Hi Everyone, I notice there has been a few exchanges on the name MCNAUGHTON recently. I wonder if anyone recognises my JAMES MCNAUGHTON. I haven't been able to trace his birth but he was born around 1791 in Perth. I have no idea who his parents and/or siblings were but I do know quite a lot about his life. He enlisted in Edinburgh with the Black Watch in 1812 - he was a volunteer from the Royal Perthshire Militia - and his place of birth was given as Perth. His trade was cordwainer. He was a soldier in the 73rd Regiment when he married a MARY GIBSON in Edinburgh in 1813. Mary's father was a JOHN GIBSON, occupation Writer in Perth. I have quite a bit of information on his army career and he was discharged in 1833 with his intended place of residence being Edinburgh. James and Mary had six children that I am aware of - JOHN born 1818 Perth. WILLIAM born 1821. JAMES (my ancestor) born app. 1821 in Aberdeen going by census returns - no sign of this birth certificate yet. I assume his father must have been posted to the Aberdeenshire area at the time of his birth? MARY ANN MCNAUGHTON app. 1828 Edinburgh. ALEXANDER app 1831 Edinburgh. DONALD app 1837 Edinburgh. My soldier JAMES must have died sometimes between his discharge from the Black Watch in 1833 and the 1851 Census Edinburgh as this shows Mary a widow aged 56 living with her daughter Mary Ann and sons Alexander and Donald. I have searched to no available for JAMES' death and I feel that I am at a dead end as I don't know where to try next. Does anyone out there recognise my JAMES MCNAUGHTON? Or does anyone know where I can trace the records of the Royal Perthshire Militia? Or does anyone recognise MARY GIBSON. So many questions! Thank you for taking the time to read this. Best wishes, Pauline in Berkshire.

Hi I am researching the SLATER and SCOTT families of Perthshire. Janet SLATER b1838 a daughter of James and Maryanne (McKENZIE)SLATER. Janet married 1856 to David SCOTT at Caputh.they had 11 children. One of particular interest because of his first name is Poonamalee Rajahgopaul SCOTT b1871.I can find NO info on this person. Janet's father James was born in Ceylon in1806. I have now read that his first name is the placename of a town/city in Ceylon.I would love to find any info on Poonamalee. Thanks Helen in New Zealand

hello, Does anyone have access to the OPR for Kinnoull covering the year 1824? I am trying to find the details (if there are any on the OPR) of a marriage between Alexander GOWANS and Isabella ADAM which took place in Kinnoull on 29 January 1824. I am also trying to trace their children: Jessie born 1831, christened Kinnoull January 1832 Isabella born 1827, christened Kinnoull July 1827 There is also a son Alexander, christened 1829 in Redgorton and at least one other son, Anthony (of whom I can find no mention apart from on his nephew's death certificate in 1857!) Any help appreciated. Ursula --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

Again from my Family Tree "Buchanans in trean" and some of their descendants and collaterals Copied from the original in 1903; Drawn for John McNaughton, copied by John McNab in Callander for Duncan McIntyre Stewarts starting with (E) Elisabeth STEWART b1751 Achnahard Callander d/o John Bahn STEWART of Glenfinglass and Mary BUCHANAN of Offerance Elisabeth STEWART b 1803 d/o Donald STEWART in Lendrick and Margaret MCKINLAY in Annie Elisabeth STEWART b 1836 Callander d/o Robert STEWART in Innertrossachs & Mary STEWART of Callander;; marr. James MORISON 1859 Portobello Mln. 5 known children Elizabeth STEWART b 1804 Callander d/o Duncan STEWART in Achnahard & Mary MCKINLAY of Callander Elizabeth STEWART b 1812 Callander d/o George STEWART & Janet MCVEY both of Callander Elizabeth STEWART b 1827 Callander d/o Alexander STEWART of Callander & Kathrine MCNAUGHTON of Kilmadock;; Married Peter STEWART 1856 Alloa Clackmannan ;; 2 known children Elizabeth STEWART b 1838 Port of Menteith, d/o Robert STEWART in Blairgarrie and Margaret DRUMMOND of Callander Elizabeth Ann STEWART b 1872 in Callander d/o Duncan STEWART in Callander & Christian FERGUSON of Callander George STEWART b 1758 Callander s/o Thomas STEWART & Janet SEMPLE;; marr. Janet MCVEY c 1786 in Callander;; 11 known children Starting with (H) next post regards Malcolm

Just wish to remind everyone of my interest in this name anywhere, anytime but especially as my own Keillors were from Perth and surrounds. Any sightings gratefully accepted and should you have a Keillor in your tree please contact me as I reams of info on this name at my fingertips Regards Pat Stedman Brisbane, Australia ******************************************** One-name study of Keillor/Keillar/Keiller etc <http://www.users.bigpond.com/kiellor/index.htm> http://www.users.bigpond.com/kiellor/index.htm and for families from Clutton, Somerset <http://www.geocities.com/p_stedman/Index.htm> http://www.geocities.com/p_stedman/Index.htm ********************************************

