details on each ship. The first child was born in "Straits of Mallacca", so probably on board ship and so the wife apparently travelled with her husband, the captain. The next two were born in Liverpool (the normal home port of the father). And the fourth was born in 1870 or 1871 in "Tennessee, USA" (NO other details). A family story is that the father ran (briefly I suppose) an unsucessful sawmill to manufacture axe handles in Tennessee. By the 1881 census, widowed father & 4 children are in Liverpool again. I know of descendants of the first child down to the present, mostly in South Africa. But I know nothing more about the other 3 children after the 1881 census. Children 2 & 3 were found on FreeBDM, but mother not indicated. The search continues ..... Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

Hi, Kay and Peggy, I'm also researching McNaughtans in Glenlyon. I don't know if we've compared notes in the past or not. My interest is in Catharine (various spellings), born 1777 in Milton Eonan, daughter of John MacNachtan and Elisabeth (Elspeth) MacNachtane. John, in addition to being a miller, apparently farmed in various places in Glenlyon over the years. To the best of my knowledge, Catharine's siblings were: Christian, 1763; Robert, 1765; Unnamed, 1772; John 1774; Donald, 1781; Elisabeth, 1783 (she may have been the Elisabeth MacNaughtan who married John MacCallum and had a son named Donald MacCallum, who married his cousin, Catherine Menzies [below]). Catharine MacNaughtan married James Menzies; they had: Archibald, Robert, John, Duncan, Alexander, Christian, Catherine (see above), Alexander, Stewart. If anyone has any interest in these people, do let me know, and we can compare notes. Duncan MacNaughton, who was the genealogist of the MacNaughton clan, told me many years ago that the John and Elisabeth of Milton Eonan were from the famed "White Horse MacNaughton" family, but I've never seen any primary source proof. Sheila in Missouri

Ken I thought your request was terribly interesting - and I did poke around to see what I could find (not too much that was helpful). I couldn't see why this child would have been born in Tennessee. So the father, I assume (such a great start for research) was in the British Navy and then in private service on a ship? I realized I know very little about sailors from this particular time frame (1870's), and even less about British sailors. Were you able to learn more about Agnes being born in Tennessee? Or about the father? Share with the list - I'm sure it is possible to research these sailors, but I don't know how. And thanks for the kind words - this list has many wonderful members! Pam

--=======33E3386======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6E8D6078; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit At 17:00 11/09/04 -0600, Ruth Majek wrote: >Could someone please give me some information on Gilmerton, near >Monzie? I know my ancestors lived there - Peter Fisher and Christian >Gowans and their children around 1820 - 1840. I have recently seen a >picture online of a street in Gilmerton and there is a church there. Is >there a cemetery also? Does anyone know the name of this church and how >to access records? The church in Gilmerton was a Free Church of Scotland church (now converted to a house) and so post-dates your ancestors. The village was initially in the parish of Fowlis Wester but annexed to Monzie sometime in the 18th century. It would be worth searching the parish records of both parishes (Monzie and Fowlis, are now a united parish but both villages previously had separate Church of Scotland churches with their own records. The OPR for Monzie are particularly good.). Gilmerton is mentioned in the 1845 Statistical Account articles for both parishes (written in 1837 in both cases). Until very recent times Gilmerton was essentially two streets. It grew up mainly for workers on the nearby estate which granted land for housebuilding. As you have seen Glen Road (which contains the church) I have added a modern picture of the other one, Perth Road, (which runs at right angles to it) to the pictures of Monzie Parish on the Clearances site at http://theclearances.org/clearances/parishes.php?parishid=147 Best Wishes Douglas The Highland Clearances http://www.theclearances.org --=======33E3386======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-6E8D6078 Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.733 / Virus Database: 487 - Release Date: 02/08/04 --=======33E3386=======--

I am researching the name McNaughtan/on in Fortingall, Dalchonzie, Glen Lyon etc main line of research is descendants of John McNaughtan b c 1650 Dalchonzie; and his two sons Coline & John Coline married Janet Cameron; 2 children John married Janet Carmichael; 2 children I have information on both these lines please contact me off list regards Malcolm -------Original Message------- From: Katherine Liney Date: 09/11/04 08:13:37 To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: McNaughtons, Fortingall Hi I am researching McNaughtons in Fortingall too, for a friend Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: <brewstout@adelphia.net> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: Re: PERTHSHIRE-D Digest V04 #159 > At 02:00 PM 9/9/2004, you wrote: > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:25:08 +0100 > >From: "Fred Waite" <fred@lichfield-waite.freeserve.co.uk> > >To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > >Hi All, > > > >I am assisting a friend in the USA to search the PRs for the parishes of > >Dull and Fortingal. Is this the right list for that area, do the early > >registers, pre-1750, exist and have they been transcribed. > > > >Regards, > >Fred Waite, Staffordshire. > > Fred, > Right list! If your friend is researching McNaughtan's (the various > spellings) let me know. Mine are in Fortingall and surrounding area. > Peggy > _____________________________