I am researching John Murray who married Ann/Anges Lawson in 1769. In 1805 he was a farmer in Dumbuils in Forgandenny. I am trying to find when he died.. Any help appreciated. Thanks Marie

Hello The "Bible" for anyone researching in Breadalbane area "In Famed Breadalbane" tells us ; "McNaceard alias Sinclair. The Gaelic word ceard means artificer. Macaceard is the son of the artificer, or of the tinkler. As time went on the association of the the name with "tinker" was not acceptable and Tinkler was changed to Sinkler and then Sinclair The sinclairs latterly claimed a Caithness origin through the first Earl of Breadalbane's association with that county. This claim is not confirmed by the tracing of the name in Breadalbane 1622 Donald Dow Meknacard, Camuschurich. 1698 Duncan, Mill of Finlarig, 1769, Donald Rhyncuilg, John Stroncomrie, Hugh Tomgarrow. 1834 four householders of the name Sinclair in the Kenmore District" Hope you find this of interest Kay ----- Original Message ----- From: "Trish Lewis" <trishlewis@accesswave.ca> To: <PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 03, 2004 11:58 AM Subject: SINCLAIRS of Taymouth Area > Hello everyone. > > I'm looking for the family of a Duncan SINCLAIR whose headstone says he was > born 1750, a native of Taymouth Breadalbane. He comes from a long line of > Scottish Gardeners who seem to end up as Head Gardeners at estates and > castles. > > Duncan was the Head Gardener for George BAILLIE of Jerviswood at the > Mellerstaine Estate in Berwick for many years. Previous to that we believe > he may have been a gardener at the Polmaise estate in Stirling. > > Duncan's sons John and George also gardeners. John was at the Newnham > Paddox to the 7th Earl of Denbigh in Warwickshire, England, and George first > at the Gordon Estate in Scotland and then at the Woburn Abbey in Bedford > where he is famous for performing some experimental work which was quoted by > DARWIN in his book. > > Duncan had a brother Archibald who was born about 1761 and married in Perth > a Mary CREE. He was a gardener at the Bonnington Estate in Lanarkshire. > > We know Duncan and Archibald's fathers name is NOT Duncan, because in my > Duncan's will he mentions an Uncle Duncan. > > Has anyone come across any of these names? I'm leaning towards a John > SINCLAIR and Jane McTAVISH as possible parents, but not sure. > > Thank you > > Trish LEWIS > Nova Scotia > Canada > > ______________________________

Dave wrote in looking for Bells in different locations. choose Gb place... for village or parish, street option for the larger cities (for Dundee, etc) http://www.multimap.com/ http://www.streetmap.co.uk/ http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ http://www.nls.uk/digitallibrary/map/index.html really old maps at National Library of Scotland which you can order copies of I ordered a copy of a map of Dundee with parish boundaries from the Wellgate library in Dundee. The ordnance maps purchased from Tay Valley FHS have really helped me locate all the little farms, mills and parish churches. I found photos for most churches and villages on SCRAN or RCAHMS. PHOTOPOLIS has neat photos of Dundee but they are on SCRAN too. Gazeteer give general information on parishes http://www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/gaztitle.html Before census in 1851, Scotland did Statistical Accounts which don't give surnames (so don't expect to get genealogical info) but gives general inforation about the economic conditions in that parish.1791-1799, and 1845. 300 or so questions were sent to the parish minister so their detail depend on his competeness. They often say how many of a particular profession (8 blacksmiths, 4 shoemakers) and what was the main reason keeping people poor...(short leases, power mills, comments about the morals of the young- wearing ear rings, drinking..... some thing never change) http://stat-acc-scot.edina.ac.uk/stat-acc-scot/stat-acc-scot.asp?session-id=03326b8ac6f9a42f8f5506d059cea41d;action=search Mary in Oregon

Seeking any information on the family of David STEWART born about 1882, to David and Helen STEWART. David was born in Ruthvenfield, Tibbermore and had a sister Amy or Amelia. David died 7 Aug 1915 at Lone Pine, Gallipolli, in the 2nd AIF (Australian Infantry Forces). In 1915 his parents address was given as "The Crescent, Luncarty, Perth". Amy married one Lewis George COLE (in Australia, or Scotland ?) and had a least one child David Llewellyn COLE born at Luncarty Scotland in 1919. Diane Cole Rydalmere NSW

Dear Listers, I would be most appreciative if you would please check the 1851 or 1861 census for: WILLIAM HOGG JANET PULLAR wife b. CAPUTH 1808 They were possibly at CRAIGNATHRO, ANGUS at that time. Thank you Kind regards Margaret

Hello everyone. I'm looking for the family of a Duncan SINCLAIR whose headstone says he was born 1750, a native of Taymouth Breadalbane. He comes from a long line of Scottish Gardeners who seem to end up as Head Gardeners at estates and castles. Duncan was the Head Gardener for George BAILLIE of Jerviswood at the Mellerstaine Estate in Berwick for many years. Previous to that we believe he may have been a gardener at the Polmaise estate in Stirling. Duncan's sons John and George also gardeners. John was at the Newnham Paddox to the 7th Earl of Denbigh in Warwickshire, England, and George first at the Gordon Estate in Scotland and then at the Woburn Abbey in Bedford where he is famous for performing some experimental work which was quoted by DARWIN in his book. Duncan had a brother Archibald who was born about 1761 and married in Perth a Mary CREE. He was a gardener at the Bonnington Estate in Lanarkshire. We know Duncan and Archibald's fathers name is NOT Duncan, because in my Duncan's will he mentions an Uncle Duncan. Has anyone come across any of these names? I'm leaning towards a John SINCLAIR and Jane McTAVISH as possible parents, but not sure. Thank you Trish LEWIS Nova Scotia Canada

I wondered if anyone would know what Academies would have existed in Perth c 1815? (Such as Tain Royal Academy) Are there any registers available? Judy Qld Australia

Alistair, I have looked at Groomes Ordnance Gazetteer (1903), there are a lot of "Auchter-somethings", but no other Auchterhouse, or anything lilely to be confusded with it. Dave Howie > > Subject: > RE: David Bell 1776 Strachan > From: > "Alistair Bell" <alibell@tiscali.co.uk> > Date: > Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:55:45 +0100 > To: > PERTHSHIRE-L@rootsweb.com > > >I'm looking for David Bell b.1776. > >But the only info I can find is the following: > > 18 24 Jul 1776 BELLDAVID PATRICK BELL/ANN THOMSON M AUCHTERHOUSE 273/00 0002 > > 19 29 Sep 1776 BELLDAVID ROBERT BELL/JANET WOOD M LARGO 443/00 0003 > > 20 16 Mar 1776 BELLDAVID THOMAS BELL/ M BARR 580/00 0001 > >I think I can safely reject the Barr David,(Strathclyde), is Largo near to Strachan (or is it Fife)?? > >I know that Auchterhouse is in the county of Angus near to Newtyle. >But is there an Auchterhouse near to Strachan as well?? > >Alistair Bell. > >

Hi, Peggy, Thanks for the data on your McNaughtons. I don't see where mine mesh, but they well may do so somewhere in the mists of time. My Catharine (Kathrine, etc.) was baptised 19 March 1777, born Milton Eonan to John McNaughtan and Elisabeth (Elspeth, etc.) McNaughtan, who married 17 January 1762 in Weem parish. The surname spellings varied from MacNachtan to McNachtane. John seems to have been a farmer and miller, depending on where he was in Glenlyon when the various children were born. From the naming patterns, John's parents may have been Robert and Catherine, and Elisabeth's parents may have been Christian and John. However, I haven't found them. I will hold on to your tree in case I come across anything that connects. Sometimes when you look at something long enough, a flash of insight jumps out at you. Sheila in Missouri

Does anyone 'own' William McIntosh and Susan McBeath? This couple married in 1839 in Blair Atholl. They had at least 9 children, I think: Archibald 1841, Margaret 1843, Barbara 1845, William 1847, Janet 1850, Alexander 1854, Susan 1856, Duncan 1858, Donald 1865. Susan McBeath/McIntosh died in 1873 at Blair Atholl, and William re-married in 1880 (Isabella Conachie). William died aged 66 in 1886. He was described as the Guide to the Pass of Killiecrankie. His parents were named as Peter McIntosh and Margaret Sinclair. I cannot find his birth (OPR or IGI). His parents may have married in Edinburgh in 1815 (the only match I could find). It is highly likely that their daughter Barbara McIntosh accompanied my gg grandparents to New Zealand in 1859. She was described as a 'niece', but this cannot be strictly accurate. She could be a great-niece, though. Does anyone match with this family? Thanks. Cathie Shaw

I'm looking for David Bell b.1776. But the only info I can find is the following: 18 24 Jul 1776 BELL DAVID PATRICK BELL/ANN THOMSON M AUCHTERHOUSE 273/00 0002 19 29 Sep 1776 BELL DAVID ROBERT BELL/JANET WOOD M LARGO 443/00 0003 20 16 Mar 1776 BELL DAVID THOMAS BELL/ M BARR 580/00 0001 I think I can safely reject the Barr David,(Strathclyde), is Largo near to Strachan (or is it Fife)?? I know that Auchterhouse is in the county of Angus near to Newtyle. But is there an Auchterhouse near to Strachan as well?? Alistair Bell.