I recently posted a query on several Lists, including this one, and was overwhelmed by the help and generosity of my fellow Listers. This wasn't a surprise to me - just a reminder. I thanked several Listers directly, but there were so many (including those who replied only on-List) that I know I missed some. So to all of you who I may have missed (you know who you are) -- Thank you, very much !! I also posted a simple query on one of these Lists a couple of days ago, and again had several Listers respond with offers of help, including one who offerred to send material to me by post at their own expense. They made this offer, noting that they were doing so as a way of compensating for similar assistance they had received in the past and which could not practically be repaid directly. I have spent many hours at several different times over the past few years, looking up information and forwarding it to other Listers in response to their queries. Usually I do this without thinking about it. But I have once or twice found myself thinking "why am I wasting my time on this, when I could be doing something for my own research?". Well .... now I know the answer to that question. Let's each one of us give ourselves a wee pat on the back, right now. And the next time someone asks on the List for something - remember all the help we have received in the past. Here endeth the sermon .... Yours, Aye Ken Harrison North Vancouver, Canada HARRISON Yorkshire, Staffordshire, London (Highgate/Hampstead) POTCHIT Yorkshire FISHER London (Highgate/Hampstead) GRIFFIN Staffordshire STANLEY Staffordshire SMELLIE Lanark, Orkney, Glasgow, Tasmania STIRRAT Ayrshire & Glasgow BAIN Caithness MILLER Caithness, Swaziland SPENCE Orkney TRAILL Orkney SELKRIG Lanark WICKETSHAW Lanark MORRISON Perthshire, Islay, Dumbarton, Glasgow, Australia (Vic) BAIRD Renfrew HAM Australia (Vic) THOMPSON Suffolk AGGUS Suffolk BRIGHTWELL Suffolk LAWSON Clackmannan McNABB Islay MURRAY Dumfries, Renfrew GILLESPIE Dumfries HENDERSON Dumfries TICKET (TAKET) Dumfries CALDWELL Tyrone, Renfrew GRAHAM Tyrone, Ontario Genealogists never die ... they just lose their census. Unless specifically stated otherwise in this message, there is no intentional attachment on this e-mail transmission.

Could someone please give me some information on Gilmerton, near Monzie? I know my ancestors lived there - Peter Fisher and Christian Gowans and their children around 1820 - 1840. I have recently seen a picture online of a street in Gilmerton and there is a church there. Is there a cemetery also? Does anyone know the name of this church and how to access records? Thank you. Ruth --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Helps protect you from nasty viruses.

Hi I am researching McNaughtons in Fortingall too, for a friend Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: <brewstout@adelphia.net> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 12:50 PM Subject: Re: PERTHSHIRE-D Digest V04 #159 > At 02:00 PM 9/9/2004, you wrote: > >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:25:08 +0100 > >From: "Fred Waite" <fred@lichfield-waite.freeserve.co.uk> > >To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > >Hi All, > > > >I am assisting a friend in the USA to search the PRs for the parishes of > >Dull and Fortingal. Is this the right list for that area, do the early > >registers, pre-1750, exist and have they been transcribed. > > > >Regards, > >Fred Waite, Staffordshire. > > Fred, > Right list! If your friend is researching McNaughtan's (the various > spellings) let me know. Mine are in Fortingall and surrounding area. > Peggy >

At 02:00 PM 9/9/2004, you wrote: >Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2004 14:25:08 +0100 >From: "Fred Waite" <fred@lichfield-waite.freeserve.co.uk> >To: PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com >Hi All, > >I am assisting a friend in the USA to search the PRs for the parishes of >Dull and Fortingal. Is this the right list for that area, do the early >registers, pre-1750, exist and have they been transcribed. > >Regards, >Fred Waite, Staffordshire. Fred, Right list! If your friend is researching McNaughtan's (the various spellings) let me know. Mine are in Fortingall and surrounding area. Peggy

Anyone interested in John Anderson from Over Blairish andElizabeth McDougall from Nether Blairish married Fortingall, 22 March 1822 Kay