Sorry, hit wrong button - this time text only Kay, Sheila and others, Sorry for not getting back to this sooner but life has been busy lately.. I'll post my McNaughtons again, let me know if you connect..... My McNaughtans are from Dalchronzie early on and later Fortingall........ 1. unk MacNaughtan 2. Coline MacNaughtan b ? John MacNaughtan b abt 1675 Dalchonzie marr Janet Carmichael (Janet b in Findhuglen, b unk) 3. Duncan MacNaughtan b. 1699 John MacNaughtan b 1701 Dalchonzie marr Janet McIlchonnel in abt 1726 (dau of John McIlchonnel & Katherine Dochardach) 4. Duncan MacNaughtan b 2 Jan 1726 Dalchonzie marr Margaret Fergusson Patrick MacNaughtan b 1728 John MacNaughtan b. 1729 Malcolm MacNaughtan b. abt 1730 Monzie Colline MacNaughtan b. 9 Dec 1733 Monzie 5. Finlay MacNaughtan b. 14 April 1751 Dalchiorlich, Glen Lyon marr Jean McDiarmid 17 Mar 1776 (dau of John McDiarmid & Grisel MacNaughtan) Jean b 22 June 1760 in Dunan, Argyll Christian MacNaughtan b unk,at Dalchiorlich, Glen Lyon William MacNaughtan b unk, at Dalchiorlich, Glen Lyon Margaret MacNaughtan b. abt 18 June 1754 at Dalchiorlich, Glen Lyon 6. Margaret (Peggy) MacNaughtan b 19 Jan 1777 Fortingall marr Malcolm MacNaughtan 22 Jan 1797 in Fortingall (son of John MacNaughtan & Isobel McCallum, b 1768) Grizel MacNaughtan b 13 Dec 1779 Kinachlacher, Loch Ranoch Christian MacNaughtan b 01 Jan 1785 Kinachlacher, Loch Ranoch Donald MacNaughtan b abt 25 Dec 1786 Kinachlacher, Loch Ranoch Elizabeth MacNaughtan b 24 August 1788 Kinachlacher, Loch Ranoch Janet MacNaughtan b. 07 Jun 1790 Fortingall Alexander MacNaughtan b 4 Dec 1791 Fortingall Ann MacNaughtan b. 29 March 1793 Kinachlacher, Loch Ranoch Robert MacNaughtan b. 15 Dec 1794 Easter Moar, Glen Lyon Mary MacNaughtan b. 7 Dec 1796 Easter Moar, Glen Lyon Janet MacNaughtan b. 20 October 1798 Easter Moar, Glen Lyon *Alexander MacNaughtan b. 3 Sept 100 Easter Moar, Glen Lyon Jean MacNaughtan b. 20 June 1802 Easter Moar, Glen Lyon Joseph MacNaughtan b. 30 March 1805 Easter Moar, Glen Lyon note: Peggy & Malcolm are cousins and were married at Fortingall; the spelling changes in this family to MacNaughton in the children and they emigrate to Ontario, CAN. I do have more on the siblings from another 'cousin' who's line diverges from mine at Alexander * He has far more info if that is your line. Does any of this connect to you? Peggy in New Hampshire

Hi List Tom Paul writes : >I think my great-great-grandfather, Rupert PAUL married Ann TAYLOR in 1843 > in Muthill. There is another Rupert PAUL/Ann TAYLOR marriage 11 days later > in Barony, Lanark. Did couples register their marriage in both the bride's > and groom's parish? Where bride and groom came from separate Parishes the marriage was usually Proclaimed (the Scots equivalent of Banns) in both Parishes and the marriage usually took place in the Brides Parish. This still applies in these enlightened times; as for my own marriage back in 1974. The only way to check for sure, pre 1855, is to have a look at the actual OPR entries. Of course, if you know where they both came, from you could make an educated guess. Of course he/she could have been "working" in Glaschu at the time. Best Wishes Les -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

What you are probably seeing is proclamations of marriage in two Parishes, because the couple did not live in the same Parish. The LDS did not distinguish between marriages and listing, procalamtions and pledging, hence the two entries. As aesult, the IGI is only a rough an inaccurate guide which should be checked against the orig transcribed record in the OPR's. Probably neither is a marriage date. Dave Stirling

Bob I have looked up the 1851 Census Indicies that I hold and this might be him: - Kinnaird Smaeton (but could be Smeaton) Book1 Schedule No. 25 William 29 Perthshire Kinnaird Isobel 31 " Collace Robert 6 " " James 4 " " Thomas 2 " Kinnaird There are Smeaton families in: - Redgorton, Auchterarder, Dunblane, Findogask but no William's Regards Heather J